>get salary
>urge to spend it on a gravel bike becomes unbearable

>>2035712 (OP)
so a 90s cross country mountain bike

>spend my entire salary on my next bike
I make $150k a year and it's looking increasingly likely that's going to be necessary. I may even have to buy used. but crashing the economy is very important for "national security" or so I'm told

>>2035715
Perhaps it would be more prudent to spend your salary on ammunition?

>>2035712 (OP)
Just do it anon you wont regret it a single second. Modern carbon gravel machines with GRX Di2 are the goat. Make sure to set it up tubeless.
I think gravel bikes are the peak of the last 100 years of bikes.

>>2035713
Dont listen to this anon.

>>2035712 (OP)
They're fun af if you've actually got dirt roads or gravel roads near you. Otherwise it's just a slow road bike.

The wide 1x would prob make it fine to backpack with

>>2035717
That may be true as well. Ammo and precious metals are all that's going to be left of a once thriving nation, all those schizo preppers are finally going to be able to live the dream! Will they get laid though, that's the question that remains to be seen. Perhaps they can rape someone at gunpoint. I heard if it's legitimate rape the body has a way of shutting the whole thing down.

>>2035726
What if you put a road groupset on a gravel frame. Even most "endurance road bikes" still have far too aggressive geometry for the average person's taste, so people who aren't looking for that have to make do with a garbage barge meant for offroad use or carrying 70 pounds of camping gear. Or put 6 inches of spacers and a 45 degree 90mm riser stem. The problem with the discourse is that the people who gripe about "race-oriented products" have the most shit tier takes on what bikes normies actually want. Just because I don't want to be in the superman tuck doesn't mean I want downtube shifters and rim brakes and a fucking kick stand. Why can't I have a lightweight modern bike optimized for roads that lets me ride more upright most of the time.

>>2035713
>UURRMMM ACUTUALLY ITS NOT A GRAVEL BIKE ITS A "INSERT 50 Y/O TERM FOR BIKE"
yeah retard we all know that, but we are smart enough to realize bikes are a commercial product and gimmicks sell, so fads and marketing shit come and go

so thats why when I want a dropbar bike that is comfortable and can be used for light touring and easy offroad I look at gravel bikes

>>2035712 (OP)
>gravel bike
A thicker road bike with chunkier tires? So just a regular bike? Like the kinds you see at Walmart?

>>2035730
>Why can't I have a lightweight modern bike optimized for roads that lets me ride more upright most of the time.

>>2035751
NO THAT LOOKS BAD I NEED PROGRESIVE GEMOMETRY AND ALT BARS

>>2035730
>optimized for roads
What exactly does that mean to you? And how does it differ from modern hybrids?

>>2035753
This but unironically

>>2035758
If you can get over the little voice in your head saying anything nice is a "fag bike for tryhards" you should try a decent real bike and decide for yourself

>>2035712 (OP)
I advise sleeping a day or two on larger purchases to confirm if it's really a "good" idea or not.
My ritchey swiss cross is an awesome bike, yes it's cross not gravel but I could totally see riding one. Especially around here, but I have vintage XC(2009,2011) bikes that are close enough.
>>2035773
No, I don't want 65 degree head angle on a road bike with a wheelbase longer then a rivendell.

>>2035730
>Why can't I have a lightweight modern bike optimized for roads that lets me ride more upright most of the time.

Just build one up yourself? Ever looked at the surly ghost grappler frame or stuff like that? You literally can criss cross bike parts and build exactly the bike you want.
Get a nice carbon hardtail frame and put dropbars on with 700c 40c tires and have a blast if you want to have a relaxed geometry that is offroad capable.

just want a marin four corners 2...

>>2035795
>Just build one up yourself
oh yeah sure just pay full retail for every single part why didn't I think of that cost-saving technique
>surly
you could get a better frame by dredging the nearest canal with a boat anchor
>40mm
why would I want that?
>that is offroad capable.
why would I want that?
>>2035794
if you want to ride around on a 405mm chainstay there's no shortage of options catering to your weird fetish

>>2035810
You're a peachy cunt arent you

>>2035810
>oh yeah sure just pay full retail for every single part
You can buy used parts?
Even if you buy every single part brand new and get a Di2 or something with carbon where ever you look you'll only end up at around 5k.
A decent bike with midrange components around 2-3k.
I dont think thats a lot of money. I mean your bike would be completely custom and would serve you for years to come.
The surly was just an example of a frame and how you could build it up.

>>2035712 (OP)

It took so little time from freds to go from "doesn't have tiny cogs=shit" to "doesn't have monstrously huge cogs=shit"

>>2035821
Are you that guy who goes "but you can just buy different cranks" when people bitch about bikes coming with ridiculous crank sizes?

I should think it would go without saying that when someone is griping about something autistic related to geometry/parts combos they're not saying the bike is literally impossible to create via DHL/fedex/amazon, but that the bike isn't preconfigured that way

Even unracers, as insufferable and delusional as they can be, don't claim that slow ass bikes aren't a thing. Just that they want their favorite kind of bike to be the default bike that every shop pushes aggressively and every manufacturer puts on clearance once a year for 35% off

Like obviously I can buy the NIB gravel frameset on facebook marketplace and the tools to face the BB shell and headtube and maybe sell the fork for something more to my taste, and then I like it except for this short list of things I couldn't get around, obviously I can buy a full build that is "mostly correct" and sell half the parts on ebay (I already do that with any bike), the issue here is how many steps you have to take before the bike is "mostly optimal"

>>2035859
No im not that guy.
>Just that they want their favorite kind of bike to be the default bike that every shop pushes
My local bike shops have tons of fucking stupid trekking and nanny bikes. Its like 70% of normie tier unracer shit and maybe 20% of MTB and 10% roadbikes.
I dont get him, as i see it the normie trekking bike IS the default bike.
>the issue here is how many steps you have to take before the bike is "mostly optimal"
I personally enjoy the process of building something up and tinker around till its perfect. I mean i even need to ride around for 2 weeks till i change my stem for a 2cm shorter/longer one.

>>2035859
an ultegra crankset is the same price as a decent set of tires

>>2035891
>it's ok if I shove 175mm cranks down your throat for no reason because "an ultegra crankset is the same price as a decent set of tires"

>>2035796
So 8 corners...

>>2035810
Have you ever actually built up a bike from retail parts? The redditors you borrowed your opinion from never have

>>2035730
>Why can't I have a lightweight modern bike optimized for roads that lets me ride more upright most of the time.
literally domane and synapse and they sell like hotcakes>>2035888
>Its like 70% of normie tier unracer shit and maybe 20% of MTB and 10% roadbikes
trips of truth

For me, it's the G Line

>>2036183
Now where’s the picture of it folded up and allowing you to buy a $2 train ticket

>>2036186
It's pretty comfy desu, less bumpy than the OG one.

I got my first graveller a month ago, and I miss MTB tyres already. Gonna see if I can fit 45mm knobbies on this thing.

i hope the gravel trend dies so i can buy one cheap

I predict the next big evolution will be flat bar gravel bikes, and then clearances for big tires to make it more like an ATB, and in a roundabout way we will finally arrive at rigid 29ers, which were the optimal choice for 95% of casual riders from the start.

>>2035712 (OP)
One gravel bike isn't enough, you need four, one for light gravel, one for medium, one heavy, and one for wet gravel.

>>2036359
and a set of road tires to get you to the gravel parts. you can also use your Ford F500 for that.

>>2035724
>carbon
>Di2
>tubeless
Ahahahaha.
I'm about to buy taiwanese custom steel. And put 3x10 mechanical groupset on it. The only marketing crap that the Jews tricked me into was disc brakes. And since they don't produce normal 3x shifters for hydraulics, I'll have to buy overpriced gevenalle.
>>2035859
>bikes coming with ridiculous crank sizes
Which never happens IRL.

>>2035894
How do I know you're a gnome?
>>2036346
This.

>>2035712 (OP)
The trick is to already own a gravel bike.

>>2036351
Damn what frame ist that? Its exactly what i plan to build up but with a karate monkey frameset. 29 rigid bikes are quite a rarity here

>>2036361
2x9 is superior

>>2036361
>taiwanese custom steel
tell me more about this. I'm looking for nice steel frameset

>>2036351
When I was around 14yo I had an ATB and it was great. The frame was too big for me, I forgot the brand but it was old and obscure, yellow and red, and made of Columbus steel, 27x1-5/8 wheels, and a 2x5 drivetrain, it had the All-Terrain Bike on the top tube. I didn't know the yard sale special I had was something special, I don't remember what happened to that bike

OP here
I folded and I bought one

>>2036443
The madlad actually did it.
Why is the saddle that low? Are you small? Try slamming the stem for a more sporty fit.

>>2036443

post feet :3

>>2036449
its a large size, I havent dialed it in yet
>>2036450
o-okay

>>2036491

These aren’t feet of a 1,60m petite chick, bummer. Thanks for posting anyways.

>>2036427
Sklar PBJ.
Looks pretty long and low for a supposed "all day comfort" frame desu.
And where are you where you can't get a rigid 29er frameset?

hey /n/ should I get a chechpoint or SL5 gen 3 domane? :3

In all likelihood my next main bike will be an allroad bike (ADHX/Alpe d'Huez X) flexible enough to do road and mild gravel with simple wheel swap. I probably might be too precious with it (also I prefer Time pedals and not keen on putting SPDs on it) though. In all likelihood I'll just optimize the 90s MTB dropbar frankenbike I'm currently commuting on to be more of a fun party-pace off-roader.

>>2036449
>slammed stem
mental illness
even the pros run a couple spacers. The most performant position is not going to be an hypothetical hyper aero optimized one but the one you can comfortably maintain with aero posture in the real world. Saddle does look a bit low give the amount of top tube slope but as anon said it's a new bike and just dialing it in. No idea how wild he's getting on it, lower saddle could make sense on more technical descents at speed.

>>2037580
>even the pros run a couple spacers
a few pros, and a lot of the time they're sizing down anyway. of course you have your van schips and so on but that's a whole nother thing.
agree with the larger point though.

>>2037580
>flexible enough to do road and mild gravel with simple wheel swap
You don't need different wheels for mild gravel. Just slap on something like the slick Gravelkings or G-One speed. You really don't need more tread for packed gravel.

>>2036168
Why do you ask? If I buy all the parts at the prices they're selling for, will I get a secret refund from my credit card company as long as I express the correct 4chan-approved opinions on the other secret club that this secret club is at war with?

order one from bikes direct and build it yourself. the concept of expensive gravel bikes is idiot. behead all dentists and stop giving money to the companies charging dentistry prices for utilitarian bikes

>>2036443
>tan walled tires

nice

>>2035724
>carbon
>gravel

in my country there is problem

>>2037651
to be honest I would be ashamed to walk into the fred cafe after putting a motobecane in the rack, at a bare minimum there needs to be a UCI sticker. not that I race, or ever will race, but it's important that people understand that I could participate and possibly not even come in last place, if I applied myself

>>2037654
>to be honest I would be ashamed to walk into the fred cafe after putting a motobecane in the rack

who cares what a fred thinks? scare the hoes. i wouldn't want to be chums with somebody who is offended by a value oriented bike you put together yourself. that's not the kind of company i want

>>2037654
also let's be real; nobody who is judging you for the bike you ride is winning any competitions. that's purely the realm of behavior of dentistry

>>2037655
>>2037656
there are ways to be value oriented without bikes direct though. and of course nobody is winning competitions. but like me, they *could* and that's important. freds are the most oppressed race on earth and I enjoy the sense of belonging

>>2037658
>there are ways to be value oriented without bikes direct though

not really! your only real unused options under $1000 from a brick and mortar are going to be hybrids targeted at people who just want a bike shaped object. you can get reasonable quality hybrids starting at around $500 but if you're looking for anything with a road bike geometry or that will survive a trail you're looking at $1000 minimum because you aren't the mass market cyclist companies are going to offer lower priced options for. i bought a mercier from bikesdirect specifically because it was the only way i could get a road bike with an aluminum frame under $500. the used market wound up not being an option for me because i'm on the shorter end of the spectrum and you just can't find smaller adult sized 90s and early 2000s aluminum frame bikes secondhand where i live. they aren't old enough yet that people are dumping them on the market while clearing out their garage like you see with pre-90s steel frame bikes. hopefully that will change in the coming years but for now the stock of 90s to 2000s aluminum frame road bikes are rotting forgotten about in garages. you may well have more luck if you're looking for something more like a mountain bike, though

>>2037686
the obvious caveat to that is that if you don't mind a steel frame, it's stupid easy and cheap to get pre-90s stuff second hand

>>2036443
godspeed anon. Looks nice and I see it has reasonably parts for a solid ride.

OP here, did about 200km so far, and its pretty fun, much faster on road than my hardtail, and about 70% as fun offroad
>>2036449
>>2037580
I am still running same seat height, just tilted seat a bit downwards, so far its okay but I have only done 20km rides on it so far
>>2037652
yeah, I think a darker shade will be better though
>>2037686
my bike cost $775
>>2037689
thanks, its fun

>>2037694
How tall are you? The top tube in a large is 57cm so that’s pretty long for someone below 180cm. Usually tilting a saddle forward is a response to feeling stretched out.

>>2037694
When you want try and tilt the saddle level. When it's nose low you put more force in your hands, shoulders, triceps, and even upper back since your pelvis isn't holding you up as well.
Sometimes nose down saddle can be from it being too high, but that's noticeable by only riding at the front of the saddle, not the wide part.

As long as you like the fit that's all that matters. Current fit makes me think you have shorter legs, long torso, and average arm length.

>>2037686
>your only real unused option sunder $1000 from
>whole tl;dr list of your other absurd requirements
your requirements are not my requirements

>>2037710
>absurd requirements

what, an aluminum frame? or a road bike geometry? not really

>>2037714
it's less about one specific checklist item but rather the apparent non-negotiability of the entire set

>>2037699
my fucking balls hurt when the saddle was level, especially on the drops
>>2037701
read above

the saddle is a bit higher than the handlebars, I dont see why u guys think my fit is fucked, on my hardtail I run a slightly titled down seat as well, but its got a shorter saddle overall (240mm vs 275mm)

>>2037717
saddles with a cutout can help that

>>2037717
orchi can help that

>>2035712 (OP)
>tfw want to get a 3rd bike
>one more gravel bike
>or a mini velo

>>2037779
you're not getting a mini velo. no one is ever getting a mini velo. getting a mini velo is the "moving to canada" of bike purchases. it's not that it's impossible, it's that you don't want it enough to make it happen. you just like the idea of saying you want it.

>>2037779
Why on earth would you need another gravel bike
And why on earth would you need a mini velo unless you live in Japan

>>2037779
>is grabel
>is minier than mini belo

Are there any steel gravel/adventure/light touring bikes with this kind of fork but without the old school horizontal TT geometry?

Brodie, Kona, Rocky mountain, Off Road Toad, Roberts, Overburys, Scapin, Sonic, Swallow, Zinn...
All these manufacturers made quality steel framed bikes with lovely raked forks from the mid 80s to the mid 90s. These bikes can be found all over the place for not a lot of money, as can replacement parts. In fact you could pick up a shitter, invest in a low mileage group and p[ay someone to repaint and rebuild the bike to your own specs and it would still cost you less than a shitty mass produced plastic grabbelatrd bike from today.

And it would be infinitely better to ride.

>>2038087
>And it would be infinitely better to ride.
And this is where you're completely wrong.

>>2038088
I'm really not.
Picrel cost under £300, including fresh rubber and new cables etc. Bomb proof parts, lovely soft ride, fast enough without compromising comfort. And for those consoomer types who really want to stand out as an individual but buy mass produced slop because the marketing tricked them, you will never see another one of these. But that's not the point, point is it's cheap and reliable and fun and put no money into the pockets of any corporations.

And that's the kicker, that's why they hate people like us who buy better for less and do it outside of their ringfenced economic model.

>>2038089
>£300 for a shitter with V brakes and QR
...holy shit
i kneel....

>>2038094
missed his point entirely.
>I need discs and thru axles because I just do, ok? must... consooooooooom.

because nobody between 1980s - 2000s ever had reliable and fun times on an off-road bike .
anyway, those are cantilever brakes

>>2038089
Get off your high horse. Even if you did in fact buy a great bike for cheap you need to remember that most people lack the knowledge to reliably scope out 30 years old used bikes you can't find any information on and which aren't complete junk or a total misfit. The less you know what you're doing the riskier buying used becomes, and at some point there's such a bad risk reward ratio that buying new and pricier but getting all the relevant information and assistance is actually the better choice. You seem to love selling the idea that the world is full of beautiful, well riding old bikes in great condition that are just ripe for the picking, but the reality of the situation is that the used market is an absolute ocean of junk and crap with the odd gem hidden somewhere in the middle between a thousand turds.

Also cantis are the biggest dog shit, you fucking hipster.

>>2038000
Folding bikes are a subset of mini velos.
Except for those weird 16 inch folders

>>2038107
>im such a smart boy buying a 30 year old bike instead of a 5 year old used one
>i like old retarded components and I love material stress fatigue
for £100-150 more you can easily get a 3-5 year old bike with much better components, kys hipster fuck

>>2038089
Cool have fun with your 13kg steel shitter and trash tires.
>because the marketing tricked them
What is tricking me exactly if a trail oriented mtb with modern parts, dropper post and lovely disc brakes is 10x faster and more fun than any 80s-90s 26 inch MTB?
I guess you can argue about old road bikes but i dont wanna miss my 2x12 drivetrain anymore.

>>2038149
I doubt that bike weighs much more than 11.5 kg, it looks like it's badged as Reynolds 853 tubing.

Bit even13kg isn't heavy for a bike, people think cheap chinese carbon fibers suspended in plastic polymer resin is a proper material when we all know nobody is going to be hunting for 30 year old plastic bikes in the future.

Good new bikes are cool too, but there was definitely a golden age in the 80s and 90s when quality steel with fillet brazing was standard for some manufacturers. and even mass produced consumer bikes came with decent chromoly even at the lower tiers. Whereas now the same quality costs thousands just for the frame, if you can find someone who does it.

I hate to break it to people but steel is the best material for a bike that is intended for heavy usage, whether its daily commuting, hard trail riding or occasional long distance touring, if the bike is going to receive punishment steel is real.
Aluminium is OK but lasts nowhere near as long, it's dead feeling makes it uncomfortable and once it breaks repairs are pretty much impossible or cost more than a new bike. Titanium is also great, much better than aluminium, lighter and comfier than steel but not as robust or reparable. Carbon, as we all know is a meme, although great for single use pro racing.

Weight is only a serious consideration for pro racers who get everything supplied for them and for whom every millisecond genuinely means life and death, the weak and the unfit.

Only unfit weaklings use weight as a metric for measuring the quality of a bicycle.

>>2038089
Serious question, are you baiting or simply retarded?

>>2038094
>V brakes

>>2038087
Post more hybrids.

This is now a bike questions general.

Should I go rigid for hardtail for this mountain bike I'm building with a chink frame from ali express? I'm mostly using this as a chance to learn how to build a bike from the ground up so the frame being chinesium is not an issue for me.

>>2038238
>rigid for hardtail
what? you mean no front suspension fork? thats stupid
or do you mean go for hardtail instead of full suspension? then go hardtail

just build a gravel bike, thats the only real awsner desu

>>2038238
>frame being chinesium is not an issue for me
probably will be an issue when nothing fits right

Convince me not to get the 2025 Giant Revolt Advanced 0 in color "Prismatic Haze". Full GRX 820 groupset,

>>2038264
why the fuck are you looking for a mechanical groupset at that pricepoint?
you can get a '24 model with SRAM etap for the same price

>>2038265
I don't know. Seems good

>>2038264
Go for it. I've had the MY22 version of that bike (basically the same except with external cable routing) for a few years now and love it. Mechanical GRX is fine and you can easily upgrade to GRX Di2 in the future if you want to by changing just the shifters and derailers.

>>2038271
I'm upgrading from a hybrid bike so don't know if I should go for the Advanced 2 or all in on the 0 lel

>>2038272
If you can afford it I'd go for any model with carbon wheels. That's the biggest upgrade over the cheaper models since the frames are all the same, and drivetrain upgrades are easy to do in the future if you want to.

>>2038274
I'm not saying bontrager garbon weels aren't good, because I know they are, but you can buy wheels pretty easily though now that the Trump Collapse is happening who knows how long that's going to continue to be true. then again you should probably be saving your money for food which is going to be scarce

>>2035730
>Perhaps they can rape someone at gunpoint. I heard if it's legitimate rape the body has a way of shutting the whole thing down.
Comments like this are why i come here instead of bikeforums

>>2038241
We'll see lol
>>2038240
>what? you mean no front suspension fork? thats stupid
I heard you sacrifice speed due to the suspension soaking up your pedal strokes. There was a more formal sounding term but I forget lol. I'll probably go with whatever is cheaper ngl.

>>2038378
I started writing a long response, but then I figured you are stupid and its not worth it
maybe next time learn english, write your question properly and respond the same way

>>2038386
Yeah mad

gravel is fun

>>2038490
wut bike?

>>2038545
giant revolt 1

really want a giant revolt advanced 2 but $2,800 is a lot and some say the wheels are absolute shit

>>2038238
Your first question is really; is the frame suspension corrected and how much travel will it accommodate. That will determine if you can even use a suspension fork and what ones you can use.

The 2nd question is use case. Your comment about suspension eating your power is kind of true, if you don't lock out the front suspension it's absorbing some of your forward momentum. However if you are riding surfaces that you want suspension for then that's a no brainer. If you are riding reasonably easy gravel roads, dirt paths, rail trail, and pavement then I wouldn't bother with suspension because you'd rarely if ever see a benefit. If those are the surfaces you plan to ride with it, you will do fine as long as you can fit decently wide tires. The bike components are a tool, match the tool to the job. If you don't need or want to ride rougher surface, I wouldn't bother with suspension.

If you actually care about going fast on gravel, this would not really be a question at all and likely you are already barking up the wrong tree using an MTB frame unless the goal is effectively a drop bar MTB.

>>2038553
what kind of wheels were you expecting on a $2800 bike though

>>2038567
I'm a poorfag so I'd expect them to be decent. Maybe they are

>>2038589
I'm sure they're fine. probably not great. pretty much any alloy wheel with a generic hub is going to compare unfavorably with a name brand $1500+ wheelset but almost nobody specs premium wheels on a bike at that price level. canyon is probably the most wheelmaxxed brand in that they will put quite nice wheels on even 105-level builds. but that's becoming less meaningful as 105 has gotten to be a rich man's groupset, and canyon also cuts corners where you're probably not looking, like swapping out a lower spec hub on a higher spec wheel at the factory level

>>2038110
a well adjusted deore canti > a quality v-brake with coolstops and compressionless housing

>>2038564
>drop bar mtb
I didn't even think about drop bars but I may put one on the bike. I can always swap them for another type if I don't like them. Where I live the roads are fine enough and I rarely go offroad so I think I'll take your advice and go rigid for the front fork.

>>2038763
>and I rarely go offroad
then maybe go for a road bike? I know its a scretch but if you dont go offroad you dont build a mountain bike....
dumb fucking weeb

one thing I like about this trend is the total suspension forks death
one thing I hate about this trend is that somehow it's premium priced to not have suspension

>>2038771
I like mtb bikes also the frame has already been ordered. No going back now

planning to get a norco search with 105 and carbon fork today for 875 CAD, good choice? owner seems like he's kept it well maintained

>>2038772
not really, when you compare gravel vs hardtails with similar quality wheels/drivetrain/frame they are pretty similar in price, full sus is even more, though obvsly BMC and sir velo charge crazy prices for gravel as they charge crazy prices for anything

>>2039156
>not really, when you compare gravel vs hardtails with similar quality wheels/drivetrain/frame they are pretty similar in price
uhh, yeah that's exactly his point. they're the same price, but one has a $2-300 sus fork and the other has a rigid fork. so why are they the same price?

>>2039160
Because they prob have drop bars and maybe a carbon fork which will even out the price of the suspension fork.

>>2038890
Bike bros what would you choose: any gravel bike you want, for free, and any time you feel like it, you can stop whatever you're doing without consequences and ride it until you're bored, and nobody is allowed to say shit not your boss not the bank to whom you owe money or not even the cops? or you can turn yourself into a cute oriental girl any time you feel like it and nobody judges you, but you have to arrange a bike on your own time and money?

>>2039165
Gravel bike to rob parts off to use on flip bikes for money

I want a crux but they are expensive and I don't like sram

>>2039286
Then what about the crux is it that you want over other bikes?

STEEL IS REAL BAYBEE

>went for ride, felt stronger than usual
>short but rocky trail section coming up
>fuck it go hard, I don’t wanna lose my good tempo
>slam into pointy rock under leaves and manage to dent BOTH rims
>fug

Somehow I avoided crashing or even a puncture and rode home without problem, but the rear wheel doesn’t hold air very good.

Gonna remove the tires and properly assess tomorrow and hopefully there’s no crack and I can bend them back into shape.

I really should’ve just slow crawled the gnarly stuff and accept that I don’t have the right bike or the right skills to send it like that.

>>2039290
>weighs 7kg
>has clearance for 2.1” mountainbike tires

>>2039314
No cracks, dent as good as gone and wheel still runs true. Looks breddy gud

>>2039366
Not bad, did you use a rim bending tool? I dent my wheel like that and couldn't get it as good but i don't have the "proper" rim repair tools, so i only used adjustable wrench and channelocks

>>2039367
Adjustable wrench and hard straight surface to bend it against

>>2039370
That's a good idea, I should've used a straight edge with the adjustable wrench

>>2037989
>>2037999
I live in Asia. Easy storage and I want to look like a dork being 181cm.

so I've been wondering what the fuck I want in a bike and want some input
>have a hard tail I'm using as a commuter
>want to be able to do road riding as well as gravel and dirt trails (not downhill)
>don't have the money for a brand new gravel bike, which are the only type I'd want as you can get a proper tire clearance (50mm+)
>do have money for a used XC or road bike with tire clearance around 38
>do I wait to get a big boy gravel bike (kona sutra LTD, giant revolt etc.) or do I buy a used XC/road bike as my road/gravel/fire road bike and outfit my hardtail as an XC bike with 2.1" tires for the harder stuff

>>2039758
Just buy a road bike for commuting you can get a pretty nice bike for practically nothing also don't obsess about wide tires 28s are fine in most circumstances and you'll still be able to fit mudguards

>>2039953
28s are fine for the road and super packed gravel, I wouldn't want to go on anything else with them if I valued the nerves in my arms and my ass. but yeah if I just planned to have a road bike that's fine, though the problem is the XC MTB is perfect for rough trails and single track but for long distance groomed dirt or gravel it will be pretty tiring and the road bike will be non ideal, but you gotta make a compromise I guess if you aren't rich

>>2035712 (OP)

I caved in. I do not even like biking around, I am just a very fast commuter.

>>2040091
fix the handlebars wtf

>>2040093
what's wrong with them? The photo is taken at an angle

>>2040094
they are pointed towards the ground, they should be level or slightly downwards, look at the other bikes in this thread

>>2040091
Rip your wrists anon

>>2040095
>>2040107
ok fixed it. The whole handlebar was tilting downwards too much. Thanks for the help, it is my first "serious" bike. I daily drived this everyday to and back from work for like three months now.

>>2040091
Kek that happened to my 1st bike. Had the bolts too loose and rotated the bars down on a stop to turn around and head back. I had to do the return leg with them like that. Was a really weird ride.

I always thought my first "better" bike should be a mountain bike but this thread is making me want to consider a gravel bike

>>2040124
anon, do you even know about the "hoods" position? It's the main hand position for that type of bar.

>>2036361
2x12 is superior and that way you can get hydraulic braking for a reasonable price.

>>2035741
The problem with Walmart bikes are heavier, cheaper frames, and half the time they're assembled incorrectly.

That being said, most of them are still good if you're in college or larp as one. The typical "gravel bike" (used to call them "mountain bikes") is still more useful than city bikes. Sure you don't get that extra speed boost but it's better suited for the reality that you'll be bicycling on more than perfectly flat road with no bumps, grass, objects, or anything that spindly little tire can catch on.

>>2042136
MTB is only if you want to hit up single track or downhill and you have access to it. maybe XC MTB if you plan to do serious offroad bikepacking. but for distance, endurance and speed a gravel bike is gonna be way better

>>2042136
You are getting memed on. You want a front suspension gravel bike.

*flies by*

I took my CTY out grabbelin today. It did not go well. I felt the small rocks constantly, in my wrist and palms, and the large ones made the tires wobbleor even stop. Fell once and almost fell a lot.

What upgrades can I do to remedy this? The CTY cannot use super thick boy tires.

>>2042262
thicker tires, tubeless to run lower pressure, carbon wheels/fork git gud

>>2042270
retarded dentist cant read and just automatically throws money at the situation

>>2042274
>What upgrades can I do to remedy this?

>>2042274
holy fuck, learn to read

>>2042253

anyone have experience with this 248 dollar walmart bike? I am heavily considering it.

>>2042895
I recently bought a cheap single-gear cruiser from Walmart because they were on sale and so far there's nothing ergregiously wrong with it, build was solid and it rides about as well as you'd expect from a single-gear cruiser. I can't really say for certain how much your results will vary with a multi-gear gravel beater though. I've heard stories that the assembly quality of Walmart bikes could vary based on who happened to be building and supervising the build that day but honestly it's pretty silly to not expect at least some level of tuning yourself when bringing any bike home, Walmart or otherwise, but as long as all the bolts are in the right places and tightened you should be good to go.

buying used on Facebook marketplace>Walmart

>>2042895
no experience but when I look at it the quality seems comparable to and the spec higher than my almost 10 yo daily which cost a bit over 700€ back then.
It's incredibly hard to get something as simple as a bicycle wrong.

>>2042895
for the price it looks okay, but if you are serious about gravel get hydraulic brakes

>>2042895
This is the bike equivalent of a disposable camera. If you're just looking to snap a simple picture or go for a simple ride, and aren't fussed about the end results, there's a place for these things and it might be exactly what you're looking for. Sometimes cheap and simple is fine if you're just looking to try out an activity with a minimum of expense. If that's where you're at, then the opinions of bike/camera geeks about the technical merits/limitations of these things aren't relevant to your decision.

>>2042908
>if you are serious about gravel

>>2042137
of course. I just did not find it that uncomfortable, that's all

>>2042946
>I just did not find it that uncomfortable

>>2042946

>>2042961
I can see it, this position with the drops could be cruiser-like if you have long enough arms

Chink frame anon here. I built the bike. It rolls and shifts gears. The frame and fork were from ali express and most of the other parts came from ebay with the exception of the wheels inner tube tyres and shifters. Also the brake rotors and calipers. The crankset was an amazon chinese special that included a bottom bracket.

The gearing feels too easy so I'll likely swap the frknt chainring for a larger one in the future but for now I like it. The fork brand is apparently not the higheat qualuty but I'm not hitting mtb jumps so it is what it is.
>pic rel(red and black is the china special. the green is the shitbike I bought from sportspower years ago)

>>2043048
so how much did you spend? how much savings was it to build rather than buy the equivalent?

>>2043106
$1500 aus so about $970 usd. And that was with me accidentally ordering the wrong size cassette for the rear wheel(it didn't list the cassette size compatible with the rear wheel so I guessed 7 and it ended up being 8) and piercing two innertubes using garbage tyre levers(hence the scratches on the wheel if you look close). So I ended up having two buy two new ones and I just used my hands to put them on instead. So I probably could have saved around 100 dollars if I didn't make those mistakes.

Even with all that I've seen hardtails in my country that are close to 800 aus dollars so I didn't save money. But imo cause I built it if anything goes wrong I can fix it. It is a cope but I don't think it's wrong either. Since I live in an area without a bike shop I am basically my own mechanic so the value for me is worth it. In the future though I'm gonna just buy a used bike and replace anything broken tho lol.

>>2042961
Anything is possible when you believe

I resisted the urge for a long time but I just moved next to this and now I may give in

>>2038077
There's custom frames available that you can build up. Don't know if you're going to find what you want pre built, most people who like horizontal tt classic geo are also into cantis, not discs

>>2042916
I hate this meme. Yes walmart bikes are cheap shit. No they're not going to fall apart right away. If you set them up right and maintain them they can last for years, easily long enough for you to get bored and buy something nicer

>>2043218
looks like texas

>>2043262
damn that must be the only reason to live in texas besides buccees and bbq.

I'm looking to buy my first gravel bike, budget around 1k. I want to do longer tours with it, my current trekking bike is 10 years old and weighs 20 kg so im looking for something lighter

Options i scouted so far
Cannondale Topstone 1
>1600km driven
>10.3kg
>1500 €
Stevens Supreme
>200km driven, basically new
>with bike rack, lights etc
>11.6kg
>1100 €
Scott Speedster Gravel 30
>800km driven
>10.5kg
>1300 €

Not really sure what to look for really, i heard the shimano grx is good to have which all of them do. Usually i prefer buying premium things in good condition from 5 years ago that used to cost a lot of money rather than "mid tier" but new. Im kind of drawn to the Cannondale but would have to install some modifications like a back rack and lights, what do you think? Also whats your favorite bike company? I heard Koga is good, should i look for a used gravelike by them?

>>2043301
Heres the Stevens, apparently a german company and good accessoires. However i never heard of them before, are they respected?

>>2043302
And the scott speedster gravel 30

>>2043301
none of these look like good deals
get something with hydro discs and thru axle
or a carbon canyon grizl

look up rose bikes

>>2043312
canyon is about to go under though, RIP your warranty

>>2043312
Thanks, the Cannondale and Scott do have hydro discs and thru axles though? Is it still a bad deal? I figure i can hassle them down by a couple hundred
>https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/gravel/topstone-alloy/topstone-1

>>2043321
I know they have hydro and thru axles, but I feel like you can get one for like 800 euros, not 1300

look at used cube nuroad pro / race

You literally need an mtb. you need a suspension fork. better yet full suspension. what if there’s a pothole

>>2043326
Then I'll just stop and start to cry

>>2043301
Buy a used road bike and put knobby tyres on it. I'm sure there are other differences with purpose built gravel bikes but at their core they're offroad capable road bikes. The purpose of the bike is what it does. Not what the marketing says it does.

>>2043328
I'll consider it, the world of racebikes is even bigger though and i might get lost. Can you recommend some good ones? It definitely cant have rim brakes if i want to fit bigger tyres

>>2043325
Found this cube cross race pro for 850 € and it even has a bike rack

>>2043301
General advice, assuming you find the right size frame, my personal priorities would be:

>tyre clearance
Big tires is the biggest comfort upgrade on long rides and also inspires confidence when going fast over gnarly stuff

>non proprietary components
Aero seatposts and bar/stem combos be damned. Cable routing through headset is pig disgusting

>gear range
For a gravel bike, go lower than you normally would. Significantly lower if you’ll be climbing with a fully packed rig.

>brakes
They just have to work. No need to splurge, imo. Even entry level hydro discs are good.

>weight
A super heavy bike is no fun, but if you’re gonna have a lot of bags and extra equipment for long rides it matters much less. Around 11kg for a naked bike is what I’d consider good enough.

>group set
Doesn’t matter if it’s 1x13, 2x10 or anything else. High end stuff offers almost nothing for anyone that’s not a racer ready to spend big in order to save a few grams or watts.

If the goal is long rides or bikepacking, I’d rather spend less on the bike and more on bags, lights and other equipment

>>2043335
Thanks, appreciate the help

>>2043334
its old
I found a cube nuroad race fe (fully equipped - dynamo, fenders, rack) from this year for 1150 euros
carbon pro 1600 euros
normal pro 700 euros thats like 2 years old

>>2043328
most disc road bikes will only take 32c tires and you will get toe overlap becuase of the shorter wheelbase

>>2043341
Toe overlap is a non issue unless you are going down some super technical rocky section, which you aren’t on a gravel bike or similar bike

>>2043343
i hit my toe on the front wheel on a daily basis

>>2043350
and do you fall off because of it?
i dont. hardly ever happens anyway, happened more with flats, since getting clipless it hasn’t even happened and i dont know if its because they literally dont hit anymore (have not checked) or if i just haven’t been riding stupid as fuck

>>2043328
I've been looking for road bike tyres with knobs on them for 10 min now. I can't find one. Closest I found was an all terrain 33c tyre that would likely be too wide for a disc bake road bike. Bros...the roadbike knobby dream is over

>>2043355
They are everywhere man there are plenty of gravel tires that would fit, cyclocross exists.

>>2043363
Ty

The main point of wide tires is traction through contact, so unless you’re gonna ride much in aforementioned conditions you will have better options with a puncture resistant slick.

>>2043355
>>2043366

>>2035713
90s MTBs ride like fucking shit
the geos are completely different despite all the reddit copypasta

>>2042998
yea I used mostly the drops. I am 198 cm so I guess that it checks out.

>>2043436
Cantis suck, so do 26" wheels. A dropper would be nice. There's nothing wrong with the actual geometry, though. You probably had a wrong frame size.

BTW, you may have seen it there first but reddit just repeats what 4chan and/or conventional forums come up with. They are utterly incapable of producing jack shit, they just spread it.

>>2043262
It is, in the hill county

Lads I just bought a kona rove for 1299.00 us dollas. Did I fuck up? I don’t know shit about bikes

>>2043578
really depends on the build. hope you didn't fall for the cable dick scam

>>2043578
you bought a brand new bike with no discount or anything
you kinda fucked up

>>2043366
The 4mb limit and it's consequences have been a disaster for webm quality

>>2043581
Cable dick?

>>2039758
>>want to be able to do road riding as well as gravel and dirt trails (not downhill)
>>don't have the money for a brand new gravel bike, which are the only type I'd want as you can get a proper tire clearance (50mm+)

Kind of in the same boat, except I got a Muirwoods so I'm just gonna try putting comfier bars on as the bike actually can take wider tires and isn't that slow on the road. The longer the distance, the more I start thinking about drops, though.

I'm guessing your hardtail is a bit slower on the groomed stuff, I would probably save up. Bikes aren't that expensive, no point half-assing it.

>>2043581
>>2043583
https://konaworld.com/products/rove-ms?variant=49419624513831

This i what I got. They said it has the old style shifter which is better. They are all out of stock in 58 so i bought the one while they had it. there any worthwhile modifications ?

>>2043851
>cable dicks
oh no :(

>>2043851
>disk brakes for 1300 dolers
ayy lmao

yeah u fucked up son

>>2043851
Noice. I'm going to make my poverty bike into something similar with tubless 650b wheels and 2.2 MTB tires. I'm keeping the 34/50 chain ring for muh speed. I think by the time I put all my parts on I will have $600 into the bike and I got the bike on blowout clearance for $248. Had I paid full retail I will have what yours costs but still a Giordano (Kent) shitbike. I don't think you did too bad.

>>2043883
Hey fatanon, what the hell man. I cheered you on like two weeks ago. But ur still posting this same FUCKING pic. I thought you said u were using it for fitness. Worst of all you appear to be fucking driving your bike places in your fatrd 350 Super Cab Micropenis Machine instead of just RIDING. THE FUCKING. BIKE.


dont tell me i said good job and keep it up and good luck on the weight loss for nothing right? right?

>>2043874
>disk brakes
>bad
Total rimfag death

>>2043887
I rode the other day after work for about 10 miles. It was nice.

>>2043887
Yes I do drive a shartbarge 3000 as is our way. I drive it 40 miles round trip on a highway. The only time I commute by bike it to the nearest city where my mechanic is located to pick up a vehicle from him that I then drive home. I only do that because there isn't even Uber in the area and the only cab service wants $20 one way cash only.

>>2043894
I hate Americans

>>2043899
You don't hate enough. None of the kids in my small town ride bikes. I don't know when it happened but they all drive little power wheels like electric carts and scooters around. Little kids on balance bike transition to electric balance bikes while dad rides a dirt bike, golf cart or the riding lawn mower up and down the street as the kid follows. It's such a vehicle centric culture that a modern day kid's right of passage is to learn to drive the lawn mower. I got to watch bith of thr neighbor kids do this and every nice day they are out there driving it abpund the yar not mowing with the blades off. I guess its cheap entertainment but it seems deeply wrong. Every summer I see golf carts with people in them going around and chatting with neighbors and wonder to myself why they just don't ride a bike or walk and get some fitness in? A small town is literally a tiny walkable city and people refuse. Even on Halloween it's cars of kids being driven house to house. In America bikes are something you used to ride as a kid and maybe again as an adult on bike trails as a hobby and fitness. I think a lot of people skipped riding as kids so they never learned and have no desire to as adults which is why we have such an anti bike culture. Riding a bike veiwed as a childish or a poor person's transport unless it's mountain biking then it is somehow seen as cool.

>>2043899
Hope you are ready for American hate rage fuel.
>My wife and I were out for a drive recently and saw two boys pedaling their bicycles down the street. “That’s something you don’t see too often,” she said. “Kids riding bicycles. Usually, it’s adults.”

>I have several theories about why life today isn’t as magical as it was when I was a kid, including the absence of front porches and the presence of cellphones. Now my wife’s observation has caused me to add two more causes to the list — kids don’t ride bicycles like they used to, and adults ought to stay home instead of wearing funny clothes and clogging the street with their bicycles. They pass me on our country road when I’m out for a walk. I smile and say hello, but they press on with grim determination, never waving, never smiling, never responding, soldiers with their thousand-yard stare.

>When I was a kid, no self-respecting adult would be caught dead riding a bicycle. It was not uncommon to see grown-ups chasing after a bicycle, teaching their children to ride, but swinging their own legs over a bicycle and going for a ride was unheard of. My father would have walked naked down Main Street before looping our block on a bicycle. Only one adult in our town, Cowboy Landon, who was too poor to afford a car, rode a bicycle — a black Schwinn Speedster, circa 1966.

>“There goes Cowboy,” my mother would say when he pedaled past our house, her voice tinged with sympathy, pondering the circumstances that produced such a sorry situation.
>(1,2)

>>2043916
>When I returned to my hometown 21 years ago, I purchased a bicycle in a fit of nostalgia, but soon realized my mistake, hauled it up to our attic, and bought a motorcycle, something I should have done in the first place. But now I am reconsidering my contempt for adult cycling with the advent of the electric bicycle, a nifty little conveyance that propels its riders up hills, past snarling dogs, to arrive at their destination fresh as a daisy.

>My father would have walked naked down Main Street before looping our block on a bicycle.

>The electric bicycle has made me more proud to be an American than any politician ever will — it’s our ingenious talent for taking the purest, most efficient form of exercise known to humanity and strapping an engine to it. I get goose bumps just thinking about it.

>There are three hills between our house and town. Bicyclists huff and puff up them, arriving at Frank’s Place for a plate of spaghetti sweating and stinking. How much better it would be for smeller and smellee alike if the smellee had engaged an electric motor to power up the hills, pulled up to Frank’s with a whirling hum, disembarked, and then enjoyed a sweat-free lunch. Instead, awash in perspiration, they chain their bikes to the lamp post, as if the local populace can’t be trusted, and clomp into Frank’s, their fiberglass soles tapping on the tiles as if announcing their superiority.

Let me be clear, I rode bicycles as a young adult, for days at a time, 200 miles from home. But I wore blue jean cutoffs, T-shirts, and Converse tennis shoes, on a Schwinn Varsity, like a real American. If someone said hello to me, I by-golly said hi back, and would even stop and visit. If a car approached me from behind, I got my butt over to the side of the road and let them pass, like my mom and dad taught me.

how about be frugal, rack up as much cash as you can for the next three years then instead of buying a bunch of shit and havig no free time, take a year off work to ride lots of bikes

>>2043921
>take a year off work
You do that and you're going to be unemployed forever. No serious job is going to hire someone to was voluntarily unemployed for a year.

Germanon here, is this a good gravel bike? Fully equipped to meet the Straßenverkehrsordnung, 2x12 gears (shimano grx), thru axle, hydraulic disc brakes and just 11.5kg weight? seems like a good Preis-Leistungs-Verhältnis, no?

>>2044009
It's not a Schnäppchen, but Cube is generally really good, and 1.6k is what you have to pay for a bike like this.
Just don't drop that kind of dosh without test riding it thoroughly. It's not a Canyon after all.

>>2043891
>>2043894
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo Watch this
>>2043907
>>2043916
>>2043917
ok fatanon ill give you slack this time as I do like effortposting but next time I see you there better be some weight improvement. calories in calories out. every day. NO cheat days.

and you owe me at least 5 miles/day, that’s barely 30
minutes of riding

>>2044011
I've tried looking for a used one of these, but dudes want almost the same price despite being ridden for several years. Couldnt find anything under 1k for the race in my area, so might as well go with a new one i guess. will wait for a 100-200 € rabatt mayhaps

also general question, im 182cm and my current bike is size 57, but those bikes only have 56 or 58. would you rather go for the smaller or larger one?

>>2044022
Go for the smaller one, easier to add spacers to get the right fit

>>2044022
56, 57, 58, could mean anything, but do know that it doesn’t mean shit. Look for real geometry charts and do a proper comparison.
If you’re still between sizes after assessing the numbers, size down.

>>2044009
I found this deal for a BMC Urs Two, seems to be a Swiss company but the specs seem a bit worse than a Cube or Canyon, how come if the bike was more expensive? Is this related to the build quality? Is it really that good of a deal?

>>2044049
Basically im thinking about
>Cube Nuroad Race
>Canyon Grizl 5 or 7
>Radon Retard 8.0 or 9.0
>this BMC Urs Two
Which one would you pick?

>>2044009
×2? Sounds comfy

>>2044052
canyon is gonna go under, so rip warranty, but you could probably get a sick deal right now
seems like all are press fit BB
do you need a dynamo hub and fenders n shit?
the BMC looks coolest IMO

>>2044171
>canyon is gonna go under
[Citation needed]
Literally everyone around here rides either Triban if they're poor or Canyon of they aren't.

>>2044178
Well, they were bought out by an investment company and now keep haemorrhaging cash like crazy
does it mean they will go under? Maybe nigga hopefully they do ill buy some cheap canyons

>>2044184
Source in them hemorrhaging cash?
Their revenue grew by 37% last year and they paid out 10% in dividends. They're stronger than the market, so if they're about to go bankrupt then the entire industry is dying.

>>2044052
I heard parts are really hard to get for canyon as they use non standard sizes

>>2044569
I have a canyon endurace so I can somewhat comment on this even thoa it's just a road bike. The two parts that have given me trouble so far:

-TA skewers. There's that meme site that claims to have every TA skewer size in their database but they can't make sense of my canyon. Haven't checked in a while but that was a year or two ago. This could probably be solved if I cared enough but lack of aesthetically pleasing aero skewers is not a major quality of life issue for me just vanity and I'd rather spend my free time shitposting on 4chan and rejecting strangers on dating apps to make myself feel attractive

-Headset bearings. I forgot the deets already but at the time, I had to order them from a 3rd party in germany (canyon had none in stock) and I remember them being way more expensive than I thought headset bearings ought to cost (this wasn't some Chris Bling just generic cartridge bearings)

Derailleur hanger I expect to be proprietary like every other bike ever but maybe the newest models have that universal thing.

Everything else is just regular parts, but this is just an ordinary road bike, grabble probably has some extra stupid stuff like the biplane suspension aerocockpit thing, you can do your own research on that

>>2035751
You called?

>>2043874
>wheel goes out of true
>now your brakes rub agains the rim
Rim brake sisters...our response?

>>2044848
It's not bad because it has disc brakes.
It's bad cause it has mechanical disc brakes on a bike that costs $1300.

>>2044848
I have mech dick brakes and QR
In 1500km I have had brake rub twice, and fixed it in 2 minutes
it was an 800 doler bike tho

>have bad vibration with every pedal stroke in higher gears
>lube chain grease bottom bracket regrease pedal threads
>does nothing
>rewatch that berm peak video on deraileur adjustments
>mentions the b screw possibly causing the chain to bind if cranked too much
>loosen the screw
>vibration goes away
I may be retarded fr

>>2044848
turn the barrel until the pads don't rub anymore. get home and true the wheel. turn the barrel back where it was.

>>2045505
Retard anon here again. Turns out the chain was also too long so I have shortened it. Much less of a vibey feel at higher gears. Thanks for watching remember to like comment and subscribe

>>2038089
Based, looks great. I'm in the process of doing this to my old shitter.