A few years ago people starting referring to certain China wheelsets as not just "the best Chinese wheels" or "the best budget wheels" but simply "the best wheels". This year, Winspace released the T1600, a CDM (Chinese Domestic Market) product that costs more than a Madone or a Tarmac. It's UCI approved right out of the box (though you may need to tape some lead weights to it to get it to pass the weight restrictions). Western buyers need not apply, though they no doubt will try.

Western brands were folding right and left before the iron curtain 2.0 was raised, now the "tiro de gracia" has been fired and big companies like Trek are going to go bankrupt because their supply chains have been cut off by Import Substitution Industrialization, a popular third world development tactic pioneered by visionaries like Pinochet and Galtieri.

Is this the end of the western bike era? Will tomorrow's dentists settle for nothing less than Chinese bikes on 100% Chinese groupsets?

>>2039960 (OP)
Ok man but what's the best chinese carbon wheelset for rim brakes? It's like they're all leaving rim brakes for disc only

>>2040058
1985 version of this:
>if Japanese cars are so great, where's my Japanese Z28?

>>2040061
did some research, Winspace, Ican and Magene still does them. I didn't get your joke though, I just like rim brakes because I'm used to them and my rim brake frame is nowhere near outdated or past it (2016)

>>2040071
The point is rim brakes + carbon is an inherently compromised setup. If I were to buy a rim brake bike in 2011+14, I'd say fuck aerodynamics, throw some HED alloy rims on it, and call it a day. rimbrake bikes are for aesthetics not performance or comfort

>>2040071
lightbicycle and superteam too I believe. pretty sure xmcarbonspeed will build you a banging $1k carbon rim wheelset if you email and ask. but there's also so much lightly used high-end rim brake stuff out there that buying used is a very competitive play.

>>2040081
>The point is rim brakes + carbon is an inherently compromised setup.
why? the 'brake area of the rim heats up until the inner tube blows up' propaganda was snake oil made up to sell disk brake braking systems btw. same for the 'repeated braking melts the brake area of the rim until failure'

>>2040084
>but there's also so much lightly used high-end rim brake stuff out there that buying used is a very competitive play.
yeah I know, there's plenty of good western brand rim brake carbon wheelset I see secondhand online but buying a carbon wheelset second hand sounds iffy to me

>>2040096
it's ok to be a fair weather cyclist

>>2040097
you realize the impact marketing has on all the shit pushed on your gullible little self right? wider tyres, hydro disc, hookless rims. sure man you absolutely need that.

>>2040104
You might sound like less of a ridiculous trololol if you didn't just finish explaining to me why spending $1000 on carbon wheels was actually a really good deal

>>2040105
>rimbrakes bikes are for aesthetics not performance or comfort
most people here in europe amateur racing do it on rim brakes still. it's only in your schizo headcanon that rim brakes are for touring only

>>2039960 (OP)
how do i buy pardus storck oem frame

>>2040058
china is the only place making (high end) rim brake wheels
enve zipp roval etc are disc only

>>2040104
don't bring wider tires into this you lil shit

>>2040108
is touring a fair weather affair? I wouldn't know, I am a "just commuter" (regardless of the weather) as well as a hobby fred who isn't afraid of a little water, hence my subjective personal preference for being able to stop (I believe in the yuro racing scene they say "but brakes aren't for stopping, tulio said they're for modulating your pace in the peloton")

be careful with future upgrades, if your brakes don't suck you might fly over the bars ;-)

Idk, idc. I only buy SRAM because SRAM is American

>>2040134
people stopped very effectively for more than a century prior to the marketing push of disc brakes

>>2040188
That is very interesting, tell me more. How were they treating the carbon fiber back then to make it work so well in the wet and why was this technology lost?

>>2040189
I've been riding on carbon wheels with rim brakes for half a decade and have never found myself unable to brake in the rain. you just have to anticipate more which is something any retard can do. you're just nitpicking. enjoy your disc brakes man, your fat body sure needs more braking power

>>2040190
I see, so just don't ride on roads with cars on them, just like how cyclists did it 130 years ago, I'll keep that in mind!

>>2040191
you just need to learn to ride a bike man

>>2040192
I like going fast, sorry if that upsets some people

i wonder how hell rationalise this when the shills hype it up as the next must have tech

>>2040193
what's your ftp fatty

>>2040194
carbon braking surfaces? I heard they were using those 100 years ago so actually, if you use metal rotors you're a buyfag fred who doesn't know how to ride

>>2040195
what's your belt size tubby?

>>2040134
Anyone seen that Tom Ritchey rant about how disk brakes and 1 1/8 headtubes destroyed cycling?
He makes some very interesting points, mainly about balance but also about feel, they way a narrower headtube with a symmetrical fork and rim braking system gives the rider feedback that is completely lost once you need to reinforce one fork leg to mount disk brakes and enlarge the headtube.

Of course he's also speaking mainly about metal bikes, rather than the soulless plastic slop we see today.

>>2040198
I love metal bikes and metal stuff, and I love carbon bikes and carbon stuff. I just love bikes. I just think it's dumb when people claim to be defending tradition by riding carbon fiber rim brakes, it's awfully convenient how "tradition" happens to perfectly coincide with whatever year the bike they happen to ride was released on the market and anything older than that is crap and anything newer than that is just marketing for fools and their dentist money

>>2040199
pretty dumb post
rim brakes are lighter
carbon wheels are lighter
ergo the lightest bike has carbon wheels and rim brakes

>>2040202
plastic brakes and rims sure sounds insane.

>>2040194
>carbon disk brakes
this shit is so toxic its not even funny

>>2040217
crazy rite

>>2040217
you ever watched those "dream bike assembly asmr" youtube vids? nobody ever wears filters while cutting the steerer tube, bike people don't treat carbon fiber as something that can harm them

>>2040202
aero disc bikes are already lighter than the UCI limit though so what's the point of a worse riding experience anymore

>>2040217
ride fast like me and simply outspeed the trail of c*rbon death shedding

>>2040309
in about 15-20 years all those people are going to get a horrible new kind of lung cancer and carbon will be banned

>>2039960 (OP)
chinese only produce trash

Wait, how the fuck is it approved with that seatstay?

I will never install carbon components on my bike, since I don't do racing and I have at least some sustainabillity in mind.
But the fear and loathing of carbon itt is remarkable.
It's decades old proven tech, get over your sour grapes.

>>2046929
Many bikes have dropped seatstays my dude

>>2046972
this. steel all the way unless you race or have more money then sense, but im not gonna tell a gear queer he cant have his shiny toys

>>2047752
But carbon is for people with sense and no money. It's affordable and it has all the properties you want out of a bike frame. A comfortable carbon bike that flexes where it should, and has stiffness where it should, is like $1200, what kind of steel bike are you getting for $1200? Heavy, clunky, gas pipe garbage is what you're getting.

And then if you do fred out and buy the $5000 steel bike all you larpers pretend you're riding (even though we all know it's a gaspipe surly with QR dropouts and cable disc brakes, but let's pretend), sure now you have the #souplesse and #planing but if you look at it funny it dents and then it's game over, it can't be fixed.

At least you can fix carbon.

>>2040222
don't breathe in

>>2047764

>>2047893
>intentionally choose the wrong material for the job
>fire all the experts telling you this is a bad idea
>die
>suddenly it's the material's fault
Let me guess, alcohol should be banned because you can't handle your drink, dirty pictures should be banned because you can't stop touching yourself, and medicine should be banned because you didn't read the directions and made yourself sicker?

>>2047929
Cocaine used to be a medicine you could buy over the counter. Certain types of porn are outright illegal and alcohol consumed under the age of 21 is a crime. Your examples are retarded because there are irl examples of those things being regulated and controlled due to the dangers presented by misuse or ill intentioned design. Carbon is lightweight but ask the average person if they want to overpay for a bike with a carbon frame or if they would like the same bike but hundreds of dollars cheaper. I think you know the answer. Anyway titan submersible.jpg

I kinda want to build a lightweight bike from AliExpress. I want to know what it feels like to ride a modern, fast bike since I already own steel gravel bike and classic steel road bike with friction shifters.
Is it a bad idea to buy a Chinago/Chinarello frame?

>>2040058
>Carbon wheel
>Rim brakes

More like rim breaks

>>2047929
y-y-yess andd uuhhhh yes yes yes uhhh fuckkk stopp noticinggg chuddd ugghhhh
>>2048056
>misuse
we should ban water because if you drink too much you die, right