Thread 2040220

Bredd gud.
EU rail is a standard clusterfuck between it's countries and they will never agree on one train grid voltage/frequency system. Fast diesel gives best flexibillity. Comfort could be acceptable since it is powered by two engines front and back instead motorized cars like most ICEs.

>>2040271
You could just change locomotives at the border like it used to be. Takes 5 minutes, insignificant for long journeys.
The problem isn't electric vs diesel, the problem is insisting on EMUs which is retarded for long-distance trains.

If I had a Euro for every time that a new trainset intended to replace IC rolling stock ends up rebranded as an ICE, I'd have three euros.

DB really is a practical joke

>>2040220 (OP)
Low floor is nice but from what I hear Talgos have questionable ride quality, will have to see.

>Car body construction: Aluminium
Dead on arrival (or a few years from arrival)

>>2040271
>>2040272
Modern electric locomotives can operate at various voltages so there's no need.
The motors are brushless DC anyway and what's in-between is basically a large AC->DC power supply.

>>2040370
>Modern electric locomotives can operate at various voltages so there's no need.
I don't think that's true, it's not even just voltage, in Europe electrifications vary widely, from DC to three-phase AC. Surely there's locomotives for various electrical systems, but they're specially designed for it and more expensive. Normal locomotives are just for any one system of electrification.
In any case I do doubt the practicality of insisting on EMUs as most if not all of western Europe is doing, precisely in regard to issues like this.

>>2040272
>EMUs
they run on multiple voltages these days

>>2040418
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_L
>Electric system(s)
>
> Overhead line
> 25 kV 50 Hz AC
> 15 kV 16.7 Hz AC
> 1,500 V DC
> 3,000 V DC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-system_(rail)

It's fairly common, I did not find anything on the exact technical implementation. Nevertheless there's a bunch of options. If it's possible to scale up the technology they use to make cell phone chargers AC voltage agnostic it wouldn't also be much more expensive. If not they can brute-force it by making the relevant parts of the power-train redundant/adaptive. Like transformers with multiple taps, etc.

>>2040447
>possible
Well yes obviously. But it's really expensive. If it weren't, they'd just make all of them multi-system. Trains are a bit more complex than phone chargers.

The good:
>DB finally managed to procure new loco-hauled push-pull sets to replace their aging loco-hauled push-pull sets
>It's not an EMU
>I kinda like Talgo

The bad:
>DB still can't not call ICE something that is an obvious IC train.
>I don't want them to retire the BR101.

The ugly:
>The cab car is fucking ugly. Old IC cab cars look much better.

>>2040369
TGV Duplex are mostly built out of aluminium and are still doing fine 30 years later.

>>2040418
You think wrong. Dual-system locs and EMU are widespread, be it for use in countries with multiple electrification system (like French 1500V DC/25 kV AC or British 750V DC/25kV AC or 3000V DC/15kV AC for Germany-Benelux cross border traffic, triple-systems aren't exactly rare (cross border high speed trains running 1500V/15kV/25kV between France and Germany/Switzerland, 1500V/3000V/25kV between France and Italy or France and Belgium, including current Eurostar and a bunch of modern freight locomotives) and quad systems, while rare, are very much a thing (original Eurostars including 750V DC, old ass French locomotives for France-Belgium-Germany-NL TEE services, the Thalys PBKA sets that replaced them, and newer universal Freight locos operating around the same area)

>>2040370
they use 3-phase AC motors
They market those as brushless DC for some retarded reason.
I hate the antchrist

>>2040508
They're marketed that way because they are always run with an h-bridge based speed controller, which requires a power supply that's DC. AC motors are run directly off the grid and they don't have as many speed control options.
Since brushless DC motors are useless without a controller it's considered as part of the unit. So they are named after the power supply they need not how the current inside the motors behaves.

>>2040271
>>2040272
The problem really isn't the power supply as dual, tri- and quad system locos were there 50-60 years ago. The problem is actually the train control system which is different in every country.
>But muh ETCS
Yeah, especially in the eastern countries they somehow can't bring themselves to implement it.
>Here's 500 milion Euros
We did 25 km of track then we ran out of funding.
>What?
Yeah, the studies, the translations, the procurement through middlemen, the information campaign... You know, the usual siphoning of funds into private pockets.

*blocks your path*

>>2042556
EU neolibs be liek
>let's have private companies make money from the most profitable lines while the state pays for all other unprofitable services

>>2042556
*literally blocks your path due to Trassenkonflikte*

>>2042569
lmao this

>>2042569
>>2042797
>but le competition
>but le magical invisible hand

>>2042569
>making money is le bad
I will never understand how someone can adapt this utterly demoralized and cucked mindset

>>2045128
Except (You) aren't making the money

>>2045193
So you oppose any business offering a product you don't financially benefit from or what? What kind of mongrel thinking is this lol? Just shows how communism is entirely based on inferiority complex and petty resentment and jealousy. I've taken RegioJet and WestBahn trains and they were fine. They have to compete with the existing prices, they increase capacity, it is a win-win. You should be happy there is not just train service but actual competition in some places now. Look at the poorer countries in Balkan, etc. they don't even have rail service at all

>>2042482
>installing multiple signalling systems into the same loco/EMU is somehow difficult
>danes built the EG class 25 years ago, with signalling equipment for DE, DA and SE/NO
>many such cases
>ERTMS turns out to be far more expensive to implement than the multi-system locos it's meant to replace
>EU bureaucrats are useless again
>many such cases

>>2040220 (OP)
They really named a train "I(n)cel?"

>>2045231
What's the policy argument for giving corpos free money where there's money to be made while shouldering the tax burden of unprofitable routes? All it does is feed the retards who say government is bad and only helps parasite lazies. It's like those people who sabotage school systems by handing out free giebs to private schools that compete with the best public schools, and then after eroding the good public school into a shadow of its former self, complain that public schools all suck.

>>2040418
>I don't think that's true
There is no "I think", that's just a fact.