Picrel is what I consider good city planning, although to be perfect it should also have infrastructure that allows pedestrians to cross the road above or under ground so that neither pedestrians nor drivers would need to wait for green light at zebra crossings.

nonononono! see all that green stuff?
That needs to be turned into parking lots.

that's good example of a high throughput arterial that serves everyone (should have a tram in the middle tho) but most streets can't afford space wise to have 6 car lanes as well as bike lanes, so in a city you gotta take space from someone, and in america it's probably a car since they have most or all of the space. also america would never allow that road if it weren't a highway because it can't be accessed every 200 feet.

>>2040902
>Foreigner "knows" America

replacing the RARE and already-souless and corporate greenery that THEY allow us to have in cities with more lanes will solve the problem, this random OP said so!

I don't normally say kill yourself cause it kinda makes me feel bad, but...I definetely hope something negative happens to you in the near future. Maybe a broken arm, or someone beats you in the head with a cast iron pot, reset your cities skylines autism brain back to factory normal settings.

you fuck.

>>2040908
I live in canada, it's got pretty much the exact same infrastructure as america and I used to go there all the time.

>>2040918
In cities only 2-3% people commute via bicycle, even in "enlightened" cities like San Francisco. Portland has 6%, highest of any major city and about 10x the national average. Why should they have anymore than 5% of the street space?

bike lanes should not exist. just hold drivers personally responsible for what their 6000 pound steel box does, with consequences the same as killing someone by any other means, and the safety problem takes care of itself organically

imagine if you could just shoot anyone you wanted any time you wanted, and then go "but they came outtanowhere!" and your insurance covers everything

the "bike lanes controversy" is a manufactured solution that only serves the interests of the automotive lobby

>>2040909
Do you think picrel isn't green enough? There's always some place for greenery in parks, forests, smaller spaces that don't beg for more parking lots and even along the streets as long as it doesn't endanger the traffic. Your emotional response proves this board belongs to Reddit.

>>2040931
>you have your lane and you can ride safely
>I have my lane and I can drive without being slowed down
Win-win
>you get killed
>I go to prison
Lose-lose

Why do cyclists need to constantly remind everyone they're insane?

>>2040931
I agree.
>>2040876 (OP)
Walk you fucking fat faggot.

>>2040937
>you don't want to be killed? OMG you're insane!!!
Average bike lane pusher

>>2040938
I'm not a walker cause for menrunning is like walking but better. I'm a driver and a runner and I bet I'm skinnier than you

>>2040939
You literally want to be killed. There's zero chance of getting killed by a car if you stay on a bike lane.

>>2040937
Brother it’s ONE single row of tiny ass trees that barely shade themselves in the middle and not much better on the sides. No variety. Yes I think it’s not green enough.

>“B-but endangering the traffic” This is what’s wrong with people who play these autistic factorio cities skylines tycoon games. 0 consideration for how their fellow human feels and lives, because you just want maximum efficiency for your vehicles to get to and from wageslaving as fast as possible.

You’re either trolling OR are fat and have never biked, so you don’t appreciate nature.Either way I hope you get seriously injured within the next few weeks and then our healthcare system renders you either homeless or close to it.

>>2040944
Do I really have to always post belly to prove I'm not fat?

>>2040943
Why lie when there no need? Just say "I can kill you any time I want and nothing will happen to me" and you'd be right and everyone would support you because you're supporting bike lanes.

>>2040946
That's because of a terribly planned bike lane. It would never happen here.

>>2040944
>0 consideration for how their fellow human feels and lives
I know a case when people wanted county authorities to cut down one tree because several drivers fell out of a twisty road and killed themselves on that one particular tree. T
At first the authorities didn't want to do it but they finally agreed when the tree killed entire family.

>>2040947
Sure. Anything to avoid holding drivers responsible.

>>2040951
Why do you wanna ride your bike where faster vehicles belong so desperately?

>>2040953
>where faster vehicles belong
Not cars obviously, were you referring to ebikes? They belong in the trash

>>2040954

>>2040942
>I'm not a walker cause for menrunning is like walking but better. I'm a driver and a runner and I bet I'm skinnier than you
You sound like an utter retard and run probably once a week at most.

>>2040931

reminder that streets are thousands of years old and the car is just a superior version of a horse cart

cities are literally made for cars and gay communist forms of transportation like bikes and trams are not real solutions to anything

>>2040958
>>2040946
>>2040943
>I will just kill you and nothing will happen
I don't understand why it was so hard for you to say it, but I'm glad we're on the same page now.

>>2040965
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>2040945
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>>2040876 (OP)
Nobody walk along a 6 lane road of speeding cars. I'm pretty sure that's loud enough to result in hearing damage.
>>2040959
Horse carriages were owned by the upper class. Now basically everybody can afford a car.
Working class people did walk, took the tram or got on horse drawn omnibuses.
That was how it was in the 19th century, It also created a problem, cities with the oldest layouts came from a time when people basically walked or did ride their horse.
Also bicycles and trams came before cars, long after the transition from feudalism to capitalism.

>>2040876 (OP)
walking along a road like this is shit, you still have to walk past 7/11, a retirement home, burger king, some random commercial buildings you'll never step foot into, each and every building having a big parking lot, and cross 3 suburban side streets just to get to the grocery store, which you'll also have to walk through 600 feet of parking lot to reach the front doors.
>>2040975
>Nobody walk along a 6 lane road of speeding cars. I'm pretty sure that's loud enough to result in hearing damage.
My city has multiple bicycle and pedestrian paths running along and also IN THE MIDDLE of the freeways. My ears were raped and I never took them again.

>>2040959
I will say that in Madrid city center with the small streets like picrel it is pretty much fine because cars drive slowly and after the car passes people just walk in the street if they cant fit on the sidewalk. So it feels like streets have hybrid uses. Fully pedestrian streets feel better, but I dont have much complaint for these kinds of small city streets that people just share with cars. I went to Tokyo once and I remember it being similar. Although it tends to be better when there isnt parking all up and down the street. Underground garages are pretty GOATed.

>>2040902
>high throughput
>giant intersections
>random crosswalks with fucking lights

wheres the pedestrian bridge

>>2040931
hold pedestrians responsible for stepping in front of a car, 99% of roads can easily and safely be jaywalked, regardless of speed limit

All accidents come from pedestrians and bycyclists having default right of way regardless of anything

>>2040876 (OP)
I have the solution. All roads only get two lanes, one in each direction, and the nation wide speed limit is 35mph.

>>2041378
Different solution:
>All roads are 30' wide with no lane markings, signage or speed limit.
>Right of way as follows:
>Trains > pedestrians > cyclists > motor vehicles
>When motor vehicles meet at intersections, the one coming from your right has right of way
>Seatbelts are banned
>Airbags are replaced by a spike pointing at the driver's face
>If you're found at fault in an accident that killed someone, you are sentenced to death

>>2040876 (OP)
Buenos Aires is a pretty fine city in that regard.

This thread has only made me hate cyclists more

Yes, you are second class citizens. No one wants to be you. No one wants to spend more time on the road to accommodate you. Cycling only makes the roads worse and it is not the solution to anything. The solution is smaller cars and better zoning/planning.

You are worse than motorcycists. Enthusiasts for a crippled, useless, dangerous vehicle. The only advantage a bicycle has is directly endangering its user through attempts to cheat traffic (lane splitting, inappropriate parking, ignoring stoplights).

>>2040931
Bike lanes should not exist because bikes should not exist outside of skate parks and racetracks.

>>2041465

>>2041465
>Bike lanes should not exist because bikes should not exist outside of skate parks and racetracks.
I hate ideological cyclists but some people are just too poor to buy a car and need something to commute

>>2040945
Now breathe out you disgusting fat cunt.

>>2041465
I bet you needed a donut after the exertion of typing that moronic wall of text.

>>2041504
>ideological cyclists
I like this, mind if I save it?

>this is the person calling you fat
kek

>muh hekin public trasniterino!
god damn, why are you /n/iggers so pathetic?