Post road network gore.

>>2044302 (OP)
>Highways in a commercial district where nobody lives anyways? I'm going INSAAAAANE!

>>2044303
get in

>>2044303
This >>2044302 (OP) really is grim. Then again cities and town are grim. I avoid them and only venture there when I must, like doctor or shop.

>>2044302 (OP)
Where's that?

Mass. Turnpike slicing through the Fenway/Kenmore area in Boston. Just brutal. Hope they figure out how to build on top of it some day.

>>2044414
The same thing creating a giant wall between the South End and Chinatown and Back Bay areas.

>>2044414
>>2044416
>creating a giant wall
The railroad tracks in both pics already did that

>>2044418
I guess that's true. Still, there'd be less empty space necessary if the roads could be built upon or just weren't there, no?

>>2044414
what do you mean "figure" ?
2 lanes is only 20 feet, you could easily build on top of pillars spaced 20 feet apart

>>2044304
>What's THIS??
>Oh my science is that a-a-a-a-a-a-FREEWAY????
>And it's "gasp"! Surrounding an AIRPORT? AKA A place that has zero property value for homes anyways do to noise pollution????
>ACK! HOLD ME TYRONE I'M GOING INSANE WE NEED TO ABOLISH CARS!

>>2044459
Tell me why I need to go around 6 loop-the-loops and 47 spirals to go to 1 place

>>2044460
To slow the flow of traffic down, that's literally the point. Are you just illiterate about public infrastructure in general?

>>2044461
gotta go fast man

>>2044463
Yes, when you're on the freeway, not when you're getting off of it though

>>2044463
stupid retard

>>2044449
It's just a highway interchange conveniently with the train lines off to the right cropped out and there was literally nothing there to replace (no street grid, not much of anything). At this point there's nothing to really talk about beyond wheeling out the "but think of the apartments we could've crammed here" argument.

>>2044413
Look up
Dyer Ave & W 40th St, NYC

I'm not familiar with the area, but those buildings in the lower right, the stepped setbacks are very characteristic.

>>2044414
>>2044416
just do it bro

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_Deckel
sorry there is no english version for this article

>>2044303
50k people live in the neighbourhood it's located in (smaller than one sq mi) that's definitely more than your flyover county

>>2046319
>neighbourhood
Foreigner lol

>>2046324
I'm a native where I live

>>2044302 (OP)
>gore
I love twisty, winding urban highways like this.
Especially driving on them at night when almost nobody else is around.

>>2046991
notice the bike lanes and bus stop with solar cells on the roof. Even China is ahead of the US now.

>>2046991
When you build a Cities Skylines interchange irl

All roads are gore. Where is everyone going? Why do they need to go so far away from where they were? Personally I've seen people go on 20+ mile journeys just to get fast food even though they already had food at home. Sometimes they'll drive 30 minutes just to look at some junk at Walmart. They'll get a job in an office that could be done remote, but their boss makes them drive an hour every day.

>>2046997
>left hand drive
>China
Anon, it's even worse than you think.
This is India.

>>2044302 (OP)
A fucking western city did this abomination.
Even more shamefully, I've gotten used to it.

>>2047336
>I have no idea how the road network works and will make up ridiculous hypotheticals to justify my view
>Despite that fact, I'm sure that MY transportation views have merit and will work

>>2044414
These plots >>2044416 along the MassPike are already develop-able, and have been since before the Big Dig started. If I remember right, there are something like 25 parcels starting from where Commonwealth Ave passes over the Pike, going all the way to where Harrison goes over before the Fort Point tunnel. The Hynes Convention Center, a portion of the Prudential Center (but not the tower), and the new Car Gurus headquarters all used some of those parcels.

The problem is that despite the air rights being available and fairly cheap, the construction and engineering costs are way higher, and it has only been recently that the cost of land elsewhere in the region has made these parcels viable. As I understand it now, there are at least two additional projects filling in sections near Fenway/BU. However, it will probably be decades before the whole thing is filled in - it'd likely take a concerted effort from the city with tens of billions in funding to get it done in my lifetime.

>>2047594
okay

Meanwhile in Europe.

>>2047792
I can't tell if this is supposed to be good or not anymore.
>mess of medieval buildings with no street names, just whatever they could fit in there
>hasn't changed too much since medieval times save for some new roofs
>only a single warning light for a pedestrian crossing

>>2048001
>I can't tell if this is supposed to be good or not anymore.
It's neither, these threads are always full of retards who post aerial images of random cities without context other than "infrastructure bad" without further elaboration because "Urbanism" isn't a real discipline and is largely just pseudoscience that literally nobody outside of a handful of online echo chambers take seriously. Retards genuinely think they're being profound when they strawman highway layouts and suggest they could be used for apartment blocks instead. It's fucking maddening watching these retards talk to eachother and base their beliefs on public infrastructure purely on personal feelings instead of how each part fits into the bigger whole.

>>2047996
lmagine how fast traffic would flow there if they built just one more lane.

>>2048046
This might surprise you anon, but most highways, including the one in that image, will feature a right lane to facilitate merging and getting off, as freeways typically have multiple exits, and thus most people in that image are in fact not going to be driving the full length of that freeway. They also feature a central passing lane, and a fast lane. They are not going to add an extra lane as a stop-gap solution for traffic. This is something that does not happen in reality and only in the strawman inside of your head that you created to invent things to get upset over.

>>2048048
Are you seriously claiming that Highway widening projects don't exist?

>>2048049
Most highways simply cannot be widened, because pesky infrastructure and geography tend to get in the way of that. Highway widening projects may exist along desert and plains routes where nobody lives anyways but not in that webm

We have the H3 on Oahu. Perhaps the most expensive highway ever, over a billion dollars. Exempted from all environmental concerns because it was part of the Defense budget. Nobody actually travels to where it goes, the only reason to use it is because a road that would be more direct will have perhaps the worst traffic in the country.

>>2048209
That unironically looks really cool though, almost reminds me of Frutiger Aero but in real life

>>2048046
It would unironically improve. No, "just one more lane" wouldn't fix things for good since population has grown >20x since the highways were built, but it definitely helps.

>>2044303
>a commercial district

>>2048209
>H3 runs from Pearl Harbor to Marine Corps Base Hawaii
>H2 runs from Pearl Harbor to the Army's Schofield Barracks
>H1 runs from Pearl Harbor to the oil and gas harbor and refinery
Is there anything happening on that island aside from the military and the Dole fruit plantation?

>>2048382
>Is there anything happening on that island aside from the military and the Dole fruit plantation?
Tourism

>>2044460
That's the Manhattan bus depot. Your precious mass transit is the one using most of those loop de loops, the rest are separate tubes of the Lincoln Tunnel to NJ, with the middle one switching travel direction midday.

Pic related is 99 percent of "urbanism" in a nutshell

L'échangeur Turcot

>>2047792

Here's something subtle.
US 71 in Kansas City is built to freeway-grade and is a natural extension of I-49.
However, as it passes through a random neighborhood, it reverts down to city streets for about 2 miles.
It has just TWO level intersections, and they are the most dangerous in the whole region.
This is the result of a "freeway revolt" back in the day, and this was the compromise that was supposed to avoid splitting up the neighborhood. Now we have the worst of both worlds.

Cinncenati core

>>2048382
Nope.
There's a lot of Hawaiians moving to the west coast because not only is it expensive to live on Hawaii, but the average wage is also terrible.

>>2048625

>>2048050
They widened the 405 in LA a while back. That was a big project and did actually have a noticeable impact. It's mostly remembered now for the fact that they had to close it entirely for a few days to replace a bridge, which led to people predicting a never-before-seen traffic nightmare that became known as "carmageddon," and then when it actually happened people were so scared of the traffic that nobody left the house and those days ended up having way lighter than normal traffic.

>>2048880
The Sepulvida Pass Improvement Project focused specifically on a 10 mile stretch of overpass anon. In that particular instance they could widen the freeway because it was over an existing bridge.

>>2048882
And?

Would you rather work in transportation or manufacturing?

>>2046324
Why what word would you use?

>>2049004
I'm soure you'll figoure it out, ounce you've thought about it thouroughly.

Oof

>>2049193
the street looks like dogshit in both pictures but it's harder to tell on the top one because the photo quality is worse, and nobody is using that road in any case. This is just another shallow appeal to emotion fallacy by urbanistfags,

>>2049193
And there it is.

>>2049193
Man that is a fuckton of leveled buildings
Houses, stores, offices, all in classical architecture with good building materials.

>>2049228
Man! That is so true, Chang.

>>2048001
>>only a single warning light for a pedestrian crossing
In most of europe, we can walk on the streets. We only need crossings in traffic busy areas.

>>2049230
damn, you don't have cars in Europe? times are tough.

This thread makes me want to play Transport Fever 2 again.

Damn that is a lot of buildings removed.

>>2049506
At least use the same area if you're going to do before/after comparisons. The Ohio River (telling you that since you're foreign) on the bottom right of the 2021 photo isn't there in the old photo.