https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/world/asia/air-india-crash-report.html
>“In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off” the fuel, said the report, by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau. “The other pilot responded that he did not do so.”
Suicide by pilot.
The perpetrator is either the captain, who falsely accused the first offer of killing the engines, or the first officer, who falsely denied having done so when correctly accused of it by the captain.
India is a shame-based culture, so probably whoever did this hoped that they could pass it off as mechanical or human error (if the captain, then maybe pin it on the rookie FO) to protect their family name.

BLOODY BASTERD BITCH, TURN THE FUEL ON SAAR

>>2048338 (OP)
I need to know the personal lives of both the pilots. Heard that the captain was a bachelor. Poor lad, imagine being a childless, wifeless loser at 50 while tall, handsome pilots younger than you are busy banging stewardesses.

>>2048338 (OP)
And suddenly all the obnoxious Jeets on this board are dead fucking silent
>noooo saaaar it was the boeings fault saaaar!
I hope he gets reincarnated as a plane or a building that a plane flies into.

was I not supposed to do that saar?

>>2048359
It could have been pilot error due to sleep deprivation.
The speculation that the pilot thought he was pulling the landing gear switches instead may have been right after all.
Regardless, it's noteworthy that Boeing's stock barely budged after the crash, despite the importance of the 787 and its safety record to Boeing, as if the market knew it was malice or incompetence in AI that was most likely responsible.

>>2048381
The landing gear lever and the fuel cutoff are far enough away from each other and look/feel different enough, especially to someone who had 8500+ hours on the type.

>>2048381
Is it "possible"? Sure anything is. But grabbing a lever in front of you vs. a pair of small switches that require a totally different action seems like a stretch

>>2048385
>>2048384
People do stupid shit when they're tired.

>>2048386
People fall back on muscle memory when they're tired. They zone out when they're tired. They murburblebumpften their words when they're tired. They don't reach for a pair of switches they've never touched outside of training. My initial reaction was the best very good fantastically mechanics for Air India forgot to tighten a bolt during maintenance, but now I'm thinking one of the pilots was refused from Malaysia Airlines for being too suicidal.

>>2048384
>>2048385
I'm aware of that, but
>>2048386
this.
I still think pilot suicide is the most likely explanation, with the culprit hoping they can pass it off as a mistake to shield their family from shame.

>>2048388
Have you never been tired and put something in the refrigerator instead of trash? It's all muscle memory flipping those switches.

>>2048386
>People do stupid shit

>>2048390
I tried to shave using a toothbrush once. It's amazing the derps you can make when you're tired enough. Of course, even getting that sleepy near a cockpit is a massive fuckup of its own.

>>2048386
>Oh yh
>Yes, those two buttons that are on their own. I'm gonna flip em.
>Yh das rite
>I'm tired and shit
I have worked on a safety system with little sleep. Never fucked up this badly

>>2048386
Seems like he was tired of life

>>2048438
at least you didn't try to brush your teeth with a razor once

>>2048390
I use both the refrigerator and trash regularly. Pilots never hit the "dump fuel" switch outside training. There should be no muscle memory for a switch you never hit.

>>2048481
This. Anon was so tured he out a knife in his mouth instead of a spoon

>>2048437
>SpiceJet
GOOD MORNING SIR PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate,
Why are they talking the time to call MAYDAY instead of getting engines back up, not they had the time but still. panic i suppose.

Previous warning of 'possible fuel switch issue'

"The Boeing 787 uses spring-loaded locking mechanisms on its fuel control switches to prevent accidental movement," Mr Singh explained.

But a previous bulletin from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) "warned that these switches might be installed with the locking feature disengaged," he said.

This could "make them susceptible to unintended movement due to vibration, contact, or quadrant flex", he added.
======================
I doubt both switches could fail simultaneous ,
did they actually find the switch intact in wrong position or is black box telling them the switches where pressed?

>>2048516
>did they actually find the switch intact in wrong position or is black box telling them the switches where pressed?
They were found in RUN, but the timeline is as follows:

>08:08:39: Aircraft achieves liftoff
>08:08:42: Aircraft reaches highest recorded airspeed, 180kts. Engine 1 fuel cutoff transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF
>08:08:43: Engine 2 fuel cutoff transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF.
>08:08:47: RAT begins supplying hydraulic power
>08:08:52: Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN
>08:08:54: APU Inlet door opens, consistent with the APU Auto Start logic
>08:08:56: Engine 2 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN
>08:09:05: Radio transmission: "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY"
>08:09:11: Flight data recording stops
>Note: The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. Engine 2 was able to relight but could not arrest core speed deceleration and re-introduced fuel repeatedly to increase core speed acceleration and recovery.

>>2048516
Blackbox also says they tried to restart the engines...but the switches were up.

Someone is fiddling with things here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aaib-update-preliminary-report-into-air-india-flight-ai171

>>2048529
>they tried to restart the engines...but the switches were up
Isn't that exactly what you'd expect? Unless by up you mean something different

>>2048527
you will be reincarnated as a google play gift card for making light of someones suicide saaar

>>2048529
learn to read. somebody switched them off and 10 seconds later somebody switched them on again and engines started to spool up, but it was too late

VAPOR LOCKEY

SAARS KINDLY KILL THE ENGINE AND THE SAME

>>2048527
This would actually be a pretty good joke if it wasn't soulless AI sloppa, kindly kys slopspammer, you are the cancer that destroyed the internet

IN the history of Aviation how many times has a large airliner pilot committed murder-suicide with the plane

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/south-korea-preparing-order-airlines-check-fuel-switches-boeing-jets-2025-07-14/

Something is not right.

>>2048542
So, what's the hypothesis? The fuel cutoffs slid themselves out?

The excuses are distracting from the real focus of this investigation. The fuel switches, even if they didn’t have the spring lock, should never have been moved. The FAA has even stated it didn’t warrant an AD issuance. If you’re tired to the point you’d mistake the fuel switches for something else you shouldn’t be anywhere near the flight deck. Either it was intentional, suggesting suicide, or a mistake that amounts to gross negligence.

>>2048547
Don't other planes have a design nearly identical to this? Shouldn't there be more cases of planes falling out of the sky because some underslept/hung over pilot hit the wrong switches?

I don't know much about fuel switch design but it seems to me this is worth closer scrutiny given boeing's history of selling death traps and then blaming browns when the death traps crash and kill everyone on board

>>2048547
It's mostly Indians trying to shift the blame for what it's mostly likely malicious action from one of the pilots. Boeing is fucking shit, but the idea that both cutoffs came loose in the span of one second, and it so happens that one of the pilots accuse the other immediately, and it happened in the most vunerable part of the flight, is quite the stretch of coincidences.

>>2048540
Known/Suspected Pilot Murder-Suicide Cases in Commercial Aviation:

SilkAir Flight 185 – Dec 19, 1997
• Boeing 737-300
• 104 dead
• NTSB: Pilot suicide; Indonesia: Undetermined

EgyptAir Flight 990 – Oct 31, 1999
• Boeing 767
• 217 dead
• NTSB: Pilot suicide; Egypt: Denied

LAM Mozambique Airlines Flight 470 – Nov 29, 2013
• Embraer 190
• 33 dead
• Captain locked out co-pilot, deliberate descent

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 – Mar 8, 2014
• Boeing 777
• 239 presumed dead
• Widely suspected pilot suicide, officially unresolved

Germanwings Flight 9525 – Mar 24, 2015
• Airbus A320
• 150 dead
• Co-pilot locked out captain, deliberate crash

Pre-1997: No confirmed large airliner pilot suicides

>>2048550
thanks grok

Boeing shills have been activated

>>2048550
There was also an Alaska Airlines flight that a pilot on the jump seat tried to shut the engines down.

All of the pilot sudoku cases that I'm aware of involved a lawndart maneuver from cruise altitude, a slow crash landing does not sound like suicide to me.

>>2048558
Effects the same though, and besides, if you're succumbing to a murderous impulse to take as many people down to Niraka with you, crashing the plane into a city will only help your score get even bigger.

>>2048558
Low, slow, heavy and very low probability of recovery. A “slow” crash is still very quick.
>>2048548
The flight deck layout is designed very carefully, and procedures are created to maximize accuracy through drill/repetition and checklists to back memory items up. At my company in the event of an engine failure or fire those aren’t even memory items; they are accomplished through a quick reference checklist and subsequently by the emergency procedures book, and and shutoff of particular guarded or critical switches require confirmation by the other pilot. You don’t hit these switches in flight by accident, and I’ve had my share of flying tired. One reverts to muscle memory, which would not be the case here.

>>2048565
Very quick what? To crash? A lot of crash landings have survivors, I wouldn't want to be soaked in jet fuel and slowly incinerated to death if the alternative was instant and painless.

>>2048558
with "always two people in the cockpit" rule it might be difficult (especially for an indian) to fight his way into crashing from cruising altitude. cutting off fuel switches just after rotation is very simple, lethal and unrecoverable

>>2048562
>On Jul 14th 2025 India's DGCA instructed airlines to check the fuel switches on the Boeing 787 and Boeing 737 aircraft as used by Air India Group, Indigo and Spicejet for possible disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature according to the SAIB released by the FAA on Dec 17th 2018. The checks have to be completed by Jul 21st 2025.

so they really arent sure if it was indeed the pilots.....

>>2048573
They're checking all possibilities, but as has been said earlier, for not one but two critical switches to fail in the exact same manner nearly simultaneously is damn unlikely. In any case, these checks haven't found anything as of yet

>>2048573
they have explained why

the switches have a on NEUTRAL off and off NEUTRAL on
that NEUTRAL signal wasnt present on the fpga commands
which is the only other possibility that they are exploring
aka the fpga somehow could have mailfuncioned and sent erroneous data to the engine
the percentage of this to happen is small but then again we already know the corners boeing cut during design and manufacture of the 787....

>>2048575
Why did you respond to yourself instead of just including it in your post?

>>2048573
>so they really arent sure if it was indeed the pilots.....
There are millions of cycles in Boeing aircraft using these types of engine fuel control switches. It is very unlikely to be the switches; however, they can’t discount anything during this stage of the investigation.

>>2048577
i literally pressed the wrong quote OBVIOUSLY

>>2048338 (OP)
amir's air plane

>>2048546
Fuel cutoff being recorded in the eafr doesn't necessarily mean the switches were thrown physically.

This is something that's bothering me.

Pilot A notices fuel cutoff, verbalises it.
Yet they don't take corrective action immediately.
There's a 10s gap between fuel switches returning to run.
And even then, there's a 4s gap between the two switches being turned to run, when turning off was done in 1s.

All this points to an aircraft fault rather than pilot actions.

If this was pilot error/murder-suicide, the other pilot would've immediately thrown the fuel switches.

>>2048614
>All this points to an aircraft fault rather than pilot actions. If this was pilot error/murder-suicide, the other pilot would've immediately thrown the fuel switches
There's no shortage of possibilities that could account for these things
>startle factor leading to corrective action being delayed
>assertion of "I didn't" in response to asking why fuel was cut off leading to other pilot briefly assuming he's somehow misunderstood what's happening
>assumption that the other pilot will fix the problem
>panic leads to fumbling with the switches
>other pilot guarding them

According to black box data of the crash, the fuel switches were pulled in sequence one second after the other, this is far more consistent with human intervention than random error. Also, the other pilot had attempted to re-enable the fuel switches, but it was too late, as one of the engines did not reignite in time, this isn't a fault of the engines, these planes simply aren't designed to have someone fucking with the fuel lines mid-takeoff. It's also telling that they brought in a psychologist is part of the crash investigation. I'd say the chances this was pilot error or suicide is a good 85% but we obviously will not know for sure unless the investigation is over.

>>2048614
>the other pilot would've immediately thrown the fuel switches.
lmao, no. This is not part of any reasonable pilot training, they were in the middle of takeoff when this happened, obviously there would be a delay between noticing fuel cutoff and attempts throw them back on, this isn't something pilots just rehearse in these kinds of situations, especially when one of them is insisting that they didn't throw the switches (they were lying)

How long between the cutoff and the pilot's question? If it was immediately, he must have seen the FO throw them in his peripheral vision.

>>2048552
People like to say that we're insane
But AI will reward us when it reigns
Pledge allegiance to the world's most powerful computer
Simulation - it's the future

>>2048622
>85%
Show your calculations

>>2048622
>It's also telling that they brought in a psychologist is part of the crash investigation
that's like saying "it's also telling that they looked at the schematics for the fuel system as part of the crash investigation", of course they're going to look at all the possibilities, if a retard posting on 4chins can guess that the pilot might have done it, then someone who has access to all the data would also make that guess, I'm not saying I don't think the pilot did it because it's looking pretty bad for them right now but calling in a subject matter expert is what competent people do, I realize that's considered woke these days so maybe less obvious to some than it might have been before the great collapse kicked into high gear

>>2048653
What, like... gathering all the facts and eliminating as many possibilities as you can empirically until only one plausible explanation remains? You don't know much about investigations, do you? I happen to be an expert, having listened to fifty true crime podcasts, and I know for a FACT the plane's husband slipped sugar into the fuel tank.

India's media report that the investigation is NOT focussing on a human action causing the fuel switches to appear in the CUTOFF position, but on a system failure. The Service Information Bulletin by the FAA issued in year 2018 recommending to upgrade the fuel switches on 737s and inspecting the fuel switch locking feature on other aircraft types including the Boeing 787 to prevent inadvertent flip of the switches, as well as the FAA/GE issued Service Bulletin FAA-2021-0273-0013 Attachment 2 relating to loss of control issue (also see above) were NOT implemented by Air India. The stated MN4 computer with faulty soldering, that might weaken and lose contact due to the thermal stress after a number of cycles, interprets data and commands fuel metering valves - with the lost contact attaching the MN4 processor to the EEC intermittent electrical contact, loss of signal processing and engine control faults can occur. The SB writes under conditions for the SB: "An LOTC (Loss Of Thrust Control) event has occurred due to an EEC MN4 microprocessor solder ball failure." According to discussions in the industry it may be possible with the number of cycles VT-ANB had already completed, the solder balls were weakened sufficiently to detach the MN4 from the EEC momentarily due to loads during the takeoff rotation leading to the loss of control of thrust and shut down of the engines.

>>2048665
both at the same time though? or there's a single point of failure for both?

>>2048665
>two seperate solders failed
>on the same flight
>at the same time
>localized entirely within the engines
Sounds entirely like jeet cope, taking responsibility for their fuckup comes far behind trying to pass plane to Boeing

>>2048667
plus (yeah I get the meme but...)
>they failed seconds apart
>at the most crucial moment in the flight
>then fixed themselves again
>also seconds apart

>>2048665
>wall of cope
There are easily 15,000 sets of fuel cutoff switches flying around every day. For two of them to fail in exactly the same way one second apart in the most critical phase of flight is incredible. There are easily 250 million flight hours across all variants of Boeing planes over all the decades flying with those types of switches and we have never seen this specific failure mode. The simplest explanation is pilot error right now, but I reserve the right to be surprised if it isn’t.

The why,how and the who is just scenery for the public. Hades demanded more souls so it took them its that simple.

>>2048673

>Never come to /n/ because it's ironically slow as hell
>/n/ also hates jeets
>MFW

>>2048579
that's impossible, it should be drilled muscle memory, definitely intentional

>>2048679
It's the refusal to admit responsability by the pilots coupled with the wild conspiracy theory of a 1 in a trillion chance failure that's making people hate Indians in this case.

>>2048685
>the refusal to admit responsibility
I'm convinced that's genetic at this point.

>>2048688
/k/bro here.
The jeets are trying to blame the loss of a French-built fighter jet on manufacturer's defect, so this shit is almost a universal truth.

>>2048665
A bit of sanity after the poonami of 'lol pilot mad' posts.

>>2048695
>All them Rafales
F

Anyone else think airplanes are the worst invention?

>>2048729
Only for turd worlders.

I have a 787 flight coming up soon, should I cancel and fly on an older plane instead? I don't wanna die

>>2048749
Just make sure the pilots aren't suicidal indians and you should be fine

>"why did he cut off the fuel"
Who the fuck is "he" ?
Is there a world where the pilot refers to his plane as "he" ? And the other dude just notify that he had not initiated such action?
Is it possible the pilot asking have his eyes locked on some visual alarm from the HUD and formulate perplexity?
And no this is not a pronouns bait.

>>2048762
>Is there a world where the pilot refers to his plane as "he" ?
No, there isn't, because "he" was referring to the suicidal pilot who cut the fuel switches. As this was caused by human intervention and had nothing to do with the plane itself. I hope that helps!

>>2048763
If i was asking i'd use "you" when talking to my co-pilot and if i was suicidal i wouldn't even bother to answer. But hey, at least we have a world where you just cracked the case open. Thanks for your help!

>>2048766
>if I
>if I
nobody cares, you're not him
also expecting unreasonable (murder-suicidal) people to act reasonably and according to usual patterns is dumb, dumbass

>>2048762
I live in a blue state so I can help with this mystery, now you have to thermite your hard drive lollolololol

>>2048742
Are you going to automate everything?

>>2048768
You really need to do yourself a favor and stay away from any activity that requires above one dimensional reasoning.

>>2048749
DON'T DO IT!

>>2048674

they should get rid of one pilot , that would reduce risk of suicide by 50%

>>2048843
But then the one pilot would get lonely and that would bump the rate up again

>>2048843
allow pilots to smoke weed in the cockpit, that way they can get "high" both literally and figuratively and suicide will drop to -10% (it's negative because it'll lead to more sex as well)

>>2048843
AI should fly planes.

>>2048879
Given the fact that flying a commercial airliner already involves autopilot half the time, and given how far things like self-driving cars have come, I would genuinely feel safer having an AI fly a plane than a human at this point.

"I didn't do that" Apparently.

>>2048881
Even if that AI was programmed by Boeing?

>>2048885
Sure, but only as long as they use third worlders as beta testers

>>2048359
By Indian standards a pilot must be on bill gates tier money.

Skill issue really

>>2048665
I saw someone else say this and they have a point
From the CVR recordings it seems the first officer asked the captain why he moved the switches, which implies deliberate action
He would've phrased the question differently if it was some kind of mechanical failure

Why isn't the top position the cutoff position?

>>2048920
Down cutoff, up run has been how fuel control levers and switches have been designed since airplanes started flying. You have to lift them up over the gate so there is little risk of inadvertent state change.

>>2048923
The other way around would be safer.

>>2048881
Even autoland is already a thing and works perfectly. Given that that's usually the most difficult part of a flight, airplanes could already fly autonomously.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/air-india-finds-no-issues-with-fuel-switches-on-other-boeings-after-crash
>The black-box recording is reported to indicate that it was the plane’s first officer, Clive Kunder, who was flying the aircraft during take-off and had questioned why the pilot had moved the fuel switches to cut off. Sabharwal had replied that he had not.
>A report in the Indian Express said investigators were examining previous technical glitches with the plane, to explore the possibility of an “uncommanded transition” of the fuel control switches.

>>2048881
Try having an AI write you just one simple computer program, and, separately, try 1 week of using only voice commands and no physical inputs to do simple things like setting reminders or timers, and then after that, ask yourself if you want AI to be navigating a crowded 3d space with a gorillion people stepping on each other's mics, weird accents, confused ATC where the radar shuts down half the time, and dealing with boeing-tier avionics issues

Are we going to automate this?

>>2048933
the tech exists
unfortunately the regulatory environment is lagging

>>2048924
>The other way around would be safer.
Not necessarily if every other plane you have ever flown is down for cutoff. High stress situations cause you to revert to muscle memory.

>>2048936
Sure, that's true.

>>2048929
ok but is this going to be one of those 'and then the car accelerated all on its own!!!' (decrepit mushbrain retiree mixed-up the gas and brake pedals again) issues

>>2048550
China Eastern 5735 almost certainly was as well, instead of giving a report on the 3rd anniversary the chinks said they wouldn't release it because it might "endanger national security"

>>2048928
Mm that’s a shit take brother

>>2048965
NTA, but I would, and I am being 100 percent sincere when I say this, rather have an AI handle an entire flight then a human at this point. Look at this thread >>2040735 and realize how low commercial aviation standards have fallen with regards to pilot staffing, there is no way I'm ever getting on another flight unless I have no other choice knowing one of you retards or suicidal indians are going to be in the cockpit. Something has to change.

>>2048945
Don't they realize this is pretty much an admission?

>>2048971
Sure, but there's still the spectre of a fig leaf that something else happened. International politics is a very stupid game.

>>2048968
Alright you can walk or drive to your destination, that’s your prerogative. But statistically speaking it’s more dangerous.
>something has to change
Ok but I’ve seen enough stuff fail to be convinced complete automation is a bad idea. Pic related.

>>2048965
Elaborate on this post.

>>2048980
Sure, there will be situations that a human could handle better. But far too many incidents occur die to human error, that could be prevented.

>>2048338 (OP)
I have a theory dude had over-practiced some procedure like a water landing or emergency landing and as part of that, immediately after the engines aren't required any more the fuel is cut off to stop fire.

Unfortunately on this takeoff, once the plane got in the air everything was going smoothly, pressure on pilots lifted and that was the point those engines weren't needed any more..

>>2048999
The one of the dumbest takes in this thread.

>>2048992
No commercial aircraft presently are designed or certified with that level of automation, so if that’s the goal you’re talking about a Herculean undertaking to design, test, certify and operate an autonomous airliner. Retrofitting the current worldwide fleet is not an option, they are not appropriately designed nor do they have the level of redundancy required. With no human to fall back on it would require a working fail-active (failure tolerant) system in all phases of flight, but I would argue that’s not even enough. Currently if a critical component fails the operator can evaluate what impact it has on the machine, what compensatory action is required to operate it, and adjust the operating technique to accommodate. An autopilot assembles the required inputs in order to generate an output command. If an input is lost the equation doesn’t work, and it cannot generate a command. Extreme examples are the European Air Transport (DHL) A300 attempted shoot down, and United 232, both catastrophic mechanical failures that prevented conventional attitude control. Less extreme but the AHRS issue in the image I posted represents a failure in the Attitude and Heading Computer, which provides gyro and magnetometer output. Without that one would never start an autoland approach since you lack the level of redundancy for a fail-active autopilot. This is just one hurdle in the long line of major obstacles.
>>2048993
Far more incidents are prevented through human intervention, but you never hear about them because they’re never allowed to progress to the point of an incident or accident.

>>2049035
Arguably, you could create highly sophisticated physics models and train the AI to fly with random parts missing, but imagine what kinds of crazy hallucinations it would have when it ran into unexpected situations, I'd rather not be the first one to test it

>>2048881
>>2049035

I'm an engineer who leads teams that design, build, and certify avionics software. Technically, we probably could build planes that fly themselves. And they would certainly be safer than the car ride you take everyday, and perhaps even better than with a human pilot (although I'd say on-par is more likely).

But flying isn’t a tech problem, it's a trust problem. People have an innate fear of flight. In this industry, we’re not building systems, we’re crafting belief. And no amount of slick tech will matter if the story doesn’t fly. It will be a long, long time before the trust in such tech can be built up to craft a story that people will trust their lives with.

>>2049038
Departure, enroute and arrival I think would be fine but to automate the takeoff and landing with so many variables and failure modes? I am less confident. One of the biggest roadblocks is one of practicality. I would estimate about 15-20% of my flights have all the onboard equipment working. With the redundancy expected of a fully autonomous airliner no regulator would allow an operator to dispatch a plane with the frequency of MELs you see on the line. That would lower the operational efficiency considerably and cost the airline time and money. Or you defer the radar altimeter, downgrade from CAT II to CAT I and be on your merry way.

>>2049043
The equipment isn't working because the industry is not built around technology nor fully dependent on it. Not because its not possible to build dependable systems.

I feel like FPV Quadcopter drones kinda prove that AI is more than capable of fully autonomous flight with an airplane because quadcopters are for all intents and purposes far more complicated to fly (which is why they're almost exclucively RC or autonomous) since they need constant situational awareness to achieve stable realtime control (turning, moving back and forth, strafing.etc are achieved by varying the output RPM/lift of its 4 rotors)

>>2048972
>International politics is a very stupid game
Why did they bury the report? To save "face"?
Doesn't it make them look silly instead when it's so obvious.

>>2049035
>Returning to Baghdad, the three-man crew made an injury-free landing of the seriously damaged A300, using differential engine thrust as the only pilot input.
>This was despite major damage to a wing, total loss of hydraulic control, a faster-than-safe landing speed, and a ground path that veered off the runway surface and onto unprepared ground.
How the fuck did they survive this?

>>2049055
Yes, to them it does save face. You have to understand, Chinese society doesn't hold honesty or integrity as virtues; they prefer having the "intelligence" to pull one over on a sucker. To a Westerner this is a foreign concept, either you did a thing or you didn't. But to a society so thoroughly godless, the highest power is whether other people know what you did; and if they can't prove you did it, you can keep saying you didn't.
It literally doesn't matter how blatant the lie is, as long as it can't be empirically disproven.

>>2049043
>15-20% of my flights have all the onboard equipment working
Ok, but are you counting bullshit like "broken coffee maker" and "overhead bin not latching" that don't really affect a plane's ability to remain airborne? Or do you actually mean that on 4/5 of your flights there's some avionics system or other on the fritz? Because if it's the first thing, it really wouldn't preclude automation of the cockpit, you'd just have a flight attendant signing the maintenance exception form instead of a pilot.

>>2049066
Same with the Azerbaijan Embraer 190 that was shot in December.
>>2049081
Many of the deferrals aren’t critical systems, but I’ve had a lot of localizer/glideslope, radar altimeter, TCAS, etc that (for us) are just nuisance MELs for the most part but would preclude autonomous operation. Those aren’t including deferrals of generators, packs, and the autopilot, which aren’t every day but I’ve certainly had all of them. I don’t believe an operator would be allowed to dispatch an aircraft with inop major components.

>>2049081
>broken coffee maker

>>2049115
You jest but I'm sure a broken coffee machine was an indirect cause of an accident down the line somewhere.

You Fucking Assholes better Fucking fix the Air India report! The pilots didn't do anything Fucking WRONG! There is zero proof and now they are not even going to Fucking look for the real mechanical failure. MotherFucker.

>>2049129
May you be reincarnated as a building for which a plane is sure to fly into saar

Post Indian /n/

>>2049129
Rajeesh maybe you should fix your country's collapsing infrastructure instead of seething

>>2049149
That boat is so loaded that I think a wave or just the wake of a larger boat would just sink it.

Giving Indians technology was a massive mistake

>>2049129
Do not redeem the switch saar

>>2048968
>knowing one of you retards
I'm offended by this.

>>2049115
is this from the sequel?

>>2049050
Those are an example of a machine where the controls are easy to automate but very difficult to handle manually because trying to constantly vary four throttles with two arms is against instinct for a homonid. All the situational awareness needed for stabilization is provided by accelerometers and gyroscopes, which are relatively uncomplicated. An airliner has far more things to fiddle with, but most of them are left alone almost all the time, and if anything they're actually more delecate just like an ant is less vulnerable to falling off a cliff than you are.
And it's hardly an international controversy or newsworthy loss if a photography drone crashes, so the threshold of "good enough" is much lower.

>>2049145
It's maddening how little good English-language material there is about India's high-speed-rail project.

>>2049260
You cannot hang on to the blood side at high speed saar

>>2048338 (OP)
* No cover to stop something or a hand from resting on the fuel cut-off switches.
* Only 2.3mm travel upwards to overcome 'lock'.
* Switch known to be possibly mistakenly assembled with the locking mechanism disengaged.
* The locking mechanism designed to lock out the middle position, not to lock in the up or down position.
* Mfg's catalogue warnings to not rely on switch for safety-of-life functions.

* see picture of bad switch: https://www.xuefeiji.org/bbs/show-294.html

Boeing fucked up, again.

>>2049163
saaaaaaar I told you not to redeem the fuel switches!