Thread 2049405

Welcome to Juarez city... now look at pic related

Cargo train runs right through this buys intersection en el centro.

So if you need to get somewhere sometimes there's a massive cargo train in your way preventing you and making you LATE.

How do you fix that. Not only that it's dangerous. There are no "Train crossing beware" it's just hopefully uou don't get hit by the train

Yes a HUGE cargo train goes on those tracks...in an area with many pedestrians and cars

Eschuca, hombre. El problema no es con el tren--es con la gente. Siempre Mexicanos son tontos y violentos. Necesita arreglar la gente primero.

>>2049407
Actually the problem is with the train because it blocks a busy intersection so if you're trying to go somewhere and a big cargo train comes you're going to be late. It's not a well placed cargo train in my view. And it causes a hazard.

>>2049409
>...a big cargo train comes you're going to be late.
¡Siesta tiempo!

Easy. Put a GPS tracker on the train and publish its location so residents can plan their commute around it. And let a speeder drive in front of the train with a big Hermano in it who yells at people to warn them.

>>2049417
That can help safety but it might not be so safe for him. Also... that doesn't change that it can make people have to wait long periods of time for the cargo train to cross a very busy pedestrian zone...

Imagine if Shibuya crossing had a big cargo train sometimes run right through it

I'm stuck... It takes like 20 minutes and that encourages some pedestrians to do dangerous attempts to cross the train as it moves or if it ever stops for a moment

Your options are:
Build an overpass
Find an alternate route
Accept the pain

>>2049431
>Build an overpass
This is a very very busy traffic for cars and people this is untenable imo
>Find an alternate route
For the train or the people? As a walker by the time you "find an alternate path" you might of well as waited. For instance I waited 20 minutes today. The train briefly stopped and some people did dangerously cross between the cars... you can imagine how this is a major hazard.

So I walked up but then just waited it was futile

>Accept the pain
Is that what urban planning has become in 2025? Just accept it. I refuse that...

>>2049434
You're unwilling to accept reality. Either build an overpass, find an alternate route, or suck it up.

>>2049459
You're a naysayer...

>>2049427
About ten years ago, Brownsville/Matamoros built a new railroad that bypassed both cities and created a new border-crossing bridge. The American side abandoned the seven or so miles and the Mexican side abandoned most of it as well. I guess they could blast a connection south of El Paso and abandon the city portion that way.

>>2049434
I dont know what you expect, you built your train yard running dead center into your central district, and good luck getting the Americans to move theirs (sensibly built on the outskirts) to help fix your traffic woes. Unless you want to endure several years of massive infrastructure remodeling to build bridges or some kind of sunken train channel im the middle of downtown the only option I see is bulldozing some of that more open land on the border and trying to put the yard there, then reconfigure the entire local rail network.

Short version: you're fucked

>>2049470
I didn't have anything to do with building the train or planning it at all.

>>2049470
Having given it a bit more thought I've come to the conclusion that the most half-assed solution is also probably the best: throw up some elevated prefa pedestrian walkways that can be erected in a few hours with some prep ahead of time and call it a day. Best case scenario I see is building some form of motorcycle and under bridge as well, but I think to accommodate full on automobiles you'd probably have to shut down the rail for too long

>>2049472
Don't you fucking lie to me Jose I know you did

>>2049409
>It's not a well placed cargo train
I'd bet you a hundred burritos the train was there before that intersection and probably before cars even existed.
But retarded Mexicans obviously weren't able to build around the train tracks like any sensible people would have done and now the tracks are boxed in.

In any case, build an underpass or overpass. There's apparently already a tunnel there for cars.

>>2049405 (OP)
1. Buy real estate on both sides of the tracks.

2. Build pedestrian bridges crossing the tracks.

3. Charge 10 MXP to cross the bridge.

>>2049503
There is a tunnel for cars but not all cars can take it due to their destination... and pedestrians are ruined... what can we do about it

Yeah, you can't move the tracks. You have two major depots and an international border in the span of 3 miles. You're just going to have to leave the house a little bit earlier. They are capable of doing pedestrian overpasses in other parts of the city though.

>>2049513
Why? That's basically how much it costs to walk across the bridge to the USA (60 cents) I never heard of a pedestrian overpass you need to charge a fee for

>>2049503
>I'd bet you a hundred burritos the train was there before that intersection and probably before cars even existed.
I mean yes the train is what turned Juarez from a small dessert outpost to what it is today.

>>2049473
This would be really nice to have. Also, where is that bridge you posted from I really like it I feel like it would be cool to do a covered bridge styhle to protect from the heat

>>2049519
Well show some respect to your elders, boy

Put up some permanent barriers that prevent cars from crossing that intersection at all times. Then they will have to find an alternate route to their daily commute and now will never be stuck waiting on the train at this intersection.

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>>2049546
Yeah dude just shut down a major international logistics hub for years while you build an elevated structure that can support freight train weights

>>2049405 (OP)
>How do you fix that.
Alter where the signals are and how they're operated, so that the train never has a reason to stop in the city. At least like that, the train will fuck off about as fast as it can.
Then the city starts fining the train corp for any stops that happen, or if the passing of the train takes longer than, say, 10 minutes. UP will get the picture fast.

>>2049548
Move the tracks underground then

>>2049564
>same problems except now youre digging up city infrastructure as well

>>2049558
Anon this entire city is a mile from the US border and is built around the rail yard. Not only would you fuck the local economy but piss off your trade partners as well

>>2049558
>t. never switched

>>2049566
Solution--the green line is the new track area and the red line gets abandoned. (Black is existing track).
>no major rail yards or spurs go offline
>busy downtown corridor gets axed
>improve border security at new bridge

>>2049409
late for what exactly? Since when do Hispanics have anywhere to be?

>>2049728
That's not funny. Actually it only serves to hurt feelings. Obviously we work, family engagements, friend, etc. and places to be like anybody else.

>>2049728
That's uncalled for.

>>2049600
All you'll manage to do is overcrowd the Clint - Mission Valley rail branch.

>>2049822
How?

Just stop using motorized means of personal transportation?
Worst case the train carrying freight would sometimes hinder the trucks carrying freight.
Beneficial side effect would be the end of LGBT and negroes fucking of to skmewhere where motorism is in full swing.

>>2049832
If you cut the part beween Ninguno (doesn't that mean "nobody?") and El Paso, so freight trains no longer have to go through downtown Ciudad Juarez, all the traffic will be redirected into the Clint - Mission Valley branch.

>>2049840
How do you know it would go over the capacity of that line?

>>2049836
>Beneficial side effect would be the end of LGBT and negroes fucking of to skmewhere where motorism is in full swing.
But the gayest places on earth are fervently anti-car?

>>2049434
an overpass with escalators/elevators for pedestrians is the absolutely cheapest option, and there's no money even for that, welcome to mejico

>>2049822
>All you'll manage to do is overcrowd the Clint - Mission Valley rail branch.
I was the person you responded to, but couldn't the rails outside be El Paso be upgraded and expanded with the additional traffic? There's no practical solution with the line paralleling Av. Francisco Villa, an elevated line wouldn't work due to the railyards on the American side, a sunken line wouldn't work for the same reasons plus the Rio Grande and a smaller waterway (and there's already a tunnel for another road), and building a second deck above the road and railroad is impractical since it means every single building along Av. Francisco Villa would have be torn down and rebuilt, which isn't happening.

>>2050240
The absolute cheapest option would be to add proper lights and gates along the stretch, including stoplights that function differently when trains are passing, "no left turn when flashing" signs, and so on.

the fix is to reroute the train like all first world countries have already done

UPDATE:
So I contacted a city councilwoman and she said she liked the idea of a pedestrian crossing and will bring it up next council meeting and I was even invited to speak and bring it up.

>>2051825
I mean pedestrian bridge

>>2051825
An underpass would be cheaper because you can just use prefab concrete culvert sections. It has its drawbacks though, people can loiter in there and it can fill with water after rain.

>>2049405 (OP)
Start by drawing it

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>>2051833
>Sign in to use
Nope

What the hell... I got stuck behind it on the USA side now...

Either I'm the most unlucky person alive or we need to TOTALLY rework this thing by the way I got stuck behind it on Mexican side AGAIN on saturday. So that's twice in TWO COUNTRIES In less than a week

>>2052485
That's a beautiful picture

overpass roundabout

Just another day in my shitty train trapped life

It’s happened more than I’ve taken photos of too

>>2053129
We get it, you live in a 3rd world shithole that can't even manage basic infrastructure now shut up

>>2053133
counterpoint: I enjoyed the photos and anything is better than more urbanism YIMBY numtot spam

>>2053140
Have to agree

>>2053133
That photo was taken on the USA side...

>>2049405 (OP)
>making you LATE.
Start your commute earlier.

>>2052485
Why am I suddenly drawn to go there? The sky color is beautiful, the mountains, the carg, the city.... the feeling that it's not glitz and glamor but it's a place where people put their head down and work hard and don't complain.

Goodbye slow moving and evil inconsiderate train! Don’t come back!

You've got to be kidding me...

>>2053938
>That border patrol van overlooking everything
Kino

>>2053938
>EMD shit
It really is disgusting.

>>2053945
You prefer GE's diesel-electric locomotives?

>>2053955
Immensely. They're not outdated pieces of shit. EMD only just figured out how to do one inverter per axle and still hasn't figured out how to crank using the alternator. Their new four strokes are so unreliable that they can't build anything new except for export. It's amazing they still exist at all.

>>2049405 (OP)
Anon, what kind of cargo goes on those trains?

>>2053974
Drugs and immigrants

>>2053992
Sir, the poltically correct term is "farming products and equipment."

>>2053994
My sides
Good one anon

>>2049405 (OP)
>How do you fix that.
Ask your city to build an overpass / underpass. This is where the road goes under the train with the train not being affected by a grade change.

Many cities build an overpass for the train. The train remains at grade while the road goes under the tracks. No real tunnel needed as it is the overpass style of train tracks.

Overpasses are what our cities use here for the major roads crossing the train tracks.

>>2049434
>>2049459

Doofus here. Do you build a pass for the people or the train?

>>2049815
>>2049819
I'm going to go kick his ass, just after my siesta.

>>2049406
the tunnel bypass has been there for AT LEAST 4 years now you ingenuine faggot

>>2049405 (OP)
a big fuckin trumpet interchange. demolish all housing and commerce within a mile to make it fit

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