Thread 2051272

Dia dhaoibh

I've been directed here to inquire as to why ebikes are bad. My opinion as of yet is that if I get to work safely (for me and others) without needing to take a shower, it's good. Cycle lane availability means I don't need to go near pedestrians and don't mix too much with cars. This all adds up to me pointing to that ebikes are positive, could anyone explain to me their viewpoint as to why they would be negative? I personally hate escooters as they are always ridden by knackers unstably and in dangerous manners.

Go raibh míle céad maith agaibh.

In my experience most e-bike riders are reckless jackasses that will ride your ass and dangerously weave through traffic on bike lanes
That being said, I don't hate E-bikes anywhere near as much as I hate it when pedestrians walk in the middle of bike paths whenever I'm riding through a park as if these overweight fatasses don't have a million acres of space to occupy instead and take up the entire fucking road making it impossible to move around them. This happens way too often

>>2051272 (OP)
I don't see anything wrong with them, as long as they aren't being ridden recklessly. Personally I prefer to ride regular bikes, but ebikes can make cycling more viable for routes with hills and longer distances. Also with pedal assistance they make cycling more accessible for those who can't pedal as hard. Any proper alternative to car dependency is a benefit.

>>2051272 (OP)
It's motorism. End of the discussion.
Long story:
The so called 'e-bike' (it's a moped, compound noun, motor & pedal) is a false flag operation conducted by the motorist. The motorist aims to achieve several goals with it:
First the motorist managed successfully to muddy the water to as what a motorvehicle, or a bicycle, is in the collective conscious and legal definitions.
Building on this the motorist now uses this motorvehicle to invade spaces beyond the motorist inclusion zone, even spaces specifically meant to protect people from the motorist.
This aims to do two things:
Normalize the use of motorvehicles beyond the cager inclusion zone.
And also create disturbance which can now be framed as the cyclists actions.
The motorist will use this moped to ride on the sidewalk, run over people, block the road, block cycling paths, invade pedestrian areas, commit various crimes using it to get away, destroy natural habitats, violate traffic rules... the list goes on.
That being said the electric moped, if designed sensible and not as sometimes, intentionally inefficient, also has benefits: It is by far more efficient, energy extensive and environmentally friendly than a man on a bicycle. The CO2 equivalent of the emissions associated with the production of the added parts is made up for in short order of using it over a bicycle.
This about sums up the impact those developments have on others.
Motorism also has an impact on the motorist. Motorism is not only an expression of mental and physical inadequacy, it is a downwards spiral. It breeds complacency, indifference, alienation, isolation, physical decay and erodes all resilience.
Sure it may be a neccessity for some, like cripples, senior citizenz, women, children and other degenerates and qe are partly to blame. We have made a world that they have to inhabit and in order to participate it is sometimes neccessary for those who lack physical and emotional strength to use such moxes of transportation.
(...)

>>2051275
(...)
but for someone who has the choice and no good excuse you must ask yourself if it is compatible with your ideals to, out of nothing but laziness, endanger the health and lives of others while making yourself the subject to the downwards spiral mentioned above.
As for me personally, if I see a man of relatively young age in a motorvehicle I know they are a homosexual or negro, perhaps not phenotypically but in spirit. It then brcomes comical when one of those is either even proud of their motorism or goes to lengths to make themselves being noticed while literally being a gay nigger.

>>2051272 (OP)
I dont have a problem with the restricted 25km/h ebikes that are used in europe. A normal bike is faster anyways most of the time.
I even see a lot of practical usecases with them and would use one myself if i had a commute that would allow one.
My problem is 13 year old and 60+ year old fucks who cycle around like shit with them ignoring every rule of the road.
God i hate boomers on ebikes like you wouldnt believe. I get fucking angry If i see them doing their 20rpm cadence from the distance.

>>2051272 (OP)
They make people with cycle brain seethe because it reminds them that the problem isn’t motors, the problem is cagers. If everyone rode a motorcycle of some size - from a bagger to an e-bike - they’re be very little to complain about, and then cycloids couldn’t feel so smug

Kids here are always zooming around in the suburbs at night full stealth mode on these things and one of these days I'm going to hit some invisible retard who gets in front of my car from some stupid angle you'd never expect and I'm going to get blamed for it.

>>2051272 (OP)
ebike makes you a fat ass
ebike will hurt you/others a lot worse when you crash
ebike battery catches fire and burns your house down
ebike rentals litter the sidewalks because diverse ebike riders just hop off and drop them in everyone's path
there is a lot to hate about ebikes

>>2051300
There are laws for requirements of lights and clothing during nighttime in most countries, as far as I know. Not sure how you would go about solving this issue when what they're doing is already illegal, unless you want the police to have to come in the middle of the night to chase them. I think it's about teaching the children in school, sort of like with swimming in primary, you'd have cycling (and maybe some varieties), as well as punishing the parents with fines if their child is not following the law.

What I mean by this is that this problem is not a specifically e-bike problem, it's just exacerbated by e-bikes, so banning/limiting e-bikes is not the best way to solve it, and probably wouldn't even work, considering how easy it is to make an e-bike.

Cycling etiquette doesn't change whether e-bikes are good or not.

>>2051306
>>2051277
I also think they, namely full faired e-bikes (of any kind), should be the path forward in getting motorists to switch. Motorists are generally fat, highly dangerous and park anywhere, so any reduction is these is good, but motorists do not want to cycle, as they lose their feeling of safety, comfort and their time. Fully faired bikes will give you that comfort and feeling of safety, and e-bikes will give you the speed. As long as they are pedal assist, meaning the rider must at least pedal a bit, it will only be a net benefit societally. Their selfishness on cycling lanes and pavements would need to be helped however, and I think that's simply a matter of teaching children, in school, simple cycling etiquette. The adults were dangerous regardless and this only made them less so.

>>2051300
Maybe if you weren't speeding you would notice and have enough time to stop.

>>2051306
/thread

>>2051308
LMAO how can you be THAT optimistic.
I only have to look at my boomer:
Always terminally motorist. Probably does not 'understand' why I refuse motorism. Raging hypocrite, basically repeats ethical or moral talking points and experesses concern for environment (yep muh windmills batteries and solar panels too) while giving zero fucks, heating a house and water and running probably 100L of petroleum fuel through his murder cage every week.
Funny enough: When the 'e-bikes' gained traction that guy would even pick up 'e-biking'. Next thing: Even gets hit by a cager, breaking a leg several times and all the usual shit. I thoh) ught that finally might have woken him up.
Nope: Goes on to motivate all his friends that he knows will also pathologically rely on motorism to visit in hospital. As soon as out of hospital: Back to motorism. So basically that guy goes some place where he 'needs' to go in his murdercage, returns in the aame manner and afterwards gets on his 'e-bike' to cover the same distance for leisure purposes. U Ironically.
You'r idea that the cager will wake up or change his ways sadly is delusional. The cager will not and the cager will only engage in this false flag operation to promote motorism and discredit cyclists.

Luckily I live in a nanny state and so can pass most e bikes with ease

>>2051318
I was mainly referring to younger lads who simply want to get their shopping and go to work dry and safe, not so much old people, who are generally stubborn anyway so not worth much trying to convince them, maybe make keeping a car license harder for them, it's already hard enough I think to get them here in Éire, it's just a matter of checking that people are still able to drive safely every now and then.

>>2051320
There are limits on e-bikes here too with the 25kmh limit and pedal assist only, but as far as I know they only enforce it in cities, so Dublin, Cork and Galway City centres.

>>2051322
>hard enough
it is definately not hard enough to get a drivers license anywhere, when you assume the requirements should mirror the potential impact and dangets associated.
Instead democracy and normalization are once again to blame. In my country it's more difficult to get your hunting and even fishing license than the drivers license. Because they make the requirements to meet the popular demand, not reflect the associated danger.
What can you do with a 3 shot rifle? Or a 6 shooter? Or a fishing rod? Euinnand torture a fish at a time is the worst I can come up with. Think about what you can do with a car, and what people do with cars and the fact how using the car, even as intended and without fuck ups, always causes harm.
The science isnt too clear but we know there is a certain percentage of psychopaths and sociopaths in the populace. At least somewhere in the low single digits. Do as many faike their test on grounds of being mentally unfit? Do as many even fail their test for any reason? No. They are knowingly and willingly giving licenses out to psychopaths and sociopaths. How do you think those situations come to be, where a cager, often at night, in a tunnel or somewhere remote, figures no one is watching and so they just bump or ram you and throw you off your bike for fun or whatever they call that. Whill cagers, especially able ones, lack conscience, I don't think those situations are the average cagers. Those are the psychos with licenses.
>already hard enough
my ass.
They don't even test for integrity and it shows. The democrats wouldn't get their holy votes if they expmainex they are going to raise the bar so that we will habe better drivers but only a few % will have licenses anymore.

>>2051324
You've convinced me with this one, I didn't think of it relative to guns and now looking at it it seems you're right. In which case I'd like to know what your idea is for the best way to get others to cycle instead of drive, or get governments to build better infrastructure etc.

>>2051328
Be like me:
Be single handedly responsible for 50% of all posts on /n/ and always, even when its OT, express your hatred and disdain for the motorist. KEK.
Nah man I think I have given up on humanity so long ago on several levels. I just want to be left alone and will seek out a place where the cager is a rare sight.

>>2051306
yah, but cars kill people and ebike fires are a rarity compared to that.

Anyone hating on bikes for any reason is dumb, and any harm is self inflicted.

>>2051324
You need to take your meds

>>2051361
>any harm is self inflicted
you have to be utterly delusional to believe that

>>2051272 (OP)
33% of ebike hate is really hate towards food delivery people who cant speak any english and dont understand traffic rules

the other 33% is hating the chavs with those electric dirt bikes

the last 33% is butt hurt roadies that think cycling should involve suffering and the more suffering that happens the more superior you are.

>>2051274
Its really just that first point for me. I don't even give a shit if you ride a electric scooter on the path as long as you're going an appropriate speed and not being a dick. Large crowds and those shitty pedal carts they rent by the waterfront are infinitely more annoying than an electric bike cruising at 15mph and minding it's business.

I don't mind sharing micro mobility infrastructure with other things, as long as it's actual micro mobility.

>>2051373
I guess that remaining one % is me then?
>>2051366
No argument.

>>2051377
My sentiments exactly.

>>2051373
>that think cycling should involve suffering and the more suffering that happens the more superior you are.
imo the appeal of bicycles is that they're self-sufficient and don't require external fuel sources. On their own, a bicycle is 4 times faster than walking simply through mechanical advantage alone and that's really cool in my opinion. I think there's a place for e-bikes but I hate it when retards think they're some replacement for real bikes because I think the appeal and point of using them are completely different from eachother. And for some reason e-bike fags get really pissy when you call a spade a spade and call out e-bikes for what they really are, and that's slow mopeds for people without licenses.

>>2051468
None of my favourite cyclists, none of my favourite stories about a dude and a bike, would have been possible using an 'e-bike'. And not remarkable either.

The problem with ebikes is the same as the advantage. It attracts unskilled riders who think regular bicycles are "elitist" and who therefore become a danger to themselves and others.

All this cope about how "at least they're not cars" or "actually it is brown people who are the real problem" is just the usual disingenuous YIMBY garbage. Ebikes are a menace and should be regulated as the motor vehicles that they are.

>>2051595
+1

>>2051377
This is why the worst are the electric cargo bikes
Two of my motorcycles are smaller than a cargo bike, and these things clog the bike lanes completely, always some rich yuppie who doesn’t actually want to cycle but thinks he’s making some kind of environmental difference

>>2051647
>my motorcycles
>>>/o/

twentyearsago,,,gotmy first hub motor for parallel bicycle whenone armalfunctioned.,
,,,later, my loaner poundogot adopted that i relied onto make town trips,,got E for trike.,
,,Everyone amazed how Strong i must be,,sofast,,souphill,,sostamina!,
,,,eve/n/.,
,,,,,,i missoldays.,butsoon , it willbe today.

>>2051664
bacon that doesn't really compare youre a literal cripple, unlike the boomer on top of the 'e-bike'
many guys in your situation would havr just given up and gotten a car or whatever and I personally wouldn't even judge
also if it was only real women, children, cripples, homos and negros motoring it would be a non issue

>>2051662
In fact a person can own and use multiple forms of transportation

E-bike riders generally ride like reckless retards BUT the popularity of e-bikes reduces the influence of carcels and cargroid infrastructure so they are a net positive

>>2051318
why are you even on the internet? go live in the forest you mentally ill monkey

>>2051468
>imo the appeal of bicycles is that they're self-sufficient and don't require external fuel sources.
Imagine getting a fucking bycicle for "activism". LMAO.

>>2051693
What has one thing got to do with the other?

>>2051468
Ebikes are real bikes. You're not better than others because you're pushing pedals a little bit harder.

>>2051595
It takes no skill to ride a bike.

>>2051709
t. the guy who will crash into me and do $1000 worth of damage to my bike and break my collarbone and then ride off on his 50 pound improvised incendiary device that he can't control but it doesn't matter because it takes no skill to ride fast

>>2051711
>t. "professional cyclist" cocksucker

>>2051711
so much this
you can just see them coming
on the sidewalks
with their 20 rpm cadence
just enough to keep the motor motoring
absolute hamplanets
always slow hut ironically. too fast for their bike handling
probably even making up for bad handling with stability more speed affords them
always licking down, when theyre in their cage they try to inconvenience and kill cyclists when theyre on their electric bike they go after pedestrians

>>2051712
i dont even see what this has to do with cycling
is taking a shower with my bicycle cycling because it involves a bicycle?

>>2051713
Problem is when you *can't* see them coming because they took a blind corner at 30mph, which is most bridges and bike paths around here. Also extra fun when they pass you as you slow down for a blind corner because their little no-skill pea brains don't understand that there's a reason a "pro cyclist cocksucker" might be going slow even if that knowledge is way too elitist for their little microbrains

Dia dhaoibh a chairde.

Haven't looked at this thread in some time, seems to have become go léir feisithe i gceart agaibh. Either way it must be noted that regardless of what funny restrictions you decide are best to put on ebikes, the knackers that misuse them will find a way, it used to be scramblers anyway before ebikes. Your opinions on ebikes should match those of yours on guns, for the most part.

Go raibh síochán maith oraibhsan, más toil Dé.

>>2051762
>should match those of guns
A human right to own and use which allows for no legitimate government restriction? No, instead I think they should be regulated as motor vehicles

>>2051763
Depends on why you think motor vehicles are/should be regulated and what you think guns are used for that make them a human right

>>2051764
For the same reason that the right to life gives you a right to food the right to life gives you the right to keep and bear arms. Trivial exercise for the reader

>>2051764
For the same reason that the right to life gives you a right to food the right to life gives you the right to keep and bear arms. Trivial exercise for the reader

>>2051766
a RIGHT to food? KEK
rights are for cattle anyways

>>2051766
>the right to life gives you a right to food
do you live in venesuela or something? no other surviving country has devalued its rights to the point they're worth even less than their money with idotic claims such as this.

>>2051762
speak English, subhuman.

>>2051784
When I say you have the right to keep and bear arms, do you imagine I mean “the government must furnish you with a rifle”?
When I say “you have the right to marry” would you think I am insisting the government owe you a state mandated GF?
Try to think for two seconds. If I said you had the right to a keep and ride a bicycle, but banned their use in public, banned the sale of tires, bike chains, and under tubes, would you really have a right to a bicycle? Obviously not. This concept is known as auxiliary rights.
The right to food, the right to shelter, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to water, these are auxiliary rights to the right to life. These things are necessary to maintain your life.
You also have the right to marry, for instance, auxiliary to which are the right to consummate the marriage, the right to procreate, and the right to raise your children as you see fit.

>>2051786
Ní dhéanfad

>>2051791
Right but if the right to bear arms is to allow for protection of your right to life, why wouldn't the right to motor vehicles or any other transport medium be required as auxiliary to the right to food, to give the means with which one may maintain themselves?

Furthermore if the reason a motor vehicle is regulated is for the safety of others, there is no reason to believe arms should be any different. My opinion is that of less regulation on the people, but reduction of requirement and demand through induced demand of other mediums. So instead of making it harder to get a car, simply make it less worthwhile.

>>2051798
>inb4 cars not REQUIRED
guns are also not REQUIRED, you may keep your payload holding drone and it may not be REQUIRED, so that's not really a point from an objective standpoint.

>>2051798
There is a distance to rights
You might say, for instance “oh I have the right to shelter so I have the right to fell this forest to build a house”
the connection is remote though
The right to travel is related to the right to food which is related to the right to life, but being three steps removed now more restrictions are legitimate

>>2051709
>because you're pushing pedals a little bit harder.
Funniest shit ever. The motorists unironically fall back on this 'argument' sooner or later every time.
It doesnt make a difference bro. The added weight negates the motor power anyways bro.
Then why do you even do that? Are 'e-bike' fags really even more retarded than one would assume?
Or are you just grasping for straws at this point?

>>2051806
The right to life is absolute
The right to keep and bear arms isn’t. You could disarm a crazy person or a violent person for instance, or require minor modifications to behavior, say the long standing American tradition of restricting concealed carry while permitting open carry. The right can’t be restricted for the innocent, but its use directed.
Related to the right to keep and bear arms is the right to buy (not manufacturer, buy) guns and ammo. That’s even further removed, so you could say require licensing to sell, put restrictions on ages to buy, this sort of thing.
Then you need to be able to make ammo, so you need to be able to mine lead, say, but this is even further removed , so more restrictions are allowed: you can’t mine here or there, environmental regulations, labor regulations etc.

Cant stop laughing at
- right to life
- right to food
- right to weapon
being natural, absolute and what not.

>>2051888
The most effective argument against a person who insists there are no such things as right is a stabbing

>>2051913
are you stupid?

>>2051786
>speak English, subhuman.
He won't, he regularly goes schizo on /out/ too and makes an ass of himself there as well.

>>2051945
I must say I found this persons contributions, on /DIY/ btw, better than more of 80% of /n/tards within the bikesphere (dont care about aeroplane train fags idk). The abstinent irishman is at least interested in bicycles, forms cohesive arguments and accepts arguments if they find it superior. Behaviour that is unheard of for the average /n/ tard who never rides and suffers GCN brainrot.

>>2051945
I've only replied to 2 threads in /out/, both in English so far, as I have only been on this site for a total of a week or 2 now, but I would be surprised if there was anyone else actively speaking some irish anywhere online. Other than that I made a thread on /p/, and chatted about on /ic/ and /sci/. My Irish is also heavily Scottish influenced as I believe the classification of Scots Gaelic as a seperate language is absurd.
Also I am not schizophrenic.
>>2051950
I asked about the concept of an electric recumbent with rear steering and pedal drive fwd, where I was told to go to /n/ to be told why electric is bad.

Go máire sibh fada 's go mbeannaí Dé sibh.

https://voca.ro/13vYywSV5sIk

operating a wheel chair for the future physically dismantles the gas chambers.
The Nazis can’t stand to see a way of moving that isn’t a 5,000-pound gas chamber.

>>2051981
Yeah it was (me) who told (You) that motorism is for homosexuals, blacks women, cripples and the likes and that I wont go into details on /DIY/.
And I still believe (You) as aparently a non resident) /n/tard are receiving flak unjustly as the majority of /n/ tards seems simultaneously less interested in bicycles while also less capable to actually reason instead of just 'but GCN told me... '.

>>2051981
>I have only been on this site for a total of a week or 2 now
lurk moar, faggot

>>2051992
I only came here to ask questions, never been a lurker, not much point for me

>>2051982
I could imagine, thank you anyhow, and likewise yourself.

>>2051986
responded to the wrong guy, that was meant for you

Most of you are big time poor faggots

Stay mad as I pass you at 65 mph

>>2052468
>65 mph
We're talking about E-bikes anon, not electric motorcycles. E-bikes are generally limited to 20-25 mph without pedal assist and 35-40 with pedal assist.

>>2052469
I put this together for off-road use only on my property because I’m too scared of a real motorcycle on the streets but funny enough this has led me to wanting to build my own gravel bike. Trying my hand at tig and brazing but I have no clue about geometry and angles in relation to bicycle frames so who knows.

>>2051923
different anon but yes I am stupid
any tips on how to be less stupid pls?
Im sick of being dumb

>>2052468
impressively disgusting

>>2051711
>he can't control
>takes no skill to ride
which is it?

E-bikes are pathetic, and for casuals who don't know how to ride and have no love of riding. Universally hated by all. Also, I kept tabs on the e-bike commuters I see on my commute and they disappear within 6 months. Either because they realize it's dangerous, wet/cold/hot (discomfort is not for the lazy) or because their garbage bikes stopped working. E-bikes are the ultimate e-waste.

>>2052468
>can't pass me without using a motor
Oof.

>>2052499
Idk man I drill water wells on a rig from the 1950s in the south Florida heat every day and then go work out right after I’m pretty sure I can beat you in every physical metric

>>2052510
Cope harder, e-turd. I bet you have a lot of "healthy fat" too.

>>2052498
Interesting you say this, anseo in Ireland I always see the same people for about 2 years now. A lot of them very much have no love of riding it would seem but to be fair they probably had no love of driving and this was generally faster and cheaper. Feascar maith agat.

>>2052510
The drill does all the work, same as your bike

there is literally nothing wrong with ebikes, ignore every comment in this thread. they are either the schizos who hate bike infrastructure or fred dentists mad everyone isnt trying to maximize KOMs. as long as you aren't riding a surron at 40mph on the sidewalk an ebike is THE most efficient form of personal transportation ever designed (literally better than walking) and if you have a longer commute or tons of hills and it's your primary transportation it's extremely useful, if you are using a bike only as recreation or exercise then I can see why people would say an ebike is stupid because it's just not as fun to ride as a regular bike and provides little exercise but otherwise the rest is just angry cope.

If you want local governments to invest in and prioritize bike infrastructure programs then you have to be accepting of and tolerate the proliferation of e-bikes. They're going to do more to increase the popularity of cycling than anything else that has ever been added to transportation.
The alternative is you wallowing in your own smug elitism while cycling infrastructure is reverted back to being used by cars because your hobby stays too niche to warrant outside investment.
They're not good or bad. Surrons and other electric dirt bikes aren't bad either. Anything can become bad or attract bad attention or association due to their misuse and the behavior of the people using them. Which is exactly why so many people hate cyclists. Or escooters. Or mopeds. Or motorcyclists. Or cagers. Or ATV riders. And so on.

>>2052525
>c-can i be a cyclist too?
No, Milhouse.

>>2052528
>wanting to be a cyclist
My bike lane now. Go be a primitisit homosexual somewhere else, the hobo community is very accepting.

>>2052525
>literally better than walking
Anon, a standard non-ebike is also more efficient than walking. This doesn't mean anything. A bicycle for the same input energy as walking will move you 4 times as fast. If for the sake of argument your walking speed was about 3 miles per hour, for the same effort on a bike you can be expected to go about 12 miles per hour, for the effort required to jog it's closer to 20 miles per hour, without needing any batteries, without needing any charging apparatus or external power sources. The entire point of a bicycle is that they're efficient. If you want a machine that moves itself, that's fine, but at that point, why not just get a Moped or electric motorcycle instead?

I can already tell you why, and that's because you don't have a license for one, and E-bikes are literally just slow electric mopeds for people without licenses. And for some reason you retards have a tard crashout whenever someone points this out. If you wanted a machine for efficiency, you'd just use a standard bike. But you don't just want a machine for efficiency, you want a machine that can take you places fast and with little effort. And there is nothing wrong with this, but for Christs sake please stop pretending e-bikes are a replacement for real bikes, at least not anymore or less than a motorcycle is.

>>2052534
>he uses the bike lane too
Kek, the transformation into lolcow is complete.

I'm at a crossroads because I've been looking at fat tire ebikes. I really want to stick with a 26 inch wheel because of the inexpensive tires and tubes but I think I reached the limit of what I can practically carry on a light electric bike during a shopping trip.

I have a electric tricycle with great range with a basket for big items but its unstable on turns and can't fit on the sidewalk in a lot of cases.

>>2052514
Oh, you’re a retard. Sorry about that

>>2052511
Stay mad little faggot

>>2052627
Says the guy who already requires a mobility scooter.

>>2052609
> Fat tire ebikes

Why? 26" normal width wheels should be fine.

>>2051272 (OP)
these things are more like safer to use version of the slabs or e mopeds. every time i see them they move insanely fast with no effort and are a danger to everyone else on the road

>>2051272 (OP)
>burns down your house

>>2052537
> If you want a machine that moves itself, that's fine, but at that point, why not just get a Moped or electric motorcycle instead?

Ebikes don't move by themselves. Unless you live in the USA or you are a guy who ordered it on AliExpress.


I built my ebike so i can either go faster and farther with the same energy. Or i can do the same with less energy.

I TOTALLY understand the allure of bikes: to cheat the system, it's like you put in 1 and get out 100.

But the same is transferable to ebikes. You put a LTZ in my old town? Fuck you, I'm not paying for parking or for a bus. I'm getting straight in the middle of it, effortlessly, with my ebike.

>>2052766
>effortlessly
Therein lies the difference between cyclists and people on e-bikes.

>>2052767
And the problem is?

If you're fat you still have to shower with an e bike

>>2052770
Your motor vehicle not being regulated yet. You will require licensing, inspection, and insurance and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>2052772
But it is regulated already. And it's not just a motor vehicle, because it's also human powered.
I don't need a license and a plate on my horse, even though it's not propelled by myself.
As for insurance, that's another issue (or not, depends what your stance on the matter is. I have to buy an insurance every time i go skying...).

I don't get what the problem is.

>>2052773
are horses barging into apartment buildings and setting people on fire in the middle of the night? do horses routinely crash into people causing damage to property as well as injuries and the occasional fatality?

>>2052775
The crashing is a matter of how many people use a vehicle, not the vehicle per se. I live in a town where people zip around with bikes on the sidewalk and they crash into elderly people.
A lot of people use ebike because they are a very effective method of transportation, therefore there are a lot of incidents.

We (in the West) don't even have special legislations for electric cars (the fact that they can park inside ferries or in underground garages with no particular requirement is ridiculous). That's a broader problem about high capacity electric accumulators.

>>2052776
>The crashing is a matter of how many people use a vehicle, not the vehicle per se.
No not really, in my city 77% of "bike fatalities" were actually ebikes. Lots of people use normal bikes here but they're not the ones causing mass casualty events.

The car thing is just whataboutism. We can address the problems with electric cars with regulations that are applicable to electric cars, and we can address the ebike menace with regulations that are applicable to ebikes. Because ebikes are not cars any more than they are bicycles, they are a separate kind of thing that represent their own distinct kind of hazard.

>>2052778
>whataboutism
Au contraire. It's very specific. It regards electric batteries. It's a very specific type of problem.

>>2052778
It's because e-bikes appeal to casuals, who are inexperienced and dangerous. Suddenly cycling looks like fun to NPCs because they don't have to put any effort in. I'm surprised they aren't packaging e-bikes with Ozempic® subscriptions.

>>2052766
You can unironically go further on a regular bike than you can on an e-bike and bikes don't actually require much effort unless you're severely out of shape
A typical e-bike range is between 20 and 50 miles. That's nothing, that's basically a single commute for me. You want an e-bike because you're lazy, not because you want to "go further" again, if it was just about going further and/or faster then you'd just get a moped. The only reason you want an e-bike is because you don't have a license for a real electric vehicle.

>>2052786
it's very elitist of you to think that learning bike handling skills is a good idea before zooming around the city at 25mph on a contraption that you can barely understand let alone control

>>2052814
You are delusional. In the sense that you have built in your head a world populated with people which you project your narration upon.
I'm sorry for you. But at least i learnt from you that people with your attitude about this topic are just to be left alone.

thread finally died lets goooooo!!!!

>>2051701
the internet your using takes a lot of petroleum fuel to run as well as the mining to create the devices you are using to access it. Your boycott is weak and half thought out.

>>2052814
Not him but I have an e-bike with an extra battery, I get about 100km per battery and I keep the second one in a frame bag and swap them on really long rides

>>2052830
You just can't admit that you are overweight and out of shape. The reason you can't understand his perspective is because as someone of normal weight and physical fitness he can easily bike the same distance you do without breaking a sweat. You meanwhile just want the right to drive an electric motorcycle on sidewalks etc with impunity

>>2051275
>>2051277
>I LOVE TAXES

>>2051273
For real. Peds on trails probably harbor the same distain for cyclists on the road and don't see anything wrong with lumbering dead center on a 4 person wide trail. I politely notify and slowly pass people that stick to the right while yielding plenty of space to them. Anyone in the middle gets buzzed and clown honked as soon as I'm next to them. As for ebikes, the riders can be pretty annoying too. They tend to ride in herds and clog up the entire path. The type that does those is the same as the pedestrian. It doesn't help that most of them are effectively deaf past 15mph so you pretty much have to yell at them

>>2052950
This. Did 90 Km last night and could have easily done it again by the time I got home. There was once a time where this would have been a struggle for me but I worked through it and now it's nothing. Progress is something e-bikers will never experience or comprehend.

>>2051368
google how many people cars kill per day

Then, you dont have anything else to google because EBIKES DONT FUCKING KILL PEOPLE. Ya lil shit.

Ya know whats really funny? While bicycles are more dangerous per mile for the rider, it is

A) Dangerous because of CARS
B) it is STILL safer overall- due to the fact that people cycle shorter distances. And the average car trip which is a much longer ~25 miles instead of like ~2-5, cars end up with a higher mortality rate on average than bikes.