Thread 2052140

(continued from >>2035254 )
Let's discuss bike tires here.
>pic related currently using
>27.5 x 1.60 (650b x 40)
>1000 miles in
>pulled a few glass shards out
>extracted a broken glass bottle shard that was wedged 6mm in the tread at an angle
>no punctured tube
>no flat
>rolls great
>doesn't weigh as much as a Marathon Plus or Mondial
>installing them wasn't too bad either
What's your daily driver? Do you run tubed or tubeless? General thoughts, experiences of tires you've ran with?

Been riding on pirelli p zero race tlr 4s this summer and I'm liking them a lot. Toobless, of course.

Got to try some vittoria tour de france meme tires a couple weeks ago, those were nice too. All serious high end all-rounder road tires are pretty much the same to be honest. I mean yeah there's differences between stuff like a gatorskin vs a turbo cotton but I mean within the generalist category it's all pretty good, a lot of the sperging is just suggestible people reading marketing fluff, modern tires are so nice, believe me I know, I remember constantly fixing flats on those 120psi puncture magnets back in the day

>>2052140 (OP)
GP 5000 S TR on my roadbikes in 30mm and tubeless.
Maxxis Dissector and stuff like that on my trail and downhill rig. Tubeless of course.
Race kangs on my 26in shitty grocery getter with tubes

I wish Conti would make a lightweight Doublefighter.

for me it's chink tpus

Put P Zero Road 32-622 with Aerothan TPU tubes on my bike and I am pleasantly suprised. This setup is lighter than eg Conti GP5000s tubeless without all the tubeless hassle and ride feel is great.
Almost 1k so far, done a bike race and some bike packing, no issues. No flats even on some unplanned gravel paths.
TPU tubes mog the shit out of tubeless setups.

>>2052159
will try them

Currently using a pair of 29x1.95" slicks.

I want to build a new bike, but with 27.5" x 2.3" slicks, if it's even possible to find such a thing in Aliexpress.

What I actually desire are 24 x 3" but it seems almost impossible to find a combination of forks/frame/rims/tires that would be adequate.

I don't want a fat bike. I want something that has wider tires than what is available for most regular bikes, but thinner than fat bikes, which look horrible.

>>2052159
I have a bunch of never-used TPU inner tubes. They're just sitting in a drawer until I get some tetrahydrofuran, which is the only solvent that can properly weld them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqoF6mARpg

>>2052170
i ran these as well but they didn't hold pressure nearly as well, and the included patch didn't seal a puncture

>>2052159
I did something very wrong, didn't I? It held 60 psi for a night and then went poof before I got to ride it in the morning. There's a crease of thin material going almost all the way around from these bulges.

>>2052159
yeah, they're great

>>2052180
if you have kevlar or other super tight bead, your levers can fuck tpus up on installation. I had a lot of problems with that until I realized what was going on, because my first experience with tpu was also my first kevlar bead. switching to Pedros levers made those problems go away.

>>2052171
what you have seems plenty fat.
tell me about that front sus, does it actually do anything?

Just thought I'd give an update, it's me from the last thread, I bought some gator skins for my commuter because I was fed up with punctures.

Anyway, still no punctures, it's been months or maybe longer, I can't remember exactly when I bought them, but they get me to and from work, about 16 miles a day through glass strewn streets and thorny canal paths, and they still didn't let me down.

not the fastest, not the comfiest, certainly not the lightest and they aren't as stylish as my michelins, but they do what they say they do.

still running GP5ks with tpu in 28mm on my fast bike and loving it. would go 30 but no clearance on the brake bridge.
utility bike still doing Panaracer Pasela PT s in 630 x 32 (27" x 1¼”) with butyl tubes. no complaints, they're nice.

>>2052232
It's not mine, it's my fatspo

>>2052238
Also this

>have used gatorskins for years because of commuting, installed new ones back in april after 4k miles on the old pair, they were a great price only like $60 for a pair
>pass 1,000 miles with no flats
>for some reason it decides to rain, in august, for the first time since spring
>within a few miles of riding, i get a flat on my rear tire and pull out a small sliver of metal that got into the tire
>rotate tires, the rear one seems to be more beat up that normal with small deep holes and even a few long ones, where i used rubber cement and super glue to try to seal them back up

im a little concerned, because usually like i mentioned i get around 4k miles in a few years before needing to change them. i wonder if its just a coincidence that all summer dry riding never had any flats, then literally the first day of rain, within a few miles this metal got in there.

>>2052248
Wet and thus lubed up metal puncure more easily

>>2052248
completely normal, rain is overall just a huge PITA from a bike maintenance perspective, why do you think so many people don't like riding in the rain? if it was just about getting wet I'd prefer rain rides but it ends up taking so much time and money you eventually start to recoil at the thought of more bullshit

>>2052248

if you absolutely must ride in the rain and have no other choice the best thing to do in the wet is lock your brakes up and bunny hop there and baxk. If possible attach some kind of grippy protection to the bottom of your tyres, I use sneaker soles held on with cable ties, this also gives a better bounce and makes the bunnyhops more efficient.

>>2052293
>>2052295
>>2052312
this never has happened to me before, i dont think ive ever gotten a flat riding in the rain before (like i said, always ride gatorskins, i know everyone here hates them, but for me the grip has been fine, and the puncture resistance and long lasting tire is worth the sacrifices). this was just such a weird occurrence, going a thousand miles dry no problem, then the first rain in months, literally 2 miles in and i get a flat. and what was even weirder is that a few minutes before leaving, i put some more air into the tires too to top it to 110 psi.

i figure maybe it was one of those situations where it was a shoulder bike lane, but a wide one (so it wasnt like i was crushed into a 3 inch bike lane in a gutter against a hillside or something), and maybe with the rain, some crap got washed into it and thats how i ran over it

on sunday a few days ago i rode this same path again, dry weather, and had no issues. probably just a fluke.

>>2052326
there was a point back in my cyclo commute days when I got deep slashes from glass or debris on 3 rain rides in a row and I ragequit the rain rides. maybe it was bad luck but I know now that rain flats are a known phenomenon. I took the train on rain days after that.

back in those days I was on 700x25 so hey maybe things have changed now that I'm on bigger fatter tires with latex inside but if I can avoid rain I will. I've been caught out in storms a number of time and it's always a guilty pleasure, and I've never had a rain flat since, but it's so ingrained now that I will never start a ride anymore knowing I'm going to experience significant rainfall.

>>2052343
coincidentally i ride on 700x25cs as well

What's a good sealant brand when setting up for tubeless?

>>2052454
I use orange seal because it's the most readily available so when I need to top up I don't have to purge the whole tire

Basically it's all pretty good except there's one israeli brand which I won't use. I'm sure they're nice people and not directly, personally responsible for any genocidal activities by their government, but why risk it

can confirm that there is a direct correlation with rain and puncture frequency

living as i do in the uk i got plenty of data and real life experience to draw upon, and after more than 12 years of almost dailt cycling, to and from school, commuting and pleasure riding, i never had a puncture on a dry day, but i had scores of them in wet conditions.

that's just a fact

Gatorskins, 28 front 32 rear for the shit roads here. No complaints although ignorance is bliss. Also, they last forever... I think I'm at 5 years now, minimum of 30km per day and the wear indicators still look like new. Gonna try something else when the time comes though.

>>2052140 (OP)
I'm bored so I'm gonna sperg, first with 700c roadie rubber
>gp5k (25)
weirdly soft sidewalls, sketchy traction esp in wet, poor build quality
>gp5k s tr (25)
solves all of my problems with gp5k
>pirelli p zero race tlr (28, 32)
good shit, haven't ridden these as much as I would like yet
>veloflex anything
so fucking fast and comfy for skinny tires. puncture resistance isn't half bad for what they are
>specialized tarbo cotton ("25"s that are really 23)
good but prone to tread separation because vittoria can't into gluing their open tubulars properly
>vittoria open corsa evo (23, 25)
not quite as good as the tarbo cotton, same problem with tread separation
>vittoria zaffiro (28)
more like slowfiro lol. good training tires tho. good puncture resistance and traction
>gravelkangz (28 slick)
slow as fuck, somehow gets absolutely fucked by the flinty shit we have everywhere
>pasela pt (25, 28, 32)
kinda okay at everything, used to be the best value in tires but at $50 per, nope, not when there are tires that do everything better
>gatormemes (28)
I know two people who have gotten busted collarbones from them losing traction in the wet. Had them on one bike and would constantly spin the rear when riding in the wet. fuckem
(cont.)

cont. with dirt rubbers
>simworks homage (26 x 1.95)
love em
>schwalbe kojak folding (26 x I forget)
slow as fuck, no wet traction at all, no puncture protection
>panaracer fire pro xc (26 x 2.1)
great traction on all kinds of durt but very slow
>schwalbe g-one bite (40c)
good for hardpack dry gravel, trash for loose, dangerously bad on wet dirt. slow
>rene herse steliacoomer extralite (38c)
fast, comfy, great traction in all conditions, barely more puncture resistance than a butyl tube
>schwalbe rocket ron + thunder burt (29 x 2.1)
fast as fuck, great monstercross or xtra-wide gravel tire
>schwalbe magic mary (29 x 2.4)
wonderful all-rounders
>maxxis ardent exo tr (29 x 2.4)
meh all-rounders

I use Schwalbe Durano (25) on my Summer commuting road bike. On my Winter commuter I use Schwalbe Marathon Surpreme, although I can't recommend them.
On my gravel bikepacking bike, which I ride the most distance on, I ride Rene Herse Hatcher Pass (48) picrel

>>2052552
are you using the extralights?

>>2052159
Yeah, they’re good

>>2052454
The new silca stuff lasts way longer before drying out than anything else I’ve tried, it lasted 5 months in the hot, dry Vegas heat before needing a refill with only 2 oz of sealant

Thoughts?

https://www.tannus.co.uk/pages/tannus-armour-installation

>>2052617
I bet it's squishy. I had solid tough "foam" tire once and it felt like I was always riding through mud

>>2052140 (OP)
expensive tires are a scam. cheap ones can take any weather conditions but the expensive high end contis developed cracks just from being stored outside in the winter. but got to give them that despite the grim looks they have not exploded yet and are perfectly usable

>>2049171
So, it happened AGAIN. I can blame the tarmac, I can blame Panaracer, I can blame my riding style, I can blame my non-existing puncture protection, I can blame the dogshit rubber, I can blame the LBS, I can praise inner tube's effort but the truth is it's simply not enough. Protection, determination, performance in wet or dry, UV resistance you name it, it all stinks.

Don't get me wrong, I still have full faith in the tire and the tube, but MASSIVE reinforcements are desperately needed right fucking now. Otherwise I'm not very optimistic about the next season, or stopping punctures getting #3 for that matter. Not riding like this. What do you think, /btg/?
Pic very much related.

>>2052676
>stored outside in the winter
why would you do that

>>2052744
Tyres are a consumable.
They are designed to have a limited life, whether you wear them out through riding or not.

Tyre companies like all businesses need you coming back for replacements ASAP.

>>2052754
well thats where i use it and carrying it in and out all the time is not so fun. never seen anything like that happen before

Guess I'm getting new tires

>>2052744
that tire is dry-rotted to fuck and back. paselas aren't that good to begin with and that particular tire is fucked
>>2053228
that sucks, did some asshole fuck it with a knife?

Looking at belt drive / internal hub bikes atm. The Cube Hyde Pro has..
>Shimano Nexus hub
>Alu frame
>Shimano Alfine shifters and disc brakes
>carbon fork
There is an more expensive version that comes with lights, a rack, and mudguards etc. There is also the old version still available to buy, where I think the only difference is that it does not have a carbon fork, but it's significantly cheaper.
Question: Are there any red flags with these components?

>>2053332
Don't get a Cube, Canyon, or a Factor.

>>2053332
Big Apple are decent, but you could always do better. Especially so if you decided not to buy a whole new bike just for the tyres.

>>2053357
Why is that?
>>2053363
What? I don't currently have a bike

>>2053328
>paselas aren't that good to begin with
I've been running them for 5 years or so now. they seem fine. good, even.

>>2053364
They all have terrible customer service, and spotty reputations for quality control.

>>2053332
sir, this is the tire thread

>>2053373
As a canyon owner I love to bash canyon because they're utterly soulless bikes, but one of the reasons these consumer direct bikes get such a dedicated crowd of haters is that you kind of have to become your own bike shop so whatever obnoxious shit your local specialized dealer puts up with, is on you as a customer of canyon etc.

>>2053373
What to get instead? I'm almost closing on a Cube Attain C:62 for €1699

>>2053375
Upon further inspection, I think you're right

>>2053384
have you ridden it?
a c6001 belt bike is like riding through molasses

Anyone use these? I've never seen them before

Can someone explain to me the difference between cheap, mid and high end tires? And in non ominous terms like "with cheap tires you can't feel the road"

Tyres are the most important component on any bike. Being the interface between bike and the Earth the right tyre will transform performance and ride quality in ways that no other component can. If you skimp on tyres you're literally fucking yourself in the arse.

A cheap bike, assuming everything is set up correctly, with superb tyres will ride nicely, a top end bike with shite tyres will ride like shite. It's astonishing how many people you see riding £3k+ bikes with £15 tyres.

Like wearing clogs for a football match.

>>2054466
I have cheap tyres and can feel the road very well. Although I choose not to as I don't like getting road debris on my fingers

>>2054466
>cheap
heavy, roll slowly, less than great handling and traction, decent puncture protection, unpleasant to ride, often crazy overbuilt to prevent issues like dry rot because they're sold to people who don't give a fuck about bikes and thus need to be able to withstand neglect so that the manufacturer/retailer doesn't get sued
>midrange
lighter, rolls faster, better handling and traction, usually better puncture protection, little loss of durability
>high end
built for particular use cases, sacrificing anything unrelated. race tires that are as light as can be, roll very fast, and handle well, but have fuckall puncture protection or durability. or trekking tires that don't get punctured and last 15,000 miles but roll like shit and are harsh riding. with mtb tires it goes deeper into the weeds, with specific tires for specific types of terrain

>>2052248
this anon reporting back a month and a few weeks later. ive gone almost 700 miles since this incident and no flats

>be out of cycling for a few years
>nobody sells decent 23mm tires anymore

fuck this meme industry

>>2055279
the entire pro peloton is on 28s, except one or two guys on 25s. what do you want 23s to do that 25s won't?

>>2055282
no clearance for 25 or bigger

>>2055283
ah, shit.
that does suck.

>>2055283
Conti and maybe other brands tend to run small.
my GP5ks in 28 are 26 on my rims when I busted out the calipers and I've heard people online say they run narrow.

>>2055283
what if I told you that five years from now tires will be close to frictionless while feeling as compliant and plush as full-suspension MTBs are now

>>2055287
That's what Speed Kings on TPU tubes feel like.

>>2055279
lolwut
you can get veloflex, various contis from gatormemes to gp5ks, a whole bunch of schwalbes from marathons to pro ones, panaracer paselas, etc. wouldn't be shocked if the 622-24 vittorias and pirellis fit because they tend to run narrow even on modern width rims

>>2055299
I recently got a new MTB and went tubeless with sidewall-supporting inserts. it is absolutely bonkers. I had to ride my old 29er at 25psi to avoid destroying rims. this thing? 15psi is the starting point and in theory you can run zero (0) without compromising corpse-profile/sidewall geometry. I'll be putting them in every tire I install for the rest of my life and I want a road bike version. you just get an infinitely supple infinitely fast tire at the cost of a little bit of extra install effort. if I ever manage to flat one (doubtful) I may change my tune because I think you have to pull the insert to install a get-home tube...

Can someone please explain to me why roadies are in love with Vittoria? They seem kinda mid when you look at the test results on BRR, and yet they're quite expensive. Is it just that they're italian and italian shit is cool? Is it "the pros do it so it must be good"? Or is BRR not measuring something important?

>>2055335
yeah I felt that way when I first tried those inserts

you'll realize why they're not popular the first time you have to remove a tire with them on

>>2055824
BRR's test only measures hysteresis, which naturally leads it to tell people that narrower tires at higher pressures have less rolling resistance. But that doesn't translate to real-world performance, since at some point you reach an impedance breakpoint where higher pressures cause the tire to bounce up and down, which drastically increases rolling resistance, lowers grip, and makes the bike much more tiresome to ride. The rougher the surface, the faster you reach that breakpoint. That's where having wider more supple tires (on wider rims, rim width and how it affects the tire's shape is also important) helps and why the pros are now riding tubeless 28s or even 30s at lower pressures on tarmac. Tubulars are dead tech now btw

More reading: https://silca.cc/blogs/silca/part-4b-rolling-resistance-and-impedance

As for Vittoria, they just make decent tires and yeah, have that Italian name despite being made in Thailand. That's why real italoboo roadies run Veloflex, which came about when Vittoria left Italy

>>2055832
>tubulars are dead tech now btw
big W

>>2055832
I had a pair of veloflex once and they were great tires

it appears they went out of business though

I suck so much ass as patching tubes. I had a dozen of them that I’ve saved over the years, bought the good quality rema patches, got the big can of tire rubber cement. I’m doing everything you’re supposed to, sanding it, putting on the cement in a big area, letting it dry, doing the patch, and most of them still fail, especially right on the edge of the orange border or a tiny pinhole in that orange border that fucks it up. I’m so tired of it

>>2056001
I haven't patched a tube since I was a kid. When I bike commuted I just tossed the tube. Now that I'm on tubeless i haven't even used a worm in like 12k miles

>>2056001
Sanding the area does pecieely dick so I went over to just cleaning the area with hexane solvent(lighter fluid would be close iirc).
It baleets the release agent on it and makes patches stick real good.

>>2056001
>right on the edge of the orange border
try leaving the plastic film on rather than peeling it off.

>>2052483
>living as i do in the uk i got plenty of data and real life experience to draw upon, and after more than 12 years of almost dailt cycling, to and from school, commuting and pleasure riding, i never had a puncture on a dry day, but i had scores of them in wet conditions.
But we also have the reality to draw upon, that is we let a little rain put us off cycling we wouldn't cycle at all for half the year.

>>2055335
Hmmm ive been running 29x2.6 at 15 psi or less, no inserts… am i fuckkng up my rims?

>>2056070
if you aren't getting pinch flats you probably aren't getting pinch-dings either. 2.6 on new-ish rims is MUCH higher volume than my crappy old 29er on stock rims w/ 17mm inner on 29x2.2 so I would expect lower pressure just for that reason. you're probably fine.

>>2056070
I can run 27.5x2.4 at 11 front 14 rear, rigid fork no suspension, and that's about where I bottom out hitting a curb and almost pinch flat. I did a 3 feet jump off onto a sharp ledge and bent the rim a bit and had to repair it but that's because I'm being stupid on my bike. You'll be alright with 29x2.6 at 15, I'll even go as far and say if you were as a twink lightweight like me on a setup like that less than 10psi might even work. The new trend is lowest pressure possible without the sidewall buckling

>>2055856
Damn, they did, a year ago even. That really sucks

>>2056027
i did the same forever, but instead of tossing i just kept them in a box. then i decided to try patching them instead of buying new ones for $4-6 each. a decent number work, but more than i would like just fuck up.
>>2056064
huh maybe. although i do the "fold in the middle" where theres intentionally a plastic perforation to peel it out rather than pulling off at the corners.

tfw bought a set of p-zeros and they feel like ass compared to the gp5ks i had on before

>>2055856
they what? Damn shame, I had their 23mm tubulars and it was comfier than my cheapo ultra sport.

>>2056089
>>2056355
I think the problem is they didn't charge enough. they were selling them like they were gp4k when the market was hungry for a high end supple tire. they were in fact a high end tire but they didn't advertise and they were cheap so freds dismissed them

I need recommendations for 26x1.95 or 2.1 tires. I keep seeing Maxxis DTH or Billy Bonkers, are these any good for daily commutes on and off-road (gravel)? Are there any hidden gem (cheaper) alternatives? Or should I just go for contact urbans?

>>2057327
From Personal experience, Billies are great for road and gravel use. And they are relatively light.

>>2057329
Almost forgot: Conti Double Fighters aren't exactly a hidden gems, they are quite popular, but they are great all-rounders.
They are considerably heavier than Billies, though.

>>2057327
wingfoot
kicker
twinrail

vittoria evolution or marathon mondial if you want more of a street/touring tire

>>2055283
Lmao
Take a Dremel to your frame and fork. Those areas are duper overbuilt anyways.

Can't fit 28mm or 32mm lmao I hate road.bikes and roadies even more

>>2052744
a fellow /n/ato supremacist?
a /uhg/ bloodthirster?

>>2057549
>dremel
Hello crackhead

>>2055283
>tfw
I'm really considering selling my bike because I really want to use 28mm tires.

>>2057574
the industry flips between 23 and 28 every ~7 years specifically to sell new bikes to retards. ss this post and check back in 2030, you'll be seething.

>>2052140 (OP)
Riding to work, got flat tire. Have my little pump with me. Should I ride back home slowly to put less pressure on it or can I ride normally? I know I’ll be pumping it constantly but still curious.

>>2057602
judging by the timestamp you're home by now, but I was going to say if you patch the tube (or trade out the tube for a fresh one) you can pump it up and ride normally, although some mini pumps have trouble pumping high pressure like for road tires, so I would take it easy on any rough stuff or lean into sharp turns.
it sounds like you have a slow leak that you weren't going to patch and just pump again at intervals, in which case I'd baby it a little and check it a lot at first until you have an idea how often you need to fill it.
anyway, how'd it go?

>>2057609
>lean into sharp turns
*don't lean hard I mean

>>2057574
Lets see your aleged bike.

My Marathon Mondial have reached 10k km, never had a flat and only show minor wear. Will probably do another 10k just fine.
Only issue is that they are heavy as fuck and roll mediocre.

>>2057936
They're built for long distance touring/commuting, not breaking benchmark times.
If you want the contrary, use GP5000 or similar, but know that they won't be as resilient.