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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/us-citizenship-denaturalization-trump-memo

> A justice department memo directing the department’s civil division to target the denaturalization of US citizens around the country has opened up an new avenue for Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda, experts say.

> In the US, when a person is denaturalized, they return to the status they held before becoming a citizen. If someone was previously a permanent resident, for example, they will be classified as such again, which can open the door to deportation efforts.

> The memo, published on 11 June, instructed the justice department’s civil division to “prioritize and maximally pursue denaturalization proceedings in all cases permitted by law and supported by the evidence”. Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.

> Muzaffar Chishti from the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan thinktank, explained that much of immigration law was based on discretion by government officials. To revoke a person’s citizenship, US officials must demonstrate that they are not of “good moral character” – a subjective and broad term with little defined parameters.

> Now, the recent memo lists a broad range of categories of people who should be stripped of their naturalized citizenship status, providing further guidance as to who is not of good “moral character”. This included “those with a nexus to terrorism” and espionage, war criminals and those who were found to have lied in their naturalization process. Officials still need to prove their case, Chisthi explained.

>>1417347 (OP)
> “[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi. “Denaturalization finally does belong to federal district courts – but they are obviously keen on finding every way they can to denaturalize people they think did not deserve to be naturalized.”

> However, the justice department’s memo is not solely confined to those expanded categories. It gives more discretion to officials to pursue these cases, prompting a fear for analysts and attorneys that the directive by the Trump administration is overly broad.

> For Jorge Loweree, director of policy for the American Immigration Council, a new category in the memo stood out to him: individuals accused of being gang and cartel members.

> Loweree is concerned “because of the way that the administration has treated people that it deems to be gang members”, he said. “It wasn’t that long ago that the administration flew hundreds of people from the US to a prison in El Salvador on, in most instances, flimsy evidence.”

> Although the memo marks an escalation by the Trump administration it is not entirely news, and in recent decades, other nations have also engaged in seeking to strip citizenship from certain people.

> Denaturalization in the US has a long history. Throughout the 20th century, those seen by the US government as potential enemies to US interests were stripped of their citizenship. Journalists, activists and labor leaders, accused of being anarchists and communists, were frequently targeted.

>>1417348
> Politically driven denaturalization fell off in the late 1960s, when the US supreme court ruled that denaturalization could only take place if someone was found to have committed fraud or “willful misrepresentation”, as USA Today explained earlier this year, leading to a lull in denaturalization cases. Denaturalization categories were narrowed, with cases focusing mostly on former war criminals, such as Nazis, who had lied in their documents to gain status in the US.

> In recent decades, starting under the Obama administration, the US government escalated its denaturalization efforts. Matthew Hoppock, an immigration attorney based in Kansas who follows and analyzes immigration policies closely, said that the Obama-era enforcement efforts were limited to specific cases. The operation, called Operation Janus, began reviewing fingerprint cards to determine whether naturalized citizens had lied during their citizenship process.

> Through 2017, Hoppock, who accessed denaturalization data, found “it’s about 10 to 15 cases a year that they bring nationwide,” adding that “those were typically human rights abusers, Nazi guards, and cases like that.”

> The first Trump administration marked a significant uptick in denaturalization efforts. The Department of Homeland Security at the time stood on the shoulders of the Obama-era operation, supercharging it to strip citizenship from people accused of cheating in the process of applying for citizenship as a foreign-born individual. The administration’s goal at the time was to examine 700,000 files but, as Hoppock states, due to the high cost and time-consuming nature of the cases, the administration barely made a dent.

>>1417349
> But as Chisthi further explains, much about the first Trump administration’s anti-immigration agenda was only a “dress rehearsal” for policies being pursued this year. Now, under the second Trump administration, denaturalizing people has risen up the priority list.

> Meanwhile, the terrorist attacks on the US on September 11, 2001 radically changed how many countries dealt with national security efforts and other countries also began to explore the denaturalization of certain people.

> According to research from the analysis organization Global Citizenship Observatory, or Globalcit, based in Italy, and the Institute of Statelessness and Inclusion (ISI), based in the Netherlands, between 2000 and 2020, citizenship revocation expanded dramatically in some countries, especially in Europe, and especially for minority groups. During this period, 18 countries in Europe, researchers found, expanded their denaturalization powers in the name of national security and counter-terrorism.

> A report from the European University Institute’s Global Citizenship Observatory, published this year, highlighted certain countries with broad and ambiguous denaturalization laws. In Bulgaria, for example, a person’s citizenship could be stripped for “serious crimes against the country.” And in Vietnam, acts that “harm the country’s prestige” are also grounds for revocation.

> There have been recent shifts in certain countries, related to denaturalization cases. In Latvia, citizenship can be revoked if the person serves in the security or armed forces of another country. However, in 2022, amid the war caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, an exception was introduced to allow Latvians to fight for Ukraine.

Amazing how the Democrats want to let tens of millions of people in illegally, but then they suddenly want due process for gang members because of one or two false positives

>>1417351
Not done, chill

>>1417350
> Just this year, the report says, the Swedish government recommended a constitutional shift that could revoke a person’s citizenship due to “threatening national security”. In Germany, some political parties discussed the push to revoke citizenship for “supporters of terrorism, antisemites, and extremists”. And Hungary introduced a constitutional amendment to allow the temporary suspension of citizenship on “security grounds”.

> As the European University Institute’s report highlighted, last year, Kuwait introduced amendments that would revoke citizenship of people who were involved in fraudulent conduct, crimes involving “moral turpitude” or where the state’s interests are deemed at risk. more than 42,000 people reportedly lost their citizenship, the report says.

> “We’ve seen dictators use the taking-away-of-citizenship as a way to control a population or bend people to their will,” Hoppock said. “I don’t know if the Trump administration is going to use it this way. This memo is pretty milquetoast – it just says we don’t really have any priorities any more.”

> But, Hoppock added, the new memo is a huge departure from past efforts. “Unfortunately it could be abused by a system that likes to go after its adversaries,” he said.

>>1417351
it's amazing how low you stoop for a job

>>1417352
> All experts told the Guardian that resources will be a major factor in the Trump administration’s push to revoke some people’s citizenship. Already, the federal government’s resources are stretched thin, for a variety of reasons.

> “The most important thing is: how much resources is the administration going to put into it, to target prosecutions?” Chisthi asks. “And that will determine whether this will mostly be an exercise in getting a lot of people anxious or actually producing outcomes of denaturalizations.”

> Loweree is wary.

> “Resource constraints would be a significant limiting factor in this type of thing,” he said. “But we have seen the administration do anything and everything it can to pursue its immigration agenda, in all instances,” he said.

Alrighty, done.

THANKS FOR POSTING THE ARTICLE TEXT OP

>>1417353
It’s really not. You should realize that there’s no low to which they won’t sink by now.

>>1417347 (OP)
>Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.
Guess they don't get due process either if that's true.
It's civil

>>1417347 (OP)
>To revoke a person’s citizenship, US officials must demonstrate that they are not of “good moral character” – a subjective and broad term with little defined parameters.
There are a few posters on this board who are not of "good moral character".

>>1417357
That’s not how that works.

>>1417347 (OP)
related >>1417372
>>1417355
Also this

>>1417351
Amazing how "constitutionalist" republicans are willing to disregard the constitution just to get rid of brown people. You're all hypocrites and phonies.

>>1417401
They never cared about the constitution or the debt, it's always been a cover to try and undo civil rights laws up to and including brown v. board of education.

>>1417347 (OP)
>ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE A MASSIVE PROBLEM! THAT'S WHAT OUR PROBLEMS WITH, WHY DON'T THEY COME LEGALLY?!?
>Oh btw if you came legally we're gonna strip you of your citizenship so we can pretend you've been illegal the whole time

>>1417401
They disregarded due process by entering our country illegally, I don't see why someone who isn't an American gets the benefit of American due process when they disregarded due process to get here

>>1417404
>>1417367

>>1417404
because that's playground logic; the constitution ensures due process regardless of how X person arrived in tbe country

>>1417401
See >>1417404
Laws are just words on paper. They only have power so long as everybody agrees. Get enough illegals breaking the law in a single place and the rule of law no longer applies because the sheer number of people who don't obey the law outnumbers those that do.
That's also why American conservatives are so ineffective. They stand on principle, worship the law and believe that everybody will come around to their way of thinking eventually as the country burns down around them, why trying to shift the burden of protecting their country to the political class. But both the legal system and government is filled with politicians who hate conservatives.
The sole purpose of the law is to protect the innocent citizens of a nation. If a judge says you need to be patient and considerate of rapists, murderers and invaders, and the outcome of that ruling is more violent criminals hurting innocent citizens, then the law is useless.

>>1417412
>then the law is useless.
That's the idea: create the conditions necessary for a class revolution

>>1417412
The sheer lack of self-awareness you people display is simply staggering.

>>1417416
>haha look at me we're the revolution
>oh shit oh fuck what do you mean they're deporting us that's against the rules
Shut up traitor.

>>1417417
>traitor
>>1417416

>>1417418
Washington made exceptions for the french and the whiskey rebellion. Your side makes exceptions for an invading force.
My outgroup is your ingroup. And so it goes.

>>1417421
>invading force.
Oh god someone save us from this invasion of people so desperate to join this country they'll work long hard labor while severely underpaid and exploited. It's too much.

>>1417421
>muh invasion
You can repeat this meme as much as you want, it’s still not going to be true.

>>1417401
>Amazing how "constitutionalist" republicans are willing to disregard the constitution just to get rid of brown people. You're all hypocrites and phonies.
It has nothing to do with "brown people," which Republicans are quite okay with. It's specifically about suppressing speech critical of jewish power.

>>1417404
Elvis Presley's manager Col. Tom Parker. Did he have the right to live in the US?
I bet there are illegal non-POC in the US. Look to your own First Lady, Trumptards. If she can stay, therefore ALL immigrants can. If the latter can't, neither can Melania. That's how it works, you see.
All those illegal white Europeans who built Trump Tower. I bet they're not the only whites who are in the US illegally. Andreas Cornelis van Kuijk was one.

>>1417428
>If she can stay, therefore ALL immigrants can.
There's a special irony in MAGAfags screeching that unpatriotic naturalized citizens and the children of naturalized citizens should be deported.

deport trumps anchor family

>>1417428
>That's how it works, you see.
Trump is only in office for another three years. You're retarded if you think any of this is about following Trump.

>>1417423
>they're just saying viva la reconquista and viva la raza bro it's not like they're trying to-ACK

>>1417347 (OP)
AshkeNAZI Stephen Muller aka Peewee German would like to send every black person back to Africa. Create a new country there and send them all back. Insane. What Herr Muller has to do is create a white ethic country out of the states with the highest percentage of white people Vermont (91.43%)
West Virginia (97.12%)
Maine
New Hampshire

>>1417404
>X group does not get due process
>get accused of being in X
>can't prove that you aren't in X because no due process
I think there's some confusion over what due process is. It's about making sure that evidence is compiled, presented, and argued in a fair court. Without due process, accusations are enough to get you booted. Piss off an undercover ICE agent? Your ass is on the next one way trip to Sudan. It's not about protecting aliens, it's about protecting citizens. Aliens must be protected so that citizens are protected.

>>1417442
lol whatever I am white, respect Trump, and respect Jesus. They ain't deporting me. The only people who have to be worried about deportations are the people who shouldn't be here to begin with and the leafs squatting on our land up north.

>>1417442
Exactly. Either everyone gets due process or nobody does.

>>1417442
>muh due process
Naturalization requires you to renounce any ties to fascist, communist, or otherwise totalitarian movements.
If you were given citizenship after knowingly lying on the naturalization form, you've committed fraud. Which also means your citizenship is forfeit. This has happened numerous times.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States
Even besides that, violent criminals need to be exiled regardless if they were naturalized citizens or not. If you're going to be on team 'defend rapists' then you're a fucking idiot who also needs to be exiled.

>>1417446
>Naturalization requires you to renounce any ties to fascist
>If you're going to be on team 'defend rapists' then you're a fucking idiot who also needs to be exiled.
>>1417416

>>1417446
What's to stop them from accusing native citizens of being a fraudulent-naturalized citizens and shipping them off? Even if you're carrying a notarized birth certificate on you, proving you were born in the US to American parents, they don't have an obligation to check it if there is no due process. And many of them won't, because they have deportation quotas to meet.

>>1417452
>What's to stop them from accusing native citizens of being a fraudulent-naturalized citizens and shipping them off?
see >>1417443

>>1417452
Trump isn't going to do that. I trust him. I trust the cops. They will do what is necessary to finally clean up this nation and Make America Great Again.

>>1417451
The opinions of women who fantasize about rape and NYC judges matters little.
>>1417452
>What's to stop them from accusing native citizens of being a fraudulent-naturalized citizens and shipping them off?
They're following the law, in contrast to redditors who make up conspiracy theories about Trump killing migrants for peer validation.

>>1417453
Yeah man just tell them you like Jesus, that'll definitely work.
Fucking christ you people are retarded.

>>1417457
lol that won't save you. Without oversight "following the law" means doing whatever they want and claiming it was legal retroactively.

>>1417462
>"following the law" means doing whatever they want
The Supreme Court agrees with Trump more often than not.

>>1417463
Gee I wonder why? Perhaps it's because he appointed 3 of them and of the 6 conservatives the 2 of the other ones are OPENLY CORRUPT?

>>1417441
>white ethic country
>ethic
A country with no white rightards.
Preferably the US

>>1417464
Why do you care about the government following the law when you obviously distrust the highest court in the country

>>1417493
There are currently six Catholic justices on the Supreme Court. Not a good representation of the country's demographics.

>>1417493
Because the law was not originally made by a bunch of corrupt judges, no matter how much they pervert it.

>>1417509
So you don't respect the authority of the courts?

>>1417510
The current supreme court is openly corrupt and any rulings made by the 6 conservative majority cannot be trusted on account of how at least 2 of them are bought.

>>1417511
Their job is to literally tell us what the law is, and you trust the law, but not the courts?

>>1417516
Maybe Clarence Thomas can pick you up in his $500000 RV bought and paid for by billionaire elites.

>>1417402
Dems like you pretending you care about the constitution now, after everything. like hot fudge and ice cream.

>>1417520
Maybe you can just admit that your appeals to authority are retarded because none of the institutions of power agree with you.

>>1417520
People with money are genetically and dispositionally superior. We as a society should welcome our leaders being swayed by money, as that allows for the ubermensch to more directly influence our lives.

>>1417422
>from this invasion of people so desperate to join this country they'll work long hard labor while severely underpaid and exploited.
no wonder illegals suck so bad that they're willing to let megacorporations run circles around them at the speed of a bullet train and make turbo slaves out of them.

Maybe the people themselves (not illegals specifically but everyone from down the border) are the problem. Just a thought. anyway get fucked lmao

>>1417529
>Me when I deport the primary hard labor workforce and now groceries cost double

>>1417543
As long as they deport the mexican chad fucking the shit out of the local shills mother they'll be fine with it.
Then the tone will change to wanting to deport whatever group their mothers next boyfriend belongs to

>>1417543
turns out when you pay a fair wage things are more expensive.
who would have thought?

>>1417716
>who would have thought?
Not Donald J. Trump, that's for sure.

How much more would Elvis Presley have had in terms of wealth if he had an actual US citizen as a managr instead of the illegal immigrant shyster Col. Tom Parker?
>>1417716
How much would Trump Tower have cost if a shyster had to pay well above minimum wage - with benefits - white American citizens instead of illegal immigrants?
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/rubio-campaign-press-release-fact-check-donald-trump-used-illegal-immigrants-build-trump

>>1417716
lol you think this is a wage issue? Produce is rotting in the fields retard; turns out people really don't want to do long hours of literally back breaking labor if they don't have to, and the main people who have a reason to are immigrants trying to support coming to this country.

This is literally how it works like, worldwide btw; immigrants fill labor positions because they're willing to do the hard work to move to a new country. Most countries' farming industries are primarily staffed by migrants.

>>1417411
Anon, you're arguing with a moron that does not understand why the right is needed. All context is criminal regardless of variance to him.

>>1417430
>Trump is only in office for another three years.
You're funny.

>>1417442
>>1417444
>>1417452
Due process isn't for criminals, it's for the innocent. If Trump says that you broke the law, then you probably broke the law, simple as. Why do you deserve rights?

>>1418117
>if this convicted felon says you broke the law, then you probably broke the law
Why did you believe him?

>>1418117
How the fuck do you determine if someone is innocent or not without due process? You people have baby brains. It reminds me of the recursive argument you always get with these idiots:

>Trump makes claim
>supporters pick it up
>opponents ask for proof
>supporters point to Trump's original statement
>opponents ask for proof
>supporters point to Trump's original statement

...

>>1418121
>How the fuck do you determine if someone is innocent or not without due process?
If Trump says they're guilty, they're guilty. Man has a good head on his shoulders for this. I trust him and so should you.

>>1418119
Why do you trust Biden's kangaroo courts over Trump? Trump is an honest man and only person who looks out for our people.

>>1418122
Biggest joke post on the board today.

>>1417745

Then I guess having tomatoes in December isn't worth it, if it means allowing a bazillion illegal aliens into the country.

>>1418274
It isn't worth it anyway, off-season produce always tastes like ass.