Thread 1430749

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alligator-alcatraz-shutdown-cost-florida-218-million-rcna227980

ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida could be on the hook for $218 million the state spent to convert a remote training airport in the Everglades into an immigration detention center dubbed " Alligator Alcatraz."

The center may soon be completely empty as a judge upheld her decision late Wednesday ordering operations to wind down indefinitely.

Shutting down the facility for the time being would cost the state $15 million to $20 million immediately, and it would cost another $15 million to $20 million to reinstall structures if Florida is allowed to reopen it, according to court filings by the state.

The Florida Division of Emergency Management will lose most of the value of the $218 million it has invested in making the airport suitable for a detention center, a state official said in court papers.

Florida signed at least $405 million in vendor contracts, AP analysis shows

Built in just a few days, the facility consists of chain-link cages surrounding large white tents filled with rows of bunk beds.

An Associated Press analysis of publicly available state spending data showed that Florida has signed at least $405 million in vendor contracts to build and operate the facility, which officials had initially estimated would cost $450 million a year to run. A previous AP review found that as of late July, the state had already allocated at least $245 million to run the site, which opened July 1.

President Donald Trump toured the facility last month and suggested it could be a model for future lockups nationwide as his administration races to expand the infrastructure needed to increase deportations.

The center has been plagued by reports of unsanitary conditions and detainees being cut off from the legal system.

Center faces several legal challenges

It's also facing several legal challenges, including one that U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams ruled on late Wednesday. She denied requests to pause her order to wind down operations, after agreeing last week with environmental groups and the Miccosukee Tribe that the state and federal defendants didn't follow federal law requiring an environmental review for the detention center in the middle of sensitive wetlands.

The Miami judge said the number of detainees was already dwindling and that the federal government's "immigration enforcement goals will not be thwarted by a pause in operations." That's despite Department of Homeland Security lawyers saying the judge's order would disrupt that enforcement.

When asked, the Department of Homeland Security wouldn't say how many detainees remained and how many had been moved out since the judge's temporary injunction last week.

"DHS is complying with this order and moving detainees to other facilities," the department said Thursday in an emailed statement.

Environmental activist Jessica Namath, who has kept a nearly constant watch outside the facility's gates, said Thursday that fellow observers had seen metal framing for tents hauled out but no signs of the removal of FEMA trailers or portable bathrooms.

"It definitely seems like they have been winding down operations," Namath said.

Based on publicly available contract data, The Associated Press estimated the state allocated $50 million for the bathrooms. Detainees and advocates have described toilets that don't flush, flooding floors with fecal waste, although officials dispute such descriptions.

Facility already being emptied

The facility was already being emptied of detainees as of last week, according to an email exchange shared with The Associated Press on Wednesday. The executive director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management, Kevin Guthrie, said on Aug. 22 "we are probably going to be down to 0 individuals within a few days," in a message to a rabbi about chaplaincy services.

Funding is central to the federal government's arguments that Williams' order should be overturned by an appellate court.

Homeland Security attorneys said in a court filing this week that federal environmental law doesn't apply to a state like Florida, and the federal government isn't responsible for the detention center since it hasn't spent a cent to build or operate the facility, even though Florida is seeking some federal grant money to fund a portion of the detention center.

"No final federal funding decisions have been made," the attorneys said.

Almost two dozen Republican-led states also urged the appellate court to overturn the order. The 22 states argued in another court filing that the judge overstepped her authority and that the federal environmental laws only applied to the federal agencies, not the state of Florida.

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis ' administration is preparing to open a second immigration detention facility dubbed "Deportation Depot" at a state prison in north Florida.

Civil rights groups filed a second lawsuit last month against the state and federal governments over practices at the Everglades facility, claiming detainees were denied access to the legal system.

A third lawsuit by civil rights groups last Friday described "severe problems" at the facility which were "previously unheard-of in the immigration system."
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>>1430749 (OP)
Just remember at the end of the day democrats have no interest in getting illegals out of the country. They'll go on about how our system needs to be reformed but won't specify what needs to be fixed about our legal process, what barriers to entry they would be okay with, or reconcile how the US has the lowest barriers of entry out of any western nation on the planet. "Alligator Alcatraz" could have been built anywhere and they'd still label it a concentration camp and demand it be shut down - not because they give a fuck about the people there or the wildlife in the Everglades, but because they don't want a single person to be deported.

>>1430749 (OP)
Trump's Folly
At least Portmeirion in Wales - The Village in TV's The Prisoner - is a folly village that serves a purpose.
Still, I guess all of Trump's yes-men can use that as a gated village to hide from Florida's taxpayers wanting to take a piece out of their hides

>>1430752
>HOW DARE YOU CALL IT A CONCENTRATION CAMP
lol

Trump's Folly could also be used to shelter MAGAtard ball glazers such as >>1430752 after 2028 when the inevitable pushback happens: and it'll be nastier than 2017-21 and 2025-29.
The place could be powered by burning MAGA hats there'll be enough to keep the place in electricity for decades, the water supply being Trumptard tears and the salt extracted from such used to season the slop served there.

>>1430757
>after 2028 when the inevitable pushback happens: and it'll be nastier than 2017-21 and 2025-29.
LMAO you fags couldn't even handle a 17 year old.

>>1430749 (OP)
If they didn't waste hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on poorly planned virtue signalling bullshit, they wouldn't be Republicans

>>1430761
Well the pushback's already happening when an orange manbaby can't handle a judge
lol

May Ron Desatan never find peace. Or if he finds peace he finds it in resigning.

>>1430752
Maybe they call it a concentration camp because it is one. Ever think about that?

California has wasted billions on homeless people and fent addicts. This is a nothingburger

>>1430780
it's hilarious that you're literally a shill. you couldn't pay me any amount of money to switch places with you

>>1430780
Newsom won. You lost, chud.

>>1430779
>IT'S A CONCENTRATION CAMP!
They're literally sending them back home.

>>1430781
Not an argument. Keep seething, jeet
>>1430782
Also keep seething

>>1430784
Telling people 'this is your home now' doesn't make it their home.
Just like canceling someones Visa immediately before you arrest them isn't 'arresting an illegal immigrant'
But its all the same to faggoty shills, i guess
>Captcha: PP ACK

>>1430785
i see you don't deny that you're a shill, soulless faggot

>>1430786
>Telling people 'this is your home now' doesn't make it their home.
Are you retarded? What are you even talking about?
If they're here on a visa, they have a nation of origin that they can return towards. How is this difficult to understand?
>Just like canceling someones Visa immediately before you arrest them isn't 'arresting an illegal immigrant'
No, it means they're a non-legal resident.
You can't fucking be here if you don't belong here. You don't have a right to live here if you weren't given permission or born here.

>>1430789
just because you're loud doesn't make you right faggot

>>1430789
So you're against Trump deporting people to countries they didn't come from?
Speak up shill, its hard to tell your opinion when you keep mumbling them around the small orange penis you keep in your mouth constantly

>>1430785
I'm surprised you have time to post in 4chan, with your job as a projectionist at a cinema.
This closure brings closure to an idea that failed for Trump. 'Seething'? We're laughing with the schadenfreude this and your posts here gives us. You'll never beat the non-American allegations, shill.
>'I'm not seething, you're seething!'
- >>1430785

>>1430752
>could have been built anywhere
Then maybe they should've built in anywhere else instead of doing it on top of a site already scrapped for construction for these exact same reasons almost two decades ago.

Literally the easiest possible way to "own the libs" is to do everything legally and you retards can't even do that.

>>1430792
But they are a real American! They know things, like how most Americans are against immigra-
https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigration-abated.aspx
>Americans have grown markedly more positive toward immigration over the past year, with the share wanting immigration reduced dropping from 55% in 2024 to 30% today. At the same time, a record-high 79% of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country.
>These shifts reverse a four-year trend of rising concern about immigration that began in 2021 and reflect changes among all major party groups.
Oh

>>1430752
>Just remember at the end of the day
Those with H1B visas will enter the US. And guess who wants hundreds of thousands of Chinese students in this country as well? You voted for this, MAGAtards. And now you've paid via your taxes for something Trump wanted that'll never be used. Here's your 'Fell For It Again' award.

>>1430794
>Then maybe they should've built in anywhere else instead of doing it on top of a site already scrapped for construction for these exact same reasons almost two decades ago.
This was the goal though. A large part of it is stealing government money to pay their donors, so giving out the no-bid contract for a site thats going to get almost immediately closed down with terms that the contract needs to be paid out for 1 year minimum?
These fucks are stealing 10 months worth of operating expenses for nothing.
No one cares about it
Just as planned

>>1430785
Obama sent back more illegals than Trump ever has or will.
In Soviet America, libs own you.

>>1430795
Fake poll, shill. You left out the key word "illegal"

>>1430802
Most of the time the only difference between a legal and illegal migrant is submitting an asylum application after jumping the border.

>>1430791
>So you're against Trump deporting people to countries they didn't come from?
The US government has a one-hop rule with immigration.
If you travel through a bunch of safe countries to reach the United States, and you illegally cross the border, the US gov will pay for your trip to the last safest country you traveled through.
If you come here illegally through canada, but you're from india, I don't give a shit if you are deported to canada. You're not my responsibility or the responsibility of the US gov.

>>1430802
Fake opinion, shill
Look at the post above yours. Fact nukes obliterate wrong opinions.

>>1430795
The real polls happen at the ballot box and Americans chose someone who was strongly against immigration

>>1430808
Voting against the unprimaried dem opponent was not an endorsement of orange man's craziness.

>>1430808
>The real polls happen at the ballot box
weird that republicans are so insistent on gerrymandering and purging voter rolls at the last second then

>>1430749 (OP)
The political prisoners will simply be shoved around from one undisclosed location to another, their lives steadily deteriorating, for no real purpose.

>>1430802
>>1430806
>>1430807
>>1430808
Desperate seething from an impotent shill

>>1430812
>for no real purpose
Oh, there's a purpose to it: abject cruelty and callous disregard for human life and dignity.

>>1430817
I'm not seeing ROI for the taxpayer.

>>1430815
The seething shill can't take facts about a previous president sending back more illegals than the present one

>>1430822
But think of how much money the undisclosed contractors will make.
They spent $200 million putting up some chain link fence and plain white tents. Where'd that money go? Into the pockets of contractors who donate some fraction of that amount to the right politicians, of course!

>>1430794
>Then maybe they should've built in anywhere else
You would've bitched either way. Hell we could've done what you fags did and put them in 5 star hotels - and even then you'd complain.

>Literally the easiest possible way to "own the libs" is to do everything legally and you retards can't even do that.
Because you treasonous faggots keep putting legal hurdles in our way for people who clearly do not belong here. Look at Abrego Garcia. He clearly does not belong here and is being deported either way, yet we can't send him back to his home country without you faggots bursting into tears because the leader of his home country decided he should be in jail. We can't do everything legally because you subhuman retards are abusing the legal process by having everyone claim asylum.

Quick question: do you think there should be a limit to how many immigrants can claim asylum per year?

>>1430898
Its weird how literally everything you said is a lie.
I'm actually starting to wonder if illegal immigrants are actually a problem because of your rampant faggotry

>>1430899
Useless shill-bot posting nothing of value to waste time. Tell me more how dems aren't putting hurdles in front of anyone trying to prevent or get rid of illegal immigrants after Biden sent his troops to Texas to tear down the barriers they put up to curb the 11 million illegals that senile pedophile let walk right into the country.

I hope the shill gets a wellness check soon, they're spiraling into fentanyl fueled hallucinations

>>1430899
>I'm actually starting to wonder if illegal immigrants are actually a problem
Illegal immigrants are violating federal laws which, if you or I violated them would put us both in prison for years. But they are being given special considerations precisely because they are illegal, and even worse, the dems are unironically saying that they deserve to be here, contravening US federal law.

>>1430910
big if true, source?

>>1430911
They're being deported instead of being put in prison, you stupid faggot.

>>1430913
>illegal immigrants are violating laws that would put us in prison
>proof? they're not going to prison
Are you retarded?

>>1430916
Sorry, I forgot that being sent home was literally fascism.
Idiot.

>>1430749 (OP)
It'll get quietly reopened, the minute they ship these 3rd-world, criminal shitstains to NYC or LA, where they belong.

>>1430918
>sent home
programming detected

>>1430898
Is it okay for that which white rightists voted for to allow so many with H1B visas, and so many students from China to enter the US? If not, why do those white rightists continue to support that which goes against their interests, or are they just cultists?

>>1430930
Trump is changing the H1B system to de-incentivize hiring from overseas, lowering the number of Indians coming in
The White House quietly walked back its chinese visa proposal on the same day that the gov disclosed a massive security leak. Chinese nationalists, under the guise of contractors, accessed the Pentagon's servers and storing that data in China.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tqcm0Dc0QE
The racists were right again.

>>1430924
No because the immigrants weren't why it was closed. It was closed because it violated environmental policies and protections, something I have no idea why they're surprised about because it was the exact same reason the site they built it on was empty.

What's more likely is they'll just rebuild somewhere more legal. It was effectively just cages and tents after all.

>>1430932
Racists are categorically never right.

>>1430947
Yeah I'm sure it's just a coincidence that indians keep getting caught trafficking kids out of hotels in America. And Indians have a special bank in Texas that only gives loans to indians to buy hotels and gas stations, who now own over 60% of hotels nationwide.

>>1430958
You fall for too many racebait headlines.

>>1430959
From the DoJ?

>>1430967
From where ever gave you the distorted impression that a dozen Indians in a nation of 350 million people is a major problem.

>>1430971
It is a major problem. Because several ethnic demographics with serious in-group preferences are coming to America and victimizing Americans, while stupid liberals try to gaslight the rest of us into thinking that racism is a bad thing.
Chinese nationalists stealing American secrets on behalf of China isn't happening because they think China is a superior country; it's because they're all chinese and they have chinese families living in china.
Jews collaborating to blackmail US politicians on behalf of Israel isn't happening because they think Israel is a superior country; it's because they're jewish and have jewish families living in Israel.
Mexicans coming to America illegally and sending remittances to mexico isn't because they love mexico; it's because they are mexican, and their families are in mexico.
White liberals are destroying the country because they are unwilling to admit that there are differences between races. And that means that the chinese, indians, jews, or whoever, can march in and take advantage of what we have here.

>>1430977
>It is a major problem for white nationalists*
*ftfy

>>1430978
Letting chinese nationalists march into the pentagon and steal DoD secrets because you don't want to appear bigoted is suicidal.

Un like the real Alcatraz, please keep this one open. When the next attempted insurrection happens in 2029,jail the MAGats there.

>>1430749 (OP)
Oh that money wasn't wasted. It went straight into the pockets of the owners of that prison, who just so happen to be some of Trumps biggest donors. Luckily a bill just got passed that opens up billions of taxpayer dollars that can be spent towards building more of these camps across the country. So everything is going to plan.

>>1430979
Don't worry about that. Trump keeps all our most important DoD secrets in his bathroom at his golf club.

>>1430977
>gaslight the rest of us into thinking that racism is a bad thing.
You people are hilarious.

>>1430977
I like how half of these are just "people from other countries are working for the government of other countries. The WOKE LEFT will tell you this is because they work for those other countries, but it's actually because they work for their races!"

You think IRL works like World of Warcraft factions.

>>1431007
>race isnt a compelling motivator
>well, except for blacks
>and Indians
>and Asians
>and Arabs
>and Hispanics
>and jews
>just not for you, white man

>>1431048
Probably because "white" is a mix of various european ancestries created by random retards in america to avoid talking about how different parts of their ancestry would've probably tried to kill each other.

>>1431051
>race doesn't exist, white man
>please ignore the criminal justice system that was informed by british common law

>>1431058
So you're pretending to be British now?

>>1431051
Why would anyone have need for the term "white" prior to the 17th century when the term first came around tho?
1500s and earlier 99% of everyone on the world interacted almost exclusively with people who were from their local geographic region and neighboring countries.

>>1430981

it would be easier to just classify MAGA as a domestic terrorist organization

>>1431060
>1500s and earlier 99% of everyone on the world interacted almost exclusively with people who were from their local geographic region and neighboring countries.
Yeah and they also hated people from those neighboring countries you fuckwit. Fucks sake you got to a white supremacist meeting and half them share 0 ancestry and their ancestors were more than likely trying to kill each other for the same reason they want to kill black people.

>>1431074
If Group A is aligned on a racial basis, and they want to take advantage of Group B because they look different, then Group B is already on a team whether they are autistic enough to differentiate between Irish or English heritage.
Same shit with the chinese nationalists above. You might not be racist, but the chinese are definitely racist, and they want to take over the country, which means you're already in the game whether you like it or not.

>>1431074
As the world grew more connected people found it easier to connect with people from neighboring countries. Europeans found it easier to relate to other Europeans because of shared culture and history that developed over thousands of years. The same thing happened to pretty much all of the world.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

>>1431085
>You might not be racist, but the chinese are definitely racist
Racism within China exists. The Han are racist against the Manchu, and then the Han and Manchu are racist against Koreans, Uighurs, and Mongols.
>>1431089
What a bunch of bullshit. Do you think Napoleon or Hitler or Kaiser Wilhelm couldn't happen again?

>>1431095
>Racism within China exists.
You're proving my point for me.

>>1431098
I never disagreed. All I'm saying is that it's much more complex and nuanced than 'The Chinese are definitely racist'. Their racism is based more on geography than ancestry. It's kind of like how redneck whites from Alabama are treated in America by posh lily whites in Nantucket, and vice versa. Both are technically 'white' but they're practically a different race in some respects.

>>1431089
>As the world grew more connected people found it easier to connect with people from neighboring countries.
It only took them centuries of conflict and biases that, oh yeah, still fucking exist within the EU.

>>1431100
It's not complex at all. Ethnic conflicts are not like ballroom dances. Simply because the Han raped the Manchu doesn't mean either of these groups don't want to rape America.

>>1430786
>Telling people this is your home now doesn't make it their home
But it does when they come here illegally.
Also you are an actual fucking retard. A Visa is literally to visit or work. It's not citizenship.

>>1431107
and you're not a citizen

>>1431100
>'The Chinese are definitely racist'. Their racism is based more on geography than ancestry.
Lol you know nothing about China. China has historically been extremely racist any whichever ethnicity wasn't in control.

China has something like 55 different ethnic groups and for most of its history, anyone who wasn't Han or Cantonese or whatever the ethnicity was when the Manchurians ruled were discrimated against.
Even today they are hugely racist against Africans in Japanese. It has nothing to do with geography, and you do not know what you are talking about at all
Lol You could probably just Google "history of racism in China" or something and future this out for yourself.

>>1431109
>Africans in Japanese.
*Africans and japanese

>>1431109
wait, so the shill is chinese?

>>1431113
>Gets btfo by people
>Implies people aren't American
like clockwork.

Try reading a book and educating yourself.

>>1430749 (OP)
Orlando is a tourist trap - What is DeSantis thinking putting illegals there?!?

>>1431117
you're literally not american and you get upset like you are right now when it's pointed out

>>1430749 (OP)
I was actually kind of hoping this was going to be successful for the memes themselves.

>>1431431
What memes?

>>1430749 (OP)
To be honest its insane to me that they listened to the environmental courts and didn't get some kind of federal override bullshit to keep it in place.

>>1430749 (OP)
Order stayed. It stays open. Get fucked retards

>>1432035
It's already closed, chuddie, there's no one there anymore.
>Get fucked retards
I don't know why you think you've won something besides Florida having to shell out even more millions for nothing, but enjoy your imaginary W.