Thread 1430945

>https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-court-strikes-down-trump-tariffs-illegal-federal-law-appeals-ruling

A federal appeals court has ruled that most of President Donald Trump's tariffs are illegal.

"We affirm the CIT’s holding that the Trafficking and Reciprocal Tariffs imposed by the Challenged Executive Orders exceed the authority delegated to the President by IEEPA’s text," the opinion from the Washington-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit states.

"We also affirm the CIT’s grant of declaratory relief that the orders are invalid as contrary to law."

In a 7-4 vote, the divided court allowed the tariffs to remain in place through Oct. 14 to give the Trump administration a chance to file an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court.

At issue was the legality of Trump’s attempt to use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) — a 1977 emergency law — to enact the steep import fees and impose additional tariffs on certain trading partners.

Trump used the IEEPA law to enact the tariffs during his April 2 "Liberation Day" event.

On Truth Social, Trump criticized the ruling, saying all tariffs were still in effect.

"Today a Highly Partisan Appeals Court incorrectly said that our Tariffs should be removed, but they know the United States of America will win in the end. If these Tariffs ever went away, it would be a total disaster for the Country," he wrote.

But rather than argue about biased liberal judges, let's read the statute and ruling.

The Original Statute: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-91/pdf/STATUTE-91-Pg1625.pdf
>(pg. 2) the President may, under such regulations as he may prescribe, by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise [...] investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest

The Court Ruling: https://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/25-1812.OPINION.8-29-2025_2566151.pdf
>(pg. 26-27) The statute bestows significant authority on the President to undertake a number of actions in response to a declared national emergency, but none of these actions explicitly include the power to impose tariffs, duties, or the like, or the power to tax. [...] Notably, when drafting IEEPA, Congress did not use the term “tariff” or any of its synonyms, like “duty” or “tax.” There are numerous statutes that do delegate to the President the power to impose tariffs; in each of these statutes that we have identified, Congress has used clear and precise terms to delegate tariff power.
>(pg. 30-31) [T]he core Congressional power to impose taxes such as tariffs is vested exclusively in the legislative branch by the Constitution; when Congress delegates this power in the first instance, it does so clearly and unambiguously [...] The power to “regulate” has long been understood to be distinct from the power to “tax.”

Seems pretty reasonable. If Republicans want tariffs so badly, why don't you just use another statute or pass it through the Congress they control?

>If Republicans want tariffs so badly
They don't.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/cantor-fitzgerald-offers-to-buy-the-rights-in-potential-refunds-from-companies-that-have-paid-trump-s-tariffs/ar-AA1J1A4I

In other news water is wet
Ain't shit that's gonna be done about this though. The government seems perfectly fine with letting Trump do whatever the hell he wants.
And to think I believed checks and balances did anything. Guess our entire country was built on nothing more than the honor system.

>>1430948
Then they need to stand up to him. But they won't, so what they want doesn't matter.

>>1430948
Wasn't Cantor Fitzgerald run by Howard Lutnick before Trump hired him as ove of his top cronies?

>>1430950
We Canadians don't have a constitution, we have the LAW and we obey our law

>>1430945 (OP)
>Rumors that Trump is dead start springing up right after this
>It's entirely possible he heard about this and got so pissed he had a heart attack and died
Might be the most poetic way for him to go out honestly

>>1430987
I disagree, choking on KFC chicken tenders would be the most poetic way.

>>1430989
Equally valid tbh

>>1430987
I was really hoping for covid, back in the first term. That'd have been perfect.

>>1430987
I like to think it would be in the middle of him dictating a truth social rant to one of his aids

I just want my anime figures, man. I ordered from Tokyo Otaku Mode and now it's saying they're suspending shipments to U.S.

Give the courts credit for trying to salvage the economy, but Trump will simply ignore it. That's what dictators do ... they wreck the economy for personal gain and their supporters are happy to see them do it.

>>1431005
I just can't wait for Dumpster to die. Hopefully J.D. isn't as retarded on foreign trade policy but he probably will be. I should've just held my nose and voted for Harris.

>>1431008
JD is retarded, but he’s a paper bag. There’s nothing in him until someone else puts something there.

>>1431026
Oh he's a puppet but Trump isn't the one with a hand up his ass. Peter Thiel is.

>>1431027
>>1431026
>>1431005
>>1431026
Saaar do not redeem bloody benchode

>>1431028
we know you're a self hating indian, faggot

>>1430945 (OP)
>In a 7-4 vote, the divided court allowed the tariffs to remain in place through Oct. 14 to give the Trump administration a chance to file an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court.
Ah, so nothing burger. SC will strike it down and it'll go back to business as usual.

>>1431005
>Give the courts credit for trying to salvage the economy, but Trump will simply ignore it.
lmao good, it's not the courts responsibility, expertise, or job to manage the economy.

>>1431030
If they do, they're going to have do it on non-textual/originalism grounds, which is funny coming from a conservative court.

>>1431031
And it's not Trump's job to set taxes and tariffs on his own, and yet here we are.

>>1431033
Maximizing Unitary Executive Theory was always part of Project 2025. They won't stop until he has the powers of a king and all of his decrees become defacto 'laws'

>>1431032
dont worry or concern shill, it will happen and stupid people will seethe

>>1430954
yes but has totally divested himself from the firm and you can trust him because he is a really honest guy

>>1431008
>I just can't wait for Dumpster to die.
Yeah we know leftists want him dead. You've only tried to kill him multiple times.

If only amurica gets wiped off the earth everyone will have eternal peace, all amuricans womens should be raped and all amurican mens gays trans and whatever lgbtq shit should be executed

>>1430987
For me its he shits himself so hard he has a brain anuerysm and dies on the spot.

>>1431124
>If only amurica gets wiped off the earth everyone will have eternal peace
lmao yeah good luck with international trade without our navy to protect you. Have fun getting all your oil tankers hijacked in the Arabian Sea.

We all knew trump didn't have the power to do these tariffs.

But in all reality, this ruling has really fucked up their budgetary strategy and the US budget is even more in the shitter after it.

The big stinky bill added trillions of expected deficit over the next 10 years, and the tariffs were how it balanced out on paper, they were supposedly meant to pick up the slack from overspending on the budget

But now that tariffs are gone, it really is one big shitty bill and we are going to experience the full effect of its bad decisions without tariffs to offset ~90% of the losses

>>1431132
>The big stinky bill added trillions of expected deficit over the next 10 years
And where was your bitching when Biden put up his infrastructure bill? Did we ever get those EV stations and broadband internet we paid 1.2 trillion for?

>>1431134
Ain't done yet. Revamping infrastructure takes a really long time. It'll probably never happen at all with Trump in office, though.

>>1431132
>and the tariffs were how it balanced out on paper
What happens when people cut back on their spending cause shit is more expensive? Tariff income decreases. Did they ever factor that in? I have a feeling they didn't and it wasn't ever going to balance, not even theoretically.

>>1431140
thats the point genius tariffs are here to hurt the countries that dont play ball, people buying less of tariffed goods (and with it damage tariffed countries and companies) and instead switching to local goods is the wanted effect

jesus christ use your brain

>>1431141
Do you have any idea what are all of the inputs outputs for all the production that would need to be shifted from overseas to here? Do you have any idea how long it would take?

I have a feeling you don't. Why don't you look at how long it took the Chinese to build their supply chains? It probably longer than the 4 years of a presidential term.

>>1431142
We already have the infrastructure anon. Cities like detroit were used to build cars.

>>1431144
Detroit built cars 20+ years ago, cars are different now. They would have to take the run down abandoned facilities, renovate them, get workers to live there, and they would still need to solve the issue of part components not being manufactured in the US. Where do you think they would get all the nuts and screws? Magic?

I want to call you a dumbass but it's pointless. I'm going to sit here and watch your prediction completely fail to pass while you admit no mistake and quietly move onto another retarded half baked idea that fails to turn back the clock to the 1950s. I lived through the Bush years to see all this happen.

>>1431141
The people that are going to be damaged the most are us. Can't afford anything because it costs too much, get our bank broken by the stuff we need to buy to survive.
If it's there to buy at all.

>>1431148
>I'm going to sit here and watch your prediction completely fail to pass while you admit no mistake and quietly move onto another retarded half baked idea that fails to turn back the clock to the 1950s.
Bush jr. is a neocon. His goal wasn't American exceptionalism, it was overturning foreign regimes in the hopes that he could bring democracy to those countries by force. All at the behest of Israel.

The only president who has actually tried to focus on bolstering US manufacturing in the last twenty years is Trump, but the moment he tried to implement trade protectionist policies, every UN member that already has tariffs against America tried to psyop the American public into believing that tariffs would be a bad idea. And now faggot federal judges (many of whom aren't American born) are now trying to fuck with our economy. Again.

Also, "But cars are different" is a braindead, smooth-hands take. The infrastructure used to build cars twenty years ago didn't spontaneously disappear the moment fucknut RINOs decided to sell out our economy to foreign adversaries.

>>1431152
>the only president who has actually tried to focus on bolstering US manufacturing in the last twenty years is Trump
You just had Biden do the CHIPs act.

>already has tariffs against America
>https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/statis_e/daily_update_e/tariff_profiles/CE_e.pdf
Outside of agriculture, the average tariff for the EU on any import is less than 5%. They are not this "one-small-trick" that make you rich.

>and now faggot federal judges (many of whom aren't American born) are now trying to fuck with our economy
That's not why the Judges ruled this way. It was because the statute Trump is using doesn't give him the power to tariff: >>1430946

>>1431152
Your delusions are a sight to behold.
Hey, how do you feel about Trump supporting Israel?

>>1431159
>Hey, how do you feel about Trump supporting Israel?
I'm fine with it, actually. Because Israel is willing to do anything to protect its people, which is what America should've started doing decades ago.

>>1431152
>The infrastructure used to build cars twenty years ago didn't spontaneously disappear
Oh yeah? Can you tell me where the rubber and metal for the wheels are built? The numerous parts that form the engine, what places produces all those parts? What about the windows, the batteries, the seats, the doors? Where do all of the components of those components come from? How long would it take to move all of those in the US? Which US companies can start making all of those within 3 years using only US made raw materials?

And even if you can make all of this in the US, who's going to buy all that shit? You think car sales are going to go up and up? Car sales haven't really gone up for 25 years. You think people who are getting poorer and poorer will buy cars with inevitable QA issues (since they shifted their entire production chains)?

>muh UN psyoped me
I'm going to sit and watch the next few years as conspiritards on the right eat shit since American companies aren't going to step up and the golden age does not come. They have can whine and bitch like the whinest blue haired dyke, but on the other political side, about things not being what they used to be, but when they actually have to build a functional systems, they're complete fucking shit at it.

>>1431152
>many of whom aren't American born
>Before MOORE, Chief Judge, LOURIE, DYK, PROST, REYNA,
TARANTO, CHEN, HUGHES, STOLL, CUNNINGHAM, and
STARK, Circuit Judges.
These ones were all born in America, you dingus. You don't have to make it so obvious you want to make all your political opponents noncitizens.

>>1431140
I don't know how they did their math, but the point remains that we are totally cooked now

>>1431141
>targeted country begins trading more with different partners
>suffers minor economic losses while business goes on
>I now have to pay more
What exactly do I get out of this other than vague promises that US industry will pick up the slack someday? And that’s ignoring the things that simply can’t ever be produced here. Seems like maybe you are a just spiteful little retard

>>1431175
I've seen a few statements issued by Trump's people referring to the revenue generated over a 10 year timeframe, as though republicans are going to be in power and keep the tariffs for that long. They're out of their minds.

>>1431163
Fucking this. People don't seem to realize it's not as simple as "Just restart production that went abroad lol". You could bring every single closed plant and factory back like a fucking necromancer, but the facts are that they'd likely immediately close again because the sheer amount of parts modern car production requires that the US cannot produce on the own, at least not in the amounts they'd need for meaningful production, would sink them.

Even if Trump magically conjured production infrastructure that would take AT LEAST a decade to manifest overnight to make all those parts, they require resources the US does not have without trade.

The irony is, getting that infrastructure, even if it wouldn't allow for this isolationist "US ONLY!" mindset, would still be good. But noooooo. Trump has to rush things as fast as possible, and instead of making that infrastructure to encourage some level of return to the US, decided to try forcing it without that infrastructure on the delusion that it would somehow manifest overnight. So now we all get to suffer massive prices as there's a few token attempts to make what we should've made before we rushed into a trade/manufacturing war we can't win.

>>1431185
Never mind republicans being in power; can the US populace even take it that long? We'll fucking economically collapse from everything being too expensive first if they don't get removed.

>>1431184
Trump's economic plan is literally that one South Park bit.
>Step 1: Tariff everyone
>Step 2: ???
>Step 3: Manufacturing returns to the US

You always hear "Short term pain, long term gain" but never how we get to the gain part.

>>1431187
In the poll averages Trump is -15% on trade and tariffs and -25% on the cost of living. His core base would have to turn on him for the numbers to get any lower. It remains to be seen if he can successfully somehow blame democrats or Biden for the higher prices and make them believe it.
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>>1431191
it's a cult, he's already convinced them that his fat dumb ass is a god

>>1431191
I'm not even talking approval rating, I'm talking "At what point would basic goods be too expensive for the average US citizen". Like literally getting priced out of existing.

>>1431193
It's a mere matter of messaging for Trump's propaganda ministers. They will blame it on democrats and "woke" corporations (even though that makes 0 fucking sense) and his base will believe him.

>>1431185
I think part of the strategy may have been meant to have them interdependent so that it would be hard for subsequent administrations to change one without the other..
Eg "if you get rid of tariffs you need to completely rework the widget because tariffs make up for a large budgetary shortfall"

But, now the courts have got rid of the illegal tariffs, so either something has to happen or we are cooked.

>>1431195
>rework the widget
Lol. The budget

>>1431195
It's going to take a tax increase at some point to cover the revenue shortfall, and that's political poison for whichever politician ends up holding the bag. Too bad every president in the last 30 years has run either on new tax cuts or extending previous tax cuts. That's one of the reasons why tariffs seem even a little bit attractive to some people, it's really about the revenue generated.

>>1431197
No, its because retards got fooled into believing that tariffs weren't tax increases on themselves so Trump could give the rich more tax cuts

>>1431197
Yeah I agree with this. Taxes need to be raised across the board. I'm also in favor of an incremental wealth tax.

I'm actually one of those middle ground people who think taxes should be raised on everyone and public assistance should be cut for people who aren't old/disabled and don't contribute to society... Anecdote: I had neighbors once who literally had 8 kids (mostly by choice) and no jobs because that was apparently what they considered the number of dependents for optimal welfare, I guess it maxes out their section 8 benefits, their cash benefits and food/whatever else they get. The people were honestly scum, they forced their kids (all younger than 12 or so) to go out to public street markets and perform or dance or ask for money so that they had more cash for weed and drugs. I'm strongly against having a welfare system that permits this type of exploitation of everyone who contributes to society.
>>1431198
buzzword faggot. Try having a real conversation for once.

>Try having a real conversation for once.
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>>1431213
The Pentagon budget is over a trillion dollars a year and you're worried about the social safety net taking too much money. It shows how Americans have their priorities skewed and don't value all human life like they should.

>>1430950
> water is wet
No