Thread 1431373

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/09/01/trump-mandate-voter-ids/85927107007/

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump is plowing ahead with efforts to change election rules despite initial court rulings that he doesn’t have the power to do so.

Trump said Aug. 30 that he would sign an executive order requiring voters provide identification in every election.

An executive order Trump signed in March requiring people to show government-issued proof of U.S. citizenship to register to vote in federal elections has been blocked by the courts.

“The Constitution does not grant the president any specific powers over elections,” U.S. District Judge Denise Casper in Massachusetts wrote in June.

In April, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., reached the same conclusion.

Here’s what you need to know.
What does Trump want to do?

In a post on Truth Social, Trump said: "Voter I.D. Must Be Part of Every Single Vote. NO EXCEPTIONS! I Will Be Doing An Executive Order To That End!!!”

He did not say what type of identification he wants to require, when he would sign the order or why he has the authority to impose the rule.

What voter identification is required now?

Thirty-six states require voters to show some form of identification at the polls, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Depending on the state, the identification can be a photo ID, such as a driver’s license, or a nonphoto ID, such as a bank statement.

States that require neither check a voter’s identity a different way, most often by comparing the voter’s signature with one on file, according to the state legislatures conference.
What are the arguments for and against voter IDs?

Those backing voter ID requirements argue they prevent people from casting votes in someone else’s name and say the rules increase public confidence in elections.

Opponents say the type of fraud the rules aim to prevent rarely happens and ID requirements are an unnecessary burden on voters.

What has the Supreme Court said about voter IDs?

The Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s photo ID requirement for voters in 2008.

“In sum, on the basis of the record that has been made in this litigation, we cannot conclude that the statute imposes `excessively burdensome requirements’ on any class of voters,” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the 6-3 majority.

Indiana hadn’t offered evidence of fraud, but the challengers hadn’t produced witnesses at the trial who claimed they would be unable to meet the law's requirements.

After he retired, Stevens said in a 2016 interview that the ruling was a “fairly unfortunate decision” that was nonetheless required because he had to stick to the evidence in the record.

What have the courts said about Trump's voter registration requirement?

Trump’s proof-of-citizenship directive for voter registration was immediately challenged in court.

In April, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in Washington sided with the League of Women Voters Education Fund, the League of United Latin American Citizens, the Democratic National Committee and other challengers.

Kollar-Kotelly blocked Trump’s order from moving forward as the case is being litigated, ruling that the president likely exceeded his authority.

“Our Constitution entrusts Congress and the States − not the President − with the authority to regulate federal elections,” she wrote.

In June, Casper, the federal judge in Massachusetts, ruled on a separate lawsuit brought by 19 states.

Casper said the states showed that the citizenship requirement for registration and Trump’s attempt to prevent states from counting mail ballots received after Election Day are likely to disenfranchise eligible voters.

What does the Constitution say?

The Constitution’s so-called elections clause says that the “Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.” The clause also says Congress can “make or alter such Regulations.”

What happens next?

Trump’s executive order is expected to be challenged in court once he signs it.

What's the bigger picture?

Trump has long questioned the U.S. electoral system and continues to falsely claim that his 2020 loss to Democratic President Joe Biden was the result of widespread fraud. The president and his Republican allies have also made baseless claims about widespread voting by noncitizens, which is illegal and rarely occurs.

>Trump wants to mandate voter ID's. Can he do that?
God I hope so, that's what pretty much every other developed country does and I still haven't heard a good reason from democrats why they don't support it, just tired nonsense about evil Republicans wanting to safeguard our elections

>Republicunts want to save elections
>just ignore that they only started caring about 'election security' when they became so unpopular that they stopped winning elections
California was right, just end DEI protections for Republicans and they'll go extinct naturally

>>1431384
Republicans won everything in 2024. Your entire statement is false.

1431385
thats a good joke

>>1431386
You are right, they didn't win everything. They only control the Congress, Senate, the executive branch, the judicial branch, and 27 governorships

>>1431378
>I still haven't heard a good reason from democrats why they don't support it
Read the article, dipshit

1431388
So they started winning elections again after dumping hundreds of thousands of registered voters without notice right before an election?
You're right, that does sound above board and not like cheating at all. And you're definitely not going to sperg out and pretend that all of them are illegals with no proof.

>>1431391
Yeah if you're talking about this phrase "Opponents say the type of fraud the rules aim to prevent rarely happens and ID requirements are an unnecessary burden on voters.", I don't know why anyone would believe it since the opponents are Democrats and the Democrats are known to rig elections.

For fucks sake, how many years has it been since the DNC held an honest primary?

Oh no, the shill got into the fent stash early

>>1431394
Aren't you one thread short of your five maximum after you've rotated your IP?
You need to post that fifth thread if you want to get paid full wages.

>>1431393
Stephen Millers nosferatu hands typed this post

>>1431402
You are so incredibly mad right now.

>>1431402
>triggered
you're such a thin skinned faggot, lmao

esl shill is projecting again

>>1431402
FYI I can't post the fifth thread until Wednesday. I have a static IP and it's the same one I've had for the last five years.

>>1431402
Who is supposedly paying him to post usatoday articles?

>>1431443
who is supposedly convinced there are no shills on the internet

I'm so sick of executive orders by presidents of the duopoly. The lack of permanence of EO's are tearing the country apart. The legal questions regarding overreach they constantly bring. EO's need to go, they are thoroughly being abused. Next president will rescind them, and more stupid bullshit will ensue will another set of EO's. Fuck all of it.

>>1431454
congress won't be united until there's another world war, and maybe not even then, so i doubt they'll be going anywhere

>>1431455
So then lets have a king again and be done with it. Its weird that the country already treats the president like a king.

>>1431455
It has very little to do with being united. The problem is the entire republican party fawns over Trump like he's a virgin debutante at the ball.

>>1431456
>the country already treats the president like a king.
Where do you get that idea from? Judges wouldn't have the power to stop Trump's agenda, even temporarily, if he was a king.

>>1431456
you're not american

>>1431458
Thats the other problem with the system, too. Is the judicial branch has no recourse if the other branches dont honor their rulings. The whole thing is a circus show of megalomaniacs trying to steer the country, and its fucking absurd.

>>1431459
to be fair there are Americans like Curtis Yarvin who want us to have a king (and a serfdom)

>>1431459
I dont care what you think i am, it doesm5 change the reality of the situation

>>1431462
Doesn't change*

>>1431460
well I'm not going to say the system isn't vulnerable to dictatorship, but the system is mostly holding for now, not that Trump isn't purposely trying to undermine it.

>>1431465
How is he undermining it?

>>1431485
how are you literally a shill

>>1431485
Are you blind?

>>1431373 (OP)
No. Trump cannot mandate how states carry out elections. That’s delineated in the constitution.

He can't even speak right now, so I doubt there is anything he can do about anything. He's been in a medically-induced coma over the weekend following a stroke and cranial swelling late Saturday night.

Pity the mainstream media isn't covering this story.

>>1431491
Why are we deferring law to a piece of paper for?

>>1431492
Didn’t you see Trump golfing?!?

>>1431493
google is your friend esl shill

>>1431492
>Pity the mainstream media isn't covering this story.
They can't report on what the whitehouse won't confirm or deny. It would be speculation.

>>1431500
Mealy-mouthed sloths can make better news…

>>1431502
Settle down, Ron, they're not tabloids.

>>1431492
Nobody's going to report on your discord fanfic

>>1431507
>discord fanfic
???

>>1431510
Didn't you hear that on discord?

>>1431511
I don't use discord. Where did you hear it was on discord?

>>1431487
How is he, anon? Tell me.

>>1431513
Ask ChatGPT

>>1431514
>ask the sum of silicon valley's knowledge on why Trump is a retard
Can you at least summarize the problem

>>1431515
Jesus christ Anon you're on a news board filled with stories about it. Try looking in the catalog at all those threads you've been ignoring and read the article text. Here's one for starters. >>1431397

>>1431374
Here in North Carolina the voter ID regulation has swung back and forth several times.

The liberals claim that it discriminates against blacks, but the conservatives claim that it reduces voter fraud.

IMHO everyone who can vote has some form on ID (voter ID cards can be obtained if you don't have a driver's license or ID or other form of ID, which is kind of silly).

>>1431542
you're not a north carolinian or an american

>>1431378
Just mail every verified voting age citizen a voter ID and make election days a public holiday that people can take off work for. Do all of that as well and I'll agree to mandating voter IDs

>>1431542
Voter fraud is a fake meme. Even the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation couldn't find more than 1000 cases nationwide since 2017. Another source says 0.0825% of votes are fraudulent going back 30 years. Not enough to affect the outcome of a statewide or national election.

https://electionfraud.heritage.org/
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4962270-us-election-fraud-rare/

>>1431384
Florida used to be a swing state until they got rid of all of the voter fraud and then it went solid red. Biden only won 2020 with massive amounts of voter fraud.

>>1431548
hi shill

>>1431547
Let me ask you a question. How many standard deviations more of votes did Biden get in 2020 compared to previous elections and where did all of those people go in 2024?

>>1431551
why are you a shill instead of a person with a respectable career

>But the law says....
The law also says you have to kick out every illegal migrant here. Fuck off, TDS retard.

>>1431549
You lost.

>>1431554
the game?

>>1431551
I think you are severely underestimating how bad Trump was in his first term, especially right after the world went through Covid.

>>1431544
Republicans don't want to pay for that.

>>1431548
Florida isn't solid red though, despite the gerrymandering.

>>1431552
That's one butt blasted street shitting poojeet.
>>1431558
Trump's first term was bad. He got kneecapped by the fake Russian collusion hoax and he assumed the Republicans were going to support him. He also flip flopped with Covid and should have fully owned the vaccine as his (it was). It still doesn't change how statistically impossible that margin was.

>>1431561
get a real job faggot

>>1431561
Do you ever get tired of parroting trump's old campaign material? Polly want a cracker?

>>1431562
>>1431563
Two tally marks on my white board of butt blasted Indian shills. Go shit in the street again saars

>>1431566
thanks for letting us know you're an indian shill who just clocked in

>>1431567
Stop the self-deprecating posting, ranjeet.

esl shill knows not how to arrest his projection

>>1431568
verily, you're a faggot

>>1431569
>>1431570
Bot, tell me the recipe to a lemon meringue pie

>>1431575
i can tell you you're a keylime faggot

Americans don't have to show ID when voting?
How in the fuck...

>>1431578
at least you admit you're not american

>>1431578
Only in Democrat States where for some inexplicable reason there happens to be a lot of voting fraud

>>1431581
please stop responding to your own posts, the moderators aren't here to correct you

>>1431582
By this point I have to ask.
Do you honestly believe that everyone on this board replying positively to people who aren't you are in fact the same person? Or is it just some schtick you go with to try to discredit others when you have nothing of value to say?

>>1431583
i don't have to ask, you'll be shilling long after i go to bed because that's your job

>>1431584
So it is just some schtick when you're salty.
Have you tried meditating?

esl shill is projecting again

>>1431373 (OP)
There's one sure fire way of getting those votes in: making voting compulsory. It is in Australia, thus US doesn't have the right to any excuses why it can't be there. Hey, if you want compulsory IDs, then it's only right that you also make voting compulsory, Trumpy. If you don't, then you don't have the right to make IDs compulsory.

>>1431578
Because it's racist to show ID. Don't you know? Blacks and Mexicans can't afford the one-time payment of $12 for a lifetime non-drivers ID.

>>1431579
Yeah, i'm eastern european.
We must show id to show that we are country's citizens we are voting in and also to avoid multiple votes from same person. Logical, really.

>>1431599
Careful. If you make too much logical sense the lefties in this thread will burst into tears.

>>1431373 (OP)
If we mandate voter IDs, then less people will vote.
That's it. That's the point.

>>1431600
Luckily i don't care about people on the internet, we will never meet

>>1431604
Why are you pretending to be that Anon?

>>1431581
There is miniscule amounts of voting fraud. see >>1431547

>>1431598
It's $36 and the IDs expire every few years.

>>1431578
>>1431599
You need ID when you register to vote, at which point they keep your signature on file to check it against the voting form on election day. The system has worked that way just fine for 100 years.

>>1431606
>It's $36 and the IDs expire every few years.
>Arizona Motor Vehicle Division
>Identification (ID) Card
>Ages 0-64: $12
>Age 65 and older: no fee
You were saying?

>>1431608
>Arizona
It's still $36 dollars and they expire every few years.

>>1431610
Except that's wrong you fucking retard. It's a one-time fee of $12 dollars if you're under 65 years of age. They don't expire.

>>1431612
NTA, but they do expire. When you're 65.
Also, it doesn't work like that in other states
Also, it doesn't even matter in AZ, because mail in voting is better than going in person

>>1431542
>voter ID cards can be obtained if you don't have a driver's license or ID or other form of ID
How do you obtain such an ID without being able to identify yourself?

>>1431617
>NTA, but they do expire. When you're 65.
And then they're completely free with no expiration. So your "It's still $36 dollars and they expire every few years" line was bullshit, wasn't it?

>Also, it doesn't work like that in other states
1) I can't help it blue states are filled with retards that have IDs that expire every three seconds. You voted for this.
2) Arizona was arguably the battle ground state that decided the last three elections, and every single fucking time elections are brought up you faggots whine about how Republicans are trying to stop people from getting IDs so they can't vote - only to get really quiet when I point out the most important state has the least restrictions to get an ID to vote with.

>Also, it doesn't even matter in AZ, because mail in voting is better than going in person
Until it comes time to count those ballots and we end up with several days before an election is called, as we did in 2020 because Maricopa county was fucking up.

And I know for a fact that mine wasn't counted for some odd reason. Doesn't encourage me to do it again in the future.

>>1431620
>So your
NTA, retard
I was responding to
>They don't expire.
Which you admitted they do, and all AZ Drivers License clearly have an expiration date listed on them.
Just take the L.

Then you just whine about how one cherrypicked state works differently than other states, and retardedly complain about not getting election results same night like a ADHD zoom zoom who doesn't understand thats never been a thing.

>And I know for a fact that mine wasn't counted for some odd reason.
Not sending it in will do that
>Doesn't encourage me to do it again in the future.
No one should encourage you to do anything in the future, you kinda suck

>>1431621
>Which you admitted they do, and all AZ Drivers License clearly have an expiration date listed on them.
Except they don't you fucking idiot. Non-drivers IDs don't have expirations on them unless they're temporary IDs.

So how about you take the L because you demonstratively don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>1431623
Nice try moving the goalposts to cover up how your retarded ass can't read and doesn't know shit about ID requirements in Arizona.

>>1431622
>all AZ Drivers License clearly have an expiration date
>Non-drivers IDs...
Proving that Drivers Licenses don't expire by confirming they do and pretending you've been talking about non-driver IDs is pure schizo
You're spare parts, shill

>>1431625
lol you gonna delete this post too after getting caught being a retard again?

>>1431625
>and pretending you've been talking about non-driver IDs
>scroll up to yesterday's post
>Because it's racist to show ID. Don't you know? Blacks and Mexicans can't afford the one-time payment of $12 for a lifetime non-drivers ID.
>$12 for a lifetime non-drivers ID.
>lifetime non-drivers ID.
>non-drivers
Jesus Christ I've heard it said that blacks can't read, but shit Tyrone...

Ice cold take: All voting should be done by mail.

The idea that we have to wait days for votes to be counter and set up polling places where people have to wait in line for hours is fucking stupid.

>>1431628
You're very mad that you said AZ DL's expire and got called out on it

>>1431624
Who gives a shit about Arizona?
>Alabama: A standard driver's license is $36.25.
>Louisiana: A Real ID driver's license costs $32.25, but this amount could approach $36 with additional fees.
>Michigan: An enhanced driver's license (EDL) costs $45, while a standard Real ID driver's license costs $25.
>Tennessee: A Real ID driver's license costs $28.
>Georgia: An eight-year driver's license or photo ID card costs $32.

>>1431631
But that's a lie you fucking retard. Show me where I said the words "driver's license".

Go ahead I'll wait.

>>1431632
>who gives a shit about the state that decides what president we're going to have for the next four years

>>1431634
>>who gives a shit about the state that decides what president we're going to have for the next four years
Yes, a state full of geriatric republicans who think 'Cyber ninjas' are a legitimate vote audit organizations. Correct.

>>1431635
Judging the effectiveness of something by its name alone is a sign of clinical retardation.

>>1431638
Yeah, but judging it by effectiveness itself would tell you they're just as inept as their name suggests.

>>1431638
>actually defending Cyber Ninja's partisan con artistry in 2025
Why?

>>1431638
I'm pretty sure we all judged them by never doing anything like they did before and fucking up so royally the corporation imploded
They literally set up ballots on lazy susans and spun them around so volunteers could verify them

>>1431622
>Non-drivers IDs don't have expirations on them unless they're temporary IDs.
This is false

>>1431651
Sure Anon. Whatever you have to keep telling yourself... By the way can you show me a link to the MVD that says how long non-driver IDs are good for? I'd really like to know what their expiration length is. Do you know what it might be?

>>1431653
I don't have to tell myself anything because my ID has an expiration date on it.

>>1431654
In other words you can't. That's about what I thought...

Y'know maybe I just have unreasonably high expectations for the other posters on /news/. Maybe I'm not taking into account that the ... lesser people can't help their lack of proper education. Maybe I should stop pretending I'm replying to an actual human. It's either some cheap Chinese bot or a third-world monkey that has to constantly waste my time. Either way I can't help but feel... just disappointed. Like I get no enjoyment out of spoon-feeding basic facts to retards who somehow can't use google (maybe their government blocked it).

>>1431656
If your programmers want you to talk to people, they need to pay for it
If you're a person, see a doctor immediately and tell them you have brain problems.
You're telling lies and getting told that you're getting lies, then getting angry about it

>>1431658
Well this is getting boring fast. Let me know whenever you find a link... an OFFICIAL link... that says what the expiration dates are for "non-driver" IDs in Arizona. Until then, if ever (lol nope), I've got better things to do with my time.

>>1431659
No you don't, faggot
You're the one arguing instead of just linking the answer, almost like you're a dirty shillbot who isn't actually interested in the truth.

>>1431659
NTA but:
>https://airparkmotorvehicle.com/services/state-identification-id-card/
>Typically, a standard State ID Card does not expire. A Travel ID Card expires every eight (8) years. For foreign residents in the US, whether it’s a standard or a Travel State ID, your ID card is valid for the duration of your legal residency status, as indicated on your authorized presence documents.

>>1431661
Oh no, you didn't post the specific link the shill asked for!
Now you're wrong forever, and they can pretend every non-MAGA person they ever talk to deliberately lies to them about ID expiration.

>>1431663
He chose Arizona intentionally knowing they don't have IDs that expire there. Meanwhile, in almost every other state they expire after 3-6 years.

Just checking in real quick. Won't be long...

>>1431660
Still no link, I see. Don't worry, I can see someone at least put in some effort (half-assed, but still more than you could do).

>>1431661
Thank you anon for
A) not providing an official link from the MVD, and
B) providing a source that says what I've been saying the entire time "a standard State ID Card DOES NOT EXPIRE."

Thank you for further debunking that other retard for me.

>>1431663
lol even that unofficial link disagrees with you. How much longer do we need to go through this before you admit you were wrong?

>>1431665
Actually I chose Arizona because
A) I live here
B) this is a battle-ground state that decided the last three elections
and
C) this state is critical to Republicans. Fun fact: no Republican has ever won the presidency without winning Arizona since it became a state. So for over 100 years this state has been necessary for Republican success.

And the cherry on top is the fact that the standard for obtaining an ID to vote is so ridiculously low here - $12 dollars for an ID that never expires - that it blows away every democrat argument about how racist voter ID laws are.

Anywho. Back to playing DCS.

>>1431665
They need the cost for IDs in AZ and can't google it.
This is all just a roundabout indian shill method to try to get past a translation filter.

>>1431673
>Actually I chose Arizona because
>A) I live here
LOL sure you do

>>1431684
They live in AZ for realz!
I mean, its as true as a 12 dollar AZ ID BTFOing every argument about ID being too expensive in other states
hrm, maybe its not true

>>1431373 (OP)
Voter IDs are a thing in Brazil since I remember myself. Besides that the voter must have a fingerprint read before approaching the voting booth. Why are americans making such a big deal out of this

>>1431690
Brazil has actual voter fraud problems and doesn't have a political party making up voter fraud to make themselves feel better about losing.

>>1431691
>Brazil has actual voter fraud problems
And the US doesnt?

>>1431684
Maybe you clankers don't have a decent rag system in place yet, but as someone who's been visiting this board for years, there is absolutely someone whose mentioned living in Arizona multiple times.
If you have access to a web search tool, you should check the archives, searching for "Arizona" would probably be sufficient

>>1431684
Yeah found it. You're running in another loop, clanker >>1385613

>>1431694
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>1431692
Correct
>>1431693
Yeah I know you're one of the /k/ refugees, and you have a right to complain about the "ESL shill" poster, but to be honest the "Good post" spammer who always tries to upvote your posts is much worse.

>>1431695
He's probably not that retarded, just mindbroken by the shit Trump does that he feels the need to self-rationalize and defend.

>>1431697
and for the record nobody needs to believe any version of his life story, he already said he was an afghanistan vet and we all know that's a lie

>>1431391
None of the reasons in that article are good.

>>1431698
Why do you think I'm the person who says they live in Arizona and is a vet? I'm neither
>gets btfo resorts to calling people samefag
Oh it's that again

is anyone surprised the shill is still lying

>>1431378
Yes, I never understood why the Yankees are against this. It's literally the norm all over the world.

>>1431706
id is required to vote no matter how much you shill otherwise

>>1431544
Ok

>>1431707
>shill
??

>>1431709
yes, you

>>1431703
The reasons in the article are fine you just don't like them.

>>1431710
Nah

lmao I go away for a few hours and the Chinese bot is attacking people he thinks is me.

>>1431684
>LOL sure you do
Is that the best you can do? Well I suppose arguing where I do or don't live is easier for you than trying to prove expiration dates on an ID that don't exist.

>>1431740
Cherry picking Arizona IDs against all the other state IDs that expire doesn't matter when there is no significant voter fraud and Trump can't mandate states to require IDs to vote with his EO.

>justifies their position by simplifying a problem down to a useless level of specificity
>declares victory
>keeps declaring victory
totes weirdchamp bro

>>1431741
>when there is no significant voter fraud
That we know of. Regardless, it's an insanely low hurdle to voting (even the homeless can afford to get an ID to vote), that every other western nation requires to prevent fraud, and it would do wonders to improve confidence in the integrity of our system - so much so that everytime it's brought up you people on the left burst into tears and throw a tantrum in the hallway at the suggestion, even though you can't give one legitimate reason why we shouldn't have it, save for DATS RACIST!!!

>>1431745
>Just ignore how many of these "common sense" proposals conveniently invalidate the forms of ID that most minorities don't have and take the most effort to get

>>1431745
No, not 'not that we know of'. There is no significant fraud beyond the few hundred cases in the last 10 years. Conservative thinktanks couldn't find any. Trump's own voter fraud commission couldn't find any. Not even Cyber Ninjas could find any.

>>1431745
>Just ignore how many of these "common sense" proposals conveniently invalidate the forms of ID that most minorities have and require the ones that take the most effort for them to get

>>1431745
Good post

>>1431750
You always seem to spam this right after you say it.

>>1431748
>and require the ones that take the most effort for them to get
Yeah can you tell me more about the effort taken to get them?

Because in between posting I went ahead and looked up the requirements for battleground states to get a voting ID or a state ID to vote. Here's the results:

>Arizona: $12 no expiration
>Georgia: Free every 8 years
>Michigan: $10 every 4 years
>Nevada: Varies by age, between $9.25 and $21.25 every 8 years
>North Carolina: Free for homeless, $14 every 8 years
>Pennsylvania: Free for homeless, $27.50 every 4 years
>Wisconsin: Free for voting ID, valid if expired after most recent election

Now you were saying something about "effort" and "minorities"... and the part about "invalidating the forms of ID" - can you elaborate on all of that, especially that part about invalidating IDs?

>>1431747
Yes, that we know of, and you still can't give one valid reason why we shouldn't require an ID to vote.

>>1431750
Thank you.

>>1431755
This article lays it out.
>https://esra.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1556/2020/11/hajnal.pdf
TL;DR: Every single strict voter ID law passed has resulted in a significant drop in minority voting, due in part to a lack of local stations to actually get those newly required IDs for minority communities.

>>1431755
No, not 'not that we know of'. How many independent different audits do you need before you accept that, because there have been hundreds.

>>1431760
Not him, but honestly I'm with with the 80% of Americans mentioned in your study that support national voter id laws.

If you want to vote, get a goddamn ID like every other functional member of society, and if you don't care enough about voting to identify yourself then I literally do not care and it's probably better if those people didn't vote anyways.

Is it undemocratic? Maybe in a purist sense. Is it more secure? Yes. Do I think every member of society should be able to vote? Honestly, no, if you don't contribute positively to society by going to school or working or youve done so already (retired) or you have a get out of responsibility free card for being disabled, then no, I don't really think you have the right to voice your opinion in how government should be ran.

>>1431763
No.
>b-b-but other countries
This is such a stupid argument. We aren't other countries, and we do things differently here. That's why we have free speech and gun ownership laws.

>>1431760
We're pulling college homework as sources now?
>Yet, empirical studies of the impact of these laws on minority turnout have reached decidedly mixed results.
Off to a flying start.
>Our primary analysis uses aggregate county turnout data from 2012 to 2016
Because Romney and Obama was such a close call, amirite?

>TL;DR: Every single strict voter ID law passed has resulted in a significant drop in minority voting, due in part to a lack of local stations to actually get those newly required IDs for minority communities.
Yeah I remember hearing about this with Atlanta during the 2016 election... only to look up active DMVs and find them sprinkled all over the city.

Not that it really matters because your homework assignment barely addresses it. In fact it debunks it:
>In upholding that state’s voting requirements, Judge Schroeder concluded that no evidence had been produced to demonstrate that Blacks would be adversely affected. He ruled that "...minorities enjoy (an) equal and constitutionally compliant opportunity to participate in the electoral process" (Scott 2016).
Now here's the amazing part:
>What this means is that new evidence that demonstrates an undue burden on minorities might hold sway
How the fuck did the writers get that from a judge saying there's no proof blacks would be adversely affected and they have an equal chance to vote as everyone else? Do the authors browse /news/?

As fun as that was to read, next time post a news article or something similar. Not some English paper you stole off Coursehero.

>>1431762
Go back in time to 2016 and tell that to everyone who was shouting IT WAS HER TURN!!!

>>1431763
>being a good little worker drone for some corporation is "contributing positively to society"

>>1431764
Not him, "We aren't other countries, and we do things differently here" is such a stupid argument. Furthermore I'm glad you brought up gun ownership laws. Can you explain why I have to show an ID to purchase a firearm, even though it's my right, but there's no ID requirement to vote because MUH BLACKS MUH BURDENS MUH COLLEGE ENGLISH 101 PAPER?

>>1431764
>We aren't other countries, and we do things differently here
Yeah we do. We have Democrats arrested every year for rigging their local primaries. And in the national level, I don't think the DNC has had a fair and honest primary since 2012

>>1431767
Good post

>>1431766
Sure, or owning you own business, or contracting, or whatever.

This may come as news to you, but most people who live in this country don't sit around all day smoking fentanyl from their tent in an alleyway behind a Portland Starbucks, stealing Amazon packages to make money, but you do, which is why the whole concept of contributing to society is foreign to you, but for most people what I'm saying about contributing to society makes sense, because they also contribute to society. You're just going to have to take my word on this one

>>1431767
>there's no ID requirement to vote
because there's a requirement when you register to vote, numbnuts
someone can't steal your vote if you vote
there's a whole month before final results are in

>>1431765
>let me just ignore all the actual data cited by the article and stick to my worldview because obviously there's totally a dmv down the street

>>1431764
Oh and by the way! I just realized that your "We aren't other countries, and we do things differently here" stance is THE FUCKING OPPOSITE when discussing gun ownership laws in America.
>>1430368
>>1430743
>>1431649
Funny how "We aren't other countries, and we do things differently here" doesn't apply whenever there's another gun control thread.

>>1431773
>my dogshit college paper debunks my own argument and I can't refute anything
>this is why the professor only gave me a C+
Keep going. Tell me more about this unfair burden minorities have and all the extra effort they need to put in to vote compared to everyone else.

>>1431776
I don't think you understand that there is literally PHYSICAL PRECEDENT that these policies cause less minorities to be able to vote. These aren't hypotheticals; states that implemented these exact policies saw a drop in minority voting following them. In your worldview, why is that?

>>1431778
>>In upholding that state’s voting requirements, Judge Schroeder concluded that no evidence had been produced to demonstrate that Blacks would be adversely affected. He ruled that "...minorities enjoy (an) equal and constitutionally compliant opportunity to participate in the electoral process" (Scott 2016).

>>1431690
Because the guys pushing it just want to use it as a means to get less people to vote.

>>1431779
>Me when I take a quote the study literally calls out as being potentially inaccurate and ignore the actual direct evidence showing a drop off in minority voters following ID mandates.

>>1431373 (OP)
Only if they make access to these IDs free and easy, and you know damned well they don't want to do that.

>>1431782
>I can only call it potentially inaccurate because my homework assignment was so vague it never demonstrated where Judge Schroeder was incorrect.
>I also made up a bullshit claim that the drop off in minority votes was due to a lack of local stations to get those newly required IDs (not a new requirement btw) but my report doesn't say that anywhere.
>STOP USING MY OWN SOURCE AGAINST ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LMAO 10,000 KEKS

>>1431784
>In particular, the gap between white and non-white turnout increased more in states enacting new strict ID laws than it did in other states. Specifically, the analysis indicates that all else equal, the probability of a racial and ethnic minority registered voter turning out to vote declined by eleven percent more in states enacting a new strict ID state in 2016 than it did elsewhere. This pattern also held up when we controlled for other individual demographic factors. (see the online appendix for more detailed results).
Please explain this.

>>1431783
Scroll up. We already covered how swing states either have free IDs or IDs so inexpensive even the poorest in our nation can afford them.

>>1431785
>>>In upholding that state’s voting requirements, Judge Schroeder concluded that no evidence had been produced to demonstrate that Blacks would be adversely affected. He ruled that "...minorities enjoy (an) equal and constitutionally compliant opportunity to participate in the electoral process" (Scott 2016).
Please explain this.

>>1431786
>Guys it's free/cheap!
>Just ignore how it'll require driving 40 minutes to a DMV where you must then wait 2 hours to get served, for an ID you will use maybe once every two years or so at most.

>>1431790
So in other words the same inconvenience that every other American has to go through.

>>1431783
Weird how mostly veveryone's doing precisely that except Democrat states

>>1431792
Well maybe they can make it NOT an inconvenience? I mean shit some people can't afford cars and everyone knows that public transport out there is shit-to-nonexistent, how do they cope?

>>1431795
>WAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH AAAAHHHH IT'S NOT FAIR I HAVE TO STAND IN LINE WITH WHITE PEOPLE TO GET AN ID I DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT THIS IS RACISM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lol fucking democrats.

>>1431787
Actually I can. Because that exact law in that exact state got overturned because, yes, it WAS proven it DID have an effect on minorities.
>https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000156-3775-d2b4-a3d7-b7fdaa6a0001

Now, you still haven't been able to explain why there was a measurable impact on minority voters from these laws.

>>1431796
>Guys it's just an inconvenience that just so happens to mostly affect turnout for minorities and the poor
>Just relax it's fine we're doing voter suppression

>>1431799
>we're suppressing voters
>by having them meet the same standard as every other voter
>that they only have to endure for free, or less than I spend on lunch, every 4 - 8 years in some states and only once in others
Makes sense.

>>1431801
Are you making it harder for people to vote and thus have their voices heard?

Yes?

Then you are, by definition, doing voter suppression.

>>1431797
What's funny about this is that after the NAACP pulled that bullshit, North Carolina made it a constitutional amendment requiring photo IDs in person when voting.

>>1431802
>Yes?
No. The same standard to vote applies to whites, blacks, browns, yellows, purples, greens, blues, and every other fucking color you can think of. The same fees, the same long wait in DMV lines, the same hassle. By your definition this is discriminating against white voters as well.

>>1431805
So no actual response. BTW someone analyzed the results from the 2024 election, the first after they actually passed anything, and sure enough found that out of the portion of the legitimate votes that were discarded because of the rule, 30% of them were black in spite of NC having a 20% black population.
>https://www.npr.org/2024/12/03/nx-s1-5205348/north-carolina-voter-id-law

Also, still haven't explained all those other stats that show minority votes decreasing when IDs laws are implemented, so I'll just accept your concession.

>>1431806
Oh it'll hurt them too. But it sure is convenient that these laws have universally resulted in decreased minority voter turnout in every state they're implemented it. I'm sure that's just a wacky coincidence tho.

>>1431807
Just as I accepted your concession when you couldn't debunk your own article where the judge ruled there was "no evidence had been produced to demonstrate that Blacks would be adversely affected." because "enjoy (an) equal and constitutionally compliant opportunity to participate in the electoral process".

Which is why it's law is part of the state constitution now. Because people like you failed to demonstrate how equal standards for every resident in that state is unfair to blacks. Apparently 'we deserve preferential treatment because of our skin color' isn't an argument.

>>1431808
>Oh it'll hurt them too.
And yet they're able to endure the horrors of standing in line and paying the kingly sum of $10 every four years. How will whites survive?

shills going off in the weeds again
is it that hard to just let everyone registered to vote, vote?
it does when you're the GOP and know that your chances of winning go up when less and less people vote
no wonder the shill is busy chasing any argument they can to justify removing legitimate voters

>>1431810
>>1431810
>Just as I accepted your concession when you couldn't debunk your own article
Putting your fingers and your ears doesn't mean it wasn't debunked retard.

>Which is why it's law is part of the state constitution no
Which is why it's getting actively challenged right now retard, as it has been every single time republicans snuck it in.
>https://ncnewsline.com/briefs/north-carolina-activists-launch-court-the-vote-campaign-to-fight-back-against-voter-suppression/
Because yes, it has concrete evidence it disproportionately affects black voters. Hell, as I just showed you, the only major election it was in place for showed it rejected a disproportionate amount of black votes.

>>1431813
>Because yes, it has concrete evidence it disproportionately affects black voters.
And how is that? Can you explain to me why black voters can't meet the same requirements as the entire rest of the country? Or are you going to keep ignoring your own college report more?

>>1431814
I have both shown and explained it several times over. You refuse to believe your eyes and ears even as the raw stats showing that it is objectively true these laws cause less minorities to vote are shown to them.

>>1431815
>I have both shown and explained it several times over.
No you've shown that there is a decrease in black voters. You can't explain why that is. You tried to blame it on the distance to DMVs, and put a random college paper ChatGPT gave you as your source, only you were too stupid to read it before posting and didn't notice that the report doesn't say anything about distance to DMVs despite you claiming it to be tl;dr.

So, AGAIN, why can't they meet the same standard as EVERY OTHER AMERICAN IN THE FUCKING COUNTRY? Why? Can you please answer why (of course not) black Americans can't obtain an ID the same way whites, Hispanics and Asians do?

>>1431816
>Why?
Because they're too retarded and lazy to get an ID, anon. That's why.

>>1431817
And this is why we have people in this thread from other countries asking why Americans don't require a common-sense measure that every other nation has.

Because ID is racist.

>>1431818
nah, you're just throwing a tantrum for no reason

>>1431815
>these laws cause less minorities to vote
Here's a nice find: in 2008 Georgia required ID to vote and the number of black voters increased, from 834,000 to 1.2 million.

So that would prove your claim incorrect then, yes?

>>1431820
>muh cherry picked example applies to all states at all times
No.

>>1431812
The gun fag doesn't care either way and the good post spammer is just here to upvote the gun fag.

>>1431821
>Voter ID laws suppress minority voters!
>How?
>Uh.... I dunno, but it's objectively true that they always cause less voters!
>But this state saw more voters after requiring IDs.
>Uh.... S-st-stop cherry-picking baka!

>>1431825
You already got BTFO in >>1431813
and >>1431807.
And yes, you should stop cherry picking. It's embarrassing.

>>1431831
>You already got BTFO in >>1431813
>Hell, as I just showed you, the only major election it was in place for showed it rejected a disproportionate amount of black votes.
>Pay no attention to this other state that saw an increase in the amount of black votes!
LOL

>>1431879
just google "red states suppress black votes" retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

>>1431880
Just explain how having the same standard to get an ID for every single person is racist against blacks, retard.

>>1431883
No one believes all states have the same standard but you, so I'm not going to explain it.

>>1431885
Because you can't explain it. Nobody can explain why blacks need special treatment to be equal to the rest of the nation. How the same standard that applies to everyone else equally is racist towards them.

>>1431888
>>1431880

>>1431889
>>>>In upholding that state’s voting requirements, Judge Schroeder concluded that no evidence had been produced to demonstrate that Blacks would be adversely affected. He ruled that "...minorities enjoy (an) equal and constitutionally compliant opportunity to participate in the electoral process" (Scott 2016).

(cherrypicking intensifies)

>>1431891
>he said in response to a quote taken from his college homework assignment for a state he cherry-picked
lmao I bet you regret using ChatGPT to look up sources for your arguments, don't you?

>>1431892
No, you're being disingenuous about the 20 sources on the first page of a google search of the terms in >>1431880.

>>1431893
We're only talking about voter ID laws, Anon. Now can you please explain how they're racist without using the phrase "cherry-picking" this time?

>>1431901
Ask Grok retard

>>1431914
Unironically, AI gives a better answer than you faggots can. Instead of saying "it's racist" they say "it's complicated".