Thread 1438272

Democrats promise to shutdown the government. They look forward to it. it would probably be an improvement
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5508947-looming-government-shutdown-threat/
Democrats say shutdown necessary to send ‘message’ to Trump

Democratic senators say that unless Republicans scrap their plan to advance a “clean” seven-week continuing resolution, they don’t see any option other than defeating it as a way to send a “message” to President Trump.

Doing so would almost certainly trigger a government shutdown, something Democrats avoided earlier this year but is increasingly looking inevitable this fall.

Democratic senators, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the looming shutdown has been the chief topic of discussion in recent caucus meetings.

They said Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.), who took enormous heat from his left flank after voting for a GOP funding bill earlier this year, has not laid out any plan B to avert a shutdown before the Sept. 30 deadline.

“Donald Trump gave us the middle finger, there is no alternative,” said one Democratic senator, who requested anonymity to discuss caucus strategy.

A second Democratic senator said a brief shutdown would give Democrats a “win,” even if it doesn’t result in any concrete policy concessions from Republicans. This Democrat said doing so would send a “message” to Trump that the White House can’t continue to steamroll Congress.

“Without some accommodation, some compromise, I think there probably will be a shutdown for a period of time."

The second senator said they would not vote for the stopgap measure funding the government through Nov. 21, which House Republicans plan to pass.

“I hate a shutdown anyway, we don’t have any choice. We can’t go along with what they’re doing,” the senator said. “We should use every lever we have, and this is one of the very few levers where we can actually push [Trump].”

“If Trump declares martial law, well, let him be transparent and show the world that’s what he thinks his ultimate goal is,” they added.

Congress has little time to avoid a shutdown. Lawmakers are expected to be out next week for Rosh Hashanah and would return to the Capitol on Sept. 29 on their current schedule.

Democratic senators familiar with the deliberations within their caucus right now count six Democratic votes — at most — for the seven-week continuing resolution that is expected to reach the Senate on Friday or Saturday.

The party likely would need at least eight votes to help Republicans reach the 60 votes necessary to move Senate legislation forward. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has said he will vote against the funding measure because it prolongs spending put in place by the Biden administration.

Senate Democratic leaders haven’t conducted a formal whip count yet, but lawmakers believe that Sens. John Fetterman (Pa.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Maggie Hassan (N.H.), Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), Jacky Rosen (Nev.) and Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with Democrats, are likely or possible “yes” votes.

Fetterman has said repeatedly he will not vote to shut down the government.

He said a shutdown “is never a good idea,” even though he “fully supports” extending the enhanced health insurance premium subsidies under the Affordable Care Act, which are due to expire at the end of the year.

Fetterman is worried his Democratic colleagues have staked out such a strong position ahead of the Sept. 30 funding deadline that a shutdown is inevitable.

“They are actively painting themselves into the corner. That’s why I’m deeply concerned there will be a shutdown,” he said. “I won’t be a part of it.”

Senate Democrats have crafted an alternative government funding measure that would extend the expiring health insurance subsidies, restore Medicaid funding cut by the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and prevent the Trump administration from clawing back previously appropriated funding through “pocket rescissions.”

Republicans, however, say these demands are a nonstarter.

Senate Democrats say there’s been a dramatic shift in strategy since March, when Schumer and nine other members of the Senate Democratic caucus voted for a House-passed, Republican-drafted continuing resolution to avoid a shutdown.

Schumer’s vote sparked a furious backlash from the Democratic Party’s base and briefly raised questions about his future as Democratic leader.

Six months ago, Schumer didn’t take a hard line against the House-GOP drafted continuing resolution while it moved through the lower chamber, leaving it ambiguous whether Democrats would ultimately support it in the Senate.

Democratic senators say it was clear in March that Schumer wasn’t ready to force a shutdown to push back against Trump.

Sources familiar with conversations among Senate Democrats in March said they didn’t have a clear strategy over how to handle the continuing resolution if it passed the House and defaulted to just hoping Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) couldn’t muster enough votes to send it across the Capitol.

Now, Schumer is making it clear to Republicans that the House-crafted stopgap will fail in the Senate, even though he hasn’t laid out a plan B.

>>1438272 (OP)
Republicans do this every year

>>1438272 (OP)
you're welcome for having to paste the rest of your article you intentionally left out btw

>>1438278
I pasted the entirety that would fit in the first post from the first word up to the character limit. If you are implying I left out anything due to any intent other than pure laziness you are wrong.

Thanks for posting the rest, because I didnt feel like posting 7 times or whatever it would have added up to

>>1438272 (OP)
So much for Democrats being the adults in the room…

>>1438282
>Senate Democrats have crafted an alternative government funding measure that would extend the expiring health insurance subsidies, restore Medicaid funding cut by the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and prevent the Trump administration from clawing back previously appropriated funding through “pocket rescissions.”
Indeed they're the only adults in the room.

>>1438278
Additionally, whatever you are implying, I support their actions. Shut the government down until the budget is balanced. I 100% support this. Our Congress is supposed to handle laws and budgets and they are doing a poor job on both fronts so I don't see why we should pay them tax money our tax money. I'm all for shutting it down until they get their act together

>>1438281
You already know it was only twice.I couldn't help but notice it becomes a very different news story than the contextless blame piece it was with just the first part.

I expect Cuck Schumer to pussy out again. These people are pathetically ineffective at standing up to fascism

>>1438287
I doubt it based on your /pol/ pic but w/e

>>1438283
>Democrats really want more money for Insurance companies are are willing to inconvenience Democrat-leaning government employees to get it
I hope they all get Mangone'd.
And to be clear, Luigi, not Chuck.

>>1438294
esl

>>1438294
Same party that gets people fired for not caring enough about Charlie Kirk btw

>>1438293
Why are you so obsessed with that? Boogeyman? You don't want to actually engage with anything, You just want to perform this stupid othering ritual even when I say I support what is happening and why
Btw, picture was from /b/

>>1438297
u mad

>>1438295
I'll pass, incel.

>>1438301
it's cute how you've developed a (laughable) defense mechanism, esl shill

>>1438272 (OP)
We know it won't happen. Schumer already made it clear they'll fold like a wet paper bag after a bit of posturing.

>>1438302
Question, faggot, why do you think calling people "esl" shills is effective? I haven't posted here in like 6 months and you're still on this same bullshit.

>>1438297
It's obvious you posted just enough of the story to make it look like democrats were doing this for no other reason but to be spiteful, without the additional context of them doing it to try to pass medcaid and health insurance restoration and limit Trump's power to cut whatever he wants. This isn't a boogeyman, or an "othering ritual", it was an attempt on your part to spin a news story which was caught by another user of the board.

>>1438294
No, please inconvenience a government employee like me. I've had enough of return to office mandates so it would be a nice vacation. I have more than enough money saved up to weather a month or two.

>>1438316
Reframing their own failings as other peoples problems is the Republicunt way.

They just think America is so fucking stupid that they can get away with not negotiating with Democrats, and blaming Democrats for not voting for things they were frozen out on.

Republicunts have majorities in Congress, let them pass their own shit with no democratic input if they want. If they want Dem votes, they need to take Dem input.

>>1438324
>They just think America is so fucking stupid that they can get away with not negotiating with Democrats, and blaming Democrats for not voting for things they were frozen out on.
The last several decades have proven that correct.

>>1438316
>It's obvious you posted just enough of the story to make it look like democrats were doing this for no other reason but to be spiteful
You are unhinged as fuck. Copy my op and put it in a character counter and compare it to the 2k character limit on posts you conspiracy theorist.

I copied exactly what would fit in the opening post. I had no idea it would personally offend you and make you fly off the handle ffs

>>1438274
>Lawmakers are expected to be out next week for Rosh Hashanah
lmao lol

>>1438324
You are not American and you are not white. Be gone Ranjeet

esl shill is projecting again

>>1438296
Call me when someone's sued repeatedly for not baking a straight wedding cake.

>>1438318
Well, someone's grown exceptionally fat off of daddy gubbmint's teat, I see.

I'm a spamming faggot who loses every argument. and i don't actually know english, which upsets me

>>1438272 (OP)
>congress needs to work out a budget or the government shuts down
>republicans need democrat votes
>but refuse to negotiate with them at all because Trump told them not to
>and don't have a plan B
>"I can't believe the Democrats are shutting down the government!!"
Yeah, me neither.

The government not working might work because it doesn't work when it's working.

>>1438294
Fuck off, pussy fag libtard.

it's lashing out again

>>1438557
You're actually a faggot that has never engaged in a serious discussion.

>>1438650
talking to yourself now? is this a new low?

>>1438651
Why do you do this? Is there nothing important in your life?

>>1438655
why are you mad? i can't make fun of you in my free time, shill?

>>1438625
Lol. This 110%

>>1438662
But you're not even making fun of me. You're just making inane and retarded posts.

>>1438647
Aww, Ork off the top ropes. And magat is down. 1, 2 ,3 it is over, folks. One hellofva fight tonight. Mean Gene signing off.

>>1438625
Republicans fell into the classic conservative trap of perpetual opposition. They are most comfortable when they don't actually hold power, allowing them to bitch and moan and grift without actually having to deal with this leadership shit. Once they actually take charge, they haven't a damned clue what to do, and keep blaming the country's ills on their opponents even when said opponents have had no ability to influence those things in years.

>>1438625
Democrats are literally shutting down the government though.

>>1439476
Republicans have held the House and Senate since 2022. What are you talking about m8?

>>1439479
The Senate needs 60 votes to pass the resolution and there are only 52 republicans. Did you really expect them to go along with Trump's Project 2025 agenda?

>>1439476
That's one way of looking at it. However, even when in power they don't usually seek change, they walk the same terrible path leftists do.
Which suggests that both sides are part of a system designed to progress no matter who's elected and the "different sides" exist to divide the populace so the machine can keep running without full opposition.

>>1439484
>However, even when in power they don't usually seek change
Could have fooled me.

>>1439479
The Republicans literally shut down their own border control bill because the Dems agreed to it, and they thought that instituting it would make Biden more popular with swing voters.

>>1439488
I know it's hard, but can you quit being a retard on the Internet?

>>1439487
>Could have fooled me.
What have they changed?

>>1439496
Ask McConnell.

>>1439501
Asked him. He said it's a fool's errand asking a Democrat or leftist not to lie or bend to truth to attempt gain power.

>>1439501
McConnell isn't the Senate Majority Leader anymore.

>>1439508
You didn't really ask him because you didn't use your turtle voice imitating McConnell.

>>1439536
>You didn't really ask him because you didn't use your turtle voice imitating McConnell.
No I did. I was wearing a turtle neck sweater when I posted it.

>>1438324
>If they want Dem votes...
Who cares anymore about Dem votes? They flooded the West with feminism, LGBT and fucking brown people, my man. Martial Law the lot of them, send them out on boats to Haiti or Mexico with the browns and the feminists and they can see how well they do with the goodwill of cartels and revanchists. They're not Americans any longer.

>>1439885
You’re not American

>>1439897
Neither are browns, feminists and faggots. 'American' is both a people and a state of mind. Not going to fall into this he-said-she-said bullshit about identity, I know who I am. Fuck off, we're full.