Thread 1450028

President Donald Trump's new plan to purchase additional beef from Argentina to lower prices for consumers in the United States has sparked backlash from critics and alarm from some American producers—as the administration already faces questions and criticism for its recent $20 billion bailout of the South American nation.

Meriwether Farms, a beef producer based in Wyoming that said it supports and loves Trump, described the plan as an "absolute betrayal to the American cattle rancher" in an X post Monday. "The continued manipulation and betrayal by the very people who claim to support them [cattle ranchers], needs to end immediately," the producer said.

Newsweek reached out to the White House for comment.

Trump is acutely aware of voters’ concerns about inflation, a key issue that helped to deliver him the White House in the 2024 election—and one that could hurt him in next year’s midterms if the cost of living remains a problem under his leadership.

The announcement also came as the Trump White House has sought to help ally Javier Milei, the libertarian president of Argentina, avert an economic crisis in his country with a $20 billion bailout, a move that has sparked criticism from American farmers and some within his own MAGA movement.

>https://www.newsweek.com/argentina-beef-trump-plan-sparks-fury-bailout-10908176

>>1450028 (OP) (Cont)
Trump said Sunday that his administration would import beef from Argentina to help tackle persistently high prices as the supply is throttled by drought, a flesh-eating pest and other issues affecting cattle.

"We would buy some beef from Argentina,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he traveled from Florida to Washington, D.C. “If we do that, that will bring our beef prices down.”

The price of beef, alongside other everyday essentials, has soared this year largely because screwworm outbreaks have weakened already diminished cattle herds.

According to the most recent data from the Department of Labor, the beef and veal index rose 13.9 percent in the 12 months to August, with uncooked beef steaks up 16.6 percent. Experts believe beef prices will remain elevated for the foreseeable future, given the lengthy process of replenishing herds and high tariffs on key exporting nations such as Brazil.

>>1450029 (Cont)
Meriwether Farms sounded the alarm on the plan, with a message directed at the president.

"We love you and support you— but your suggestion to buy beef from Argentina to stabilize beef prices would be an absolute betrayal to the American cattle rancher," the beef producer wrote on X. While the company said it understands that prices are currently high, and that it admires Trump's "concern for all Americans," it said that beef producers would suffer if the plan moves forward.

The producer said high prices are "the fault of politicians who have allowed BRICS-aligned entities to dominate the meat industry, that participate in price fixing and who also continually lie to their consumers. It accused Washington of facilitating "the squeezing of our own ranchers" for decades, "while allowing these entities to flood the market with cheaper, lower-quality imports."

Others on social media were quick to criticize the move as well.

"Guess when you get tired of bending over soybean growers, you can move on to cattle ranchers," Christopher Gibbs, a farmer and the chair of the Shelby County Democratic Party in Ohio, wrote in an X post.

Spencer Hakimian, founder of Tolou Capital Management, wrote: "Our own farmers go bankrupt and lose everything. Argentina gets another bailout. Are we at $50B to Milei yet?"

"Somehow, buying beef from Argentina, instead of struggling US farmers, is 'America First.' I’d like reporters to ask Republicans to explain how," Melanie D'Arrigo, executive director of Campaign for New York Health, wrote.

In an apparently sarcastic response to the plan, liberal political and economic blogger Matthew Yglesias wrote: "America First. Amazing."

>>1450030 (Cont)
Why Does Argentina Need a Bailout?
The Trump administration intervened in Argentina’s currency market after Milei's party suffered a big loss in a local election last month. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent announced the $20 billion financial rescue for the country, which boosted the peso.

However, given spending cuts within the U.S, the financial support was criticized by some, such as Democrats as well as Republicans, who said the money should have gone to Americans.

"Americans are getting decimated with high cost of living and skyrocketing insurance costs," Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, wrote on X last week. "Many of them have zero savings and some are maxing out credit cards to survive."

"Tell me how it’s America First to bailout a foreign country with $20 or even $40 BILLION taxpayer dollars," she added.

As Argentina faces financial turmoil ahead of midterm elections on October 26, the country's voters can voice their support or opposition to Milei's cost-cutting, free-market reform agenda.

>>1450031 (Cont)
Justin Tupper, president of the U.S. Cattlemen’s Association, in a press release: "When policymakers hint at intervention or suggest quick fixes, they can shake the market’s foundation and directly impact the livelihoods of ranchers who depend on stable, transparent pricing. Sudden price moves make it harder for independent producers to plan, invest, and keep their operations running.”

U.S. President Donald Trump to reporters aboard Air Force One: “We would buy some beef from Argentina. If we do that, that will bring our beef prices down because our groceries are down, our energy prices are down. I think we’re going to have $2 gasoline pretty soon—we’re getting close—and everything’s down. The one thing that’s kept up is beef. And if we buy some beef—I’m not talking about that much—from Argentina, it would help Argentina, which we consider a very good country, a very good ally in a place.

“Although I must tell you, if you take a look now, South America is turning. Those South American countries are starting to turn very much toward us. They’re getting away from socialism, and you can go right down the pack. But they are starting to turn. It’s pretty amazing.”

Meriwether Farms on X: "Why is it that members of Congress, Cabinet Secretaries, and other senior government officials continue to call farmers and ranchers the 'backbone of the country' while simultaneously screwing them with disastrous policy decisions? Do they even believe what they are saying or do they think we are stupid?"

What Happens Next
Trump did not specify how much beef would be imported under the potential deal. Meanwhile, Argentines head to the polls next weekend, with Milei’s party hoping to gain seats and strengthen its minority position.

OTHER SOURCES:
>https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/21/trump-argentina-deal-beef-imports-prices-us-cattle-industry.html
>https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-argentina-beef-milei-rcna238756
>

>They’re getting away from socialism
Yet you went towards Starmer's Labour with that deal you demanded with that not-Conservative government and they got the better part of that deal
Mak your fucking mind up, Two Minds or should that be No Mind Trump.
But US livestock farmers won't be in two minds about who to vote for in the midterms and it won't be Republican

>They’re getting away from socialism
Yet you went towards Starmer's Labour with that deal you demanded with that not-Conservative government and they got the better part of that deal
Make your fucking mind up, Two Minds or should that be No Mind Trump.
But US livestock farmers won't be in two minds about who to vote for in the midterms and it won't be Republican

Capitalism has failed everywhere it has been tried.

>>1450028 (OP)
To be fair, American ranchers are creating an intentional shortage to drive the price up.

>>1450073
Still not an excuse for literally bailing out foreign industries that are fucking over American industries. America first was a fucking lie.

>>1450074
If American beef was trying it wouldn't be issue.
Remember: competition is important to lower pricing.
And being a retarded faggot about it isn't.

>>1450078
Why does the competition have to be foreign? You're telling me we have no other choice but to fuck over the US industry to help another country's industry because this'll somehow help the US industry?

>>1450079
I'm not a SME here.
Here's a quick google search for you.
https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/blogs/canada-markets/blog-post/2025/05/29/north-american-beef-herd-slow-death
Let me know.

>>1450079
>Why does the competition have to be foreign?
Because half the country is running out of water and we already use a fuckton of land and water to raise cattle.

this is all part of bringing US jobs home to the US. Or Argentina. Or China. Or Qatar. Whatever.

>>1450083
As if you give a single fuck.

>>1450081
>>1450082
So basically
>America first!
>Unless it's the beef industry, in which case they deserve to get fucked and replaced with foreign sources
>Or the soy bean industry
>Or-

>>1450091
>noo you cant just... lower prices for consumers!
Wrong.

>>1450093
I thought it was short term pain, long term gain? That higher prices are worth bringing back american industries? What happened to all that?

>>1450094
Yes. But we have just been through a massive drought and screwworm has ruined herds in Mexico so our usual imports are down. Making use of Argentinian beef cuts the product deficit, reduces prices for consumers and supports a key ally.

>>1450096
>Making use of Argentinian beef cuts the product deficit
Shouldn't we be focusing on the beef that used to go to China, that they are now getting FROM Argentina?
>reduces prices for consumers
How?
>and supports a key ally.
Lmao what is this shit about Argentina being a "key ally"? We literally lose more to them than we get and they're still a few years away from economic collapse even with us picking up the bill.

>>1450097
1. We don't have enough beef because of drought
2. Mexico does not have enough beef because of screwworm
3. Argentina has beef
4. Supply increasing relative to demand decreases prices
5. Your obsession with Argentina is fucking weird.

>>1450099
>1. We don't have enough beef because of drought
Shouldn't we be able to substitute what we couldn't sell to China because of Trump's tariffs? What happened to America First?
>2. Mexico does not have enough beef because of screwworm
America First? Come on, we don't need those other countries. Trump said it himself; we need to focus on manufacturing here!
>3. Argentina has beef
And they're selling it to China after Trump blew up our farmers relationship with them. We are now literally supporting the industry that replaced us.
>4. Supply increasing relative to demand decreases prices
Again, what happened to high prices being the price we pay for American production?
>5. Your obsession with Argentina is fucking weird.
Tell that to Trump who's spending them billions while claiming millions for Americans is too expensive.

>>1450102
1. We don't have enough beef
2. Mexico is in NAFTA.
3. We want them to sell to us
4. Drought and screwworm
5. We didnt give them anything. Its a stop.

>>1450104
>5. We didnt give them anything. Its a stop.
We're giving them 20 billion in USD for the same amount in Pesos. The same amount in Pesos is 27 TRILLION; we are not getting that shit any time soon, but we already gave them the USD.

>>1450096
>supports a key ally
>a key ally
[citation needed]

>>1450112
>we are not getting that shit any time soon
Given that Argentina's explored dollarizing, even if we get it, it might end up less than worthless.

>>1450113
Trump and his admin have literally been asked point blank what the practical use of giving all this money to Argentina is. His only response was "They need it because they're dying and I like their president". Not a word of pragmatic reasons for it, just purely because he thinks they need it and Milei is his friend.

>>1450116
To be fair, he could've explained it in great logical detail and you'd still be complaining.
The reason: you don't give a single fuck because you simply want to win elections for Democrats so you have access to young boy's asses.

>>1450118
>To be fair, he could've explained it in great logical detail
But he didn't. And then his admin officials whose JOB is to do so also didn't. Because they don't fucking have one.

Literally how does it make sense to cut millions in foreign aide because "America first! No more wasting money!" and then turning around to spent billions on... foreign aide. For a country that's been fucked by their own leadership so hard Milei almost got lynched last time he went to face the public.

>>1450118
>he could've explained it in great logical detail
That would require such an explanation to exist.
>so you have access to young boy's asses
The elections don't secure anyone sexual access to children. They just let people in positions of power shield themselves from responsibility for making use of such access, by, for example, shutting down investigations against them and suppressing evidence.

On a related note, release the fucking Epstein files.

>>1450118
Pedophiles consistently vote red

>>1450121
>For a country that's been fucked by their own leadership so hard Milei almost got lynched last time he went to face the public.
The worst part is we're giving them money to incentivize them continuing to do the shit fucking over their economy. Usually foreign aid is tied to reforms we want to see so a country will be less of a shithole so we can get economic advantage out of it or so we get less refugees or so we can get political support for international initiatives. Here, we're assfucking the country, only going to create more refugees, and our international standing is the worst it's been in over a century.

And we aren't even helping out a US fruit company by doing it, just a Trump sycophant.

>>1450121
>>1450127
>>1450131
What exactly do you want from ME though?
Democrats will never be a viable voting option as whatever their agenda is is so far removed from prosperity and rationality that you will be unable to pick up any votes and Democrats are SO terrible they're still worth voting against.

>>1450113
>>1450116
I mean, if you dont have the background knowledge on geopolitics and dont understand the fight the US and China are having in LATAM then this would probably very confusing.

>>1450121
>and then turning around to spent billions on... foreign aide
Yes, if you misrepresent the nature and scope of the "aid" its certainly very contradictory.

>>1450132
Democrats have mindfucked you so much that you're bringing them up out of nowhere in a thread about Trump bailing out a brown lolbertarian.

>>1450135
>how dare Trump spend money keeping the first Pro-US President Agrentina has had since the late 1980's
>We should just let him fail and allow the pro-China Argentinian socialists back in power
This weird OBSESSION with Argentina on /news/ is extremely telling.

>>1450135
I mean, you're not complaining because you specifically care, you're complaining because you're electioneering so I don't know what to tell you, except being a faggot with a stupid agenda isn't working as intended.

>>1450079
>a previous president that became the standard for the Republicans since: in word, action, thought, and policy
Reagan was all for free trade

>>1450139
You're complaining about democrats in a thread that has nothing to do with democrats.

>>1450144
Alinsky tactics.

>>1450132
>What exactly do you want from ME though?
A policy defense would be nice. You should be able to articulate how things the administration does that you are for are good.

Or failing that, you should be able to disagree with Trump. Just say he's wrong.

Here. I'll show you. I'm a Dem and Biden's Israel policy sucked donkey ass.

>>1450133
>dont understand the fight the US and China are having in LATAM
So Trump leveraged the aid to get Argentina to stop selling soy to China?

Shut the fuck up.

>>1450153
>You should be able to articulate how things the administration does that you are for are good.
Once you explain Joe Biden in it's entirety, I'll be glad to.
Given I don't know, I'm not certain why you're trying to hold me accountable, nor do I really care. Maybe google it. I'm betting you just received some stupid marching orders or something.

>>1450157
>Given I don't know
If you don't know, why are you in favor of it, you dumb fucking shill?

>>1450153
As I said I don't even care about what happened with Argentina, but since you're such an insufferable fuckface, I went ahead and googled it.
We bought Pesos with Dollars. That's a currency exchange. We did not give Argentina $40 billion.

>>1450132
>Democrats will never be a viable voting option
Elsewhere, and for for fourteen years, Conservatives were in power. Indeed, since they were re-elected in late 2019 with a 'Thumping 80 seat majority', there were those who said that their political opponents would never be a viable voting option. Then on 4th July last year, said political opponents were elected with a 400+ seat majority: a massive landslide.
So why did Trump demand a deal with the leader of that Conservative-destroying government?
>Obama won: twice
Nothing's impossible.

>>1450156
>aid
What aid?

>>1450160
So gRumpf made a Forex investment?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! MAGA is kill.

>>1450160
>We did not give Argentina $40 billion.
The amount of pesos they've promised us is more than exists and the value of the peso is crashing. Even if they ever printed enough to pay us, we could do jack shit with it. We might as well have traded them $40 billion for magic beans.
>As I said I don't even care about what happened with Argentina
THEN WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING IT? LITERALLY JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!

>>1450163
>What aid?
The hearing aid you need when you watch the news from now on, gramps.

>>1450165
>The amount of pesos they've promised us is more than exists
Summer child does not understand how fiat currency works. Sad.
>LITERALLY JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Summer child is mad.

>>1450167
>reddit snark
Cute, but what "aid"?

>>1450165
>Don't know shit
>Don't do any research
>Don't understand shit
>Make it /new's problem
What a gay faggot.

Incel archetypes:

1. The Incel (The Suffering Truth-Teller)
Core belief: “The world’s rigged against me.”
Style: Cynical, self-pitying, darkly analytical.
Weapon: Blackpill logic.
Goal: To reframe failure as wisdom — “I lose, but at least I see clearly.”
How he competes: Claims truth over illusion; his masculinity is awareness, not success.
Threat: His fatalism poisons everyone else’s drive.

> “You’ll never make it. Hypergamy is real. Enjoy your cope.”
---

2. The Pseudo-Alpha (The Grindset Prophet)
Core belief: “If you’re not rich, ripped, or stoic, you’re worthless.”
Style: Aggressive, meme-heavy, performatively confident (“JUST. MAKE. IT.”).
Weapon: Success theater.
Goal: To dominate through appearances of mastery.
How he competes: Turns every thread into proof of superiority — “I’m doing what you can’t.”
Threat: His self-assurance hides deep fear of exposure.

> “You guys just don’t want it bad enough. Cold showers and charts, that’s all it takes.”
---

3. The Ironist (The Detached Nihilist)
Core belief: “Nothing matters. Caring is cringe.”
Style: Ironic, poetic, self-aware (“LMAO this thread is free entertainment.”).
Weapon: Detachment.
Goal: To transcend chaos by mocking it.
How he competes: Wins by not playing — too smart to care.
Threat: Exposes the insecurity behind both despair and ambition.

> “You’re all arguing over imaginary money and imaginary women. Incredible.”
---

4. The Traditionalist (The Order-Obsessed Moralizer)
Core belief: “Society fell when we abandoned real men and women.”
Style: Half-serious, half-edgy — invokes God, family, “nature.”
Weapon: Nostalgia.
Goal: To restore order through hierarchy.
How he competes: Claims moral superiority as social necessity.
Threat: His certainty suffocates nuance.

> “If you losers went to church, you wouldn’t be like this.”

Where's the American beef? This Argentinian beef tastes like pampas cow patties

>>1450182
Why $40 billion to Argentina?

>>1450169
>Summer child does not understand how fiat currency works. Sad.
We gave them 20/40 billion in USD. They cannot give us the 27/55 trillion in pesos it is worth. They promised they will EVENTUALLY, but they're so deep in debt their PREVIOUS loaners have all but admitted they won't be getting it back.

>>1450195
>why yes, I don't understand how fiat currency works

Argentina beef is better than USA beef, had less magat ranchers fucking them in their buttholes.

>>1450137
That sounds an awful lot like soft power, which we all know doesn't exist and we don't need and that's why we stopped giving any money for it.

>>1450199
>we give them 40 billion dollars
>They print 55 trillion more pesos to give us
>an amount now worth approximately $26 in total due to hyperinflation
>can't even burn them for fuel because they're digital
Shart of the deal.

>>1450226
$4.50 for aergenrestine ye or na?

>>1450248
I wouldn't buy Argentina for $1. That's a bottomless money pit.

>>1450256
It'll recover if they can stamp out leftism.

I've criticized Trump on almost all of his policies but hey if he gets me cheaper beef prices that's alright with me. If some beef producer "that said it supports and loves Trump" gets absolutely fucked then that's not my problem lmao.

>>1450028 (OP)
You do know that most beef consumed in the US is not from the US, right retard-kun? That most farmers, ranchers, and in fact just about everybody in the economy with goods to sell generally like to get more money for said goods, so they prefer to sell overseas at a markup? Most of our domestic meat consumption comes from Australia, New Zealand and South America, most of our beef crosses the Atlantic to feed Europeans, who in turn ship most of their beef to Asia and the Middle East.

We were already buying beef from Argentina, they're just buying more now because increasing the supply of a good relative to the demand of a good generally does cause prices to fall. Now stop throwing a bitch fit on our Tibetan Light Bulb Munching Forum.

>>1450267
Yeah so, Trump caused domestic beef to lose massive sales to China, then instead of buying from them, bought from the people that replaced them in selling to China, leaving domestic beef producers to get fucked.

>>1450268
We're not selling to the Chinks, Anon, like I said, most of our beef goes to feed Europe. European beef goes to feed the chinks.

>Leaving domestic beef producers to get fucked
Prove it or fuck off. Lets see your source, right now, with data on American beef actually losing value rather than being worth more than it ever has because of supply contractions. Post argument or fuck off and be resigned to forever being brown.

>>1450273
>Lets see your source, right now, with data on American beef actually losing value rather than being worth more than it ever has because of supply contractions.
I don't have a source and I made it all up

>>1450275
>I don't have a source and I made it all up
I know. Now fuck off, brownoid. The adults are talking and we don't need your shitty excuse for grey matter mucking up the works.

>>1450276
Does your mom know that you've taken her phone and are posting on adult sites?

>>1450275
>>1450276
Why are you talking to yourself?

>>1450273
>We're not selling to the Chinks, Anon
Yeah not anymore because they cut off that market. Before, however
>https://capitalpress.com/2025/10/14/u-s-farm-exports-to-china-cut-in-half-as-trade-beef-deepens/
>U.S. beef exports to China in 2024 totaled $1.58 billion. In March, China didn’t renew export certificates for hundreds of U.S. beef processors. Beef sales to China collapsed the following month.

>>1450258
>It'll recover if they can stamp out leftism.
>leftism
They've been led by far right libertarians for years. Why the fuck do you think their economy is in the shitter?

>>1450169
>Summer child does not understand how fiat currency works
I do, actually. As it's not tied to a physical asset, you have no guarantee you can do jack shit with it but pay debts to the guaranteeing country, in this case Argentina.

Last I checked we don't and have no reason to expect we ever will have debts to Argentina totaling more than all the pesos currently in circulation.

Dipshit.

>>1450294
>Why the fuck do you think their economy is in the shitter?
to be fair its not because of their far right libertarians
its because of our far right libertarians

>>1450282
Rightly so. The chinks should be allowed to starve and thus deplete the surplus population. The health of the human race should always take precedence over short-term quarterly profits and the Chinks are the unabashed enemy of all mankind.

>>1450303
Yeah so back in reality, we just lost a billion dollar industry while China immediately replaced us with a different country we are now bankrolling. Imagine not only losing your job, but then paying the salary of the guy they replaced you with.

>>1450303
>the health of the human race should always take precedence
If you really believed this you'd kill yourself

>>1450028 (OP)
Considering how beef industries in the states are so poorly run that Lung is literally illegal solely for the reason that our low health standards permit cows with pneumonia to be sold as perfectly safe beef, they deserve to be ram roded up the ass

>>1450256
Argentina's total GDP is $40 >>1450189

>>1450078
Cant have much competition when only a few mega corps own everything. A bit of 30s style trust busting wouldve been way better than this taco shit we got now.

>>1450028 (OP)
Trump really is just a massive cocksucker, isn't he? Leader of the most powerful country in the world and all he does is bow down to weaker assholes.

>>1450459
He's the perfect clown. Goes out and attracts everyone's attention with retarded shit while quietly giving you permission to butcher the country however you want. It'd be funny if it wasn't such a disaster, and if that retarded shit wasn't awful on it's own.

I've never seen a bigger group of retards doing mental gymnastics to suck Trump's dick and screw over Americans like I've seen from the faggots here.

Congratulations American sellouts. Enjoy losing everything you own to 'own' the libs.

>>1450501
I love how they can't even claim this is just the libs making things up or exaggerating to shit on Trump because it's the actual ranchers who are pissed and pointing out he's fucking them. So they instead just moved on to "well, they deserve it" even as it spits in the face of the entire "America First" movement.

>>1450501
>>1450534
>America does not have enough beef because drought
>Mexico (who sells us a shitload of beef) has a shortage due to parasites
>buy from Argentina to make up the shortfall and keep prices down for consumers
>HOMG BETRAYAL

>>1450541
Shouldn't we have a surplus of spare beef thanks to China canceling all their orders? Also, Argentina is the one who then took all those orders, meaning we're financing our farmers' replacement.

Also, if higher prices are bad, why are we doing any of this tariff shit? You can't say "the higher prices are just the price of prioritizing America First!" then turn around and fuck over American farmers because you don't want higher prices.

>>1450545
We have a shortage of beef because of droughtand pestilence. That is why prices are exploding.

Buying beef from Argentina will keep prices down. I don't understand why you're mad that the President is trying to keep red meat on American consumers dinner tables.

>>1450547
Why is the president fucking over american ranchers after repeatedly campaigning for America First even if it meant some higher prices? We not only canceled a massive chunk of their exports (which you'd think would've meant they would've had enough for the US even with the drought) but are now actively funding the people who took said exports from them. You literally have it from the ranchers themselves that they cannot survive this because Trump is pricing them out of their own market with inferior Argentinian products. This literally goes against everything he campaigned on.

>>1450541
>>1450547
https://apnews.com/article/beef-prices-cattle-imports-trump-argentina-9f8e9efd6e74e958c586ea1e32797ba2
'US ranchers oppose Trump’s plan to import more Argentine beef and experts doubt it will lower prices'
So say to their faces that they're wrong and they must do as you say and not only agree that your wrong opinions are right but they must continue to be 'Patriots' to your orange god - and why should Trump give a fuck about their financial woes - and not commit treason by refusing to do as you say and not vote Republican in the midterms & beyond.
Go ahead. I'm sure you can persuade those cattle ranchers to listen to you and they'll do as you say, amirite?

>>1450549
Again: there is not enough beef in America. Farmers have sold all the beef they have.

>>1450558
>Farmers have sold all the beef they have.
Did they suddenly find a new buyer for all the beef they couldn't sell China then? You'd think that would've made up for any potential shortfall. And if that's the case, why are those same farmers the ones saying this is a betrayal that will put them out of business?

>>1450566
>buyer for all the beef they couldn't sell China then
Yes.
>why are those same farmers the ones saying this is a betrayal that will put them out of business?
Youre asking why a person who sells a product wants to sell that product for the maximum possible profit?

>>1450569
And now we've looped back to "ok but the american farmers deserve to be fucked over". Argentina First am I right?

>>1450577
>Argentina First am I right?
As far as Trump is concerned, yes >>1450560
I'm sure all those US ranchers will agree with you, amirite MAGAts of /news/?

>>1450577
>ok but the american farmers deserve to be fucked over"
No. No one is saying that.

>>1450585
Trump is though, or he would tell Argentina to go fuck themselves. America First I'm sure you'll agree.
Is MAGA 'Make America Great Again' or 'Make Argentina Great Again'? It's certainly been 'MIGA' for quite a while.

>>1450585
But this is what's happening. And you're saying it doesn't matter how they're saying this is fucking them because they just want profit.

>>1450590
>>1450600
>nooooo beef has to hit $10 a pound!
Yeah, nah.

>>1450606
Is MAGA 'Make America Great Again' or 'Make Argentina Great Again'?

>>1450606
Ironically it won't even reduce the price by more than a few cents at most. Meanwhile our beef industry gets absolutely fucked, costing Americans jobs while the money spent on Argentina leaves the country.

Again, Trump made it clear higher prices were the price to pay for America First. Now he's putting America last by fucking our native producers in favor of flooding the market with inferior foreign product. Weren't the whole goal of the tariffs to STOP doing this?

>>1450612
Our beef industry is already fucked.

>>1450612
>it won't reduce the price
>its going to kill the beef industry
Holy shit pick one.

>>1450618
I've chosen the 3rd option:
Complain about it and make it dRumpf's fault to get votes for the party who didn't do anything about it when they were recently in power.
Please vote for us.

>>1450618
No, because it does both. Someone already made a separate thread with an article that explains why >>1450560

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The National Cattlemen’s Beef Association along with the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund United Stockgrowers of America and other farming groups — who are normally some of the president’s biggest supporters — all criticized Trump’s idea because of what it could do to American ranchers and feedlot operators. And agricultural economists say Argentine beef accounts for such a small slice of beef imports — only about 2% — that even doubling that wouldn’t change prices much.

>>1450028 (OP)
Oh and in comes Trump telling the cattle ranchers they're actually doing incredible and are just being inconsiderate and greedy.
>https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115418813519600271

>>1450626
>it won't decrease prices
>it will drive the farmers out of business!
Pick. One.

>>1450028 (OP)
>>1450029
>>1450030
>>1450031
>>1450032
Holy fucking illiteracy. Tell your supervisors to hire shills with actual proficiency in English.

>>1450659
>it couldn't possibly do both!
It can and it will. Stop living in dreamland and come back to reality; there's far too little beef from the Argentinian market to make prices lower, but also supporting them over the already struggling native US ranchers will fuck them over and drive many to bankruptcy. Trump is choosing to flood the market with cheap foreign products to take a few cents off beef prices while leaving US ranchers to die.

>>1450668
So are we not buying Argentinian beef even as US ranchers beg for help and say this will fuck them over?

>>1450670
>>it couldn't possibly do both!
Basic economics says it literally cannot be both. Supply and demand.

>>1450675
Basic economics is that refusing to help native producers while replacing them with cheap and inferior foreign ones is a good way to fuck over your own industry. At the same time, there also isn't enough foreign beef to import to do any significant lower of prices either. We fill in the missing native beef with foreign beef, but there's not enough for it to reduce the already high prices, just stop them from raising any further. But then we'll run into higher prices anyway when our native ranchers go out of business and we can't import enough to replace the farms that no longer exist.

>>1450680
>its not going to affect prices
>its going to push locals out of business
Its one or the other.

>>1450675
Basic economics says that if I'm importing beef from Argentina using a government subsidy that makes it really cheap, I can sell that beef to supermarkets and restaurants for less than the local guys and then those consumer-end businesses can sell them to you at the same price for a greater profit.
Ask any restaurant or supermarket if they would like to buy beef for cheaper and sell it at the same price and they'll ask you to stop recording before they answer.

>>1450694
So is the Argentine beef actually being subsidized by the US government, or is this something like the $40 billion you were complaining about yesterday?

>>1450695
Yes, instead of, you know, OUR OWN FUCKING RANCHERS WHO ARE ACTIVELY LOSING BUSINESS TO THEM. We are literally subsidizing the foreign competition to an industry that's already in a rut, which goes against every single fucking thing Trump said about trade up until this point.

The money we give to Argentina is not coming back.

>>1450695
What exactly do you think "purchasing Argentinian beef" means? Do you think Trump is going to open up some commie government storefront? Fill his new ballroom floor to ceiling with imported shoeleather steaks?

>>1450696
>>1450697
Source?

>>1450698
Can you not read the OP anon?

>>1450701
Yes and the linked link in that link.
It doesn't say the US government is paying for the beef via subsidies.
So, if you have something showing this, that would be nice.

>>1450703
this is why everyone makes fun of you

>>1450705
So no sauce?

>>1450703
>Guys we're just buying Argentinian beef
>And giving them a 40 billion bailout that's a swap only on paper because they physically can't pay us back
>But we aren't subsidizing anything!

>>1450707
OK show me a policy that states your claim that we're buying Argentine beef with US tax dollars.
And explain
1. Why you're seething about Argentina
2. Why you're acting like a huge faggot on MY Internet.

>>1450708
So, to recap folks, we've gone from
>Libs are making it up
to
>It's not that bad
to
>Well our beef farmers deserve it
to
>Well it makes things cheapter
and now
>It's not even real

>>1450709
Seems more like we're here
>Some faggot is making it up
to
>Some faggot captured a passing comment
to
>Some faggot created it's own lore about this situation
and now
>Prove it, faggot

>>1450710
Trump literally said we would be buying beef from Argentina, then when our own ranchers complained he basically told them to shut up and be grateful because he's "lowering prices". This objectively happened.

>>1450711
Who is "we"?

>>1450712
not you, esl shill

>>1450028 (OP)
good fuck us farmer fucks no one wants your dehumanized animal cruel beef and poultry.

>>1450030
>New York Health,
>NEWYORK
karen disregarded

>>1450061
ahh yes because democrats are going to support farmers kekekeke
they aren't voting blue

>>1450716
tell that to FDR (who won because of the destructiveness of tariff policies and changed the political landscape for decades)

>>1450721
Are you sure that situation relates to current year tariffs?

>>1450722
it relates even more, since hoover fucked up the dollar relative to the gold standard, and trump is fucking up the dollar relative to the global petrodollar standard

>>1450724
Are you sure?

>>1450726
this is the last attention you get, spend your pennies wisely

>>1450727
Perfect

'Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history'
And the above quote is the reason why the one who said that was the last decent Republican president

>>1450731
What a fucking dumbass.

>>1450208
Argentina beef is grass-fed & is marbled.
US beef is grain-fed

>>1450741
>What a fucking dumbass
But enough about Trump

>vote for president who promises to destroy every sector of the economy
>"there's no way he will destroy *my* sector of the economy, because I voted for him :)"
>he destroys your sector of the economy
shocked pikachu face.jpg

>>1450962
No on voted for Biden

>no on
esl shill is definitely not hooked on phonics

>>1450966
I be black. Be leavin' me alane

All "people" who voted for trump should have their voting rights suspended for 50 years. And fined a good 100 0000$ for voting for that fascist.

>>1451480
You will continue to see Republicans until the day you die and you will never understand why :) and you'll die mad over it

1452606
You will continue to see Dem,ocratss until the day you die and you will never understand why :) and you'll die mad over it

>>1450079
>why is land finite?
Maybe if progressives didn't insist on using immigration to overinflate our population, we would have enough land to grow all of our own beef

>>1452606
>and you'll die mad over it
Actually there is a very good change that he himself will become conservative as he grows up, and will look back at this time and think "Wow, I really was ignorant when I was 20!"

Look at how many diehard college liberals from 20 years ago are now conservative. The left relies on an endless supply of brainwashed children to offset how many leftists grow up and become rightwing

>>1453642
That ain't happening anymore. Millennials in their 40s are more liberal than their parents at their age.

When the country's financial system fucks you over time and time again you tend to not to want to conserve that system of failure.

>>1453642
It is called aging sourly. Succumb to Greed, become a conservative. Succumb to hate become Maga.

>>1450028 (OP)
I think Trump might be a Maoist. He seems to really love the idea of China becoming the new #1 superpower.