Thread 1455331

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5594443-vance-pushes-back-snap/

Vice President Vance on Thursday pushed back on a federal court ruling that directed the Trump administration to make full Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) payments for November, arguing the court should not be telling the president how to spend money during a government shutdown.

“It’s an absurd ruling because you have a federal judge effectively telling us what we have to do in the middle of a Democrat government shutdown,” Vance said during a roundtable with Central Asian leaders at the White House.

“What we’d like to do is for the Democrats to open up the government of course, then we can fund SNAP and we can also do a lot of other good things for the American people,” Vance said. “But in the midst of a shutdown we can’t have a federal court telling the president how he has to triage the situation.”

U.S. District Judge John McConnell earlier Thursday rejected the administration’s plan to provide partial payments without tapping additional funds, saying it failed to comply with his previous order.

The Justice Department said it would appeal the ruling, throwing the fate of SNAP benefits for millions of Americans who rely on the program into limbo.

The Trump administration had intended to fully cut off SNAP payments for roughly 42 million Americans starting this month because of the government shutdown, which this week set a record for the longest in history. That led to two lawsuits that assert the benefits must keep flowing.

Last week, McConnell ruled the administration, at minimum, was required to deplete a roughly $5 billion SNAP contingency fund. But it was not enough to fully fund November benefits, which are expected to cost upward of $9 billion.

The Trump administration has sought to shift around money to cover things like pay for members of the military and a nutritional program for women and infants. But it has indicated it will not be able to provide funding for SNAP, and the Department of Transportation has said it will reduce the number of flights at certain airports in light of air traffic controller shortages during the shutdown.

Vance said the White House would look to fund certain government operations amid the strain of the shutdown, but would do so “according to what we think we have to do to comply with the law, of course, but also to actually make the government work for people.”

Feeding poor, exploited people is anti-American. Is Walmart paying more since the government isn't subsidizing worker pay with food stamps?

Giving money to poor Americans rather than their billionaire friends is absurd! Fuck those poor people, they didn't do anything to earn a 6 million dollar bonus this year. Fuck them! Let them starve. We need Trump to finish the Epstein room.

>>1455372
I'm all for ending all subsidies for walmart and forcing them to raise their workers wages plus giving them full health insurance coverage that includes women's health like abortion, at expense of what their shareholders get.

De PAIN! BOSS. De PAIN!!

>>1455331 (OP)
>We can't have a federal judge give away our leverage like that. This is absurd!

Oh no! SCOTUS is making the executive branch uphold its lawful duty to enact legislation Congress has approved? This is absurd that the three branch system as layed out in our Constitution is being enforced by the branch whose purpose is to rule on such matters as established by prior cases satisfying A Priori precedents.

>>1455429
>Democrat judges being Democrat judges
Yes, they are.

>>1455440

SCOTUS has a conservative majority, so where's the statement coming from? I'm trying to understand your logic.

It's not a Dem or Rep issue that was argued, it's a function of government processes which the court gave ruling to. Now, will the executive branch do as they've been told, or violate a court order like a nigger?

>>1455447
The shills don't get paid to use logic, quite the opposite in fact

>>1455447
See, that's where you're fucking retarded. Why don't you check your retard info from the retard factory and figure out why you're a fucking retard.

>>1455449
See >>1455449
Fucking eurarbians and Canajeets are soooo fucking smart.

>>1455449
>>1455449
See >>1455450
Fucking eurarbians and Canajeets are soooo fucking smart.

>>1455450

What about the poster's question upsets you, anon? Show us on the doll where it hurt you.

>>1455440
Doesn't take a Democrat judge to point out SNAP's policy is to use the emergency funds for this situation and the Trump admin is deliberately ignoring it to use hunger as a political tool.

>>1455467
Its a totally incorrect ruling that will 100% be overruled on appeal. Its a political decision by the Judge.

Friendly reminder: Trump admin is currently undefeated at court.

>>1455471
>Its a totally incorrect ruling that will 100% be overruled on appeal.
how is it incorrect? SNAP policy is to use the funds for this purpose. The Trump admin literally deleted the policy off their website to try and cover up how they were going against it. That's pretty deliberate.

>>1455474
>how is it incorrect for the Judiciary to tell the Executive how to spend money
Con law 101.

>>1455477
Back to r/conservative with you

>>1455477
Here, let me put this in terms you guys love to use:
>You gave them money for this purpose
>You can't suddenly say they can't use it for this purpose

>>1455481
Nah, I'll stay here because I know that just like 20-something other times this year, you will spend all week celebrating the district court ruling and then totally ignore the case when it inevitably gets overruled on appeal. In 24 hours, you'll be acting like nothing ever happened.

>>1455484
Legally speaking, SNAP does not currently exist. Because of the shutdown there is no congressional appropriation, so the court has ruled that the Executive must spend money that Congress has not appropriated.

DOJ will file an appeal (likely a mandamus) and they will ask for a stay and the stay will be granted and the ruling will be overturned on appeal. Like always.

>>1455485
>Legally speaking, SNAP does not currently exist.
lmao this is delusional. The government being shut down doesn't mean SNAP stops working; again, this is all written in their own operating procedures.

>>1455485
>https://web.archive.org/web/20251001024645/https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fy2026-usda-lapse-plan.pdf
>This obliterates the shill

>>1455487
Yeah hes gotta be a paid shill.

You are posting official source that is dead on describing this exact situation.
He is ignoring it & using pseud nonsense.
He'll probably sway a few "intellectuals"

>>1455487
>>1455488
Again: legally, SNAP no longer exists. There is no congressional appropriation. The court cannot order the executive to spend money that congress has not allocated.

Dont argue with me, just wait for the appeal ruling.

>>1455489
Again, nobody respects you or your opinion

>>1455490
>Dont argue with me, just wait for the appeal ruling.

>>1455331 (OP)
Hardly absurd. We have things called contracts and agreements and those in the civilized world follows them unlike the Trump administration that does whatever it wants to do!

>>1455489
>Again: legally, SNAP no longer exists.
Not how it works
>The court cannot order the executive to spend money that congress has not allocated.
They did allocate it. SNAP still has their emergency fund; Trump isn't even denying this, and is instead insisting they can't use it for this purpose. Not even the admin agrees with your statement.

>>1455465
>>1455467
Alright let's address your fucking retardation since the queer (acting like two queers) doesn't know.
>SCOTUS
Some rando Obama Democrat judge participating in this smear campaign ruling things that are legal, due to the government not being funded, as legal is ridiculous.
The fucking SCOTUS hasn't been addressed. The Democrats are creating news stories to seize power.
Congress has the power of the purse and congress is in a dealock thanks to Democrats not funding the government using their modicum of power.

>>1455504
SNAP has an emergency fund for these situations the Trump admin is refusing to let them use. Simple as that.

>>1455510
The working theory now is trump already stole all the money meant for SNAP emergency fund, aka to stop children from starving, and that's the real reason he's defying the court, because then he'd have to come clean on the theft.

>>1455504
This mother fucker working overtime to make up lies and bullshit to justify letting people starve in the richest country in the world. I’m guessing as a conservative you are a Christian? Well get ready to burn in hell for your evil hateful beliefs. You think the Christian god and Jesus you worship would think your hate for the poor is Christian righteousness? Gunna be real hot real soon bro. Get ready.

>>1455331 (OP)
This kind of shit is why they're going to lose every election for the next 15 years.

>>1455554
Only a egocentric retard like Trump could see a massive election sweep, admit that voters blame Repubs for the shutdown, THEN decide to double down and commit to starving people to the point of fighting a court order to feed them.

>>1455530
SNAP recipients are the fattest Americans, bar none.

>>1455557
He says, based on nothing.
Also cheap food in the US is full of fatty bullshit. It's a problem.

>>1455530
>Letting people starve
>Christian
If I were Christian it would be my duty to contribute to a church and volunteer to provide food.
Quick, faggot, give me a list of secular food banks.

I am on ebt and I literally use it to buy pumpkins for decorations every year. They don't let me not white pumpkins, only the orange ones.

>>1455440
So you're plainly admitting that Democrats are the ones who pay attention to laws of the land, you want Republicans who will ignore any law they decide they don't like.

>>1455567
>Quick, faggot, give me a list of secular food banks.
SNAP

>>1455577
And don't let the shill get away with the lie about only christians supplying food banks in churches. The so called christians he's referring to are too terrified to step within 50 miles of an urban area where a food bank is located in the first place

>>1455567
I worked in a church for 14 years, Christians as a general population are some of the least christ-like people on earth. Most of the Republicans who are against food assistance like SNAP consider themselves Christian even though they are hypocrites with massive houses and hoard wealth as a priority. Real Christians, that is those who follow the teachings of Jesus are very, very few and far between..

Luke 14:33 - In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.
Luke 16:13 - “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 19-21 - Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Luke 18-22 - When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Mark 10:22 - And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

>>1455391
take it you'll be out campaigning for Trump to raise the minimum wage then yeah?

thought not

>>1455585
>Expecting trump to do anything to help the working class when the economy is shambles under his policies and he's now starving children
LOL

>>1455565
>cheap food in the US is full of fatty bullshit
Yeah that was my point you fucking retard.

>>1455557
What's your basis for that statistic?

>>1455584
To add to this, reminder that these are the words of the people who knew Jesus Christ personally and the message he gave.

>Mark 10:25
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”

Most of those who call themselves Christian ignore the teachings of his real disciples. They quote "Paul" (the name Saul changed when he supposedly converted from being a Jew) who never met Jesus but still added a shit ton of his "insight" which is the basis Christians use when they are horrible to others. Not the words of the people who knew Jesus Christ and were inspired by him, they listen to the words of the Jew who heard that message then warped it for hisown gain.

>>1455447
My money's on violation because they will never suffer consequences.

>>1455447
>Now, will the executive branch do as they've been told, or violate a court order like a nigger?
What they will do is file a mandamus and ask for a stay of the lower courts ruling pending a decision on the mandamus. It will be granted.

>>1455502
>Not how it works
Literally how our country works.
>They did allocate it.
Allocation has lapsed.

>>1455690
>Allocation has lapsed.
They literally have the money still. Even the Admin's plan to only give half funding involves that money.

>>1455700
>They literally have the money still.
And the obligation to spend that money how Congress said it must be spent is gone.

Its wild to me that you clowns are so fucking buckbroken by Trump that you're unironically arguing that District Court Judges should be allowed to set Executive policy during an emergency.

>>1455705
>Its wild to me that you clowns are so fucking buckbroken by Trump that you're unironically arguing that District Court Judges should be allowed to set Executive policy during an emergency.
Why are you acting like the Judge is deciding the policy when he's literally pointing out it is SNAP's own policy? Trump's admin even deleted the fucking policy off their website in an attempt to hide that this was pre-set as the response.
>https://web.archive.org/web/20251001024645/https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fy2026-usda-lapse-plan.pdf
You cannot deny this, no matter how much the Trump admin tries to.

>>1455707
Do you have any evidence that's the policy?

>>1455720
...are you trying to insist it's fake now? The Trump Admin deleting it from their site does not remove it from existence internally.

>>1455723
Have you read it?

>>1455707
>SNAP's own policy?
Who sets SNAPs policy? Is it
a. the Executive
b. the Judiciary

>>1455745
Ohhh, Ohhh, I know this one!
It's "A". This document says it's the OMB which is the executive branch.
Also it's subject to the The Anti-Deficiency Act.
The question is, do Democrat judges even care about the law?

>>1455331 (OP)
Vance really should rock this fucking hairstyle.

>>1455751
>Also it's subject to the The Anti-Deficiency Act.
...which wouldn't apply since this would be their previous fund, which again, per the policy, is applicable for this situation.

The irony is since the government is shut down, the policy can't change because it would need to be approved.

I don't know why Trump is pressing this issue; it only looks bad for him being the one actively suing to prevent americans from eating, openly stating it is because it might cause Democrats to cave, but not Republicans since they don't care about the starving or poor.

>>1455816
You realize that cutting shit like SNAP is longstanding Republican policy right?

>>1455820
Which is why this is so confusing from a political angle. You've got Trump openly admitting this position isn't popular and that the shutdown is affecting their chances... and then fucking doubling down on it? It's almost like he wants the Republican party to die before he does.

>>1455816
You know there's more than one program tied to those funds, and there's no sign that the Dems will stop holding the government hostage to ensure billions in profits to insurance companies.

>>1455860
Cool GOP talking points

>>1455467
>SNAP's policy
If it's law then Trump would follow it.
If it's policy of the executive, then it is at the executive's discretion.
Not a judge.

>>1455884
You really get paid to go nananabooboo huh

>>1455751
>>1455884
>it isn't illegal when Trump does it
Do you people ever stop becoming self-parodies?

>>1455898
Who sets the policies of the various agencies of the Executive?

>>1455898
Conservatism is inherently authoritarian, so it's a given the conservative party, the republicans, would want trump to be above the law and a king.
It's why they got so pissed at the No Kings rally and did everything to smear them.
The idea that the peasants would reject their rule is inconceivable to them.

>>1455909
There is more than one way for Congress to override The President when they aren't on their knees sucking his cock like this Congress is.

>>1455825
He knows he won't get into heaven so instead of seeking salvation, he's opting to drag down the sinners he aligned himself with