Thread 28437750

let's have a thread appreciating the king of generalist vehicles
>more cargo than a sedan or hatchback
>better seating position than a sedan
>better on crappy roads than a sedan
>better handling than a truck
>more economic than a truck
truly the one car that does it all

I like crossovers but people say they are girl cars so i am self conscious about it

>>28437750 (OP)
>truly the one car that does it all
It really is, and these days a significant portion of people buying new cars have realized that. The only people hating this form factor are 'entooziasts" who want to larp as racers, but are too poor to afford an actual sports car.

>>28437750 (OP)
> a new challenger enters the ring

>>28437750 (OP)
Hoping to get one of those RAVs before the new one comes out. Hideous.

>>28437750 (OP)
>>28438055
https://voca.ro/1gSLGVufSLxS

I'm going to cut my cock off and buy a crossover

>>28437841
>It really is, and these days a significant portion of people buying new cars have realized that. The only people hating this form factor are 'entooziasts" who want to larp as racers, but are too poor to afford an actual sports car.
Vehemently disagree. I've driven crossovers and "regular" cars that are based on the same platform, and the crossovers feel very unpleasant to drive by comparison. The vague, floaty handling is unpleasant when driving completely normally. Not only that, but compared to the equivalent conventional hatchback, their additional bulk usually results in less usable interior space. The wagon version of the conventional car will of course blow both out of the water.
The crossover mostly became dominant in countries that lack a "wagon culture". Compared to a sedan, a crossover is a far more practical vehicle, but if your baseline is hatches and wagons, then its only real benefit is that geriatrics can get in more easily.

>>28438215
Normgroids can't turn. They think good handling is when a car tracks in a straight line.

I don't care for cuvs one way or the other but I love these threads because there's always this one idiot who will say
>Crossovers are GAY and for CUKS because they have worse mpgs than a sedan, less passenger space than a minivan, can't haul as much as a truck, and can't off-road as well as a 4x4
And when asked, which vehicle should people be buying that has the same mpgs as a sedan, as much passenger space as a minivan, can haul as much as a truck, and off-road like a 4x4, he'll say
>Well obviously there's no vehicle that does all 4 of those things that would be impossible
He's just so dumb it puts me in such a good mood every time I see that post

>>28438215
>and the crossovers feel very unpleasant to drive by comparison
I've driven 3 CUVs in my life - a CX-5, an X5 and a Venza. All of them handled at least comparably to the typical commodity sedan, like a Corolla/Camry or a Civic.

>>28438215
>then its only real benefit is that geriatrics can get in more easily
how many times do we have to explain to you that this is literally the reason people buy them? no one cares or can even benefit from a theoretically potential extra 0.3L of space. they care about the thing they have to get into and out of multiple times every day and spend prolonged periods of time sitting in to be as comfortable as possible

>>28438319
They are old people's cars, that's all they are. I just wish car companies would be honest about that instead of trying to push them onto everyone else and trying to shoehorn them into being "cool" by creating monstrosities like the modern Capri.

>>28438083
KEK, "based," but that sounds nothing like me as I'm not injun at all (dots nor feathers), to use the parlance of our times

>>28438325
>old people
Or anyone who's not a manlet.

>>28438308
Am x5 shouldn't handle like some pikachu economy car on MONSTER TRUCK stilts

>>28437750 (OP)
>better on crappy roads
90% of sedans just have crappy suspension. It didn't need to be this way but the Japanese can't build suspensions for shit. The aussie-made falcons and commodores were always way better on shit roads than the import cars

>>28438337
I'm saying it didn't handle worse or was in any way "unpleasant to drive".

>>28438332
How fat are you godsDAMN son LOL

>>28438339
You also didn't say they drive better, which they should

>>28438325
it's called the curb cut effect kid look it up

>>28438379
Never heard of this one but i like it

gay thread by gay homos with gay vehc's

>>28438450
You spend more time thinking about men having sex with each other than the average cuv owner.

>>28438451
oh heres one of the gay faggot homosexual toyotards right now

>>28437750 (OP)
>more cargo space than a crossover
>better seating position than a crossover
>better on crappy roads than a crossover
>better handling than a crossover
>worse mpg than a crossover, but you're not a faggot that would prefer a trannyverse 4 banger over a longitudinally mounted V8, right?

>>28438222
Looney tunes ahh death

>>28438478
>more cargo space than a crossover
Barely. It's 5" longer than a Traverse and half of it is hood.
>better seating position than a crossover
Literally exactly the same as a Traverse.
>better on crappy roads than a crossover
What metric is used to measure this?
>better handling than a crossover
Does the extra half ton of weight with a higher center of gravity make it handle better?
>worse mpg than a crossover, but you're not a faggot that would prefer a trannyverse 4 banger over a longitudinally mounted V8, right?
Literally the only thing it's good for but hardly worth $20k for just a 5.3L that only makes 30hp more than a turbo 4 banger

>>28438087
there's a special compartment for it in every one

>>28438222
That car driver didn't do much wrong. At normal bike speed, he would have made the corner without impact. Also this road is retarded death trap. Why the hell do you need to cross a whole lane just to make an exit?

>>28439239
Nevermind that's the emergency stop lane. So biker was not only speeding but also in a lane he's not permitted in.

>>28437841
>'entooziasts" who want to larp as racer
The funny thing is these enthusiasts are pretending like their soulless 1.6 turbo 4 cylinder FWD accord is somehow much more "fun to drive" and "handles better" than a crossover.
Face it, as soulless as crossovers are, the vast majority of sedans are soulless.
If I were to pick a sedan over a crossover, it better be a sport sedan that's RWD (which is exactly what i did). Otherwise I'll take the practicality.
And face it, an X3m/X5m soccermom crossover is FAR more fun to drive than 99% of shitbox sedans/hatchbacks/wagons/other reddit cars

>>28438247
The "worst of all worlds" is such a retarded reddit argument.
Objectively speaking, a lifted car is easier to put car seats in and out of.
Objectively speaking, a hatch is superior to a trunk opening for cargo space.
What family people want these days is a lifted hatchback, i.e. a crossover.
They don't have the money to buy a coupe for the weekends, a sport sedan daily, and an SUV/minivan for road trips.

>>28438215
>vague, floaty handling
Not an issue with EVs. The battery pack pulls the center of gravity down. Pic related is very sharp handling for how heavy it is.

>>28437750 (OP)
>Now have need for a crossover
>No idea what's good, worth the extra money, etc.

>>28437750 (OP)
My equinox is okay I guess, at least it's fast, lately I've been wishing it would show me what gear it's currently in because I have it in L9 all the time (to keep auto start stop from doing its stupid shit) and if I want to downshift by one gear I just have to guess, are we in sixth? eighth?
>>28438478
Hey man that 2L turbo knocks the socks off of the two V8s in my other rigs, though I guess a 302 and a 305 aint exactly the best of the best.

>>28437750 (OP)
Does it count if you drive a crossover styled car?
If so, I love it.

>>28440520
>And face it, an X3m/X5m soccermom crossover is FAR more fun to drive than 99% of shitbox sedans/hatchbacks/wagons/other reddit cars
I got a b58 X5 as my daily and its by far the nicest car I've ever owned both in terms of comfort and driving enjoyment.

>>28437750 (OP)
This is the only true crossover; all others are shitty lifted hatchbacks

>>28441984
you know what you must do

This has been a great vehicle for my wife and I. This is the excuse to why I can have funny motorcycles and project cars: the daily is cheap as fuck. $315/mo and 1/4th the running cost of the vehicle it replaced (Lexus IS350) at half the cost of ownership. Plus, it's leased. No downside risk of ownership.
Steering is vague as fuck and the sound system sounds like shouting into a tin can though.

>>28442030
>315/mo
>leased
unless you had to roll a whole bunch of negative, you got ripped. There have been a bunch of dealers east of the Mississippi leasing them for under 200/mo and probably under 225 with use tax

>>28438319
But even this only works if you are the goldilocks height. Too tall or short, and you're better off buying something else.

Don't forget muh better visibility. These are the same cunts who complains utes are getting to big and tall. Inbred fucks.

>>28442052
>goldilocks height
You mean everyone who's not a literal midget or a 7 foot basketball american?

>>28441984
>My equinox is okay I guess, at least it's fast,
I always imagine in my mind the modern equinoxes with like the 1.5 turbo.... which equinox are you talking about?

>>28438319
>>28438325
its not just about getting in and out, its about saving your back as you change a diaper or load in a car seat or take out a stroller. They are family cars.
The only thing better about a lower car is about handling... but no one cares about handling in a family car
... And that can be compensated for with good suspension.

>>28437841
This board is so retarded nowadays I can't even tell if this is b8 or not.

>>28442135
sometimes the best baits are the ones with the most truth behind them

>>28442149
>the most truth behind them

>>28442158
I'm sorry. it seems you have terminal contrarian brain

>>28442168
>sedan buyers are larping as race car drivers!!!

>>28442158
Making a rebuttal against a point?
Drake making a disgusted face and shielding his face with his hand.
Posting a funny reaction face and making some green words?
Drake smiling and pointing to something off screen.

>>28442212
Bad bot

>>28442066
It's a 2019 with the 2L turbo and the 9 speed trans, I think it was the last year for the 2L turbo?
>>28442027
the panther and its 302 should be fine but you got a point when it comes to the 305, because the huge van it's in is a bit how you say, "heavy"

>>28442201
>I'm a car enthusiast, I care about handling and performance
>that's why I bought a sedan

>>28442232
I meant to put that in the equinox

>>28442247
Yeah my full size family sedan is faster and more luxurious than your dad's MONSTER TRUCK masquerading as a "sports car"

>looks alright, rear end has a 928 vibe
>reasonably sized
>handling on par with most sports sedans
exceptions prove the rule

>>28441873
Calling that thing a crossover SUV is disingenuous as fuck in the first place, it's just a hatchback with weight issues.

By comparison, I own an Ioniq 5 and while I do really like it and it does handle pretty well because of the low center of gravity, I can still tell it would feel better to drive if it wasn't trying to be an SUV. If I'd been able to get one at a comparable price to what I paid and if they weren't so much uglier, I'd have rather had an Ioniq 6 for exactly that reason.

>>28442438
oh lawd

>>28442445
Sports cars only have two doors dummy
The rest are for hauling around groceries or grandchildren or whatever other things normies do

>>28443022
My fleet spec '04 Silverado 1500WT has 2 doors, is it a sports car?

>>28443034
yes

>>28442452
>Ioniq 5 ground clearance 161mm
>Ioniq 6 ground clearance 142mm
There's less than an inch of difference between those 2 bro.

>>28443139
Ground clearance isn't the only thing that affects the way a car drives, anon. The Ioniq 6 is also shorter, longer, and a couple hundred pounds lighter, as well as being more aerodynamic, and they have differently tuned suspensions. I'm sure the difference isn't huge, but it's not nothing.

Im so happy with my decision

>cheap insurance
>cheap tax
>high MPG
>comfy and smooth as fuck in traffic despite a total HP of mere 143hp
>aren't obscenely overpriced used
The life hack of cars

Only big downside is parking. Most parking spaces are intended for smaller cars.

>>28437750 (OP)
Just get a sports car and a truck/subrban/landcruiser. Compromise is gay (derogatory)

>>28443282
Add a couple of motorcycles and you’ve got everything you need

>>28443282
BoF seems a bit much for the school run, don't you think?

>>28443282
and a family station wagon and a compact sedan and a second suburban and a car for the kid and and and

>>28443290
Why would you need a wagon? You have all the room you need in the truck. Why would you need the compact sedan? You have a sports car if you want to actually drive.

Second suburban is welcome though

>>28443282
why the fuck would I need a sports car

extravagance is gay

>>28443282
>just pay for 2 cars instead of one
>and double tax
>and double insurance
Advice as retarded as befits this board

>>28443407
if you can't afford 2, you can't afford 1 fuckface

retarded poorfags have 1 car

>>28443413
>if you can't afford 2, you can't afford 1 fuckface
We are reaching levels of stupid that shouldn't really be possible, but keep going bro

>>28443407
>owning 1 car
shiggy

>>28443416
I'm sorry things aren't working out for you financially anon

>>28438589
The Tahoe/Short Escalade are pretty pointless imo. They're still huge as fuck so you might as well go for the longer Yukon Xl/Suburban/Escalade longboi and get the space and practicality that no crossover can match.

>>28442040
State incentives significantly affect the end monthly. TN has no such state incentives. This was already marked 13.5k off sticker, pre-incentive.

>>28443436
Why do low IQs in car communities make this argument all the time?
>XYZ is not the extreme end of its spectrum, so you "might as well" go for something that's tens of thousands of dollars more
I swear you faggots believe that every compromise must mean the "worst of all worlds" instead of just being a compromise. Like you can either drive an F450 or a miata because if you get something in between you "might as well" really just get one or the other.

>>28444010
It's just your typical highschool retards who've never owned a vehicle larping

If we euthanized every person who's ever stated "seating position" as a reason to buy a vehicle, the average human IQ would skyrocket

>>28444010
but WHY get ANYTHING less then a f450...just stupid boomer logic

>>28438055
>10k+ over comparable rav4 trims
people forget these things are expensive as fuck

>>28444506
I can afford the extra utility snd comfort anon

>>28444506
>bro whats the point of a rav4 even if it suits your life perfectly
>if youre not getting a subcompact like a corolla, you "might as well" get a sienna or sequoia
>the rav4 is the worst of both worlds

>>28443413
you're not using that expression right. the phrase is used when evaluating ownership of expensive performance/luxury cars, because the maintenance is unbelievably expensive.
"if you can't afford 2, you can't afford 1" means "if you can't afford bentleys, then you can't afford one, because the ownership of one costs as much as buying two"
it does NOT mean
"if you don't have 2 dollars, you don't have 1 dollar"

>>28444565
Poorfags tend to trivialize the difference between owning $100k of vehicles and $50k of vehicles
>Oh you can afford a $50k car, but you can't afford a $100k car?
>That means you actually can't afford a $50k car, which means you're just as poor as me

>>28444565
>>28444568
interpret it however the fuck you want faggots, it doesn't fucking matter....if you can't figure a means to afford owning 2 cars you probably shouldn't own one 1, get the fuck back on public transport

>>28444594
2 shitboxes is going to be a worse experience than 1 generalist vehicle worth twice as much

>>28444641
your example doesn't apply

If you can OWN a vehicle worth more then 2 shitboxes...then you can AFFORD 2 vehicles...

>>28444641
>>28444666
>Finance slightly used car
>Buy used shitbox
thats how you do it fags

>>28444594
it's not up for interpretation. you're just wrong.

Toyota highlander

>>28444594
What if someone doesnt WANT to buy two cars?