Thread 28442213

What's stopping you, /o/?

i have rear drums and front disc.

>>28442215
Rear drums are so based for regular driving, lasts multiple sets of front brake jobs before it wears out, despite not being a performance setup.

>>28442222
>wheel gap poster gets the digits
Its not fair

>>28442213 (OP)

Fuck brakes bwama

One disk is cracked. How long before death? I will order new disks when wagie drops.

>>28442374
Heat checking in a rotor is pretty normal, I wouldn't even worry about it for regular use, the ruskies at Garage 54 superheated the shit out of a regular rotor and then drenched it with water over and over, and despite being warped to hell and multiple cracks in the rotor, it never came apart.

>>28442234
I fucking hate drum brakes man. Cant tell you how many i've replaced in my life but they always suck. The most rube goldberg shit ever created.

>>28442213 (OP)
>What's stopping you
trying to find ways to convert my shitty 4x114,3 to common 5 bolt pattern

>>28442390
Im so excited to replace the drums and all relevant hardware on my 37 year old van its all so rusty I cant wait to snap all the bolts off for the cylinders and destroy the brake lines and somehow fuck up the proportioning valve again too

>>28442402
Could be worse, you could be suffering with 4x140

>>28442443
4x156

>>28442213 (OP)
Some 259mm diameter 12mm thickness solid blanks and pads that were on the car when I bought it. Considering a cheap junkyard upgrade to a 20mm vented setup when these discs are done if my wheels clear the calipers, but if I have to swap wheels anyway I may as well go 15" and fit the full vented 280mm RS disc + Peugeot caliper setup.

>>28442213 (OP)
My car already came with Brembo-quality sport brakes from the factory so there's no need to upgrade until the current ones wear out

4 piston OEM brembos on all 4

>>28442213 (OP)
Duralast Gold Ceramic with Duralast uncoated rotors, I've beaten the shit out of them and had them resurfaced once with new pads after almost 3 years and the rotors still aren't warped for being the same ones since 2021, I want to try out Powerstop Z26 pads, but at the same time the Duralast shit has been so based and quiet that I really can't complain about them, maybe just get the same pads and rotors next set.

>>28442549
I like the DGs on the customer cars I install them on, but I can vouch for the Z26s I have on my own miata. Not a peep out of them in the couple years I've run them and they have a good pedal feel and initial bite even when cold.

>>28442553
>Not a peep out of them in the couple years I've run them and they have a good pedal feel and initial bite even when cold
That's really good to hear because my car is a daily made to work well without getting a bunch of heat in the tires, oil, etc, is there any rotor noise? they sell a rice kit with drilled n slotted rotors along with the Z26 pads? but if drilled n slottted rotors make a noise, I'll just get some AC delco blanks and slap Z26 pads on it.

>>28442555
I didn't get their drilled/slotted rotor kit, I have the Raybestos high carbon blanks up front and Centric premium coated blanks in the back

>>28442577
>blanks
Alright blanks it is for me, my duralast pads are probably nothing special but the braking is so damn smooth and quiet on rotors with a flat face, and I've noticed in videos where people have drilled and slotted, there is often a very low pitched fluttering noise of the slots and holes going against the pads when they're stopping, which probably comes through the pedal and it is considered a normal thing on riced out rotors.

Thanks, Anon.

>>28442213 (OP)
I have a 6 piston brembo setup stock. There really isn't anything to upgrade to.

>>28442213 (OP)
Regen braking.

>>28442213 (OP)
A tree.

>>28442213 (OP)
I hate the antichrist.

>>28442213 (OP)
Stock FC RX7 disks in the front, '75 Mustang drums in the back

>>28442213 (OP)
I'm saving up for these AP calipers
My wilwood's kinda suck on track.
Too small.

>>28442213 (OP)
OEM pads, rotors, original calipers.

>>28442213 (OP)
Bosch calipers with memebono padsup front and whateverthefuck drums in the rear, maybe centric pads I forget

>>28442213 (OP)
Single circuit line running to a pair of fixed 4 piston AP calipers up front, and drums in the rear. I do not know why BMC deemed this necessary.

>>28442766
Oh, and fun fact, Rolls Royce Silver Shadow and Spirit (and other models based on their chassis) had 2 pairs of calipers for the front. Again, no idea why they deemed the necessary. Maybe the only adequate sized 4 piston brakes at the time were too large to fit under the wheels RR wanted to fit?

>>28442213 (OP)
drums on all four wheels. waiting on my steering box to arrive before i put it all back together though, replacing the front drums with a disc setup.

>>28442698
Those pads are trashed, look at how glazed they are.

I buy all my boots, shoes, pads and rotors from no name kits on eBay. The one time I was forced to replace a caliper I got a duralast brand from Vatozone.
Never had an issue. Never overpay for brakes. You're not tracking you shitbox, so don't pay for brakes like you are.

>>28442806
>You're not tracking your shitbox
If only you knew
But yeah if you've never experienced brake fade then getting good tires is 1000 % more effective

centric rotors and hawk pads on oem calipers with rockauto lines

>>28442806
what if I am tracking my shitbox though

>>28442814
Slotted rotors, metallic pads, steel brake lines, and name brand brake fluid will serve you just fine. Increasing caliper + wheel sizes makes no sense compared to getting a better car unless you need to conform to some specific race requirements

Zimmerman and Ferodo. You?

>>28442387
Rotors don't "warp"

>>28442549
Rotors don't "warp"

Rotors 'warp'

Uneven deposition of brake pad material into the voids between the metallic bonds on the surface of the rotor, just doesn't have the same ring to it.

>>28443186
Excessive lateral run out is not "warp"
How does a brake lathe fix the so-called "warp"?

>>28443194
lateral runout is warpage.

>>28442213 (OP)
Rock Auto's finest $15 rotors and $10 semi metallic pads. I only get ~5k miles out of the brakes on my fun cars so there's no sense in running anything fancy.

>>28443317
Based, rotors should absolutely be cheap shit, it's the pads that matter and you're gonna destroy the rotor anyway beating it up on the track.

>>28442213 (OP)
>What's stopping you,
Your mom.
She said I had to buy a ticket.
Shitty ride.
And.like.most I puked at the end.

>>28443495
Sorry bro, I gotta tell that bitch to do better.

>>28442213 (OP)
Since GM couldn't properly make two castings for the brakes on the C6 corvettes, Powerstop rotors and HAWK HPS pads on my C6Z for now. To be fed by forced ducting from the ZR1 lip.

The OEM disc's warped on my RF corner after a single 158-60 decelleration without the airdam that drags on everything but the powerstop rotors did not warp after a 171-60 mph decel, tons of other 120-30 range heavy decels and the three 150-70 decels I had WITHOUT the forced ducting after swapping

Next Year? ZR1 calipers with a new choice in pad and rotor combo to fit, along with the ducting we are building.


PIC related, those are EBC rotors (inside) that are a direct GM casting vs Powerstop which use a mirrored casting on the right side so the right side actually properly draws air in from the center (cooling the wheel bearings and drawing from the air ducts) and then dumps it into the rim and tires. Unlike the oem castings which d the opposite.

Wagner OEx pads and I think carquest rotors (that’s what the old pads were at least)

>>28442589
Dude parts store pads are the biggest rip off ever. You can get the premium ones from rock auto for almost half the price.

Powerstop is a good brand? It sounded like chink shit when I first saw it on rock auto.

>>28444232
It is chinkshit, but it's actually really good chinkshit

>>28442549
>he has brakes that won't slow him down

We got ca caddy's on da frs

>>28443509
>PIC related, those are EBC rotors (inside) that are a direct GM casting vs Powerstop which use a mirrored casting on the right side so the right side actually properly draws air in from the center (cooling the wheel bearings and drawing from the air ducts) and then dumps it into the rim and tires.
I didn't get it until this part, now I see it, what the hell was GM thinking??

>>28442213 (OP)
Discs on all 4, recently replaced brake lines, ABS that still works as original, Michelin Defender tires, but I'm not at all satisfied, and a bit paranoid on the subject: The braking in my early 80s Mazda GLC was phenomenal, shit slushy conditions or not, compared to everything I've been in or driven since. Still have no idea why that is. It's difficult to get used to anything less, in that sense, however it works.

>>28442234
Rear drums suck ass. I constantly have to adjust mine because the adjuster never works even with brand new hardware. Well lubed and everything

>>28444218
I get super cheap ones of brake performance that last a long time, they're quiet, and they do the job

>>28445248
>GM thinking
another person that has only witnessed the tip of the iceberg that is GM management's absolute retardation. read the wikipedia article on the oldsmobile diesel engine, it's great.

Doing my front pads and rotors tomorrow, never worked on brakes before. Anything in particular I need to watch out for? Done plenty of other repairs and have a Haynes manual to refer to, not a total noob but also want my car to be able to stop.

>>28445331
Hyperbole detected. If the retardation of that diesel were typical of GM, nothing like the 3800 II or transmission paired to it in Lesabre, Park Avenue, or Impala would exist. Dear God, imagine driving or owning the kind of absolute trawzh British Leyland or Fiat excreted.

>>28445356
Depends on the model, but I find that rotors are a disposable commodity that come cheap and are best replaced any time work on brakes is necessary. Short of aircraft ones, they're pretty much all of the same composition.

>>28445374
it's not hyperbole at all. funny you mention the 3800 - like clockwork, GM is either retarded, or just as they make something good, they cancel it. See also: the 3800 right as it got good

>>28445444
>or just as they make something good, they cancel it
and that in of itself is exactly the kind of retardation that I'm talking about that only gm management could achieve

>>28445356
Use silicone lube on your guide pins and pad contact points. Do not use any other lube as they will swell rubber and cause your calipers to seize up

Got some Powerstop pads and rotors for my Kia Stinger, pads had been done before I bought it but rotors were terribly warped.

1. Realized I put them on backwards after I took this picture, slots have a specific orientation.

2. Rear rotors are a pain on modern cars with electronic parking brakes because those are actuated by drum brakes under the rear rotors. There is something on the back of the new rotors rubbing against against the drum brakes, it made a terrible sound when I first put them on but I took it to a tire shop and they said it would go away with time, just drive the car and it will wear itself down with time.

>>28442390
mine became a million times easier when I paid $15 for drum brake pliers at oreilly's. fuck all that bullshit about using locking pliers and a flathead etc etc. get the right tool for the job and it's a piece of cake.

>>28445502
got me a cheap drum brake tool kit for about 25 bucks. haven't used it yet, but i bet it'll make drum brakes a breeze

>>28445470
It's because cheap rotor kits have the directional drills and vanes all going the same direction. Keeps manufacturing cost down.

>>28445356
Take apart and clean everything except for the caliper. You want no contaminants or rust on the hub face, any of the mounting brackets/pins/springs etc.

I fucked up way too many brake jobs just slapping new pads and rotors in thinking it'll be fine.

>>28444232
It is a good brand if you install them correctly, people have gotten more miles out of them than Wagner parts from the store even on the drilled and slotted rotors, the only video saying they're bad is a guy who likely fucked something up when installing them and burned/glazed them to the point where they were falling apart and saying the pedal feel was fucked up, pads were probably gasssing out, or maybe destroyed them trying to burnish the pads and rotors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hlK81gxe7U

I already did my brakes last week OP
>t. First time car owner

>>28446328
>"when I first pressed them they did not bite"
Kek dude was likely dragging mad brakes because the piston wasn't pushed back when he replaced the worn out pads and then destroyed the new pads because brake jobs are an easy job that's also easy to fuck up.

>>28442698
>Regen braking.
Enjoy your seized floating calipers.

The rotors won't come off

>>28446390
hit it with mallet, anon

>>28446375
Why would they seize?

>>28446549
Because they see less use. Common problem with some Toyota hybrids not present in the non-hybrid versions of the same models.

Nothing more satisfying than running a caliper seal kit and new brake hoses through an old shitbox

>>28446671
i'd wager that fresh brake hard lines matching the original routing would be more satisfying.

>>28446671
New brake hoses are 100% worth it, although I don’t have the courage to try a caliper rebuild :(

>>28446413
Wow I never thought of that, thank you so much.
I'm not asking for help on a Slovenian marshmallow roasting forum just to be told the first thing fucking anyone would try. It was rust welded to the whee hub, I eventually got it off using another bolt to push it of from behind with an impact.

>>28446851
Nothing wrong with asking for help anon, gotta start somewhere.

>>28446714
Honestly it's easy for most cars. The only sucky ones are rear calipers with the a handbrake mechanism that needs to be sealed too.

>>28448321
I rebuilt my Miata calipers with one of those just fine, it basically just adds a snap ring, a small o ring, and a dust boot for the lever

>>28442213 (OP)
>40,000km of mostly traffic driving and hard mountain runs
>brakes still have absolutely plenty of material left
cars that weigh less than a tonne are so fucking based

EBC RP-X. Silent, non-corrosive brake dust, handle the heat, and significantly cheaper than the competition. Don't sleep on them

>>28442415
I recommend the OTC Drum puller. Good luck.

>>28449035
hmmm it says it's suited for temp ranges from 0 - 750 C. does that mean it's ok for street and circuit use? i got bluestuffs because as far as im aware rp-x 1s dont come in the d52 pad pattern

>>28442390
>>28445316
skill issue

>>28442213 (OP)
>adding unsprung weight... because i just have to ok!

>>28451546
It has holes drilled in it like a racecar so it's all good pham

>>28448321
When getting the new seal into the caliper piston on my car it wasn't really fitting right so I just cranked on it with the C-clamp and it popped into place pretty loudly, I was sure I broke it but the brakes have been working fine so far

>>28451546
this is exactly why I did not spring for the larger "sport" brakes on my miata when I did pads and rotors all around with a rear caliper rebuild

>>28449053
Yes. They bite from cold so they can stay on the car at all times. It's one of the reasons I originally considered them.

>>28453463
hmmmmmm VERY interdasting. will have to see if they make them in gm's d52 pattern

I buy the cheapest pads available and I got rotors that are the same size as I had before idk what brand or where it's from but I still stop. Lots of dust though :(

Braking is limited by tires, if you can lock up the brakes with ABS off then your brakes are strong enough and adding more braking force won't help anything.
You can get better cooling and less brake fade from bigger brakes after an hour of track time but it won't do a thing for you on the street. Driving a lighter car will help you brake better and reduce break fade
Brake mods are the Rolexes of the car world, a massive larp

>>28442213 (OP)
Racecar chad here Spoon monoblock calipers with 85 dollar Powerstop Track day spec. It's actually really impressive because the pads last a long time and have great braking power for grid racing considering well they're cheap.

>>28454780
i remember finding a set of really grippy tyres priced as cheap as a regular commuter tyre for my camry, dunlop fm800s, and one night slamming the brakes on the highway and they never locked up. it was pretty fucking cool being able to stomp the pedal all the way to the end of its travel and not have any wheel lockup whatsoever.

>>28454807
So in other words your new tires outperformed your old brakes.

>>28454923
yeah. it had no ABS. Then I found out that the ABS models had twin piston calipers, so I upgraded that and the tyres locked up.

>>28442213 (OP)
late model ram manual master cylinder
front
>11.75" 78 cordoba rotors
>73+ MOPAR A body calipers
>steel braided lines
rear
>98 ford explorer discs/calipers
>funcitonal parking brake

>>28445502
>tfw 4 different pairs of drum brake pliers for different styles of drum brakes
>use needle nose pliers and a flat head anyway
it just werks.

4 wheel drums actuated by a suicide single.