Why are Americans so obsessed with body on frame vehicles? You fucking retards don't know a god damn thing about engineering. It is not 1980 anymore. Modern unibody vehicles use high strength steel, boron reinforcements with tens of thousands of hours of finite element analysis done on them in every measurable way.

Whatever your retard american engineering of "big steel beam" can achieve, a smaller frame of steel can also achieve the same thing when engineered properly to do so. Something american engineers are too retarded to do, and american consumers are too retarded to understand.

A cybertruck has an aluminum uninody chassis and has an 11,000 pound tow rating. Memes of dropping an excavator on the hitch aside, that's what it's engineered to do.
Facts:
>body on frame vehicles handle like sloppy shit.
>they have higher nvh
>they typically weigh more
>the suspension geometry is usually fucking retarded because they have to work around the frame structure instead of incorporating it from day 1.
>They're less safe in crashes.

Body on frame has 3 benefits, easier to repair and better for towing/offroading. That's literally it. And I promise you the majority of people bitching about "muh body on frame sedans" is never offroading or towing anything heavy enough to matter.

In every single other way uninody is better.
>uh but muh 90s shitbox crown vic my dad had to haul my 300lbs ass around when I was 10 was super comfy!
That's the soft suspension you fucking retard. That's the deep seats you fucking inbred hick. The reason most unibody cars aren't comfortable was because of a market shift towards "better" handling vehicles at the cost of comfort. Nobody wants body roll in their vehicles anymore. Nobody wants their car to take 3 buisness days to shift its weight when changing lanes. You guys are so fucking stupid it actually pains me physically.

i like unibody but your retarded

have you ever driven a modern pickup trucks?

>>28448246
unfortunately, yes

>>28448241
>no argument given
>doesn't know the difference between you're and your
>calls me retarded

>>28448246
Have you driven a modern suv? They are infinitely more nice to drive than any full size pickup I've ever driven.

Because when Big Salt finally puts enough holes through your floor you can just just travel to Florida and find a newish, nearly rust free body for cheap instead of having to pay for a whole new car even when the engine and tranny could still be good. Body on frame is the best choice for the recycling man.

>>28448262
Right because the frame of your shitty ass truck hasn't completely deteriorated by then as well? Are you fucking stupid?

>>28448268
Obviously things get to a point, dumbass. But some things can still be salvageable and repaired. People actually used to FIX things, you know? It even further my point. While you're in Florida, maybe just pick up the frame too if you have to.

>>28448256
unfortunately, yes

>>28448252
>takes the bait

>>28448237 (OP)
I agreed with everything you were saying until you started dicksucking the dumpster on wheels.

>>28448284
They pont is why would you put a rust-free cab on a rusty ass frame. What a fucking waste. Vehicles in the rust belt are consumables. Just accept it.

>>28448237 (OP)
>easier to repair
Thats kind of a huge benefit that you casually glossed over. Being able to easily chop out sills and quarters because they're non-load-bearing is great. It sucks having to total out a vehicle cause it got a minor hit in the ass and irreparably tweaked the whole car. Cars are too disposable as they are right now.
Also you type like an enormous faggot.

>>28448252

name a single body on frame car still made today that isn't a pickup truck or a pickup-based suv

>>28448237 (OP)
>muh yuneebody
>muh rigidity
>muh bettuh shushpenshon
That would be total loss, thank you very much.

>>28448237 (OP)
>Why are Americans
Stopped reading right there, pussyboy. The United States of America is the greatest nation on God's green earth. We lead the world in every meaningful metric in terms of development and military power. I don't even have to ask which country you're from because it doesn't matter at all. Any country that isn't the USA matters less than a tick bite on the back of my nutsack.

I don't want to read another word of your bullshit. The next thing you post better be "God bless the United States of America," bucko!

>>28448237 (OP)
Only manufacturers care about body on frame because it's cheaper to manufacture. Cybertruck only has one configuration. If you look at Ford they make the F150 and F250 with the same cab but different front ends and almost every combination of single cab, extended cab, crew cab, 8' bed, 6.75' bed, 6.5' bed, and 5.5' bed. You couldn't make them unibodied. But I believe that the next generation F150 will be spun off into its own bespoke vehicle that is a unibody construction and only available with crew cab extra short bed. People will hate it at first like they hated the switch to aluminum bodies but they'll get over it

>>28448319
Just accept that not everything is beyond repair. And it doesn't even have to be salt. There's plenty of reasons to replace a body.

>>28448237 (OP)
>blah, blah
And yet they still ride harsher than BOF

>>28448237 (OP)
>Why are Americans
Why are you so obsessed with americans, retard?

>>28448555
That's called RIGIDITY

>>28448645
In a DD that's called annoying

>>28448677
Without that you won't be able to change lanes fast enough. Be thankful.

>>28448677
No. You want the body to be as stiff as possible in all scenarios (except extreme off roading where flex can be helpful). The less the body moves, the better the suspension can do its job, whether you prioritize comfort or cornering. Broadly speaking, if the body flexes up and down, then your effective spring rate while it's flexing is different from what the spring's actual rate is, and transfers more movement and NVH into the cabin. If it flexes side to side, then that can alter suspension geometry and make the handling imprecise and unpredictable (and also render the squish in the rubber bushings less effective, similar to the springs). Not to mention the squeaks and rattles the body flexing can cause. Otherwise luxury car chassis designs would all be wet noodles, but they're not.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11382237/

>>28448555
Damn bro you should let rolls royce know that you know something they don't. Clearly they haven't been making the most luxurious cars ever built. No it's a clapped out piece of shit american car from the 80s.

>>28448840
>rolls royce
Not him, but don't they use space frame instead of a unibody?

>>28448872
They can call it whatever they want thats not a body on frame car.

>>28448880
Not a unibody either

>>28448237 (OP)
Why the obsession?

1) We like to place pre-smog bodies on late model cars, trucks, tractors etc. This way we title the Vin on the cab or body and drive a vehicle FAR better in design than decades ago. Google "Truck cab on Panther platform".

We now can:
Modify that bitch to the moon
Get cheap ass insurance
Skip smog
And bypass bullshit inspections like Eurocuks do with the MOT

2) ...and by the way TL;DR. Whatever worthless ragebait you wasted in time writing has been shot down in flames.

For a response, see (1 again. Kthxbi

why are euromutts obsessed with amerimutts

>>28449057
Penis envy

>>28448237 (OP)
Makes it more modular and easier to fix for shadetrees like me.
I dig body on frame.

>>28448880
It’s a spaceframe. The body is separate to this. It isn’t a big ladder chassis job but it is far closer to BOF than it is unibody

The fact they and Bentley still recommended and arranged coachbuilders (Mulliner, Park Ward) for years shows that they weren’t making unibody cars

>>28449045

>>28448880
Oh ho ho, I didn't say body on frame, I said seamed frames! Patented Rolls Royce body, old Sussex recipe!

>>28448262
Bodies outlive frames

They all become unibody in the end

Several new electric cars are technically body on frame.
Their coachwork is attached to the skateboard containing the battery, motor(s) and gearing.

>>28448237 (OP)
>>they have higher nvh
l o l
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OP is a faggot

>>28448237 (OP)
No American cars went to unibody in the 60's, some went back to body on frame in the 70's but there were still plenty of unibody cars.
The British kept making body on frame cars into the 2000's.

>>28449277
Rust in tbe bodyshell doesn't really weaken the car either.

BODY ON FRAME BAYB-ACK

>>28448237 (OP)
I thought all modern cars except trucks were unibody? Wtf are you blabbering on about?

>>28454243
Honestly you know what? I think OP heard someone casually gush of their old vintage body on frame car and got really pissed off and made this thread in autistic response.

>>28454248
One of these days I want to get a pair of Panther platform cars. One will be built as a sport sedan, while the other will take advantage of the ladder frame design to build a truck-like lifted 4WD winter car.

>>28448459
>Imagine paying $150,000 for a GT4 only to drive into snap city.
>Imagine spending $150,000 on a car with strut suspension.

>>28454277
Well don't tell OP about it or he might have an aneurysm over it.

When Rolls Royce switched from BOF to unibody it was widely considered a massive downgrade.

>>28448446
He can't, he has no concept of what the fuck he's talking about.

>>28454248
was probably an aussie

>>28454813
love how auscunts pretend to be hard but really its them who are constantly bitching like women about dumb shit they don't even understand

>>28448467
>If you look at Ford they make the F150 and F250 with the same cab
Bud that hasn't been true since the 90's, but you are correct otherwise. If you mean that all Super Duty's (250 and up) share the same cab you'd be correct. Also your guess about the future of half-ton trucks is probably true, as long as they can work the unibody to meet their towing specs they'll be happy to crank out trucks that are totalled (and replaced) after someone crunches the bed in.

>>28448237 (OP)
> easier to repair and better for towing/offroading.
You answered it yourself dipshit

>>28454880
Pretty sure the modern aluminum body superduties use the same cab as the half tons now.
>>28454248
It's a time honored tradition for luddites and shit posters to post about the superiority of body on frame, leaf springs, solid rear axles and push rods. They haven't picked up on hydraulic steering boxes yet for whatever reason.

>>28448299

>>28448256
I do not give a single fuck about the oversized mobility scooters you offer

>>28448237 (OP)
If you were even close to an engineer, you’d know that production cost comes before everything.

>>28448555
So why isn't the entire car made of rubber?

>>28448237 (OP)
>body on frame vehicles handle like sloppy shit.
Not necessarily but admittedly usually true.
>they have higher nvh
Very wrong.
>they typically weigh more
Actually true without exception.
>the suspension geometry is usually fucking retarded because they have to work around the frame structure instead of incorporating it from day 1.
Actually stupid.
>They're less safe in crashes.
Rarely true but possible.

>>28456014
pretentious question

>>28454813
God what a time it must have been. Imagine genuine Aussie shitposters being your biggest problem instead of farms of far-left-wing AI bots posting whatever they have determined most likely to make the most users leave the site.

>>28456047
dude can't answer because he knows he's wrong lmao

>>28451139
kekekekekekke

>>28459098
i wasn't that anon but thank you for confirming that it really was a pretentious question lol

Miata are body on frame.

>>28453174
sheeit