What would be considered too much power to be usable on the street

>>28450733 (OP)
Anything more than 1.5L/85 horse if you’re a gay euro

On a bike? 500 hp
In a coupe? 2000 hp
In a large vehicle? 10000 hp
Of course, this is assuming you're just talking about intersections and no traction control. If you're on the highway then there's no limit as long as you're not lighting your tires on fire or literally tearing up the road

>>28450733 (OP)
It's not really about raw power, it's about how that power is delivered. What is the power band like, what's the idle like, clutch, is it going to kill itself, etc.
You could have a 1500hp car that is perfectly streetable, and a 700hp car that is nigh unusable

>>28450746
Can't Turn

What's the gearing look like?

>>28450733 (OP)
On cars that make more than 100ftlb of torque per 1000 lbs the traction control is always on. For older cars the traction control is only the brakes automatically engaging. On newer cars it's the throttle that is managed by the ECU to feel less responsive to not break traction.

>>28450733 (OP)
200hp if you have all 4 drum brakes.

>>28450733 (OP)
250hp

200hp if you're a 175 chad

>>28451098
>~375 (sae gross) with all four drum brakes
time to impale myself on the steering column

>>28450733 (OP)
above 400-500hp or so
nobody ever complained that the 360 modena (~400hp) was way too fucking much, but people do have that complaint about the current 911 turbo s.
ofc other things matter, like weight. a 600hp 3-row suv is fine, but you stick that into a lightweight 2 seater and you get something you can't rev past 1st gear without losing your license.

900

>>28451177
can't lose your license if the cops can't catch you

>>28450733 (OP)
If you are talking about racing for a 3500-4000 lb car on the street I'd say about 600 probably less

>>28451084
>On cars that make more than 100ftlb of torque per 1000 lbs the traction control is always on
Delusional

>>28450733 (OP)
I feel like 440-500 is about as much as you can use on the street without being menace to society.

>>28450733 (OP)
If you can't get it down to the ground, it's technically "too much power". So it depends on your tires and the road surface. Top fuel dragsters can put down over 10,000hp because of the tires and the prepared racing surface, but on ice even a /n/egroid can break the rear tire loose on their bicycle and fall

>>28451194
the cops have helicopters and cameras, dipshit.

>>28450733 (OP)
That depends on the weight of the car and which wheels are driven. A lightweight RWD car like a miata might be unmanagerable with 400 hp, but in a 4,500 lb AWD luxury sedan like an Audi S6 that's nothing, and may even feel slow.

>>28450733 (OP)
Over 300 to the FRONT WHEELS (the only place the power should ever be) you start to run into trouble.

>>28451775
Hmmm I dunno anon it sounds like maybe the front wheels isn't where the power should be if it has trouble with more than 300hp

400 is about my limit, call me a pussy idc but anything more is too much to use on the street.

>>28450733 (OP)
450

>>28450733 (OP)
that's kindo of a gay question

>>28450764
yes, ive seen lots of people throw a bigass cam into their camaro/mustang and then its a gigantic piece of shit that cant be driven and they didnt even make more power. one guy thought it would be a good idea to put an SB2 into his truck and then realized it doesnt like to run under 5k rpm. people on this board just finished making fun of the lingenfelter suburban that used a 10 liter big block to only make ~500hp completely disregarding that 2500 suburban drives like any other grocery getter

>>28450733 (OP)
300hp is too much to be usable as a daily driver. 250-285 is the sweet spot.

>>28450733 (OP)
There's no such thing with modern technology. Something like a twin turbo Viper making 2500hp at the wheels can be dumbed down to the point where your grandma can safely drive it. Traction control and tuning has come a long ass way. If you start off with a proper platform and engine you can make that power and still drive around with the wastegates pretty much open and still have a usable vehicle.

>>28452550
we talking at the wheels or crank? because my v6 camry has 300 at the crank. i hardly ever use all of its power though, typically just when i need to pass someone that loves speed matching me for whatever reason, or to merge with faster traffic.

>>28452550
>>28452587
i had a gs350 f-sport and it was too slow and had annoying nondefeatable traction control. I used to use full throttle all the time with traction control "completely" off

>fwd
About 300whp
>Rwd
Already mentioned, around 400whp give or take -/+50 depending on the car.
Anything beyond and your just fighting traction/eating tires

>>28450733 (OP)
the limit on the street is up to whatever tires you got. I can get my foxobody to hook in 2nd with 285s on a 200tw street tire and it makes ~500whp (ebay turbo on a modded 302). I will mini tub it when I go to put a bigger motor in it so I can get a serious tire size because any more juice will just spill.

>>28452675
>around 400whp
on a whatever summer tire I agree, with big sticky cheater slicks ~1000hp is pretty usable t. detroit anon

>>28450733 (OP)
as someone with 2 cars above 600hp. Its ~600hp for a 3500-4500 lb car. You cant get out of 3rd most of the time.

>>28455580
And first AND second are both almost useless with traction control off

>>28450733 (OP)
Bad tires? 250whp
Good tires? 600whp

>>28450733 (OP)
Probably around a 6-7:1 weight/power ratio

>>28451540
That is around the max of "usable" for the average person, with any further being for specialized work or bragging rights.

>>28455589
>sub 1 hp/kg
Lolmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c1FBnvmVlY
Drivers Who Actually Got Away From Police

Normies - 250 to 300hp max for these city streets. It's all about speed and rarely about braking? Of course more is better with skilled drivers and a good set up, see above vid.
Then, factory hp ratings are a joke, grew up driving old 89 5.0 Mustang. Only a 200hp car, but, at the time, would smoke just about everything around it. New Escalade comes out, or Acura TSX, bragging about 300hp, and they get smoked too. By a POS Mustang. So many cars out there with all these big numbers, all smoked by POS 5.0? Why is that? So is it HP or power to weight ratio and gearing? Add driver skill and balls of steel. I put you in new 911 against F-1 driver in Miata on road course, guess who wins? But muh horsey powers?!? The same clowns on here posting track times they could never attain. It's all a joke. City driving, street racing or running from cops, assuming you do have some hp 200-250. It comes down to dumb luck. Know what's more important driving like this than hp? The hole shot. Luck of the draw. Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. Some days you win, some days you lose. Some days everything just magically worked out, other days I got stopped constantly and couldn't catch a break. Slam brakes behind a semi, look over and watch the guy I was racing fly past and get the hole shot and now he's gone. The ability to judge and time a hole shot, plus balls to drive like this are more important than a Porsche badge.

>>28450733 (OP)
Depends on the chassis.

>>28450733 (OP)
When you can no longer hook up, it's time to invest in your suspension.

>>28450733 (OP)
Depends on how well your car puts down power.
I make 381rwhp but dead hook 1st gear.
Easy to handle.
381rwhp might be undrivable for other cars

I typically stop at 120mph. Since that's when going to jail become likely.

>>28455940
I typically start at 120. Since that's where we find out who has a limiter.
>looks for vintage No Fear window decal

>>28456007
lul my speedo maxes out at 120

>>28456007
My reveve limit is 225mph in 6th gear.
But it's too risky to go over 120mph on public roads.
I get up around 140mph at the track, that's good enough for me.

>>28450733 (OP)
Far more than any Toyota makes, you ricer dipshit.

>>28452490
A 500 HP 376 cid Chevy v8 runs like any other grocery getter, a 500 HP 632 is a joke.

>>28452579
>you can make that power and still drive around with the wastegates pretty much open
Pretty fucking sure it doesn't work this way, dipshit.
Are you even old enough to drive a car? Why don't you stay on /v/ and talk about your Vidya?

>>28455656
>at the time, would smoke just about everything around it.
This fucking thread can't be real. Good night, internet.

>>28456260
You know powerbands and torque are things, right? 500hp at 6000rpm with not a lot of torque is not ideal when you have to move a 6000lb SUV with a 4 speed tranny. That's going to feel like shit compared to the 500hp and 750 ft.lbs at 5k rpm or less that the 632 has.

>>28456265
Not that anon, but If you had the waste gates 100% open you'd make maybe 1 or 2 psi of boost.
That combined with traction control would make the car street friendly.

My brother has a 410rwhp Volvo that's perfectly tame off boost.
But on boost, it's pretty nuts.
410rwhp + 2,765lb curb weight.

Somewhere where you can mash the pedal to safely accelerate without spinning tires. That depends on the vehicle.

>>28455593
>>28451540

fake and gay. my dsm is awd and has walmart tires on it duing full pulls without breaking the tires loose. hp into the 700s.

>>28456331
awd is bring af and you lose 30% of it to the wheels

>>28456331
>walmart tires
You can buy pretty much any race tire from Walmart these days.

>>28450764
True. Cosworth managed to make 200hp unusable

The counterpoint is simple:
https://youtu.be/5oO226PgSkg

Set idle too high, meaning car do not have a good idle for following traffic
Needing to ride brakes to control speed
Undersize brakes for anything longer than a short test drive, do a medium test drive with a guest
Brake fluid boils
Crash ensues

You dont need alot of horsepower to drive. You only want it because its fun.

I have a 170 horsepower Toyota and the only time I accelerate fast is getting on the highway. I get up to over 70 MPH going about 3000 RPM's before I have to merge.

My Toyota also gets me over 40 mpg efficiency.

My car makes 484whp through awd. It feels slow again. I know I don't need more power but I can't help it. I need 6-700 now.

>>28451177
>a 600hp 3-row suv is fine
No it's not Karen, what a fucking waste of an engine that belongs in your next sentence's lightweight 2-seater. Soccer moms don't deserve more than 120hp Diesel.

>>28450733 (OP)
Anything past 400hp is hard to use without getting yourself in trouble

>>28460595
>I need 6-700 now.
If you have money to burn through tires and use up lots of gas and blow up the engine then go ahead. If you have tons of money you can do whatever stupid shit you want.

But if you dont have money to blow you really should use your brain and not do that.

I had a ScatPack as a daily for five years and I feel like it had the perfect amount of power for playing around and still being useful. It would move when you’d want it to but wasn’t so much that you were always spinning. I have a Hellcat now and it’s hard to exercise it on the street without breaking the tires loose or getting to lose your license speeds in a hurry. For a majority of rwd cars, I’d say a healthy 500 is a good stopping point before you start getting into unusable power.

>>28451495
328i was never fast kid.

>>28450733 (OP)
If I were to eyeball it, my BMW with a few mods is pushing 550-600hp and it feels perfectly fine. Still need to dyno it though

>>28450733 (OP)

250-350 is a good range for just getting around, being able to get up to highway speed and have a little fun.

Getting around the 400+ range and you start sacrificing some of the things that make a car a good daily driver.

500-600 is kind of the cut off for just a nice, streetable driver.

i think around 350 is enough for uk roads, quicker than most plebs and slow enough to work through a few gears on country lanes, enough for easy overtakes

ive got 500 now and its fun but you cant really open up anywhere

maybe different if you live with only straight wide roads, but then whats the point in driving anyway

>>28462783
That's an F10 M5 Competition with a BUILT engine on KW V3s in Silverstone II Metallic, son

>>28450746
This but unironically

>>28450733 (OP)
When it starts flying off the ground

>>28463431
>Silverstone II Metallic
oh is that what rustoleum calls it?

>>28464393
Yes, I think so

>>28450733 (OP)
I'm not sure, it would have to be so much that the pedal was no longer an effective means of throttle control before 45mph but I've never experienced that problem