>legacy automakers have become so incompetent that getting btfo'd by a random chink appliance makers first ever car is a normal thing these days.

>>28455472 (OP)
The car industry was decades overdue a tech paradigm shift. The old powers have been around too long. All due to their stranglehold on labor which urges government bailouts and incentives. Tesla embarrassing Bugatti was the spark.

>just 3 seconds faster than a 20 year old Nissan

Are chinks even trying?

>>28455518
Are you?

>>28455472 (OP)
Chinese are making the same mistake Japanese did. Government insures companies on the car and still they lose money on purchases. We are in the 90's era jap for chink cars, amazing industry beaters the sheild a economy showing signs of stagnation and inequality

>>28455515
>>28455542
There is nothing inherently wrong or unsustainable about governments supporting their domestic industries. After all, governments who issue their own non-convertible floating currency can always afford to buy anything for sale in the currency they issue. Of course this doesn't mean they make the right decision about which to support, how much to support it, or what kinds of concessions said industry will have to make for said support, but it's something they can do.

>>28455534
Nissan?
They stopped long ago

>>28455472 (OP)
>>28455599
>Still not faster then a 11 year old 650 PS RWD V10 motorized shoe
EV's aren't competing with new cars, they're competing with decade old+ ones

>no that doesn't count because look this purpose built sportscar is 1% faster than a full size family sedan

>>28455472 (OP)
Now do three laps in a row. Now five. Ten. 24 hours.

>>28455472 (OP)
>just enough battery to complete 1 lap

>>28456621
>Performance car
>Full size family sedan
Sounds like an identity crisis, if you want performance why would use a compromised platform to build it on? Who is this thing even for? You can't even use the excuse that it's for people who have no room for 2 cars because of the 6 digit price.

when evs break records they will go unsung by everyone exept annoying techbros that nobody listen to.
niggerfaggot.

>>28455606
Government intervention in the economy should almost always be for national security purposes, it never helps productivity-wise to promote certain industries or companies, because competition is then stifled.

>>28455518
Meanwhile Nissan is on life support.

>>28455472 (OP)
CHINA NUMBAH ONE, IM TIRED OF PRETENDING THEYRE NOT

>>28456843
It's for the same people who have bought literally every other performance oriented sedan in the last 35 years.

>legacy automakers
Go back to China, bitch.

>>28455606
No
But at the same time you can get into a situation where the subsidized is going full retarded instead of staying in shape. It doesn't help that by creating shitshows like STELLANTIS you get more and more distance between the upper and lower parts of the company, resulting in a lot of internal friction.
At some point, a global megacompany is more of the stock and board holders seeking rent than a competitive company.

Nor do it help that GM, Ford and Boeing is generally not competitive, and is relying on their entrenchment to have enough of a economy to stave of long term loss of sales.

>>28456621
The distinction to "fast sport car" only exist because Engine could take up most of the car
When 100kWh is the floor, and the engine is barely bigger than the axel on both front and rear, that go completely out of the window.

At that point the body is just a piece of artistic choices, and not functional necessity. Which is different from a supercar where engine taking up half of the car necessitates a lot

>>28455472 (OP)
Chad Miata is not BTFO'd by anyone.

>>28458052

>>28458052
Damn Miata is getting CHUNKY, going to have to rename her Maria the way she's ballooning after 30 years

>tyres, brakes, battery dead after one lap

>>28458061
The '25 is only about 75 lbs heavier than a '95.
>2360 vs 2290 lbs.
But hey, everyone will keep claiming all cars are heavy now due to "safety regs."

>>28458052
>>28458059
camaro-san yamete
miats are frens not food

>7.04
>on almost straight circuit
That's very disappointing

>>28458093
Truth. All sporty car enthusiasts are friends at my local Cars and Coffee.
Xiaomi EV braggers not so welcome.

>>28455776
yes it is. full track vs 20.6km sport auto layout.

not a road car
>chinks in charge of not fudging numbers

>>28456871
Very simplistic view, and it's not correct either.

>>28457180

All legacy car makers are restricted by all sorts of retarded US and EU regulations while the Chinese do literally anything that is needed to get ahead _completely_ ruthlessly.

That's why they're winning.

>>28458618
Who is the main authority for these regulations? TUV?

>>28455472 (OP)
looks like McLaren and Tesla had a baby

>>28458618
The Chinese aren't winning. Right now the Koreans and Japanese are winning. They've adopted to EV/hybrid the best and are hugely popular in the west. Nobody will buy a BYD Dolphin or what you call it when they can get Hyundai Ioniq or Kia EV3 for similar prices. So you're partly right. It's not so much the Chinese as it is the asians.

>>28455472 (OP)
these yellow n*ggers can't even build a working cellphone.

>>28456888
What performance sedans are sold for 6 figures?
And more importantly, why would you buy them?

>>28455776
Idiot as always

>>28455472 (OP)
> 5000 lb soundlet
Keep farting hard in your chink shit to compensate for the lack of a soulful soundtrack

>>28455599
no wonder they malding and sharting

>>28458839
>What performance sedans are sold for 6 figures?
Panamera
Taycan
AMG/Brabus
M3/M5/B5/B7
RS5/RS7
Project 8
Rapide
Ghlibli
CT5V
Plaid
Lucid

>>28455472 (OP)
1500hp yet still slower than 20 year old american cars?

Lol, better luck next time, asia

>>28459318
Those aren't performance sedans they're luxury cars. Nobody in their right mind is taking a Panamera that weighs like 2 tons, racing.
The closest thing you have there is a M3, and even then the last time BMW was serious about performance was 2 decades ago, these are cars for drug dealers and arab nepo babies now.
Pic is an actual performance sedan.

>>28459322
Who would spend 300k on a GTR? The whole legacy of the Skyline GTR and even the standalone GTR platform was that it could match perfromance of supercars for less.

>>28460078
Just because people aren't racing their 100k performance cars doesn't mean they aren't performance cars. I don't see anyone racing their Paganis but I would never say Pagani doesn't make high performance cars.

>>28460179
>Pagani doesn't make high performance cars
I mean...they don't, Paganis are """art""" pieces more then they are cars.

>>28460309
oh okay. so the only things that count as performance cars are cars that personally consider to be performance cars so that they don't invalidate your opinion

>>28460504
Yes. The only performance sedans are the ones in the lower/middle price bracket because they're cheap speed, easier for a manufacturer to take a commuter and upgrade it then make an entire new car. Anything that is 100k and above falls more under luxury cars because the focus isn't speed but luxury, some attention was given to performance but for the most part it's an afterthought at best. Hence why the new BMW M5 weighs almost 2 and a half tons.
Again 2 AND A HALF TONS( 2,435 kg (5,368 lbs)).
Does that sound like "performance" to you?

>>28460179
>I don't see anyone racing their Paganis
There was a Zonda GR produced for FIA GT racing in 2003 and it retired from the one race it entered. So you're right.

>>28459322
Try again lol

>>28460612