Thread 28469074

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I have a problem with Volvo 240 M47 transmission - 1st and 2nd gear wont engage. Reverse, 3rd, 4th and 5th work fine.
Also, when 3rd, 4th or 5th gear is engaged, then the shifter moves around quite a bit.
What should I check/look into?
Can it be fixed without removing the transmission?

-clutch slave cylinder is failing
-clutch master cylinder is failing
-clutch is failing
-air in the clutch line
One of these probably.

>m47
It's fucked.
Do the gears grind or just won't go in at all, or they go in normally, but car just doesn't move in them?
You can start by disassembling the shifter assembly and looking at the shifter forks if they're all in place.
M47 transmissions were called "soup ladles" for a reason, the shifters usually are vague as fuck and worn to hell and back.

check the linkage? (#3)
rebuild the shifter?
https://www.ipdusa.com/products/20846/Bronze-Shifter-Bushings-M46-M47-for-Volvo-Aftermarket

Other than that, make sure your slave cylinder is working correctly.

>>28469074 (OP)
When was the last time the gear oil in the transmission was changed, and what oil did you use?
If that's a "yellow metal" syncro box, it might be like most Aisin manual transmissions up through the 90s and require non-synthetic GL4, and if you or someone else filled it with a synthetic modern GL5 super oil, it'll cause this issue.
>source:
You don't know just how many Nissan FS5W71B and 71C transmissions I've "fixed" for people by diagnosing this.
But also what anons have posted above. I'm not familiar with the transmission myself but a quick glance at web results says these things are plagued with such issues.

>>28469083
It isn't going to be the clutch or anything related to it.
>>28469110
>>28469084
Without even knowing a thing about that specific transmission, specifically first and second being locked out (assuming this is a standard 5 speed H pattern) would have me looking at anything from shift linkages to bushings to transmission mounts.

>>28469083
Clutch is alright, it was replaced last year and it has wire clutch (?), not the hydraulic one
>>28469084
No grinding, I can take off with 3rd gear
>mfw
>>28469110
Thanks, will look into it
>>28469187
Transmission oil was replaced 2 years ago, i'll have to search for the papers for the oil
>>28469195
Yeah, it's 5 speed H pattern, will look into the linkage. Thanks!

>>28469233
It sounds like the selector forks/shifter for 1/2 has broken or come loose. Could be a ‘box out job

>>28469233
Two years ago wasn't long enough ago for the oil to be breaking down, and if it had been replaced with the incorrect oil, your issues would've begun immediately. You're fine on the oil.

I have one with the same transmission. Mine's also worn out, but the play even when in gear is quite a bit, so for gears 3-5 I would call that "normal". Second the notion that it's first/second gear specific. Can you put it into reverse?

>>28469617
that is quite some fucking slop lmao

>>28469617
My first Datsun 510 was like this because it was missing both the shifter pivot and the selector bushings.

>>28469308
Hoping it's linkage slop for OP's sake but I second this

>>28469308
Okay, i'll try to be ready for the worst
>>28469617
Whatever gear was engaged (except reverse), the shifter moved way more around. Reverse goes in with no problem even without the first and second gear

>>28469617
reminds me of my old cressida lol. the selector arm that the end of the shifter sat in had its plastic + rubber layered bushing worn the fuck out, and the big rubber bushing just above that where the shifter bolted down into was also 1/5th of its original size because it had also worn out over the years.
got a delrin and bronze bushing kit and it was basically factory new shifting for as long as i had it, zero side to side play.

>>28469074 (OP)
Have you tried adjusting your clutch cable?
There should be an adjusting nut here near the clutch fork
Sounds similiar to a problem i had where i needed to adjust the clutch a bit

Here is a pic from a repair manual

>>28470250
>Whatever gear was engaged (except reverse), the shifter moved way more around.
Definitely check your motor/transmission mounts while you're down there then. Those are rubber and have a lifespan of about 10 years, so if those are original then there's a good chance they're in desperate need of replacement. My shifter also used to move even more severely (especially while running) than vid related, and that was because the drivers-side motor mounts was completely sheared off...

>>28470253
We used to sell our own upgraded bushing kits for the Toyota W58 and R154 on eBay. Even included a single piece billet aluminum replacement for the bonded rubber/steel sleeve bushing in the actuation arm (the arm the actual shift lever engaged & moved) that originally was only replaceable by buying & replacing the entire arm.

>>28469617

Lol my father in laws cabover delivery truck's shifter wiggles as much in gear as it does in neutral. I really need to video that. You can still get it in and out of gear alright though which is amazing. Only second is tricky coming from first.

>>28470274

Would have a problem with all gears if the clutch was still dragging.