Thread 28472658

Lolo pass edition bmw thread!

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^MEET, FUCK, AND RIDE!^
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Links
>https://msf-usa.org
>https://cycle-ergo.com/
>https://superbikeschool.com
>https://ridelikeachampion.com
>https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/helmets

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Vids
>Twist Of The Wrist II
https://youtu.be/ClmFaHuJUDU?si=FU6pnfI1fp4OtgJC

>How to Save A Speed Wobble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OQTU-kE2s

>Bakuon
https://hianime.to/watch/bakuon-5834?ep=42715

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Best bike coming through

Ténéré

>>28472670
Faggot piece of shit I bet it make all of 80hp to move 600 fucking pounds LMAO

>>28472670
why are the handlebars so high??

>>28472670
"No I didn't serve but I totally wanted to" the bike

>>28472658 (OP)
keep the titles "daily bike thread" you fucking autistic faggot

I don't think I can post here anymore, guys.
I started my new job at my local Honda Powersports dealer yesterday. I don't want to seem like I'm shilling or pushing when I'm just trying to have fun. My other friend who works for Harley stopped using his favorite boomer forums when he started, and I think that was a good idea. Maybe if I move onto selling cages or just something different in a couple years I can come back, but until then... Goodbye. :(

>>28472677
lol who taught you to bitch about that little tranner

>>28472673
Any bike will kill you in a second

Ur not Valentino Rossi. The larp is over.

fuel pump works, but no fuel is making it to the carb
I think this vacuum valve is the issue
(yes I know the fuel lines arent connected im not THAT stupid)
I can suck fuel out of the tank with the ignition on now
but the carb wont suck it by itself

Love this thing, wanted to do the first service myself but the jewlership told me I shouldn’t bc I run the risk of voiding my warranty.

>>28472680
Dude chill, without you this place is nothing

>>28472681
in english?

>>28472688
newfag

>>28472242
They only had one 660 and it was booked out for the entire day an hour after the event started. I would've liked to have tried it to compare it to the V-Strom, Ténéré, and TrannySlap, but I couldn't. If it was anything like the sport offerings I'm sure it was great.

>>28472680
waa waa shut the fuck up faggot
i've been a saleman and mechanic in a yammerhar dealership for 8 years now, and still ride my triumph to work every day and place it right next to the front door

>>28472686
fag

>>28472690
>uuuhm youre a newfag because you want people to actually be able to find the thread

kill yourself you retarded chimp
play these games in the off-season when nobodys picking up biking
not in the middle of summer when we're actually gonna have new people coming here

you faggots are worse than the /vg/ retards sniping threads 30 posts early to call it a "gen" over a "general"

kill yourself.

U know what I think is funny. You kids literally think I can’t afford whatever bike is approved by you on this shit board.
I’ve had them all.

writing the whole shit out when searching

>>28472703
wheres your ducati?

>>28472693
>still ride my triumph to work every day
I rode my grandpa's old Sportster to my first day and will continue to until I get a Honda again. I'll also probably still ride it sometimes too as no one cared. That wasn't the issue. I've just gotten really deep into it to ensure I know everything about all the bikes and their history, and stuff I didn't care about like SXSs and ATVs (just doing my job, but it seems like a lot of my coworkers haven't) and now I feel like I've gotten a bug in my head.

>>28472693
>and still ride cock
ftfy

>>28472703
Let's run down the checklist
>Look at me I'm so cool raising the mutts bred by my wife cheating on me
>Look at me I'm so cool I had to sell all of these better bikes than my ugly as fuck hog
>Look at me I'm so cool I scrape wide AF boards on muh hawg
You can now leave.

>>28472682
lol did you widen this bitch?

>>28472709
Eat my ass Conlan
U really think I ain’t coming for that ass

went out to the coastal cliffs to watch the sunset last night, had a good time
also tested out this new jacket I picked up off ebay, some old guy was selling his basically brand new fox creek leather jacket for like $300 or so, talked him down to $250
considering the original price is over $600 I figure I got a good deal, especially when I skipped the ridiculous $35 shipping fee by picking it up from him in person
very excellent jacket, heavy as fuck 1.6mm thick leather and has armor pockets too

>>28472681
Tranny that likes gay baby talk made up words calling other people trannies is peak irony

>>28472682
The one on the left looks just like my friend's fiancee.

>post bike
>some faggot immediately starts typing up a storm
must feel good.

>>28472719
Very aesthetic anon
Wanna ride 33 sometime?

>>28472710
>just doing my job, but it seems like a lot of my coworkers haven't

yeah most people that work in [brand] places dont actually care about [brand] they just care about selling [brand] to customer because they get a nice commission

theres a tesla workshop like 2 roads away from us, not a single tech drives a tesla or even electric car
all the BMW techs on our road drive japanese cars, and the lexus techs are all in euromobiles

33°C is too damn hot for leather jacket. also cowe

>>28472260
i'm just very protective and insecure i guess, beta can surely take being outside but it's my baby! i want to treat it right
>>28472262
>>28472266
i guess i should be safe for that,not too worried about it getting stolen where i'd want to get like an anchor and chain but maybe a disk lock just to be super safe?
>>28472325
but shooms i'm the only one that likes bikes in the house and also my parents would disown me if i rode something like that :(

>>28472716
>Conlan
who?
sorry im not clued in on your meth head schizoid cross-thread cross-board drama

also that looks like a harley you posted, not a ducati

>>28472719
just when I thought EF was the biggest faggot in the thread this guy shows up lmfao

>>28472720
>made up words
'ku isnt a made up word its the french translation of the japaneese word baiku or ottobai. try to keep up

>>28472724
>they just care about selling [brand] to customer because they get a nice commission
Great, but I think that means they should know their shit. I made flashcards for all the models and categories. I learned whatever little acronym and detail meant. I read up on all upcoming and new models. I memorized the history of every model. I don't think the first customers I met with the guy I'm shadowing until I'm actually allowed to sell should know more than him and force him to look like a fool. I thought he was testing me at first, but no, he actually just knows shit about everything in there and he's not even the worst.

>>28472728
If u don’t know who CJmaxx is than ur a Newfag. Which is honestly all par the course here. I been here since 2013.

>>28472737
Yeah, all gay baby talk moeblob poster BS, like I said

>>28472715
nope, just pure /adv/ slampiggy

>>28472672
Are the windscreen and fairing on the t7 enough to comfortably put in an hour or two at 80mph+ into a strong headwind? I have a dual sport that I enjoy, but it turns out there's only so much you can do for a 300lbs bike with no fairing when you're riding the highway into a 40mph headwind that just wants to shove you all over the damn road.

>>28472723
I don't think I've ridden the 33 yet, at least not the really scenic part.

To be honest, I like Ethan, insomuch as I enjoy the window into his life. He's as close to a blogger as we get on /o/ and the fact that we can poke the bear and know he will react is an awful lot of fun
The guy has done well trucking but he has an incredible inferiority complex that keeps him replying to trolls and God knows why he posts his family on here, he's a bit deranged and immature. I don't like him, but I like that he's here. I enjoy his updates and I can count on him to take my bait. Good guy.

>>28472741
>moeblob
you cant complain about "made up words" then use this word, nobody knows what it means

>>28472732
damn nigga what's your problem lol

first for

>DUCATI

>>28472739
>they should know their shit
yes they should - but they dont
if youre a salesman its all about charisma
if youre a tech, you very rarely see the customer and all the mechanical jargon you throw at them just goes over their head (also youre usually covered in oil and stinky so dont want to talk to people)

90% of people coming into a dealership already know what they want, its basically just your job to sell them addons
go and (unironically) watch some Rory Sutherland talks about sales and psychology, it'll unironically be more useful for you than actually learning your trade

>>28472750
That poster specifically would, as that is a common /a/ term for that type of character design.

>>28472749
U know I ain’t doin shit right
I’m the bad boy here. Try being me once in a while.

>>28472756
>Try being me once in a while
I would but I don't find cows attractive.

>>28472740
>ive wasted my entire life here for minor internet fame/infamy and if you dont know me or my schizoid buddys youre a newfag!

yeah no wonder you were auto-filtered, back into the filter you go you HIV+ freak

>>28472737
>its the french translation of the japaneese word baiku or ottobai

and yet, youre speaking english, on an american website, owned by a chink, hosted in the cayman islands

>>28472658 (OP)
>my bike in the OP

got this man installing browser extensions and implementing key word filters

bye bye!

What's the point of having a heavy and *comfy* 30k bike?
You can buy a car for more comfy feelings and be actually safe for less money.
Are people dumb?
If you want safety and comfort for crooosing just get a fucking car, it will probably have a bettter gas mileage too

>>28472777
My ass and knees shouldn't be on fire during a long scenic ride. Manufacturers used to know how to make good seats.

>>28472777
>4 door triumph street triple
ehh, kinda based

>>28472745
Depends on a few things anon.
I'm about 1.85m in non freedom units tall and the windscreen works very well, the turbulent wind from from the screen goes about to my neck and stays off my helmet so that cuts out a lot of noise, I also wear ear plugs and have a decently isolating lid that cuts down on most of the wind noise. I can comfortably sit for an hour and a half at those speeds before fuel starts to run low and I get fatigue from all the noise.
It's decent enough protection for an "everything" style of bike.

Try to schedule a test drive if you can, most yamaha dealer's I rang up when I was looking to buy had a t7 for available for a test ride.

Bros I want a ninja 300 but there's none to buy from authorized dealers, all they've got is warp-drive variants capable of interstellar travel. How does one even buy a beginner bike without being sold a second-hand lemon

>riding through a bunch of small towns for shits and giggles this weekend
>See big thunderhead up ahead
>Hmm, forecast said no rain, but...
>Pull in to nearby brewery
>Throw on the cheap half cover I keep inna saddlebag
>"Waterproof", says $17 Amazion listing
>Walk in, order a beer
>As I sit down, sky starts dumping rain
>Keeps going for about 45 minutes
>Pic related
>When it stops, walk out to see if the tarp worked
>The damn thing held up
Lucky me, I won't have to ride home with a soaked crotch.

>>28472613
>would you trade your bike for an R7?
Not a chance in hell, I went up to 243 last weekend and was consistently getting smoked off the line by my buddy on his XSR700 and the same has happened with a vstronk650. This bike weighs 470lbs and makes about 100hp. It’s really not that quick all things considered.
But the feeling from constantly screaming it out in each corner, downshifting to 10k and screaming it back up to 13 on my way, the feeling from that smooth power delivery where you can’t even notice how fast you’re accelerating, the feeling from the sound it makes all throughout the powerband, the feeling I get parking it and looking back at such a beautiful and dense concentration of early 2000’s sportbike heritage and culture is all unmatched. I love my FZ6, there’s very few bikes I think I like more after getting to know it so well. I love motorcycles bros

I would like suggestions on what armor bike gloves are better.

Mostly for falling on ground, or some junk I guess.
Pic related

>>28472799
Or something like this?

Other suggestions?

>>28472772
>youre speaking english, on an american website, owned by a chink, hosted in the cayman islands
Which is your town should be settled by 10,000 brown people.

>>28472806
>>28472799
The only thing that really matters is how padded/thick the palm is, and whether or not it has scaphoid sliders. It's very common to fuck up your arms/hands trying to catch yourself from a fall at speed.

>>28472799
I recommend the scorpion exo sgs gloves, I've been wearing em for three years and the only thing that's broken is the rubber covering the strap cracked, but the velcro and everything still works fine
they're also still pretty cheap for gloves that come with scaphoid knox sliders

>>28472795
Buy used from a decent seller. If you're not mechanically inclined or at least willing to learn, bikes are not a good hobby.
>>28472798
I work that poor little 700 pretty hard to accelerate at a decent speed, the FZ6 has the better motor.

>>28472711
t. Royal Shitfieldian

Sup /dbt/, RZ anon here with an update. This bike had sat for the better part of 15 years and is now my summer daily after a year of tlc. I was not prepared for the amount of attention it brings when I'm out running errands.

>>28472798
Would you betray Yamaha for a GSXR600?

>>28472806
Something to overlap your sleeve is high on my list. Gauntlet style stops you scrubbing away your wrist when shtf.

>>28472719
This image is the equivalent of an anime wolf staring melancholily over a stormy sea

>>28472719
lol i just realized the western asian smoking cruiser man is a real poster

>>28472822
Those seem like good gloves, it's price is 108, with tax and shipping like 120$?

The gloves I posted are probably junk. But they would save me like 70$.

Is it worth 70$? Any glove is better then no gloves.
Are the gloves I posted bad?

>>28472838
Anything that is leather on the palm side is better than nothing.

so...do you replace chain and sprokcets together or just the chain, my sprockets look fine.

>>28472841
I once said try having a wnak with no hands in a place that had disabled veterans.
Gloves are good.
Not having your hands blown off is better.

>>28472703
Cute lil sportsters you got there, my dad runs a 77 shovelhead non-evo 80ci bored 6 thou over because his hands aren't soft like yours

>>28472847
Together to maximize life, but I won't say that I haven't been guilty of just doing the chain.

>>28472777
Literally me

>>28472847
Both. One wears to match the other.

>>28472799
I got these ls2 gloves for $100, they are AA rated, better quality than the Scorpion sgs gloves which I also have, also better quality than cortech gloves I have 2 different pairs.

>>28472823
lol you do be putting in the work but my point wasn’t that it was slower than the CP2 but that it wasn’t as “practical”.
I did a stoplight race with a friend on an R7 once and FZ does come out on top after it hits its peaks at 10-12k lol
>>28472827
The only thing I think I would give up the FZ6 for would be if they put the 750 engine in the nu-katana and gave it a proper gas tank and bench seat for max comf road tripping or maybe a fully tour prepped busa.
But there’s nothing Kawasaki or Honda makes that seems nearly as appealing to me as the FZ6. The VFR would be a winner if it wasn’t so fucking heavy and had the radiators mounted to the sides

>>28472712
That's a really cool Royal Enfield big bro

Anyone wanna se my custom made pannier retainers?
Managed to ditch the ugly original plastic boxes.

>>28472812
maybe learn to write properly before posting here you ESL

>>28472881
Cutie. Do the panniers get wider?
Fix the mudguard ;)

>>28472869
Get a 5th gen vfr. 500 pounds is literally nothing for that bike especially how well it hides its weight. Radiators on the side isn't a big deal, the fairings protect them adequately against damage. The kawi is objectively an inferior bike, most machines are compared to that gen of interceptor

>60mph on 2 lane
>lots of sunday traffic
>road construction sign, but no new speed limit or other warning signs
>hit 5 miles of resurfacing that looks like pic related on a narrow 50/50 tire
No sir, I don't like it. But by God you'd better not slow down to 50mph or the line of trucks behind you will attempt vehicular homicide.

>>28472863
I could go for 50 or 80$ gloves.

Is 100$ gloves my only "good" option?
Can i start with good cheap gloves and over years get the more fancy? (i dont have much extra money)

>>28472889
A bit.
Also I'm looking for an intact mudguard, this one is cut up and bolted inwards, looks stupid, I know.

>>28472895
30% of the price of your first bike will get you basic gear if you want to live to get another.
It sucks but all that safety stuff a car comes with is what you wear.

My neighborhood riding group finally went for our first outing yesterday. Mix of beginner bikes, big boomer-esque touring bikes, and performance stuff. Harleybros were waving at us and giving us space even though we were a group made up of no Harleys and mixed shit, meanwhile Jackasses on liter bikes were bombing past a couple inches from our newer riders for no reason.
Where's this stupid meme from? Those fatasses on hogs were the ones being the coolest. Racing past someone on a kawi eliminator or RE Meteor who's already uncomfortable on the highway that were trying to help gain confidence isn't helpful.
Otherwise fun ride and we got our newer riders feeling better about longer(ish) and group riding. Hopefully we can continue to do this and grow everyone's skill. Not exactly the riding I normally do, as I had to keep up the rear for safety as one of only two guys in our group with group experience, but helping my neighbors is fun enough.

>>28472897
I've scraped more than one of those. It's cool.

>>28472908
what meme, im just posting a nice grey tenere

>>28472906
It's 1%ers and a handful of Sons of Anarchy larpers that give Harleyboomers a bad name. Most of them are chill and have been happy to chat with my as a Honda rider. I think anyone over 40 still riding a motorcycle probably hates the anti-Christ and has rejected the modern world.

>>28472895
Sure but a lot of gloves are pretty crappy protection-wise. And if you go down the first thing you will do is brace your self with your hands

>>28472881
> ITALIA
nice guzzi, anon! did you know the california is the official parade bike for italy?

>>28472895
>>>28472799
I got these macna judo so far and they seem good, they have leather on the palm, stitches outside and have a palm slider and they where sub 80€

>>28472826
How much was it?

>>28472925
i'm a fucking retard, wrong pic

>>28472925
>did you know the california is the official parade bike for italy?
Still? I thought they all got replaced by BMWs.
I know it was made for the California Highway Patrol as they got sick and tired of their harleys and whatnots shitting the bed all the time

2022 plate, fully loaded, with a £600 scorpion exhaust, and its "HD Certified Approved Used"

Whats the cause for the mega dropoff in price of these things? do BROTHERS just not like them?

I'm tempted to go for a test ride, because for a basically new bike, fully loaded, with over £2k of extras, at 50% off, it seems too good to be real

>>28472906
most harleyboomers are just old doods that wanna ride a cool lookin bike and take it slow, maybe layerdown around some clibbins every so often

boomers like the aesthetic of appearing hard core and rough, but even with a lot of the 1%er types, theyre actually extremely approachable and will help you with bike-related stuff as long as youre not an ass or trying to "step on their turf"

zoomerbrain tiktok/biketok faggots are the ones who'll scream past you at 100 in a school zone, so they can show off to their 1k followers, 2 friends and 3 guys theyre financing the bike together with

like >>28472921, I've got a supersports, go down to local bikemeets and the harleyboomers are always gawking at the fact I clean it before I come down and always up for a chat, trade tips etc.

just keep your newbies safe and remind them to not get dragged into the racing/speeding faggot mentality

>>28472931
I hear they are good bikes, underrated if anything. But to me, I don't get the appeal of these 500lb+ 'adventure' bikes. Too big and heavy, imo.

>>28472928
oh no police bikes are big bmws but "corazzieri" bikes are still moto guzzi california, it's parade bikes and parade escorts for the president and other political figures

>>28472953
adventure the pavements because its a harley
I'd do shit like the NC500 on it, or the on-road sections of TET

Why does he say he's not a twink?

>>28472751
I sincerely hope you aren't an ameritard with that flag riding around. Ain't nothing to be patriotic about rn

>>28472978
>Ain't nothing to be patriotic about rn

shut your shitlib commie ass the fuck up, you colossal homo, else next time we send the boys out i'll have them grind you up and sprinkle you over the bunker busters

>>28472826
>I was not prepared for the amount of attention it brings when I'm out running errands.
Yep, people stop to see you leave, want to take pictures, ask questions and reminisce about their infancy. Turn your head and boomers spawn around you

How many layers of protection should you have?

I have an armor vest, an armor jacket (not really for summer?)
I have armor pants, and armor over pants
(The over pants can go over other pants, how do they not let you know which are over pants?)

And I'm wonder if i should get some armor shorts or armor shirt or something.
For my base layer, and summer.

Am I doing too much?

>>28472939
>just keep your newbies safe and remind them to not get dragged into the racing/speeding faggot mentality
I'm not worried about that. Not only because of their bikes, but also who they are. The almost 50yo lesbo and 30 something balding millennial aren't going to be going crazy if you put them on a liter bike or muscle cruiser. Even our guy who's younger than me on a beatup R3 is super safe and has common sense.

>>28472984
>next time we send the boys out
>we send the boys
>we
I hope you got that dd214, the way you're talking shit

>>28472988
I should note, the armor over pants are also note really for summer.

If that wasn't clear.

>>28472986
Elsie is god tier. Even us boomers are fans.
It pre-dates the mad 250 and 400 four stroke stupididity that came out of Japan.
You'd get a nod or a wave.

>>28472993
not for another 5 years at least ;)

>>28472931
My old man traded his hyperstrada 939 for this and he‘s happy as fuck with it. This year alone he‘s been from Luxembourg to Greece and back, then had it shipped to Morocco, rode around there, took the ferry back to Europe and rode it back through Spain and France.
Right now he‘s doing TET

>>28472892
>radiators on the side isn’t a big deal
I have a 27” inseam, I don’t mind not flat footing but I’m guaranteed to drop my bike at some point. The fear of dropping it on the radiator is a bit much for me.
Besides it’s only making 8 more HP with a 30lb disadvantage vs the FZ6 and 200ccs more displacement. Whats the appeal over my current setup?

>>28473009
It's a really fun engine and sounds angry through the entire rev range. I would not sell an FZ6 for a VFR but they're both very fun bikes.

>>28472986
>>28472999

R7 will be loved just like this 20 years later.

>>28473009
>I have a 27”
>Doodle on a Motorcycle (5' 3 1/2” 31” inseam)

anon... are you even 5 foot?

>>28473024
Women have proportionally longer legs. I'm 6'2" and have a 31" inseam.

Do you wash inside the plastic?

>>28473029
anon thats not how it works...

I went downtown Friday night, looking at all the nightlife and stuff going on. Was trying to find a good spot to take a new pic so I stopped on this back street in an old warehouse district. This car pulls up under the viaduct I wanted to use as a backdrop and just sits there for a minute. I'm watching it because I'm in a kind of shady area. It eventually pulls out and I think it's leaving so I relax a little, but the reverse lights come on and it's backing toward me. Now I'm even more alert. This dude gets out of the car and just stares at me a second before walking toward me, and I'm staring back at him because I don't know wtf he's doing. It's a weird part of town, I'm in front of an old ass warehouse, there's nothing around but train tracks and the viaduct, and it's 1AM. I become keenly aware of how long it would take to pull my gun out of my jackets gun pocket.
Dude says, "how ya doin?" Pulls out a key, and goes in the buulding.
>mfw I realized I was parked in front of this dudes apartment and I was the one being weird.

>>28473003
damn, ask him if hes done any mods n shit and how he's finding it for me and report back, ty xoxo

>>28473024
Different people have different proportions.

t. 5'6" w/ 28" inseam

>>28473021
>>28473024
Too old

>>28473064
5'3 with a 31" inseam is pretty insane though. That's women tier

>>28473064
Anything JDM is designed to fit you.

>>28473024
Yeah, your legs are unusually long. I'm 5' 11" with 33" legs and those slightly longer than the average of 32" for my height.

>>28472740
>2013
>calling anybody a newfag
kek I've been here since literally day 1 of /o/. What was that, '04 or '05?
I think pic related is '06 or '07 (exif says '18 but that's when I saved it off my own photobucket since I'd lost the original), even has the trip name I used to use here before I decided that attention whoring on an anonymous website was retarded.

>>28472974
probably just humble

>>28473024
>>28473069
Damn I thought I had long legs at 5'9" and 32". No wonder she rides, driving cars must suck for her with those proportions, I already have a hard time with a lot of them myself (especially Toyotas) and she's way more lopsided.

what the fuck is happening today with all the drama

>>28473159
attentionseeking american faggots

>>28472680
>now that I might actually learn something and have real knowledge to contribute I’m gonna stop posting
Are you retarded? Don’t answer that

>>28472881
>>28472925
>ITALIA

>>28473009
>tfw 5’10” and 28” inseam
It sucks twice because it also means most windscreens are too low for my extra long torso and large head
I have to do what this guy does
https://youtu.be/PcrKpIY8sFQ?si=7gVnzHqYgK527cs_

>>28472685
I did the first service on my zx14. They said as long as I keep the receipts and take pictures as evidence I should be fine but I've never had to bring the bike in for anything at all.
With a Ducati, I'd probably pay for the first service.
>Sedici helmet
How do you like it? I'm curious how good a budget cycle gear helmet is.

>>28472777
I'm unironically more comfortable on something like a Goldwing or FJR1300 than I am in an econobox.

>>28472777
Buying a car that’s as comfy as a touring bike costs 100,000 dollarydoos

>>28473200
Sedici is one of the few brands that makes 3XL helmets for my obnoxious Neanderthal skull. Next time I'm going for a Scorpion or Arai.

>>28473222
hell ya brother

>>28473024
I’m about 5’7” with my boots and somewhere between 5’5” and 5’6” with them off. I think I just have an obscenely long torso
>>28473013
Yeah I don’t mean to knock the VFR, I do feel they’re about even. Just don’t see the need to switch from one to the other.

>>28473265
are you cute anon?

>>28473273
I have a cute little weiner.

Im working on math on the CBX. Trying to see how far my current parts pile is from my target weight.
I started to strip off the parts im not going to use and thought "hey, its still complete and references vary by nearly 100 pounds on dry weight (and add another 80 for wet weight).
So im going slap everything together and get a true weight off my crane scale.

Looking for a sports tourer. Got to be sporty and fun to ride. Choosing between
>Busa ( old or very new for cruise control)
>Blackbird
>Vfr
>Ducati supersport/ panigale V2 (new one)
Already written off the z1000sx and gsxs1000gt. They ain't got no aura

>>28473273
back off he's mine

>>28473290
we can share him

>>28473289
Is bird truly the word?

>>28472931
Theres a new rider in my area that bought one of these. Its probably appeals to dudes who want a Harley, but didn't think much beyond that.
>>28473259
I got a sedici strada 3 squidly pink that i've been putting >anime stickers on. They were backlogged stock on the Blue helmet so I went with pink squid instead.

>>28473295
>I got a sedici strada 3 squidly pink that i've been putting >anime stickers on. They were backlogged stock on the Blue helmet so I went with pink squid instead.
are you small and cute?

>>28473289
BMW r1300 rt

>>28473295
>appeals to dudes who want a Harley, but didn't think much beyond that.

i think its the opposite actually, its harley trying to reach out to people who dont want to ride brothermachines - they tried it too with the nightster a few years ago and just went too esoteric with it (shit like under-seat fuel cap)
they know theyre a dying brand and need to innovate (or get another US Govt. war grant) to stay alive, like they have in the past, because they build their brand on "buy 1 bike and keep it for life" and that doesnt really create repeat customers

>>28473289
VFR if you can find one at a decent price anymore, otherwise Zukachi.

>>28473297
186cm 120kg 16.5cm

>>28473295
>Rides around with caked out Brazilian Miku on the back of his head

1 owner, 8k miles, 2007 fireblade
£6000

should I?

>>28473308
>8k miles, 2007

>>28473259
>Scorpion
I like mine. only complaint is the scorpion comm system max volume is too low at speed.

>>28473311
what is this pepe supposed to express

>>28473289
New Katana

>>28472834
I do try lol
>>28472836
that's pretty funny lol did you see some of the earlier pics and think they were just random pics found on the internet? that's a real compliment

>>28473322
>did you see some of the earlier pics and think they were just random pics found on the internet?
Yea they look like stock photos or something :D

>>28473327
lol
you got me wondering if I could actually sell my photos to some stock photo company...

>Suzuki left MotoGP mid season
Never forget what they took from you.

>>28473273
>>28473276
zesty af

>>28473316
Nta but "depression and disbelief that the bikes was only ridden 1k miles a year" (?)

>>28472756
>that pic

>>28473316
presumably, disappointment over the low mileage v time ratio
dude was barely riding it

>>28473354
I've only put 1500 miles on my bike since November because I can only ride weekends.

Riding the tat, started in east WV. Flat in Mississippi was first real issue. Had to run a front tube in the rear for ~40 miles till I could find a bike shop.
NC and Arkansas were awesome.
Oklahoma sucked absolute ass.
New Mexico was the first "if something happens out here I'm fucked" feeling.
Hanging out in CO with some friends before moving on.

>>28473364
That reminds me, I need to add a ground cover sheet to my tool kit.

>Thinking about weekend ride all work week
>Scour map apps looking for weird, tore down county roads to ride down
>Entire ride, paranoid as shit about crap going wrong on the bike
>Especially paranoid about catching a nail since I have tubed tires and changing a tube suuuuuuuucks
>Unable to relax until I get back close to home
>Put bike up
>Immediately begin wishing I could ride out to the boonies again

>>28473408
are you a faggot?

dual clocks are the ideal motorcycle instrumentation

>>28473423
for me its single dial, with digital readout.
inb4 some TV screen gauge cluster chad mogs us

>>28473423
Best cluster I’ve ever seen irl is the second gen hayabusa

>>28473435
Third gen is cool too but second takes it for me.

>>28473428
I like the rev bar, reminds me of the 80s

>>28473417
If I'm stressing about tires and brake lines, do you really think I could handle buttsex with other dudes?

>>28473445
I hate TFT/LCD displays so much

>>28473423
analogue rev counter, digital speed

>>28473428
My favorite has to be the s1k in engine fault mode

>>28473423
>>28473455
old s1krr clock+digi is sexo too

>>28473455
spooky

>>28473451
The death of segmented displays is a generational tragedy.

stamped
https://youtu.be/pLb3INPkEUw?si=hWmJZ-a3f2QgBZXM&t=6

>>28473423
7
>>28473428
8
>>28473435
9
>>28473440
6
>>28473445
7
>>28473454
8
>>28473455
5
>>28473456
7

>>28473423
first thing I'd do before chopping up a basket case CB is put this garbage on ebay to recoup what I paid for the bike.

Itt: poors

>>28473289
Consider a BMW K1300s

Man, I want a fucking GSXR600, or 750, but whenever I think about the HEAT from a 4cylinder engine and gas mileage my pepe is getting smaller

>>28473509
>shaft drive
>BMW
>20+ years old

been riding almost 3 weeks now, im finally gonna work up the courage to go on the freeway... im scared because i dont really have proper gear, but the only stores close to where i live that sell motorcycle gear need me to commute on the freeway to get to them, so i gotta do it just that once

>>28473514
>made until 2016
>20 years old
anon pls

anon I hope you don't do this

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sizipMcZSzc

>>28473515
if it's a fast bike then freeways are easy

>>28473527
its not that fast but its not that slow, im on an RE int650, ill admit ive never took it above 4th gear yet

>>28473525
>leaning like that on an on ramp
who's he trying to impress, fucking faggot
and a gapcam on the back

he deserved to get hit

>>28472719
this would be a good photo if you weren't in it, unironically

>>28473289
Very difficult lineup to pick from.
If you plan to chew up a lot of miles and don't want too much heat on you then go blackbird and don't make it loud.
If you dgaf then busa and just build it right.
If you aren't doing 100+ mile trips or crossing state lines for commutes or fun etc then go for the vfr to live with everyday izza good sports tourer rode my buddy's and shit was so fun and weirdly comfortable.
If you plan to ride to the coffee shop once a month then get a ducati.

>>28472826
May God richly bless all anons who restore and ride old neglected bikes

Bros, all these hills are MINE
>>28473463
Oh man ima have some nice insta sneed60 footages, some kewl trails full of pothole shite

>>28473564
I'm going to do it even more

>>28473009
You could get an 8th gen which has a normal radiator. Although the only bike I haven’t been able to flat foot was a super adventure r (i’m 5’3”), but flat footing is only useful for reversing uphill

>>28473454
This is the way

>>28473616
Based cringe kino conisseur
Fuck those faggots anyway, you took amazing night photo the othwr threqd inna city

Also since its northern hemisphere summer again, its time to remind dbt that I have never dropped or crashed a motorcycle. Any other flawless anons feel free to reply with an image of your pristine fairings and levers

>>28473009
How tall are you. A simple seat swap goes a long way.

>>28473265
Vfrs are 100k+ mile bikes easy. Jap cops used em and racked fuckton of idle miles without breakin. 5'7 with boots and a aftermarket or shaved seat you'll be able to flat foot the 5th gen. I don't know shit about fz6 but what I do know is as long as the brake fluid is good the vfr is S tier machine

>>28473177
Do you think I get super special secret info or the ghost of Soichiro Honda now speaks in my ear. Everything I know or will learn is all publicly available to everyone on this board with a quick Google search. My opinions on specific motorcycles may now be swayed, thus making them pointless.

>>28473627
>5'3
>27 inseam

>>28473627
What helmet is this? I have never seen a 130HZ helmet

>>28473428
>>28473423
The TV screen is only useful if it's wired up to things like turn by turn navigation or phone caller ID. For anything less I'd prefer one of these two options.

>>28473525
That was really based, glad he didn't die God damn 4 cylinder chads are nuts and always push the limits I would take bike and riding advice from him.

>>28473608
What are we seeing here? Who's bike is this?

>>28473529
>General Woundwort contemplating the genocide of your burrow.

>>28473627
very cute

>>28473685
faggot crashed and almost died like an idiot

actually nice bike and nice riding here:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9UtDvv0P_TE

>>28473687
Youre seeing the end journey destination just outside kamloops on my bike after about 560km day and i still wana ride a bit more
My butt is hurt and sore though

I saw a real life Honda elite today. Rip elite anon

>>28473692
yea but he did it for the camp. you're focusing on the crash but for like 90% of he video he has that ZX4 on the EDGE

>>28473693
>my bike
you don't have a bike

>>28473689
Beware the white death

>>28472931
Some of the early ones had serious ECU/harness issues. Just check and see if this is an affected year. Otherwise they seem like awesome bikes, less-ugly Vstroms.

>>28473693
based shooms

>>28473616
what is that crest, are you like japaneese hells angles yakuza or like what?

>>28473706
He's Han from F&F3

>>28473711
han was a fd though, this guy would have to be one of those rare suzuki rotary bikes or a norton. link rel
https://youtu.be/ZZ5WIHclk68?si=OO0SbshiA-U6ofZT

>>28473423
This. Apparently mine are made by Pagani so u know it goes fast

>>28473698
EVWRYDAY I WAKE UP I PAM SLAM MY ENGLISH DUB AKIRA INTO THE VHS AND I KNOW ALL THE MOVES
RASSI RASSI
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>wins motoamerica in its first year
>wins its first race ever

>hehe nothink personel you had 20 years to buy an R6 brand new

Remind me again why do you hate this bike?

I'VE GOT NINE HUNDREND IN THIS R NINE
OOOOOH YEAAAAAAA

>>28473721
This is NOT a good bike nobody cares about any of that stuff the only thing that matters is nog pulls on Texas tollways

any sex havers ITT? If so what bike?

>>28473729
harley.

>just as fast as 1100 Katana
>just as fast as NSR400
>new
>cheap
>runs on any gas
>no heat in traffic
>beautiful
>simple steel frame, can be fixed if totaled
>utilitarian
>lightweight
>Yamaha


You can't name a flaw. This is the perfect bike.

>>28473512
Bro's gonna learn the hard way you can't turn a hoe into a housewife

Spring and fall are the real riding seasons. Summer is too hot and filled with bugs that leave your bike needing a wash every ride. I don't ride with full gear if the real feel is above 90.

>>28473681
It was top of the line back in 2012 before the vq248qe came out with 144hz

>>28473729
VFR800 with passenger seat, oem grab rail (sold out worldwide) and top box

>>28473742
>commuter bike with fake superbike fairings
>compromised riding position but can barely do 120mph
>fake vtwin noises
>owned by instagram faggots
>costs $15k+ usd???

Stupid fucking bike. I would consider one if they were 7k usd or less because thats what the sum of its parts are worth.

They should make a cruiser instead and call it the PMAX

>>28473749
Every season has a charm for me. Autumn is arguably the best weather for it.
Summer has sun well into the evenings, and warm night rides
Winter has fog and cozy winter gear

Actually I just remembered I hate spring because it just rains

>>28473749
I like it HOT

>>28473742
>You can't name a flaw

headlight looks like shit
needs an aftermarket exhaust
cheap/flimsy OEM mirrors
lack of choice in colours
badge isnt as cool as honda

>>28473525
>runs lap times of the street
>Cant even lift his own bike
Checks out.

>>28473616
if i was forced to post a picture of myself on a darker than darkweb interstellar satellite data mining bulletin board system, i would at least be doing something cool, a backflip or roundhouse kick a soda can or something

>>28473445
this is legitimately terrible, its just a sea of information, half of it irrelevant

>>28473742
The posture is too aggressive for the power you get, and the price is too high. I'd take a GSX-8R over an R7 if I was still super price conscious. But I'm not, so if I was going to get a twin sportbike it would be a Ducati Supersport 950.
>faster
>better ergos
>better electronics
>better real v twin engine
>prettier
>pannier option
>only for $6k more base MSRP

>>28473692
>bike-tok trash

>>28473727
>he remembers

>>28473772
>only $6k

>>28473781
Yeah that's not really a huge difference for people who aren't poor. The supersport is price competitive with the Harley Nightster which is so gimped it's actually A2 comploant.

>>28473784
Too much lean? Like do you really need to lean for a highway ramp?

>>28473751
>oem grab rail (sold out worldwide)
wow rare

>>28473515
Nobody I know who rides every day rides with a lot of gear
Fact is more gear = less riding

>>28473795
deep down people know theres no amount of gear that will save you,

>>28473619
>only useful for reverse uphill
It’s also useful for having a strong foot planted on the floor in case you lose balance at a stop. Jealous of your apparent perfect balance and confidence.
>>28473651
FZ6 is similarly unkillable, every couple weeks I’ll see one on FBMP with 70k+ miles
>>28473729
Yamaha.

>>28473796
Helmet is cool so you don’t bonk your head at 10mpg and die
Actually I think the new airbags are also very cool, lightweight, extremely good protection, neck bracing, I know a lot of track guys who have walked away free from high sides because of airbags
But realistically if you die on da streets it’s because Stacy rain you over and you’re cooked in that case either way
So yes I agree with you

>>28473791
Its hard to tell but I think he was going to go wide and pushed in harder, running out of tire. It also sounds like he may have added throttle at full lean.

>Like do you really need to lean for a highway ramp?
He has another video on his channel where he is running lap times and that ramp is on his rout. Looks like he is using highway ramps as a makeshift track. I'll admit Ive done stuff like this too, but I'm smart enough to do it early mornings on the weekend when there's hardly any traffic out.

Rode for the first time for the street for real today, with cars and traffic. I almost feel like it's a little safer at dusk since cars can actually see my turn signals, lol.

But I have a technical question, about engine braking. This thing has stronger engine braking (when letting off the throttle) than any other vehicle I've seen. At first I was stopping by using the clutch and the brake like they taught me in MSF course, but I realized it brakes much faster if I DON'T pull the clutch in. By the end of the ride I was doing it both ways, engine braking when I see the red light and then pulling in the clutch and using the real brake when I'm closer to the light. Is that how most of you do it? Is tons of engine braking bad for the engine's health over time?

>>28473542
you can do 105 you'll be fine. just hold on tight and lean forward

>>28473795
Opisit for me I ride 5-6 days a week and I ATGATT. I probably ride 10x more than anyone I know. I know an old man that still rides everyday and he wears a one piece dad suit everyday. Everyone that I know that rides in t-shirts are fair weather weekend warriors.

>>28473800
yeah you're a sex in the ass receiver-haver

>>28473792
Check it out I have the whole set. Every rc79 owner in the country begs me to sell this to them along with my genuine oem bar risers. I don’t use the bar risers, but I won’t sell them because if a vfr is too hardcore you meed to harden the fuck up

>>28473796
Its all luck. I know someone who went down in race leathers at 5mph and is fucked for life. I know squids who are invincible. I just wear an amount of gear that keeps me comfortable and doesn’t make me not want to ride out of inconvenience

>>28473800
>a strong foot planted on the floor in case you lose balance at a stop
By flat foot you mean both feet down right? You said it yourself: a (one) (an) (a single) strong foot
Just put one foot down. The only time I ever have both feet down is when I need leverage to haul this fat bike backwards up over the lip into my garage

>>28473810
Engine braking is good, and shouldn't hurt your engine, it's how I do most of my deceleration, but I'll normally at very least drag the rear brake make sure my lights come on.

>>28473810
>he doesnt hand signal
if your engine isn't tuned to the limits you will be fine. i clutchless downshift top to bottom on all my bikes, especially if they have drum brakes

>>28473820
T H I N N

>>28473810
>Rode for the first time for the street for real today, with cars and traffic.
Based

>I almost feel like it's a little safer at dusk since cars can actually see my turn signals, lol.
Its not, there will be cars without headlights, tired drivers and angry rushing drivers. Early morning is safest if you want that

>This thing has stronger engine braking (when letting off the throttle) than any other vehicle I've seen.
Thats because its so light. It foesnt have higher compression than your car, but being a 5th of the weight makes a huge difference. Its one of my favourite parts about riding motorcycles

>At first I was stopping by using the clutch and the brake like they taught me in MSF course, but I realized it brakes much faster if I DON'T pull the clutch in.
You are meant to pull the clutch in as you come to a stop, not while slowing. If you are slowing to a stop you need to be changing down the gears. Go between braking and downshifting while you are learning, ie
brake, 3rd, brake, 2nd, brake, clutch in, click 1st while stopped. Worry about rev matching and shit later

>By the end of the ride I was doing it both ways, engine braking when I see the red light and then pulling in the clutch and using the real brake when I'm closer to the light. Is that how most of you do it?
No

>Is tons of engine braking bad for the engine's health over time?
No, it absolutely loves it. You are getting the energy you spent as fuel back as braking, its free brakes

>>28473810
>safer at dusk since cars can actually see my turn signals
hoho haha hehe
NOPE

Cars barely see you during the day, make it a little darker and the people a little tireder and theyre gonna blast through you like an altima passes a school bus

>>28472675
Some find them comfortable. I size my apes at 14" + 2" risers which is common for those around 6'2". I did USAF MSF demos with them on my FXR and other bar styles on my other bikes. Not a problem whatever.

Cross-country was not an issue because not bar height but width and handgrip angle are most critical to comfort. My apes angles are fairly close to the XLX (looks like classic airhead BMW bars but 1" OD) bend bars I use on other bikes.

The only handle bars I find actively hostile are pullbacks because of their awkward wrist position. Ergos vary so much I suggest every rider sample a variety of bar and footpeg positions to find what fits their body and preferences. For example some stunters like motocross style bars (which are excellent for that).

>kiwi nonny came back to life
feels good

>>28473825
>Early morning is safest if you want that
WRONG
Greg and Julie on their way to their 9am start, who went to bed at 3.55am(because thats not 4am yet!) after doomscrolling for 5 hours havent had their starbucks mochafrochaniggachino yet, so they have 0 awareness, and dont you forget about Dale who's running 5mins late for school so has to drive 90 in a residential

>>28472926
A couple afternoons helping around the guy's shop, I'm the second owner. Pretty sure it chose me and it's my forever baiku now.

>>28473834
I’m only around when I have lots of paperwork to do at work, I have adhd so I would rather sit through the 2 min 4chan filter than do it. I’ll be gone for a couple of weeks after this thread probably

>>28473835
I mean actual early morning, I ride the gym before work at 5am. The open road is dead and the motorway is fast and chill. No cop niggers and the retard normie brakefags are still in bed

>>28472680
Fake and lame. Boomer here and every Boomer has had decades to learn intarweb survival skills including dummy accounts.

No one would know you did shit unless YOU chose to document it. Please never become a mechanic.

>>28473721
Good bike aside from the frame splitting in half under normal riding conditions. Yamaha tried to innovate, “LIGHTEST FRAME BRO!” Ended up making the most fragile frame on the planet that makes MV blush..

>>28473851
That’s what happens when you “partner” with chinks.

>>28473851
wtf is going on with trannyha and kuckasaki?

>>28473851
Track only!

>>28473815
ADV dads are an exception to this rule for sure. Once you buy a roadcrafter it becomes your default skin

>>28473818
>>28473828
Yeah I'm starting to realize I'll have to tap the brake a little before decelerating, to make sure drivers behind can see it. Though that brings up another issue, I'm pretty sure cars can see none of my lights during the day. I'm starting to feel like I might want to make hand gestures or something, lel.

>>28473825
Yeah I was worried about braking being an issue since I have only 1 front disc, rear drum, no ABS, but it feels reassuring so far, at least from 40-0 at stoplights on quiet roads. Sudden 60-0 on clogged semi-highways might be another story, I'm gonna hold off on those for now.

>>28473851
Not like this Yamasisters

>>28472988
I wear a jacket and a helmet and the rest is optional depending on the weather. My secret is, I don't ride like a retard.

>>28473838
Stellar score and quite a compliment by him!

Part-timing for my mentor was a great experience unfucking neglected and abused motorcycles. Learn all ya can and have fun.

>>28473851
>all new GRAVITY-CAST DELTABOX- FRAME
>GRAVITY CAST
Gravity casting for complicated parts never ends well. Shame bc I’ve been wanting Yamaha to do a super sport cp3 since 2015. Too bad they fumbled it, hard. Whose idea was it to use “gravity” casting anyways? Don’t those gooks know that this method isn’t suitable for mass producing strong parts?

>>28473851
I smell class action lawsuits

>>28473810
I do all three simultaneous when stopping almost all the time. Everything else it depends on the situation. I maintain the habit of using brakes for turns and stops regardless though.

>>28473851
Man i thought it wqs bad when the r7 needed 7 kickstarts
But now the r9 needs 9 gravity casts to finally hitter home
Gyat dayum trannyha, kys
Which is french for Keep Yourself Safe

>>28473859
hand signals and loud pipes maximizes your visibility. also looking cool will get you noticed and therefor safer. unless you lock eyes with an oncoming biker girl and target fixate into eachother

>>28473851
Saw an R9 today, glad I went with the duc and didn’t wait.

>>28473851
Shit happens. Is there an approved weld repair? I doubt that because liability but it would be interesting to know if one exists for details like filler metal.

>>28473886
Sexo

>>28472988
For armored shirt do a supershirt. Then you need nothing else

>>28473885
Yeah, I met a girl that rides and she told me to tell her when I get a bike.
But in my head it's like, yeah, I'll tell you as soon as I have enough skill to ride distracted and not immediately crash

>>28473851
The eu sabotaged the entire Yamaha lineup above piss twin. They want you to cuck to the piss twin. They destroyed the R9 so you would buy more piss twin. This is the future anon. We all knew this was coming. I knew.

>>28473815
Most riders I see don't have any gear on. Not even gloves

>>28472999
Checked. It wasn't always like this though, when I got it a few years ago a lot of people didn't care or thought it was an old stinky piece of shit. Well yeah, but I love it
Now it's vogue I guess

>>28472684
If you disconnected the fuel hose to the carb and got no flow when cranking the engine, what happens if you bypass the vacuum shutoff valve and suck direct? Is the vacuum fuel valve the only fuel shutoff in the system?

A disposably cheap hand vacuum pump is about 20 bucks and very nice to have troubleshooting vacuum-operated fuel system components.

>>28473915
Elsie never went away.

>>28473915
They were certainly in vogue in Europe when they came out. Many G.I.s bought them often having ridden their air-cooled predecessors in CONUS.

>>28473921
>>28473923
I don't think this particular model came to my country though. I know the TZR 250 came but I'm unsure if any RD was sold here. Probably much more common in Italy and Spain

Gonna go look at a Dyna tomorrow, guy has it listed for $5900. If I can get him down to $5k even I'm taking it, wish me luck fuckers.

>>28473964
Good luck bro!

MIGRATE

>>28472669
>>28472669
>>28472669

MIGRATE

>>28473627
Does a low side during parking lot practice trying to drag knee count? I went into it knowing it was a possibility and it happened. Only time I fucked up. I was able to fix the fairing pretty good, though, and PO had put it down before, so wasn't a big deal.

>>28472680
Start shilling for Honders instead. Honder shilling is accepted and encouraged. I do it for free, you are atleast getting paid.

>>28473808
Too much throttle 100%

>>28473571
Thank you anon. I need a miracle right now.

Two for two on bad Moto Guzzi's.
Any other anons into old bike resto?

>>28473791
He either got surprised by the turn tightening, and/or he doesn't know how to trailbrake.

>>28472670
What kinda Harley is that anyway?

>>28472815
>It's very common to fuck up your arms/hands trying to catch yourself from a fall at speed.
Yes retarded people do that. Everyone else just tucks in for the fall and hope they come out alive with no issues or just die.
You could have the nicest fall ever, only to stand up and get rekt by some fag in a prius who never saw the accident to begin with.

>>28473000
It'll take you another 5y to clean all the jew cum off your ass.

>>28472719
I did the same with another Fox Creek, then got too fat so time for a second.

>>28472785
Everyone has different ergonomics. Modify that shit to get what fits you.

>>28473939
Could be. They were common in West Germany.

It's neat how many LC family parts were used in Banshee.

https://www.bansheehq.com/forums/topic/136288-rd350banshee-engine/

>>28473964
Evo or Twinkie? What year? Accessories?

5K could be reasonable if it's in good shape. People hate seeing money walk away.

>>28477020
It was an 88 twin cam, I was 2nd in line so the other guy bought it before I could take a look. I asked the seller how much he sold it for just to get a better feel for prices. He actually said $4300, which I believe since he told me he has some other bikes for sale so he has no reason to artificially depress the market. Then again I never got a chance to see the bike, the pictures didn't show a lot so maybe it really wasn't even worth $5k.