Thread 28473400

Why are they like this?

>>28473400 (OP)
How else are they going to boil you dog?

>>28473400 (OP)
why not just send burning evs straight into a mobile crusher? it'd briefly accelerate the exploding rate but it's many of tons of steel, it couldn't care less about that, and once out of the crusher the smoldering remains would be scrambled, much more inert and easy to smother.

>>28473491
Because EVs would melt straight through that crusher and leave it burning for days.

>>28473400 (OP)
why are they like this?

>>28473500
This has been debunked. Why do you lie on the internet?

why dont they have EV firefighting techniques yet?
cooling it with water helps, but they can just dump sand on it too

>>28473502
What a cope

>>28473513
You got caught lying lmao

>>28473516
Lithium fires are accelerated with water, dipshit. That's the point of the video.
There are more ICE cars, and people never check for bird and rodent nests under their hood, so it isn't surprising there are more.
You can put out a gasoline fire with water. Can you not see the difference?

https://www.dulaneylauerthomas.com/library/blazing-engines-how-vehicles-can-catch-on-fire.cfm

>Ignition of flammable liquids. The leading cause of vehicle fires occurs when flammable liquids such as gasoline and oil accidentally ignite from a spark, an overheated engine, or a hot exhaust.

>Fume ignition. Many flammable liquids are known to be volatile, which means they evaporate easily. These fumes and vapors themselves can also be extremely flammable. Even if your gas tank isn’t leaking, the fumes from the tank alone may be enough to create a flame large enough to travel back to the tank and ignite the fuel. Likewise, oil vapors in your engine are specifically designed to ignite with the help of your engine’s spark plugs. If that ignition isn’t controlled or too much vapor is expelled, an explosion could result.

Another oil leak that kills the eco system and is paid by the tax payers. That petrol ends up in fish that we then eat. The petrol industry is poisoning us.

>>28473526
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Powering cars is only a fraction of what we use crude oil for - and a lot is used to make electricity.

https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts/oil-spills

>Large oil spills are major, dangerous disasters. These tend to happen when pipelines break, big oil tanker ships sink, or drilling operations go wrong. Consequences to ecosystems and economies can be felt for decades following a large oil spill.

Where the oil is spilled, what kinds of plants, animals, and habitats are found there, and the amount and type of oil, among other things, can influence how much harm an oil spill causes. Generally, oil spills harm ocean life in two ways:

>Fouling or oiling: Fouling or oiling occurs when oil physically harms a plant or animal. Oil can coat a bird’s wings and leave it unable to fly or strip away the insulating properties of a sea otter’s fur, putting it at risk of hypothermia. The degree of oiling often impacts the animal’s chances of survival.

Oil toxicity: Oil consists of many different toxic compounds. These toxic compounds can cause severe health problems like heart damage, stunted growth, immune system effects, and even death. Our understanding of oil toxicity has expanded by studying the effects of the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

>Wildlife recovery, cleaning, and rehabilitation is often an important part of oil spill response. However wildlife is difficult to find and catch, oil spills can happen over wide areas, and some animals (like whales) are too big to recover. Unfortunately, it’s unrealistic to rescue all wildlife impacted during oil spills.

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>>28473533
Where do you think you are, faggot? Go glue yourself to the asphalt with your other gay faggot friends.

>>28473531
A fraction of electricity generated in EU is by oil. 2/3rds are by renewable sources. Why are ICE Pajeets so full of shit?

>>28473533
Roads, electricity, plastics, plane fuel, ship fuel, cosmetics, you name it - it takes oil.

What are the largest marine oil spills in American history?

>There are three oil spills that stand out in American history, each of which was the largest oil spill into American waterways at the time. In 1969, a blowout on an offshore platform off the coast of Santa Barbara, California, spilled over four million gallons of oil. In 1989, the Exxon Valdez oil tanker ran aground in the Prince William Sound in Alaska, spilling over 11 million gallons of oil.

The largest marine oil spill in all of U.S. history was the Deepwater Horizon spill. On April 20, 2010, an explosion occurred on the Deepwater Horizon drilling platform in the Gulf of America, killing 11 people. Before it was capped three months later, approximately 134 million gallons of oil had spilled into the ocean. That is equivalent to the volume of over 200 Olympic-sized swimming pools. An $8.8 billion settlement for restoration was reached in 2016, and restoration is still continuing today.

>>28473536
Natural gas is the 2nd biggest source of electricity behind coal. Natural gas is a byproduct of crude extraction.

https://witricity.com/media/blog/ev-vs-ice-surprising-differences

Worried about getting stuck in the snow? If you’re driving an EV, there’s good news! ICE vehicles heat their cabins with waste heat generated from the engine’s moving parts, which means you’ll need to idle the engine to stay warm – burning fuel. In contrast, EV batteries don’t need to run the engine if you are stranded. Just the heat, so the car battery uses less than a couple of kilowatt-hours (kWh) of battery power each hour to keep you toasty – and that can last a long, long time.

>>28473543
What's your point, do you really believe that buying a pod run on vape batteries is going to change a damn thing? Cars aren't the problem here.

>>28473544
Natural gas > oil

>>28473550
We extract natural gas from oil. It's part of what comes out of the top of the fractional distillation / fractionation column.

>>28473547
The ability to provide power back to the grid using vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technology is already available for some electric vehicles, with more on the way. That capability isn’t available at all with traditional ICE vehicles. Why does that matter? At any given time 95% of cars are parked and their energy sits unused. V2G technology allows those cars to send some of the stored power to the grid if there is a demand spike.

EVs can provide power to help balance grid loads by allowing charging at night, for example, when demand is low, and sending power to the grid during the afternoon when demand is high. Peak load leveling keeps voltage and frequency stable, so utilities don’t need to build as many power plants to meet peak demand, and homes/businesses have power during power outages – and a lower electric bill to boot.

When it comes to the advantages of EV vs ICE for external power, electric vehicles have a distinct advantage over their combustion cousins

>>28473552
To clarify, because you'll just chatgbg it, most natural gas is extracted alongside crude, we don't get much from crude distillation.
You know the whole fracking and deepwater drilling thing? That's for natural gas.

>>28473554
Waste not, want not: EV vs ICE fuel efficiency

Did you know that ICE vehicles waste about 80% of the energy in their fuel? Most of the energy is consumed by the heat produced in the engine. Other energy inefficiencies stem from pumps and fans cooling the engine, mechanical friction within the transmission and drivetrain, and auxiliary electrical components such as heated seats, lights, and audio system. In fact, for every dollar spent on gasoline, only 20 cents of it is used to move an ICE vehicle along the road. EVs, however, operate at about 87% - 91% efficiency – in part due to regenerative braking, which recaptures energy that would otherwise get lost as heat from friction.1

>>28473557
Did you know that EVs just store energy made in a power plant that wastes over half of its energy before turning an EV's wheels?

https://pluginamerica.org/learn/ev-safety/

Experts conclude that EVs are just as safe or safer than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles and are less prone to fires and rollover crashes.

Rigorous safety testing
EVs generally perform better than ICE vehicles in crash tests and score overall higher ratings from the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS)
All passenger vehicles, including EVs, sold in the U.S. must meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and must undergo an extensive, long-established testing process.
EV battery packs must go through additional testing.

>>28473559
Battery durability

Battery packs are in sealed shells and are tested for conditions such as overcharge, vibration, extreme temperatures, short circuit, humidity, fire, collision, and water immersion.

EVs are designed with additional safety features that shut down the electrical system when they detect a collision or short circuit.

Because batteries are generally placed widely within the frame along the bottom of the vehicle, EVs tend to have a lower center of gravity than conventional vehicles, making them more stable and less likely to roll over.

Batteries are also unlikely to be damaged in all but the most severe crashes. The EV battery can only be damaged if the car’s steel frame itself is damaged.

>>28473563
Less prone to fires than ICE

EVs catch fire much less often than ICE vehicles—they are about 60 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. ICE vehicle fires are extremely common in the U.S. They are estimated to happen 500–600 times on average every day.

Because batteries are protected by the car’s frame, they generally will only ignite in the most severe crashes.

In the rare situations when EV batteries ignite, they can be more difficult to extinguish, although they do not explode like gasoline fires.

The National Fire Protection Association has EV fire safety protocols and training resources available to guide first responders.

>>28473563
Less maintenance than ICE vehicles

The battery, motor, and associated electronics require little to no regular maintenance.

There are fewer fluids, such as engine oil, that require regular maintenance.

Brake wear is significantly reduced due to regenerative braking.

There are far fewer moving parts relative to a conventional gasoline engine.

Consumer Reports estimates that maintenance costs are 50% less for EVs than ICE cars.

>>28473558
Oh no half of the solar power extracted was wasted oh my Goooood

>>28473547
>winter
Funny you say that lmao

>>28473573
Have you ever looked at how much energy generative AI uses? On that note, how about digital currency?

https://ev-lectron.com/blogs/blog/ev-fires-vs-ice-fires-safety-comparison-and-analysis

All vehicles, whether powered by gas, diesel, or electricity, carry energy that can ignite under certain conditions. Fires require three elements to occur: fuel, an oxidant (typically air), and a source of ignition.

In ICE vehicles, hot surfaces, leaking fuel lines, and sparking electrical systems are common ignition sources. For electric cars, battery fires—often caused by thermal runaway or electrical failures—are the main concern.

EVs use lithium-ion batteries with an energy density of around 0.3 kWh/kg. Gasoline, by comparison, has an energy density of roughly 13 kWh/kg. That means ICE vehicles, including diesel cars, store nearly nine times more potential energy than EVs. When ICE cars catch fire, the results can be catastrophic, especially given the volatility of gasoline.

>>28473554
>grid
Kek

>>28473557
Enjoy the queue

>>28473582
Frequency: Are EV Fires More Likely?

One of the most widespread myths is that electric vehicle fires happen more often than ICE vehicle fires. According to the National Transportation Safety Board and recent AI Overview findings, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency further supports this: only 23 fires occurred among 611,000 electric cars—an incident rate of just 0.004%, compared to 0.08% for ICE vehicles.

So why the panic? EV fires are newer, more dramatic, and harder to extinguish, making them headline-worthy even though they are much rarer.

Despite this data, EV fires receive more public and media attention because they are new, less understood, and often more dramatic due to battery chemistry. The visual intensity and the challenge of extinguishing an EV fire, especially when reignition occurs, can contribute to a heightened perception of risk. However, the reality is that most fires occur in older, poorly maintained ICE vehicles, and the actual frequency of electric vehicle fires remains very low compared to other vehicle types.

>>28473400 (OP)
EVChuds won bud. Enjoy your gas prices next week :)

>>28473575
see
>>28473544
More than half, maybe over 2/3rds depending, of electricity made from fossil fuels is lost before powering a heavy ass EV, and over half of electricity is made from burning fossil fuels.
Cars are not the problem, you aren't a real environmentalist but someone who reads articles written by lib arts dropouts.

>>28473559
>burns down your home tho
Nothing personal

>>28473575
Solar panels have an expiry date and will contaminate more than the co2 they saved once they die

>>28473563
Don't get caught in the rain though
Kek

>>28473526
based if true

>>28473593
>and over half of electricity is made from burning fossil fuels.
Demonstrably false in EU atleast>>28473536

>>28473597
Sure they will bud

>>28473567
>source: trust me bro
>meanwhile irl

>>28473573
>That'll be 28k plus tip

>>28473582
>100% of gasoline cars spontaneously ignite at home and try to murder your family
Lol
Lmao

>>28473601
I don't care, most electricity is from fossil fuels. France literally has actual slave towns in other countries to get their nuclear number up. Picrel is the real issue and I don't understand why nobody sees this.

https://roborace.com/evs-vs-conventional-cars-safety/

EVs are safer and less likely to flip and/or explode in crashes.

>>28473588
uh oh

>>28473526
What kind of faggot eats fish?

>>28473609
>2021
>Pajeet now claims 100% of EVs spontaneously ignite

This insecure third world shitposting is too much

The sole purpose of manufacturing EVs is to permanently restrict the movement of the citizenry

>>28473592
Enjoy your write off EV tranny lmfao

>>28473620
>cheaper movement means restriction of movement
????

>>28473618
What's wrong xister?

>>28473500
Calling you out a liar really hurt you, didn't it?

Keep dump your cherrypicked shots as all the real world data disagrees, little Pajeet shitposter.

>>28473620
This

>>28473624
Picrel cope

How many of these ICE vehicle fires are caused by faulty electrical wiring? Once again proving that the electrical system is the faulty culprit. Those should be marked in a separate category as caused by electrical fault.

>>28473630
Cope more, tranny. I'm white and you're absolutely SEETHING since I caught you lying. Now you're SEETHING so much you can't even reply anymore lmao..
Absolutely and utterly BTFO.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-21/evs-are-much-lower-emitting-than-combustion-cars

My BloombergNEF colleague Corey Cantor just published a detailed report on the lifecycle emissions of electric vehicles, looking at everything from average battery pack sizes by region, battery manufacturing emissions, current and projected electricity-generation emissions, day- and night-time charging trends, and more.

Corey comes to the same conclusion that virtually all other independent studies have: EVs have lower lifecycle emissions than their internal combustion counterparts.

>>28473495
lithium fires can't melt steel beams

>>28473635
This post reeks of third world cope lmao. Nobody will take your 2005 BMW away little poo stain.

>>28473637
I hate EVs, but
>(((BloombergNEF)))
>(((Corey Cantor)))
>(((You)))

>>28473637
This doesn’t mean no emissions. Both the manufacturing of batteries and the usage of vehicles add significant emissions over their lifecycles. But even in places like China, where coal still plays a large role in power generation, EVs have lower emissions overall. The reduction is around 27% there, compared to 71% lower in a market like the UK, where coal has been mostly pushed out of the generation mix.

Another way to think about this is in terms of payback time for the emissions incurred from manufacturing the battery. In a market like the US, an EV becomes a cleaner option after about 25,000 miles of driving, which is about 2.2 years for the average US vehicle.

The power sector is changing rapidly, with more clean generation capacity being added to the grid. This means that by 2030, the breakeven point will have moved up significantly in all regions. An EV made in the US in 2030 will be lower-emitting after a year of driving, while in China, it will be after just over four years, based on current trends. Battery recycling eventually will push EV emissions down even further, as will localizing battery production closer to demand centers.

>>28473631
a thing like picrel could happen on a modern ice car as well, ice cars have been reliant on ecus for like two decades already
you are confusing "ev" with "modern car", an ev from 15 years ago wasn't any more "technologically advanced" than an ice car today, the propulsion method doesn't matter at all.

>>28473647
All this adds up to an important point when it comes to gaming out long-term national emissions-reductions plans: Whereas the emissions profile of an internal combustion vehicle is locked in when it rolls off the line, EVs can keep getting cleaner over time. Given how long vehicles last, concurrent decarbonization of the power sector and electrification of the transport sector are among the only ways to keep emissions on track for any of the targets governments have set for the coming decades.

Every few years, a new study pops up that makes a counter claim on this topic, stating that EVs actually have higher emissions, but these claims rarely stand up to scrutiny. They typically rely on outdated information about how fast the power sector is changing, old battery manufacturing data, or artificially low total vehicle mileage assumptions. Academic studies also sometimes match EVs with what’s referred to as the marginal generation source (often coal), which makes them look worse, but there’s good reason to be skeptical of this approach.

Some studies also compare different classes of vehicles to make things look worse for EVs, comparing a pickup truck to a subcompact, for example. Smaller cars are definitely better than larger ones, from an emissions point of view, but the car buyer who walks onto the dealer lot to buy a Ford F-150 was never going to be talked into a Honda Civic.

>>28473655
Another interesting finding from the study was the degree of difference between emissions from charging during the day and at night, and how that’s set to change. Many electric utilities today offer time-of-use tariffs that effectively push charging to night-time hours. But as solar generation rises quickly in most markets, it’s making daytime EV charging attractive from both an emissions and economic point of view, as power prices are pushed lower during these hours.

One final caveat to all vehicle lifecycle emissions work is that most studies (including BNEF’s) don’t include emissions from refining and distributing gasoline and diesel.

These fuels don’t just appear at the pump, and anybody who has driven by an oil refinery can see the vast scale of our current energy infrastructure. This is a tricky area to pin down, but global refinery emissions are somewhere around 1.4 gigatons of CO2 annually. That’s a few percent of global CO2 emissions, and while not all of that ought to be attributed to road fuels, a sizeable portion definitely should.

>>28473647
Look at this faggot rant about how much he wants you to buy a product.
~15% of all global greenhouse gas emissions come from transportation which includes commercial trucks, planes, cargo ships, and cruise ships. But cars - that's the problem!
That hippie chick from high school isn't going to sleep with you just because you ranted about how great batteries are online.

>>28473637
Nobody cares about muh planet, hippie.

>>28473642
Cope and seethe, tranny. I'm white and drive a Mazda. By the way, where's your car? :^)

>>28473655
>>28473658
TL;DR EV go boom

>>28473668
>>28473664
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>>28473661
This little brown kid is in tears

>>28473680
So no car then? >>>/n/
LMAO imagine getting this BTFO

>>28473543
>200 Olympic-sized swimming pools
that's all? doesn't really seem worth all the hysteria.

>gets caught lying
>throws tantrum
>gets asked to post car
>disappears
Absolute state of EV shills.

>is a third-world shitskin
>gets mad when people stop respond to his schizo ass

>>28473716
You got BTFO hard kid :)

>>28473650
An ECU doesn’t require a software update to function and doesn’t have a remote kill switch
Cope harder

>>28473631
>A transphobic thought has been detected in your mind. Report to your local Commissioner of Truth for your fine schedule and estimated date of vehicle privilege reinstatement.

>>28473735
you don't fucking get it do you?
the fact that up until now the ecu in your ice car doesn't have a remote kill switch or the ability to receive ota updates connected with the rest of the infotainment system doesn't mean it won't be the case in the future, I bet some of the fancier ice cars around already have shit like this.
does your ice car run with no issues if the ecu gets disconnected from the engine? no, in most cases it won't even start, the entire thing relies on a computer to work just as much as an ev does.

>>28473752
This is a third-world poorfag cope thread. Don't bother.

why do you trannies hate EVs so much?
Elon won, get over it and embrace the future.

>>28473500
You're not a real racist if you don't look at the per capita statistics

>>28473765
>>28473872
Lol cope more please

>>28473526
Don't look into how many kinds of plastic is made with petroleum products.

>>28473400 (OP)
>elon fianlly snaps
>sends a transmission to white house
>"if you wont give me 1 MILLION dollars i will explode every tesla in US!"

>>28473522
what should they use then lmao fucking giga acid? uranium mixed with lead?

>>28474134
>Thousands of fire hydrants throughout city
>Complex underground water supply system with specific building code requirements for spacing, pipe diameter, water pressure, etc
>This has been a well established system for decades
>FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE JUST LAZY WE NEED TO TEAR UP THE ROADS AND PUT IN NEW PIPING AND HYDRANTS EVERYWHERE FOR CHEMICAL FOAM EXTINGUISHERS
you are a naive retard

>>28474421
And when does the gearbox come into play?

>>28473668
I like how the idiot ev driver parked next to the concrete bridge pillar to maximize collateral damage.

>>28473752
Imagine not having multiple pre ecm vehicles around for when the shit hits the fan...

>>28473606
See that's the issue right there you don't even own the car.
>inb4 yeah but you could say the same about any modern car
You could also build your own ICE car but I don't think we have the tech to make our own custom EV's reliability. I'm playing the waiting game for that but uhh I hope that EV defender anon enjoys his mandatory subscription fee.

>>28473526
not my problem, fuck nature, I will be dead in 50years, you think anyone gives a fuck about the future cucks?

>>28473500
>source: just trust me bro

>>28473500
Honestly the stat I'm interested in is cars caught on fire that doesn't involve a car accident.
e.g. Cars that catch on fire spontaneously, while driving, and catch fire while refueling/charging.

>>28473526
As opposed to the hundreds of lithium mines and child/slave labor polluting Africa to only be sent on a giant ship burning fossil fuel to be processed in China that is a polluted hellscape to then ship it on another giant ship to be sent to the West all the while the battery can spontaneously combust sending more toxic fumes in the air? Fucking retard.

>>28478228
>muh child murdering caves in Africa!!!
Every time you cocksuckers cry about Africans, it's only ever in this conversation and never with a source. In any other conversation, you call them subhuman niggers. Be honest, you don't give a single shit about worker conditions in Africa.

>>28473612
The real issue is it's not the right kind of people reproducing.

Super genius spergs have been having .5 kids since the mandatory wife program ended in the 1950s.

>>28473500
>>28478249
Better to ship the joggers back to a livable environment imo. But this whole "you dont care" projection is so typical of chinks "y-you defended yourself against Indians so that means we get to commit genocide against Uyghurs and Tibetans!" I can't for the day when your datacenter is wiped out and you get your head stuck on a bike outside as a warning to the rest of the hive. I'll to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, just like this

>>28473500
Kek I know the basis of that meme. No, you can't just slide in by using it against your self. Kike.

>>28473535
Not actually a tenable argument.

>>28473500
Its not about the number of fires, but how bad a fire is and how hard its put it down, i think OPs video made that pretty clear retard

>>28473536
unrelated to everything else itt, I always hated these shifting graphs because it's difficult to gauge what % anything is along the axis at the bottom. I would prefer individual bars for each threshold (in this case decade or half decade I suppose) with clearly labeled percentages for each category, connecting them with dotted lines for legibility if required.