With the price of fuel quadrupling due to events, and the imminent ICEV bans, what will the poorfags who can't even afford a M3 tessie do?

Continue driving my 80s gas guzzling shitbox?

>>28474363
>ICEV bans
>Continue ICEV
Low IQ post.
Try and think more clearly, then you will be able to afford a good car, that isnt banned

>>28474360 (OP)
Used Tessie M3s are going for 20K. They will hit $10K in the next 5 years.

>>28474368

so who exactly will ban combustion engines ?

>>28474368
Well they banned EVs due to fire hazards, so...

>>28474360 (OP)
>$28k plus tip
no refunds

>>28474360 (OP)
>>28474368
There is no ICEV ban happening for a long time. Just a ban on new ICEVs.

>>28474424
Battery replacements are free.

>>28474476
>free
cope tranners

>>28474477
They're free. 100,000 miles 8 years. That's longer than the time between buying new cars. Also Teslas don't use transmissions.

>>28474494
Pay up

>>28474494
Then why do teslas have transmission oil and filters?

>>28474494
Technically they do have a "transmission" but it's a single speed.

>>28474360 (OP)
>and the imminent ICEV bans
Who's going to stop me? The police in their EVs? I don't even need to go on a high speed chase, I could just drive 100 miles and leave them in my dust. Then what? They send a tow truck to pick up the cop car and now the tow truck doesn't have enough electricity to get my vehicle? And then what/ Theres a battery fire and the electric fire truck can't get there in time and I just keep cruisin? lmao EVs are useless toys.

>>28474424
>I can't access the ownership to sell it.
Sorry, what?

>>28474503
Because moving parts still need lubrication? Are you stupid?

>>28474508
Wasn't it a 3 speed? Like reverse, forward and an overdrive if memory serves. They also had a parking prawl if I remember correctly.
>>28474512
What moving parts? It wasn't supposed to have a transmission, so what's there to move? The electric motors are dry, are they not?

>>28474515
your memory does not serve

>>28474500
Nah, it's covered by you thanks to the warranty.

https://ev-lectron.com/blogs/blog/ev-fires-vs-ice-fires-safety-comparison-and-analysis

All vehicles, whether powered by gas, diesel, or electricity, carry energy that can ignite under certain conditions. Fires require three elements to occur: fuel, an oxidant (typically air), and a source of ignition.

>In ICE vehicles, hot surfaces, leaking fuel lines, and sparking electrical systems are common ignition sources. For electric cars, battery fires—often caused by thermal runaway or electrical failures—are the main concern.

EVs use lithium-ion batteries with an energy density of around 0.3 kWh/kg. Gasoline, by comparison, has an energy density of roughly 13 kWh/kg. That means ICE vehicles, including diesel cars, store nearly nine times more potential energy than EVs. When ICE cars catch fire, the results can be catastrophic, especially given the volatility of gasoline.

>One of the most widespread myths is that electric vehicle fires happen more often than ICE vehicle fires. According to the National Transportation Safety Board and recent AI Overview findings, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency further supports this: only 23 fires occurred among 611,000 electric cars—an incident rate of just 0.004%, compared to 0.08% for ICE vehicles.

>So why the panic? EV fires are newer, more dramatic, and harder to extinguish, making them headline-worthy even though they are much rarer.

Despite this data, EV fires receive more public and media attention because they are new, less understood, and often more dramatic due to battery chemistry. The visual intensity and the challenge of extinguishing an EV fire, especially when reignition occurs, can contribute to a heightened perception of risk. However, the reality is that most fires occur in older, poorly maintained ICE vehicles, and the actual frequency of electric vehicle fires remains very low compared to other vehicle types.

https://pluginamerica.org/learn/ev-safety/

Experts conclude that EVs are just as safe or safer than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles and are less prone to fires and rollover crashes.

>EVs generally perform better than ICE vehicles in crash tests and score overall higher ratings from the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS)
All passenger vehicles, including EVs, sold in the U.S. must meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and must undergo an extensive, long-established testing process.
EV battery packs must go through additional testing.

>Battery packs are in sealed shells and are tested for conditions such as overcharge, vibration, extreme temperatures, short circuit, humidity, fire, collision, and water immersion.

EVs are designed with additional safety features that shut down the electrical system when they detect a collision or short circuit.

>Because batteries are generally placed widely within the frame along the bottom of the vehicle, EVs tend to have a lower center of gravity than conventional vehicles, making them more stable and less likely to roll over.

Batteries are also unlikely to be damaged in all but the most severe crashes. The EV battery can only be damaged if the car’s steel frame itself is damaged.

>EVs catch fire much less often than ICE vehicles—they are about 60 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. ICE vehicle fires are extremely common in the U.S. They are estimated to happen 500–600 times on average every day.

Because batteries are protected by the car’s frame, they generally will only ignite in the most severe crashes.

>In the rare situations when EV batteries ignite, they can be more difficult to extinguish, although they do not explode like gasoline fires.

The National Fire Protection Association has EV fire safety protocols and training resources available to guide first responders.

>>28474566
Less maintenance than ICE vehicles

The battery, motor, and associated electronics require little to no regular maintenance.

There are fewer fluids, such as engine oil, that require regular maintenance.

Brake wear is significantly reduced due to regenerative braking.

There are far fewer moving parts relative to a conventional gasoline engine.

Consumer Reports estimates that maintenance costs are 50% less for EVs than ICE cars.

>>28474563
Didn't get BTFO enough yesterday? Back lying? Okay here we go again....

>>28474566

>>28474568
no refunds

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-21/evs-are-much-lower-emitting-than-combustion-cars

My BloombergNEF colleague Corey Cantor just published a detailed report on the lifecycle emissions of electric vehicles, looking at everything from average battery pack sizes by region, battery manufacturing emissions, current and projected electricity-generation emissions, day- and night-time charging trends, and more.

Corey comes to the same conclusion that virtually all other independent studies have: EVs have lower lifecycle emissions than their internal combustion counterparts.

Even in places like China, where coal still plays a large role in power generation, EVs have lower emissions overall. The reduction is around 27% there, compared to 71% lower in a market like the UK, where coal has been mostly pushed out of the generation mix. In a market like the US, an EV becomes a cleaner option after about 25,000 miles of driving, which is about 2.2 years for the average US vehicle.

The power sector is changing rapidly, with more clean generation capacity being added to the grid. This means that by 2030, the breakeven point will have moved up significantly in all regions. An EV made in the US in 2030 will be lower-emitting after a year of driving, while in China, it will be after just over four years, based on current trends. Battery recycling eventually will push EV emissions down even further, as will localizing battery production closer to demand centers.

One final caveat to all vehicle lifecycle emissions work is that most studies (including BNEF’s) don’t include emissions from refining and distributing gasoline and diesel.

These fuels don’t just appear at the pump, and anybody who has driven by an oil refinery can see the vast scale of our current energy infrastructure. This is a tricky area to pin down, but global refinery emissions are somewhere around 1.4 gigatons of CO2 annually. That’s a few percent of global CO2 emissions.

>>28474578
>>28474576
>>28474575
I love baiting out the cherrypicking third-world BMW mongrel.

>>28474580
uh oh

>>28474582
I'm white and drive a Mazda, as we have established last thread.
Still waiting for you to tell us what you drive, tranners.

>>28474585
>I drive a Mazda
Of course, the Miata Pajeet shills. Never buying your dead brand, shill.

>>28474589
Seethe harder nocar tranny, I'm white and have a car, unlike you.
Come on, post your white hand on the dashboard of your car.

i associate teslas with indians so i'd never buy one

>>28474592
You first, Pajeet Miata shill.

Enjoy your dead brand. Even more irrelevant than Nissan.

>>28474599
>no u
I knew it, you don't have a car. You got BTFO twice already, aren't you tired of losing?
>>>/n/

>>28474582
>every place that's better than where I live is third world!!
Kek cry pussy

>>28474603
california is third world thoughbeit

>>28474596
Injuns, chanks, and old white NERDS are all i see in these Ugly, Slow, GAY pikachu MONSTER TRUCK bullshits

>>28474605
See >>28474603 again

>>28474602
Never buying into your dead brand, Pajeet shill. Fuck off back to your Miata general.

>>28474610
Of course you're not buying, you're poor and take the bus lol...

>>28474609
california is still third world, pajeet, especially with you there.
tell your boss porschejeet to put my sub in the bag

>>28474611
The more reaction images, the more Pajeet Mazda shill tears.

>>28474613
i don't even think mazda sells in india that's suzuki you're thinking of

>>28474613
SEETHE more how I caught you lying and BTFO you twice cuck

>>28474618
You really are third-worlder. Just post hand already and get it over with.

>>28474619
>no u
We all know you're brown, gay, and cannot afford a car lmfao..

>>28474612

https://www.greencars.com/news/what-are-2025s-most-satisfying-evs-to-own

Research firms track customer satisfaction in a variety of categories, but some have become especially focused on the auto industry. An annual survey tracks the satisfaction of owners immediately after purchase right through to several years later. Some of this research even targets electric vehicles. In a recent survey, owners of EVs were said to be happier with their vehicles than owners of gasoline-powered cars.

>Battery-electric vehicles now represent over 9 percent of the overall new car market in the U.S., up from 8.4 percent the year prior, the growth in market share is fueled by a larger number of EVs available in multiple segments. Many of the new entries to the market are more affordable, mass-market EVs, and owners reportedly absolutely love them.

In a recent survey of over 6,000 electric vehicle owners, and from mainstream brands, the Hyundai Ioniq 6 was ranked as the most satisfying EV to own.
Hot on the heels of the Ioniq 6 was its platform relative, the Kia EV6, Chevrolet Equinox EV SUV; the Hyundai Ioniq 5; and the Chevrolet Blazer EV. Rounding out the top 10 were the Kia EV9 three-row SUV; compact Hyundai Kona EV; the Ford Mustang Mach-E; Subaru Solterra; and Kia Niro EV. The

>The EV survey also showed that electric car owners have a strong intent to stick to electric for their next vehicle. Indeed, 94 percent of EV owners are likely to consider purchasing another EV for their next vehicle, a rate that’s also matched by first-time EV buyers. Only 12 percent of EV owners said they were likely to consider replacing their electric car with a gasoline-powered one.

>>28474655
>look another satisfied ex-house owner!
You will never own a car.

>>28474658
>Faiz Siddiqui
That your brother?

https://www.zenith.co.uk/news/satisfaction-levels-amongst-the-uks-ev-drivers-are-overwhelmingly-high/

Zenith, the UK’s leading independent leasing fleet management and vehicle outsourcing company, has today launched the Zenith EVXperience (EVX) Report: the largest ever survey of UK electric vehicle (EV) drivers looking at their actual lived experience of driving an EV.

The EVX report, which surveyed over 3,100 of Zenith’s EV customers, found that EV drivers are overwhelmingly satisfied with their experience across six Key Experience Indicators (KEIs).1

Equivalent questions were also asked to a separate sample of petrol and diesel drivers – revealing that EV drivers are much more satisfied with their driving experience than petrol or diesel drivers across every KEI. Overall, the satisfaction level amongst all KEIs for EV drivers came to a ‘highly satisfied’ 8.4/10, compared to 7.0/10 for petrol and diesel drivers.

The most significant differences come down to cost, with EV drivers rating the cost of running their vehicle 8.5/10, compared to 5.8/10 for petrol or diesel drivers.

Whilst environmental motivations often dominate the headlines for encouraging EV uptake, the survey revealed that cost savings are actually the biggest motivating factor for EV drivers.

Almost half (47%) of company car drivers and almost a third (31%) of salary sacrifice drivers said that cost savings were the best thing about the EV experience, citing the government’s support of Benefit-in-Kind tax (BiK) as the number one point.

For those with a personal lease vehicle, 30% said that low running costs were the best thing about the experience.

>>28474382
>so who exactly will ban combustion engines ?
Price of the gas.
Even right now if you have place to charge and still don't drive EV as daily you're just stupid.

>>28474665
Still waiting for your car, tranners.

>>28474360 (OP)
>With the price of fuel quadrupling due to events
Gas prices have been averaging lower than ever in the past 3 years
>b-b-but Iran
Majority of oil from the middle east comes from Saudis, Iraq, and UAE
>b-b-b-but the Strait of Hormuz
Even China stepped in to tell Iran to sit the fuck down. Nobody in the middle east sides with Iran, it's bad for business and they are a bunch of shittalking retards that get slapped every decade.

>>28474674
uhhhh xister?

>>28474494
>100,000 miles 8 years
or 8 years
This is fine for commuters that don't drive. I already have 30k miles on my car after 1 1/2 years.

>>28474723
You're far more likely to die in a horrible fire death in an ICE than EV.>>28474563
>Data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency further supports this: only 23 fires occurred among 611,000 electric cars—an incident rate of just 0.004%, compared to 0.08% for ICE vehicles.

And this isn't even mentioning the fact that ICE cars EXPLODE.

>>28474739
>EXPLODE
lol
lmao

>>28474747
>same gif posted a hundred times
Meanwhile I can go to Youtube and find more horrible ICE car explosions in a week than you will find in a decade for EVs.

Why is this Pajeet Mazda shill so insecure? Is the Miata general dead again?

>>28474718
>>28474723
>>28474747
This poster is somehow not a third-worlder? Ok.

>>28474752
Meanwhile gas cars still don't spontaneously explode so cope and seethe

>>28474756
post hand
post car
ywnbaw

>>28474767
>Meanwhile gas cars still don't spontaneously explode
How retarded?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/24/business/nissan-suv-driveway-explosion

>>28474757
see >>28474769 and cope

>>28474769
>no hand
>saved from 4chan
SIR

>>28474771
>Hybrid
more cope tranners

>>28474773
no hand?
no car?
kek

>>28474779
>>28474778
SIRS

BY MORE HONDAS

>>28474806
mindbroken bus cuck

Yeah this EV guy is a shit poster who argues in bad faith and doesn't even own one anyways. The only thing he's an enthusiast about is going tick tack tick on his keyboard like it's fucking twtter. Piss off you joyless knob. I bet he wouldn't even decorate it.

>>28474679

If everybody will use electricity. Price for electricity will skyrocket

>>28474830
Quit giving this idiot the time of day it best to just ignore these time wasters.

>>28474831
exactly. right now electricity is only cheap because... no one uses it?

>>28474778
>PHEV
Those things definitely combine the worst of both electric and ICE cars.
Many of them guzzle gas like a truck after you empty the battery, and often ruin said battery faster than any EV or self-charging hybrid (because discharging the thing deeper = lower CO2 test results = lower penalty tax for the manufacturer).

Maybe there's some scenario where you can only own 1 vehicle, can charge it at home, frequently need to do short drives and then want to use the same car to drive across the country once a month. Maybe then it'll make sense. I suspect most just bought them for the vehicle tax benefits, though.

>>28474842

>every car uses electricity

1)Countries will need to produce MUCH more electricity

2)Electrical grid will need monumental upgrade, it will be astronomically expensive and it will take decades to implement

>>28474876
Nah, the gm v/o/lt is /o/ur car

Gas here today is $2.70-2.90 a gallon. I don't even think about the cost of gas or my fuel mileage. I can usually fill up for the cost of a single taco bell meal (~$15) and that doesn't bother me because I don't waste all my money on food like many others.
>>28474954
>Electrical grid will need monumental upgrade
This, a very large undertaking. Losses in the grid increase exponentially as load increases.

>>28474954
>>28474972
China has moved to EV in an exceptionally short time span and yet I don't hear about Chinese suffering a huge electricity crisis.

>>28474972
>Haha i don't care about the price of oil skyrocketing
>I just wont eat food anymore
This means you cannot afford to operate an ICEV

>>28474977
Chinks also don't give a fuck about muh environment, burn tons of coal, throw nucelar waste into uguyr desert and outside of mega cities you barely have civilization

>>28474988
Didn't ask

>>28474996
Because you knew that you'd look stupid otherwise, Chang?

>>28474988
And despite all that, it's still more sustainable than petrol.

>>28475002
Yeah no it's not no matter how much you cope and since you care about muh sustainability just take the bus back faggot >>>/n/

>>28475002
You do realise that burning oil is how they make a lot of electricity. It's just not right outside your house.

>>28474977
They burn coal to make theirs.

>>28474981
It means I'm a healthy weight and don't eat $50 of carbs every day. People spend all day snacking, have a $35 dinner, then complain about spending $5 of gas a day

>>28475021
Picrel

>>28475007
>>28475021
>>28475016
Read and weep

>>28474580
Even the dirtiest electricity is still cleaner than petrol (an extremely dirty power source with hugely corrupt corporations and arab nations involved to boot)

>>28475031
What carbs cost $50?
Post your Chronometer/ myfitnesspal

>>28475037
>no rebuttal
>it was real in my mind
go back faggot >>>/n/

>ICEV bans
two more weeks lol

>>28475050
It's ok being an illiterate monkey clinging to 18th century power sources. Just don't make it so obvious.

>>28475063
>gets btfo AGAIN
>throws tantrum AGAIN
lol
lmao

>>28474977

China also lies a lot

>>28475061
Not the guy you were replying to, but i track a lot, and i know old timers were getting mad about being beaten by EVs all the time.
Boomers are pissed and fed up. They keep talking about shutting down the whole track

>>28474360 (OP)
Continue driving their shitbox until the strain on the grid generated by EVs leads to energy prices rising or government starting to track EV charging and taxing it separately.

>>28475067
Unlike OPEC and the petrol industry, right?

why not water powered cars?

>>28475087

and about what OPEC and the petrol industry lies , exactly ?

>>28474476

the absolute delusion of EV niggers

>>28475117
Read a history book.

>>28475117
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/20/what-we-now-know-they-lied-how-big-oil-companies-betrayed-us-all

Even to this the petrol industry is spreading FUD regarding EVs and have successfully induced a range/charging paranoia in millions of Americans. They own the US president too.

>>28475156

no tell me about what OPEC and the petrol industry lies in 2025

>>28475156

>source guardian
opinion disqualified

>>28474360 (OP)
We kill the tree huggers and everything they believe in. When they protest we stab them then toddle off dragging their guts to give the flies better access.

>>28475174
>World's top newspaper, renowned for its rigourous confirmation of sources
Vs
>dude trust me
Big Oil aren't going to have sex with you bro

>>28474566
>An iPhone is simpler than a PC because it only has three buttons

>>28475402
>the guardian
>top newspaper
>rigorous confirmation of sources
anon don't make me laugh we all know the guardian is a shitty left-wing rag firmly in the pocket of international finance.

>>28476099
Sirs!

rajeesh and sanjay are hard at work shilling EVs lately I see. maybe they'll get a lot of rupees and a green card for their efforts.

>>28476271
You try to project really hard but you can't even charge EVs in India. They're all dependant on the petrol, which ironically enough partly why their cities are a huge mess of toxic shit.

>>28476127
Post hand and car then, go on.

>>28475402

>World's top newspaper, renowned for its rigourous confirmation of sources
please go back to r/socialist

>Big Oil aren't going to have sex with you bro
I did ask u what OPEC and the petrol industry lies in 2025 . you have no answer . if u can't have discussion please fuck off

>>28476335
>All the internet is just one guy.
Lol, lmao even