Thread 28476130

Are EVs really the future? Are gas cars done?

>>28476130 (OP)
Yes EVs improve at an exceptional pace. There are huge differences in an EV from 2020 compared to 2024, whereas none of us could tell the difference in an ICE in that time span. In five years time, just about any downside of EV will have been adressed as solid state becomes standard and chargers will be readily available everywhere.

>>28476130 (OP)
The used market isn't quite there yet. Any decent used EV is still €20k+ but in a few years those will be pushed to a more affordable 15k range. I think that's when more common people buy EVs and when mainstream adoption will truly kick off. And when the common person learns that high mileages don't tear down an EV like it does an ICE....prepare for real paradigm shift. I still see used EVs differ hugely in price just for slight variations in mileage. They are valued with the mindset of an ICE, but I don't think 20k miles here or there make any difference in an EV besides tire usage.

I mean lets be honest, our silly little tranny cars are being banned from racetracks, they are merely appliances used for transportation and should be discussed in /n/

>>28476156
Good morning! Buy Honda sir!

>>28476130 (OP)
>Are EVs really the future?
No
>Are gas cars done?
Also no. If you disagree you're a faggot

>>28476130 (OP)
>here's your EV bro
Man this bullshit... Well at least it doesn't have nanny-ware installed.

>>28476159
imagine being a Tesla shill and calling anyone a Pajeet

Half of Musks replies are jeets begging for bitcoin you delusional tranny

>>28476166
Sir! Buy Honda Miata!! Rajeesh loves it.

You can buy a used Tesla for 20k that is sportier than a lot of 100k ICE sports cars. If this isn't writing on the wall that the combustion engine is outdated and outmatched, I don't know what is. Soon ICE will only exist as status icons and collector items, sort of like wrist watches.

>>28476180
>Slower than a literbike

>>28476135
This. Just look at BMW/Mercedes line-up for 2026 on their new EV platforms. Promised WLTP ranges of close to 800km where a few years back they struggled to reach 500km. All while dramatically increasing charge rates while introducing features like vehicle-to-load and vehicle-to-grid. Battery prices are going down fast and what used to be luxury price ranges are now closer to typical ICE prices. Despite withdrawn government subsidies, sales are still increasing on yearly basis and the charger network ever increases by the day.

Kraut pushes a Model 3 on the German Autobahn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQC7cY0YCkU&t=1408s

Look how effortless he makes high speed driving. He's driving a commercial line EV as a sports car with a level of comfort that ICEs can never match. This is the paradigm shift of EVs. It changes the entire playing field of what a commercial car can do.

>>28476262
Time stamp should be 11:40

>>28476172
Literally never seen an Indian in a Mazda. Countless ones in Teslas though

>>28476291
Do you have a PC? All I see are phone shots. Is that Obama phone all you can afford?

https://ev-lectron.com/blogs/blog/ev-fires-vs-ice-fires-safety-comparison-and-analysis

All vehicles, whether powered by gas, diesel, or electricity, carry energy that can ignite under certain conditions. Fires require three elements to occur: fuel, an oxidant (typically air), and a source of ignition.

>In ICE vehicles, hot surfaces, leaking fuel lines, and sparking electrical systems are common ignition sources. For electric cars, battery fires—often caused by thermal runaway or electrical failures—are the main concern.

EVs use lithium-ion batteries with an energy density of around 0.3 kWh/kg. Gasoline, by comparison, has an energy density of roughly 13 kWh/kg. That means ICE vehicles, including diesel cars, store nearly nine times more potential energy than EVs. When ICE cars catch fire, the results can be catastrophic, especially given the volatility of gasoline.

>One of the most widespread myths is that electric vehicle fires happen more often than ICE vehicle fires. According to the National Transportation Safety Board and recent AI Overview findings, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency further supports this: only 23 fires occurred among 611,000 electric cars—an incident rate of just 0.004%, compared to 0.08% for ICE vehicles.

>So why the panic? EV fires are newer, more dramatic, and harder to extinguish, making them headline-worthy even though they are much rarer.

Despite this data, EV fires receive more public and media attention because they are new, less understood, and often more dramatic due to battery chemistry. The visual intensity and the challenge of extinguishing an EV fire, especially when reignition occurs, can contribute to a heightened perception of risk. However, the reality is that most fires occur in older, poorly maintained ICE vehicles, and the actual frequency of electric vehicle fires remains very low compared to other vehicle types.

>>28476159
YWNBAW

>>28476296
>>28476293
>people die when they crash
Also funny you have so little material you have to resort to the same crash. Meanwhile>>28476297

>>28476298
>Tinsae Aregay
Is that your uncle?

>>28476172
Dilate

>>28476302
>boomers butthurt that EVs beat their track records effortlessly so they urged a ban
kek

https://pluginamerica.org/learn/ev-safety/

Experts conclude that EVs are just as safe or safer than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles and are less prone to fires and rollover crashes.

>EVs generally perform better than ICE vehicles in crash tests and score overall higher ratings from the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS)
All passenger vehicles, including EVs, sold in the U.S. must meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and must undergo an extensive, long-established testing process.
EV battery packs must go through additional testing.

>Battery packs are in sealed shells and are tested for conditions such as overcharge, vibration, extreme temperatures, short circuit, humidity, fire, collision, and water immersion.

EVs are designed with additional safety features that shut down the electrical system when they detect a collision or short circuit.

>Because batteries are generally placed widely within the frame along the bottom of the vehicle, EVs tend to have a lower center of gravity than conventional vehicles, making them more stable and less likely to roll over.

Batteries are also unlikely to be damaged in all but the most severe crashes. The EV battery can only be damaged if the car’s steel frame itself is damaged.

>EVs catch fire much less often than ICE vehicles—they are about 60 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. ICE vehicle fires are extremely common in the U.S. They are estimated to happen 500–600 times on average every day.

Because batteries are protected by the car’s frame, they generally will only ignite in the most severe crashes.

>In the rare situations when EV batteries ignite, they can be more difficult to extinguish, although they do not explode like gasoline fires.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-21/evs-are-much-lower-emitting-than-combustion-cars

My BloombergNEF colleague Corey Cantor just published a detailed report on the lifecycle emissions of electric vehicles, looking at everything from average battery pack sizes by region, battery manufacturing emissions, current and projected electricity-generation emissions, day- and night-time charging trends, and more.

Corey comes to the same conclusion that virtually all other independent studies have: EVs have lower lifecycle emissions than their internal combustion counterparts.

Even in places like China, where coal still plays a large role in power generation, EVs have lower emissions overall. The reduction is around 27% there, compared to 71% lower in a market like the UK, where coal has been mostly pushed out of the generation mix. In a market like the US, an EV becomes a cleaner option after about 25,000 miles of driving, which is about 2.2 years for the average US vehicle.

The power sector is changing rapidly, with more clean generation capacity being added to the grid. This means that by 2030, the breakeven point will have moved up significantly in all regions. An EV made in the US in 2030 will be lower-emitting after a year of driving, while in China, it will be after just over four years, based on current trends. Battery recycling eventually will push EV emissions down even further, as will localizing battery production closer to demand centers.

One final caveat to all vehicle lifecycle emissions work is that most studies (including BNEF’s) don’t include emissions from refining and distributing gasoline and diesel.

These fuels don’t just appear at the pump, and anybody who has driven by an oil refinery can see the vast scale of our current energy infrastructure. This is a tricky area to pin down, but global refinery emissions are somewhere around 1.4 gigatons of CO2 annually. That’s a few percent of global CO2 emissions.

>>28476307
>Fisker EV
Fuck is that even?

>>28476294
You can barely afford your bus ticket no car tranny

https://www.greencars.com/news/what-are-2025s-most-satisfying-evs-to-own

Research firms track customer satisfaction in a variety of categories, but some have become especially focused on the auto industry. An annual survey tracks the satisfaction of owners immediately after purchase right through to several years later. Some of this research even targets electric vehicles. In a recent survey, owners of EVs were said to be happier with their vehicles than owners of gasoline-powered cars.

>Battery-electric vehicles now represent over 9 percent of the overall new car market in the U.S., up from 8.4 percent the year prior, the growth in market share is fueled by a larger number of EVs available in multiple segments. Many of the new entries to the market are more affordable, mass-market EVs, and owners reportedly absolutely love them.

In a recent survey of over 6,000 electric vehicle owners, and from mainstream brands, the Hyundai Ioniq 6 was ranked as the most satisfying EV to own.
Hot on the heels of the Ioniq 6 was its platform relative, the Kia EV6, Chevrolet Equinox EV SUV; the Hyundai Ioniq 5; and the Chevrolet Blazer EV. Rounding out the top 10 were the Kia EV9 three-row SUV; compact Hyundai Kona EV; the Ford Mustang Mach-E; Subaru Solterra; and Kia Niro EV. The

>The EV survey also showed that electric car owners have a strong intent to stick to electric for their next vehicle. Indeed, 94 percent of EV owners are likely to consider purchasing another EV for their next vehicle, a rate that’s also matched by first-time EV buyers. Only 12 percent of EV owners said they were likely to consider replacing their electric car with a gasoline-powered one.

>>28476297
Debunked. Liar. Get BTFO again tranny.

>>28476299
You don't have a car

>>28476314
>Holy butthurt cope

>>28476303
>>28476300
Dilate troon

>>28476313
lol
lmao

>>28476303
>ACK

>>28476308
>waaah the environment
BREATHE ecotranny

>>28476306
>Safe
Kek

>>28476316
You got caught lying and BTFO again tranners.

>>28476309
Another failed EV experiment

>>28476324
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>>28476319
Saars the petrol fuel is SAFE AND EFFECTIVE

Hmmm I wonder why more people die driving cars with literal explosive fuel in the tank....if only there was a logical explanation...

>>28476333
Could it be...97% of cars on the road in the US are gas/diesel?

A great ball of petrol fire heads your way, would be a real shit time if you were also using a fuel that would trigger a chain reaction of terrible explosions.

>>28476330
Post hand and car faggot
>>>/n/

>>28476346
Why did that webm make you so upset, Rajeesh?

>>28476333
>burned in their sleep
EV experiment succeeded lmao

>>28476350
Yes a slow fire is way more preferrable than a fire that instantly explodes and evaporates everyone within a 5 mile radius. No wonder less people die in EVs than ICE.

>>28476347
>no car
>no hand
You are poor and brown, tranny faggot.

>>28476351
>no hand
>no car
>>>/n/
>>>/lgbt/

>>28476348
>>28476350
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>>28476360
Saars buy my Mazda! It's safe and effective!!

>>28476361
>no car
>no hand
YWNBAW neovagina freak

>>28476362
You will never be white, poorfag Mazda owner. You better steer clear from other ICE vehicles in traffic, you're one collision away from an awful chain reaction of fiery death.

>>28476367
>Brazil
>Ethylaclohol
LMFAO your own webms are fake just like your neovagina is fake

>>28476370
Your Mazda isn't worth shit and neither is that Android shitphone you're posting from. That contained fire looks a million times more preferable than fiery explosions that COMBUSTION engines cause. Do you know what combustion means Rajeesh?

>>28476375
>no hand
>no car
>no pic
Chinese tranny lmao

>>28476135

1)from where will additional electricity come

2) have exactly will electric grid handle it all

I think gas, diesel and electric should coexist

>>28476394
I think this EV guy should just quit blue balling his hate boner for ICE and cum already

>>28476394
do you have room in your heart for hydrogen?

>>28476387
When you include the long tailpipe of electrical demand from gasoline production and distribution, the difference in electrical use between a gas car and an EV isn't that significant. Less than 1kWh per 25 miles comparing an efficient electric car to a typical internal combustion engine car.
Even a small solar array can easily generate 50kWh aka 250 miles of range a week year round.

AI is quickly dwarfing EVs additional electrical power use, and the grid is proving it can ramp up for that.

>>28476387
The government can always afford to buy anything priced for sale in its own currency. It can just buy the labor and materials to upgrade the grid and increase additional output, assuming it exists to be purchased in the first place.

>>28476475
Hydrogen has about one place to fill up in the UK. That idea died on its ass.

>>28476475
yes

>>28476306
>an iphone is simpler than a cash register because it has fewer buttons!

>>28476175
at least Elon knows his place

>>28476746
No but an iPhone is less likely to break down than a cash register due to a lesser individual component wear and tear load.

>>28476670
Schizo
EVs are the future and you cant change it

The future is EV CUV leases
You’ll pay a monthly fee for a car that tracks your every movement. It will know if you try to give it a little too much “gas” take a corner to quickly, or brake hard.
In fact it will brake for you. It will limit your acceleration and speed to match traffic, and ensure that your eyes are always on the road. You’ll drive this “car” for three years before turning it in and paying for the new model, which is exactly like the old model. This is the future of transportation in Goymerica

>>28477767
>Butthurt

>>28477790
Nothing you describe is inherent to EV or somehow invalid for ICE.

>>28476130 (OP)
H2 ICE soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzUQT0dxxbY

>>28476361
Kys useless carrotroon

>>28476347
>>28476330
Poorfags e-bike

>>28476130 (OP)
I leased and EV6 and love it

Wat

>>28479724
Just report it and hide the thread. If more anons did that it would annoy mods enough to maybe do something. Maybe.

>>28479724
Both threads filling up nicely too

>>28479760
lmao as if that works on /o/

>>28479617
How many billions for the insurance?

>>28479760
Stop your entitlements

>>28480075
$1120/yr

EVfags get 300,000 bucks for leased fisting

This thread is ass

>>28480653
ASS ASS ASS
I'M GONNA STEP ON THE ASS
TONIGHT AND FLY
GONNA BREAK WIND
YEAH YEAH YEAH
SO BABY WE CAN SURVIVE
GONNA BE THE STINKO

>>28479724
It bait

>>28479724
Since both threads are still up literally DAYS later it's proof that they're ads/engagement bait.

>>28480655
C&BT

>>28480075
six

>>28480075
420

>>28476130 (OP)
YWNBAW

>>28477767
ESL falseflag?

>>28476130 (OP)
PHEV is currently the loophole after the government mandate.

>>28476308
Nigga bunch of words for
Thermal Efficiency