Thread 28476797

What is it about this car that causes so much seethe, particularly on /o/?

>>28476797 (OP)
if it made ~275-300 whp and had a slightly nicer center console i'd have probably bought a brz

>>28476797 (OP)
Ugly as fuck
Slow as fuck
Gay as fuck
Pikachu as fuck
Monster as fuck
Truck as fuck
Into the trash it goes, to use the parlance of our times
BRUH
M
A
O

>>28476797 (OP)
No idea why it gets so much hate. Love my FR-S, I know it has issues, but I think it gets a lot of shit on /o/ for no real reason.
Has anybody here installed the Eibach Sportline Kit? I went down to 16" wheels last spring and the wheel gap is killing me.

>>28476811
>Pikachu as fuck
>Monster as fuck
>Truck as fuck
this is new to me, can anybody who speaks schizo translate?

>>28476797 (OP)
Sour grapes

>>28476820
Ignore and report as spam.

>>28476820
It's self explanatory

>>28476797 (OP)
>slow
>torque dip
>mcdonalds
>can’t turn right without oil starvation
>toyota won’t honor the warranty
>shitty as fuck stereo

‘I-it handles good!’
It can’t handle good if it self destructs during handling

>>28476820
He bought an M5 and the engine blew up so he BUILT it as a tuned Frankenstein for like $30k and now he’s on /o/ rationalizing it.
>gay Epps
wheel gap
>monster truck
It’s lifted higher than he thinks is appropriate for esthetics
>pikachu
Don’t know, maybe Japanese cars or something
>old man
The dampers, springs. and bushings are too soft

Idk sometimes it’s a valid criticism sometimes it’s cope from him. I wouldn’t call the BRZ suspension monster truck

>>28476808
Mostly this. It's underpowered and slow. If it had more power it'd still sound like shit, but it'd be forgivable.

>>28476797 (OP)
>sell drivers first sports car
>/o/ seethes it performs like a beginners sports car

Its not flawless but it flawlessly achieves what it set out to do. Nothing compares for this price point and any other "but you can get this for the same price with more power" are almost always at least a decade older.

>>28476797 (OP)
For me it's because it represents what could have been. It's a reminder of how close we got to having a truly great car, but didn't because of stupid corporate red tape. They could have used a turbo engine from the WRX or the IS250 and it would have been brilliant. Literally the perfect car. But they didn't want it interfering with sales of other cars so they had to intentionally make it slow. Because how do you sell a $50000 4 cylinder supra or a $45000 sti when you can get the BRZ for 25k and it's just as quick.

>>28476797 (OP)
Blackpill incoming. Most anons here do not own a sportscar, hell I'd say only about 50% of them own a car at all. They cope by saying "fun" cars are too expensive, or are too old, etc. Yet the BRZ and 86 are affordable, fun, and new. So they need a reason for it not be worth having, because it’s easier for anons to nitpick about MUH TORQUE DIP or MUH MCDONALDS than to admit the truth. Which is that they’d rather spend their money on DoorDash, vidya, anime figures, and instant gratification.
All the while the 86 sits right there in the market (and my garage), perfectly attainable, exposing their lack of commitment simply by existing.

At the end of the day, the 86 like the Civic Type R or the Miata, a litmus test. Either you care enough about driving to own one (or something better), or you don’t.

You'll see a lot of it in this thread, car-less bus riders giving their ill conceived reasons why the 86 is bad, while real 86 and BRZ owners will always go on and on about how much they love their slow little shitbox.

>>28476856
>"but you can get this for the same price with more power" are almost always at least a decade older.
No?

>>28476863
i got the elantra N because it's faster, sounds better, is more practical, better interior/amenities, handles great, and has a super customizable driving experience
only thing it's missing is muh RWD but it's a perfect daily/fun car for me
the brz just wasn't quite compelling enough to me

>>28476869
>elantra N
You passed the litmus test. I personally couldn't give up RWD, but you made a good choice nonetheless.

>>28476820
>>28476797 (OP)
Let's break it down:
>UGLY
Self-explanatory
>SLOW
1/4-Mile: 14.7 sec @ 97 mph
>GAY
Self-explanatory
>Pikachu
Weeb car from Japan or Gook car. Goes for both. Will also be used for Chinese cars should they get posted.
>Monster Truck
Lots of visual "features" that do nothing. Fake vents, giant wheel gaps to handle bad suspension, exterior and interior details that have to overcompensate for the lack of power. Hence, "Monster Truck" because those are the same. It's a standard build with a bunch of random crap piled on top. (but it's cool for actual monster trucks because they are big and have power.)

This is a classic USGPMT, right here. The BR86 is one too.

>>28476863
I got a sport car and the BRZ is slow and has shit suspension and and a very bad engine. Sorry. Glad you like yours. If it makes you feel better I enjoy the BRZ in iRacing. Easy to dominate the field anyway

>>28476866
Got my 2014 86 in 2023 for less than half that lmao.

>>28476896
>I bought a 9 year old car 2 years ago for cheap!!
Lol?

>>28476893
Post car. You wont, but even if you do, if you paid more than 15k for it, then we're talking about different things anyway.

>>28476902
Do you have time to keep moving those goalposts bus rider? Your stop is coming up.

>>28476906
Was the goal post "how much did a 9 year old 86 cost in 2023 as compared to a 2025 Mustang in 2025"?

>>28476908
Post your mustang.

>>28476910
I don't have one. I have a manual Challenger SRT 392. The Mustang is just a useful benchmark as it's the "standard" performance car. And being that it's a smaller pony car it's more aligned with the GT86 than a full size muscle car.

>>28476896
that's like bragging about getting a Kia for half price after a decade lol

>>28476797 (OP)
>200hp

If you were there and part of the hype train when the first gen was announced you would understand the hate. I wanted one so bad. Then my local dealer got a shipment of them in and I got to test drive one that same day. Nearly 3 years of hype gone in an instant and replaced with hatred and disappointment.

I know this maybe hard to understand for the younger people on this board but being someone that lived through the 90s/00s where a clean 240sx could be had for as low as $3k at one point, having the opportunity to buy an FRS that felt the same without any of the charm for over $20k felt like an insult. I'm not going to bend over backwards at the chance to pay extra for something that used to be a given. The engine sounds like a jar of angry bees being shaken while fuck-all acceleration happens and the gear shifter felt like it was made entirely of rubber-bands.

It broke my JDM-only delusions in a single test drive. Its like a 90s car that was put back into production but in the worst way possible. Like it missed 20 years of evolution.

>>28476930
>LGX with nearly 80k
>LGX infamously breaks it's timing chain at 80k if not properly mainted

>>28476797 (OP)
What’s with the angry incel face?

>>28476863
This. Can't believe we allow cuckover drivers to post with us.

>>28476977
I like your SS :)

>>28476854
Don't forget his riced downpipes, and that his car is slower than a Golf.

>>28476854
>He bought an M5 and the engine blew up so he BUILT it as a tuned Frankenstein for like $30k and now he’s on /o/ rationalizing it.
lmfao jesus christ
>>28476849
>>can’t turn right without oil starvation
this is unforgiveable

>>28477053
1/4-Mile: 14.7 sec @ 97 mph
This is much worse. BTW real numbers.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-86
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 6.1 sec
1/4-Mile: 14.7 sec @ 97 mph
100 mph: 15.6 sec
130 mph: 31.4 sec
Considering the top speed of the car is 130mph and it takes 30s to reach it, and 15s to reach 100mph, the car is almost never driving at those speeds. That 15s rollout to 100mph means that anywhere but the longest of roads you tapped out at maybe 50-70mph.
The engine struggles with oil and fuel off the straights, and the suspension/brakes aren't big enough to reasonably allow it to decelerate from 70-30mph in any reasonable amount of time.

All this combined means that you have a car which you simply can't go fast in.
>What is it about this car that causes so much seethe, particularly on /o/?
It's a slow and dumb car, that gets glazed by zoomers (given more appreciation than it deserves) because it's also one of the ONLY cars that LOOKS a little sporty that they can afford.
For auto enthusiasts this is really stupid. The equivalent of a console gamer saying their PS5 outperforms every PC. (and any PC that is better than a PS5 is "too expensive!")

>>28477073
>>28477053
Also Car & Driver -can't- shit on it because it's one of the only cars left that is sold new with a RWD + Manual configuration. They are -forced- to give it a pass if they want more RWD+Manual cars in the future. (They already weren't going to sell many if they don't throw out BEEG NUMBA for one of the final RWD+Manual cars they will simply stop being made.)

>>28476866
who the fuck buys a 4cyl stang

>>28477078
>>28477073
Oh I know it's a limited car. It isn't BAD at the pricepoint and it has its issues. Being slow I can forgive, oil starvation is retarded. It looks cool. We don't have good options though.
>>28477088
this retarded place was praising it the second the ecoboost came out. shit engines that don't last but WHOOOOA THE HECCIN ECOBOOST, PLUS A TUNE, IT REALLY MOVES!!!

>>28476887
Close, but not quite
p ikac hu-ness is all in the styling. They look like faggot ahh origami pik ach us
>Lots of visual "features" that do nothing. Fake vents, giant wh eel g aps to handle bad suspension, exterior and interior details that have to overcompensate for the lack of power.
All that shit is pikachu as FUCK
It being a MON STER TRU CK is all about its hilariously HU GE, beanco unter INSPIRED, old-man-appeasing suspensions that goy ota thinks belongs on "sports cars"
>>28476854
gay eps is electric power steering as opposed to superior HYDRAULIC steering; has nothing to do with whee l ga ps
My M5's engine didn't blow up, it spun a rod bearing, much like picrel

Okay, so if it sucks so much what do I get if I want a RWD MT that I don't need a second mortgage for?

>>28477088
New drivers, people who care more about looks than POWA, people who simply don't know the difference and also don't care.

>>28477086
>still using the numbers from a different M5
Kek, post those downpipes and then promptly rope, you nigger buttpirate.

>>28477053
By "frankenstein" he means fully BUILT forged internals motor, PURE turbos, CSF x PURE charge coolers, KW V3s, DINAN swaybars, DINAN monoballs, and APEXBUILT catless downpipes

>>28477090
>Oh I know it's a limited car. It isn't BAD at the pricepoint and it has its issues. Being slow I can forgive, oil starvation is retarded. It looks cool. We don't have good options though.
Yes and you can get it RWD+Manual.
But it's simply just another dumb slow car. It's a shitbox.
How many threads do we need about a shitbox?
To wit, if you go on /v/, do you want to see content about games or just a bunch of posts about the shitbox they bought?
>Switch 2 is the BEST shitbox!!!
Is the same as getting excited for the BR86. Happy for anyone who owns one and I myself have considered one or a Miata to do some fun driving. But all this cope and fucking nonsense about how it's "ACTUALLY AN AMAZING CAR" blah blah blah needs to stop.
>>28477092
It's far better to get a used RWD+Manual because you can either get a really good luxury/performance car, or go the other way and heavily undercut the $30k you would pay for a new BR86.
You can get a Camaro with RWD+Manual for under 20k and that is a MUCH better car. (Even though it's only a B- car, overall)

>>28477095
Just making up for the decade difference in tires

>>28477090
I hate these retards like you wouldnt believe. A car is more than just its 0-60. 4cyl is a bastardization that should never have been made

>>28477105
>making up for being a slow niggermobile
lel
Post those downpipes, fag. I want a good laugh.

>>28477103
this board just needs a /brz/ general to contain it all.

>>28477110
General threads should be banned site-wide. They generate no content and just act as black holes for spam.
If you need a thread to constantly attract flies like it's a zapper, you should just ban people from making dumb threads.

>>28477088
A fair amount. Apparently 50/50 in the USA. It's cheaper, still decently quick and has the same Mustang looks.

>Speaking about the sales split between the V8 and the 2.3-litre turbocharged EcoBoost engine, global Ford Mustang brand experience manager Joseph Bellino told Australian media it’s “at about a fifty-fifty mix right now” in the USA.

>>28476797 (OP)
Some spic who bought a 86 thinking it was meant to be a fast sports car due to his browness. He then immediately challenged a V6 sienna and lost in a race. In his anguish he coped and bought a i4 camaro because he couldn't afford a V8. Now he spends his days patrolling /o/ for any mention of the 86/frs/brz so he can cry about it and bring up his own car (i4 camaro) as an alternative.

>>28477113
shut the fuck up newfag
generals are fine
the problem is you

>>28477119
this seems believable.

>>28477123
Name 1 general that has ever generated a single good piece of content.
I'll wait.

>>28477116
>It's cheaper, still decently quick and has the same Mustang looks.
Yea, but the looks aren't the entire point. Who buys a car just for the looks? The point of american muscle is the v8, the point of jdm is them being nimble and quick, etc...

>>28477132
looks is probably 80% of the buying decision for a normie and 60% for enthusiasts.

>>28476977
>It broke my JDM-only delusions in a single test drive. Its like a 90s car that was put back into production but in the worst way possible. Like it missed 20 years of evolution.
to be totally fair that is exactly how toyotas and subarus all feel and comparing a gt86 to a golden era nissan is a bit unfair

>>28477130
>noooo you have to generate """"content""""" for me to CONSOOOOOM

fuck off back to ig you faggot jew

>>28477130
I thought generals were just containment threads for ugly slow gay cars that no one else wants to see

>>28476977
Oh hey here is the i4 spic himself

>>28477138
I'm just saying what's ONE good post or a moment from a general thread.
I'll wait.
You seething isn't a response.

>>28476977
>It broke my JDM-only delusions in a single test drive
The E39 did that for me

>>28477148
>2kb 125x70
nigger what are you doing

>>28477143
>spoonfeed me daddy

kill yourself faggot

>>28477142
Oh hey here's the 86faggot jannie xerself

>>28477151
I'll just keep waiting for (1) good post that you can share from a general.
Not asking for more than that. Surely there's ONE, right?

>>28477119
To be fair, a turbo 4-cylinder Camaro is faster than a GR86 and is a better alternative. I wouldn't buy either, but I get it.

>>28477150
he's a manlet irl so when he saves pics they end up smol

This slower than a minivan weeb dogshit is utterly raped by Porsche.

>>28477158
Pretty sure it's an ant who drives a remote-control BMW.

>>28477150
BRUH
M
A
O

>>28477155
>spoonfeed me daddy

L
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M
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N
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4CHAN IS NOT A VENDING MACHINE
GO BACK TO HTTP://WWW.REDDIT.COM

>>28477161
Holy fuck we can actually see something for once you did it.
A watershed moment for /o/

>>28477142
But that's a Camaro SS with 455 hp.

>>28477160
>>28477158
No, yinz guys just post pictchiz for GIANTS

>>28477162
You can't do it, you N'WAH.

>>28477169
YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PICTURE THAT DEFIES DIMENSIONALITY AND FILESIZE LIMITS YOU STUPID FUCK
GENERALS DO NOT MAKE "CONTENT" YOU INSTABRAINED ZOOMER FAGGOT
IT IS THE RAW EXPERIENCE THAT IS DESIRED, THINGS THAT CANNOT BE MADE INTO IMAGES

KILL YOUR MCFUCKING SELF
YOU WILL NEVER SEE SAMSARA
NIGGER

>>28477172
What the brown dog yappin about?

He's losin' it

>>28477175
>all caps too big for tiny here to read
lmao

>>28477180
You get raped by Porsche daily brown son remember that.

>>28477182
Post your dad's open diff MONSTER TRUCK bmaooo

>>28477182
you and bmw guy are both californian manlets
literally nothing you say or do will ever reach me

>>28477172
put it on https://catbox.moe/ then you retard
that is what it's 4(chan)

>>28477182
Trimtragic Milhouse

>>28477191
Don't EVER call that fuckin 'gonie a Californian

>>28477193
no you stupid fucking nigger what i'm talking about isn't a file on a computer that you can upload to anything.

go make a friend, now make 20, now make 50, 100, now you are ALL go-karting together for free
you are asking me to upload that feeling, the best i can do is a webm. all cars in this are driven by a person from this board.

>>28477199
what game is that? looks comfy

>>28477201
rfactor1

>>28477142
It's even funnier because I'm a Jap.
You should know who I am by now. We've only had these bi-weekly 86 bait threads for a few years.
Should have put that I still love Miats in my first post.

>>28477206
miats and muscle car owners should be friends

>>28477212
Both are gay as shit so that would make sense

>>28477206
>It's even funnier because I'm a Jap.
no you're an indio

Should I get a version of one of these cars, Im looking for a fun, reasonably priced cars, or is a Miata a better pick. Just need to transport my girlfriend and I comfortably

>>28477213
yur mum's gay that's why you're adopted

>>28477212
Never get rid of your childhood games. A copy of GX is close to 100$ now

>>28477237
a date car? anything with a tan interior. very fancy.

>>28477237
Go test drive a GR86, a 4-cylinder Mustang and a 4-cylinder Camaro. Then buy whatever you liked most.

>>28477237
https://vocaroo.com/1gSLGVufSLxS

>>28477247
>Then buy whatever you liked most.
for me, it's the Pentastar Challenger

>>28477246
I hate beige interiors so much. Not sleek and luxurious like black. Not rich and nice like saddle brown.

>>28477253
He could try one too, they're in the same price range. Though it's in a bit of a different category.

>>28477266
it's the dk/wario/bowser choice in irl mario kart

>>28477263
>black
Bro you're gonna boil your gf into a red lobster.

>>28477287
>implying leather
>he doesn't have alcantara seats
>he doesn't have ceramic tint

>>28477287
I don't live in Arizona.

>>28477284
Wario drives a purple late 50's Mopar though.

>>28476797 (OP)
Because /o/ hates cheap entry level sports cars.
>Just buy a second hand mustang at the same price bro
This is how you kill sports cars and why automatics and cuvs/suvs are taking over. Because companies see low new sales volumes of a car and think why spend money on developing this shit when we can sell a million more SUV's and trucks with higher profit margins?

>>28477324
i meant more that it's on the heavier end of the same basic performance envelope.
the camaro and stang is mario and luigi
the 86 is peach and yoshi
and miatas are toad or koopa

>>28477435
True just buy a new Mustang for the same price as a new GR86.

>>28477544
>ecuckboost
I'd rather drive a miata

>>28477560
Mustang Ecosneed: 315 horsepower and 350 lb-ft of torque.

GR86: 228 horsepower and 184 lb-ft of torque.

Miata: 181 horsepower and 151 lb-ft of torque.

>>28477566
>shitbox america
>shitbox japan
it's just that shrimple

Needs 200hp more

>>28477571
And the Mustang Ecosneed is the king of shitboxes. The context is "dude bro you GOTTA BUY NEW and CHEAP sports cars!" within this frame the ecoboost wins.

>>28477560
The new Egoboosts are fast as hell.
4.5s 0-60
350 torKKKs

They feel faster than the GTs in city traffic due to the turbo and lighter weight. Mustang V8s are weak as shit on the low-end.

I've plotted the power curves of both engines over each other and Egoboost is even stronger than the V8 in the very low RPM range for getting rolling, putting around town.

The Egoboost is super fuel efficient, >36MPG on long roundtrips I did, and fast enough when you want. Feels more nimble than the V8 too. It's an amazing value if you don't care about badges or stigma. But you can't shift gears at all KEK

Every car has limitations. GayR86 just has too many weaknesses to be worth "muh handling", especially when you compare it to the cheap American Egoboost.

U S GAY, U S GAY, U S GAY!

>>28476797 (OP)
Because they should be able to afford it but they can't.

>>28477566
>no manual option
fake car. into the trash it goes

>>28477585
this is what

>>28476797 (OP)
How much money do you have to spend to add 100hp to this thing? $5,000?

>>28476808
>>28476855
You guys don't even know how to get everything out of 90hp.

>>28478466
100hp is going to require a turbo or supercharger. The realistic cost for turbo kit, supporting mods, labor and tuning is $10k. A HKS turbo kit is $5,500. A JDL turbo kit is $6,000.

>>28478498
Kek why would you pay $10k to expedite the explosion of an engine that already SHATTERS rods when stock?

>>28478510
I don't think it's a good idea, but people do it all the time. Sure, they should just buy a Mustang GT or something, but he asked.

>>28478516
mustangs are gay as shit though

>>28478519
Then buy a manual supra for $60k.

>>28478533
Kek fucking weeblet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelet why would I pay $60k for some faggy goyota

>>28477435
Actually wrote to Toyota about that, essentially glazed them for building the 86 and delivering a car with everything i wanted (for the price point) but told them id like to see another car be put into the 30k AUD price bracket to fill the void the first gen left behind

The second gen is worth the money, its just money I dont think ill ever have to blow on financing a new car. 30-35k is a bracket I think is much more obtainable to a generation dealing with the second most expensive housing in the world.

>>28478754
Looks like starting MSRP in AUS is $47,900 which is $31,100 USD. MSRP is USA is $30,000, so basically the same.
>30k AUD
That's $19,500 USD. That ain't gonna happen, big guy. A Nissan Versa starts at $17,200.

>>28476903
Nah, I don’t want attention

>>28478754
That's a good idea. Hopefully enough people thought like you to keep the 86 gen 3 affordable, and 300HP.

>>28478837
You do not own a car.

>>28478864
Cope. You’ll just have to accept that some people have faster cars than you

>>28478865
>people have faster cars than you
Yes, that's fine, but you're not one of them

>>28478864
If the gen 3 is 300hp it's gonna be $37k starting easy, in today's money. A GR Corolla is $39k starting.

>>28476797 (OP)
Should I wait for used GRs at a decent price? Or are the gts not basically the modern hachi-go

>>28478867
Brother almost every car on the road is faster than your car

>>28478879
The GR86 has 25 more hp and 30 lb-ft of torque and it's still really slow. That being said you can get a ~2014 BRZ/FRS with 95k miles for like $14k. GR86 will be half the miles for $25k.

>>28478884
Being overtaken by a minivan on the highway doesn't bother me in the slightest. What irritates me is when busriders come into threads on /o/ and lie about owning a car.
One blurry picture of a vehicle is all it takes to shut me up, and yet I'm still posting.

>>28478892
>2014 BRZ/FRS with 95k miles for like $14k
>GR86 will be half the miles for $25k
Jesus, the market is fucked.

If it had the power of even just the VQ35DE we'd all be happy

If it had the power of even just the VQ35DE we'd all be happy

>>28478925
86s are Ugly, Slow, Gay, pikachu MONSTER TRUCKS

>>28478892
That's not a huge difference. Improvements in the chassis worth anything? Lighter or heavier.

>>28476977
I’m not much of a car guy. I drive a late ‘00s BMW e82 (6-speed) my parents got me in the late ‘10s, it’s fine. (Looks like pic related) Anyway, I too didn’t get the hate for the GR86. It looked pretty cool to me. Then a couple of weeks ago while out driving I finally saw one, in the yellow I liked, and I finally understood the hate. It was making a hilariously loud amount of noise but seemed to be crawling. My +15 yr old BMW shitbox, with a naturally aspirated 6 cyl. that only made 230 hp when new and which probably makes less now as it’s old and I haven’t modified it at all, not only could leave it in the dust, but sounded way better too. Ultimately they’re too much money for the subpar performance.

>>28478981
>That's not a huge difference
It is. It's like 2 seconds faster 0-60.

>>28478974
>he's back after his 24h ban

>>28478988
>not only could leave it in the dust
The nu86 is not only faster but weighs less, plus the driver, unlike you, is not brown

>>28479017
Delusional
>>28477091

>>28479023
not reading that schizobabble

>>28479026
and he's still whiter than you

>>28479028
For sure

>>28479030
>the bharat motorworks golem is posting thumbnails again

>>28479033
What the fuck are you talking about

>>28479037
meds

>>28478967
you rang?

>>28479039
>his vehicle uses R1234yf
disgusting

>>28479039
>v6let

Can't wait for the gen 3 BRZ's to start ending up on scrap lots so I can do an engine swap from my boxer, only the gen 1 has good aesthetics but the performance, YEESH.

>>28479043
all brzgayty6s are ugly pikachu bullshits bmaooo

>>28479042
three six
vee sex

>>28479041
don't hate me cause im flammable nigga

>>28479043
gen2 mogs the gen1, thoughbeitly

>>28479050
Gen 1 has unique soulfulness.
Gen 2 is a knock off Porsche.

>>28479050
perro caca

>>28479050
the only thing I like about the GR86 is the engine, I'll swap out my FA20 one day.

>>28476797 (OP)
It's popular and 4chinners would sooner sudoku with a butter knife than admit to liking something that's popular
It's a site for chronic contrarians. Make a thread about liking oxygen and half the anons in it will give themselves CO poisoning to spite you

>>28479159
>popular
They sell like 14k a year.

>>28479169
Reddit normies like it, Jeremy Clarkson likes it, ergo, 4chan must dislike it

>>28479017
>Whatever color/race I and the GR86 driver are seems pretty irrelevant.
>Not too familiar with GR86s but a quick Google image search shows it was probably an older (5 or more year old) model
>They only have 200 hp which would explain how I mogged him in speed despite weight difference
>The funniest thing was the sound, like mosquito, not sure if that’s stock or mod
It’d be nice if /pol/tards stayed in /pol/

>>28476797 (OP)
It's slow. Fuck your slow car fast bullshit.
The miata is only popular because its a convertible. If it wasn't, it would be another piece of shit slow car meant for tryhard boiracers. Which is exactly what these cars are.

>>28479648
who are you quoting? learn to greentext buddy. Maybe r/bmw is more your speed

>>28479661
go buy a tesla, then

>>28479828
>>28479849
tell me one (1) way my driving experience would improve if i bought a brz instead

>>28479661
An MX-5 with a factory hardtop with no retractable RF shit would be amazing

>>28479860
last time i drove a rental shitbox for a work trip it was hilariously fun being able to rev the absolute tits off it without even breaking the speed limit

>>28479865
no, more like the brz/86 should have had targa variants.
if youre going to give me a slow car, thats supposedly a "le drivers car" then at least make me feel connected to my surroundings with a removable top... it even has somewhat the right shape for it.

The biggest miss for not having a targa (in terms of design) has got to be the nissan z
Look how perfect it would have been

>>28479871
That's not a targa

>>28479874
he's saying it would've made for a good targa top

>>28479870
>>28479871
>actually WANTING a convertible
so are you some kind of hairdresser or just a geriatric?

>>28479881
why do they have to buy what you like and not what they like?

>>28479860
being 500 pounds lighter, actually being able to see out the windows, not having an ugly ipad dash, not having a steering wheel with the girth of a polish sausage

>>28479884
they're free to buy what they want, and I'm free to call them gay for liking it

>>28479886
Small hands huh?

>>28479890
Cope, it's too fat, and the flat bottom sucks for slipping the wheel and catching slides. It's made like that because most murricans are too stupid to know which way the wheel is pointing

>>28479886
>being 500 pounds lighter
no one cares, it makes twice the power
>actually being able to see out the windows
mirrors
>not having an ugly ipad dash
Uh wut? It looks exactly the same as the brz ipad
At least i get physical gauges
>not having a steering wheel with the girth of a polish sausage
I have big hands
>>28479881
No one really cares about rigidity lets be honest, 99.3% of people aren't pushing their car to that limit.
Soft tops are ugly and require high maintenance
So it only means having the top off means you can experience your surroundings much better. If you enjoy driving.
Every sports coupe should have an option for a removable top.

>>28479886
All of that can be achieved by buying a Miata for a fraction of the cost of a brz

>>28479892
Ok retard.

>>28479893
>who cares
so then drive a truck if you don't care about weight.
You can always add power, it's much harder to remove weight.
>mirrors
Doesnt matter when your A and C pillars are built like an ancient jewish temple
>ipad
86 has an integrated dash on both gens, no ipad
>muh hands
again with this cope, it's just a worse wheel. At least you can put an aftermarket wheel in but still, it sucks, every american car has a fat misshapen wheel.
It's not a terrible car but for straight line speed I'd rather have an s550 stang, and the brz is more fun as an autocross and track car. Only the SS is worth it and that's $20k plus tip more, plus it looks like a robot's foot

>>28479896
I really could give less of a shit about unobtanium financial investments. Literally a stat sheet built to be parked in a garage

>>28479894
unless you're over 6 feet tall and don't want the shitty softtop*

>>28479886
>being 500 pounds lighter,
This only matters in tight road courses
>actually being able to see out the windows
You've never driven one, have you?
>not having an ugly ipad dash
The BRZ also has an 8 inch ipad dash. In fact, the base Camaro has a smaller infotainment than the base 2nd gen BRZ. Both the center screen and the gauge cluster screen are smaller.
>not having a steering wheel with the girth of a polish sausage
Never in 20+ years of driving have I EVER heard someone complain about the thickness of a steering wheel.
>>28479902
>Only the SS is worth it and that's $20k plus tip more
A 1LS with the LTG was 25k new until 2023 and can make nearly 400hp with E85 and a tune while weighing ~3300lbs.
A supercharged LGX can also make a bit over 400hp at around ~3500lbs.
SS suspension and wheels can be bolted on without additional modification. It was even a factory option on 1LT/2LT/3LT RS models.
>It's not a terrible car but for straight line speed I'd rather have an s550 stang
Stock for stock they're matched in the quarter mile but the Camaro destroyed the S550 GT in everything else. A regular SS is on par with the GT performance and a SS 1LE can beat a Mach 1 HP for nearly 15k less. The Coyote excels with boost over the LT1.

What the fuck are we even arguing about at this point.

>>28479905
nta but just fyi it's couldn't. if you could care less then you still do, at least a little

>>28479902
>Only the SS is worth it
Good thing thats exactly what i have lol
>integrated dash
How is this not an integrated dash, im confused... Youre upset because it sticks out half an inch?
>You can always add power, it's much harder to remove weight.
The opposite. I can remove seats, sound deadening, etc., with no cost to reliability... Power always must come with whole lot of necessary upgrades.
Also the power to weight ratio is what im referring to. 500lbs heavier but literally twice the power. It doesnt have too much weight unless you are talking about autistic parking lot cope driving (auto cross)... on any real racetrack the camaro will destroy the brz.
Anyways, for a few thousand dollars i can slap a supercharger or more aggressive cams or both and make like 700whp lel. Tell me when a brz even makes 300 whp reliably.
>Doesnt matter when your A and C pillars
It actually doesn't. The mirrors tell you exactly where everything is. blind spots are a myth. mine has blind spot monitoring anyway.
>>28479913
>arguing about at this point
c/o/ntrarianism has diseased this board. everyone just wants to argue for the sake of being contrarian.

>>28476977
>The engine sounds like a jar of angry bees being shaken while fuck-all acceleration happens and the gear shifter felt like it was made entirely of rubber-bands
So exactly like a 240sx?

>>28479917
>cams
cam*

>>28479913
so the camaro ipad is simultaneously smaller while also seemingly floating and being encased in this garrish bubble-plastic. Why the fuck didn't they just make it recessed into the dash??
>that pic
>that rear view
looks like letterbox. Reminds me of those dreams where I'm trying to drive through a tunnel that gets smaller and smaller
>1ls
600 pounds heavier. Brz with an HKS super does 400. Even if you remove your air conditioning it's not coming close. The brz will always be the more nimble, responsive car.
>what are we arguing about
Aesthetics, driving qualities. The camaro not being a replacement for a light NA coupe like a brz. It's a pony car and mustang competitor. For daily driving the camaro is faster and more planted. The 86 slides everywhere on shitty prius tires. I think the 86 is more fun but that's not something you can quantify with benchracing stats. And if I were going to get a maro I would want an actual V8, simple as. Would rather drive a bespoke 4cyl that holds its own rather than be mogged by the big brother trim

>>28479917
>50k car vs 25k car
>yeah but mine's faster!
No shit retard, for twice the price it better be

>>28479917
>The opposite. I can remove seats, sound deadening, etc., with no cost to reliability...
So can a brz retard. GM isn't sending their best

>>28479935
Aesthetics are purely subjective. I didn't care much for the 6th gens looks when it was first debuted. I actually thought that it was just a midcycle refresh to the 5th gen until the 2017 came out. The 6th gen blurs the line between pony car and sports car, even more so with the 1LE option. The lightweight sports segment doesn't really do anything for me. Its why despite always liking Miatas I've never bought one. If one showed up in my garage with my name on it I would absolutely drive the fuck out of it but that's quite different than having to actually buy one. My first experience drifting was in my cousins S15 when I visited them in Japan in 2003.

When I test drove my Camaro I was expecting a dumb muscle straight line hog like almost every pony car that came before. In a matter of seconds it won me over. If you have such strong beliefs in the BRZ than surely your opinion will hold steadfast in the face of a test drive.

>>28479950
I actually daily picrel, and I test drove it against the ecoboost and nuwrx. I just don't like the styling of the camaro, the belt line looks weird, the face is busy, and the interior isn't much better. Subjective yeah but the looks and interior visibility are enough to put me off entirely. If I were to purchase a 2nd car or trade in the future in the pony car class I'd probably go with a mach 1. My three requirements were no ipad, must be manual, and under 40k. I wanted something new and unmolested. Also I live in a really dense area and you can't go 500 feet on any road without bumping up against someone's bumper. The rear end comes loose in 2nd gear under 30 mph, and in the rain it feels like it's on ice skates. I really enjoy it. It's a modern 240.

>>28479957
I don't have strong opinions on the 2nd gens like I do the first. To me iPad-dash means a giant tablet in the center like a VB WRX or S650 Mustang. I don't care about the plastic housing not being perfectly flush with the rest of the dash. They did that for 3 reasons
It was cheaper
It makes replacing the screen easier depending on if its the base/higher trim
It had to be angled slightly down because the interior is the same on convertible models.
The back of the infotainment is also illuminated, either an off-white or RGB depending on trim

Where I live used to be a Podunk town just 10 years ago but now traffic is a crapshoot. It's either backed up half way to the next intersection or a wide open road. The problem is that the people here are afraid of the gas pedal and take a quarter mile to get 40.

With the traction control completely disabled I've tempted the rear to lose control up to 4th gear. Going sideways is fun in games and has it's use in real life too, but unfortunately maintaining grip is almost always faster.

>>28479962
Yeah that's fair, the Camaro dash definitely isn't as egregious as the VB or S650, but I'm really picky about certain design elements feeling distracting. I even hate that the ND Miata had an ipad. Unironically ruins the car for me. I wish car manufacturers would retvrn to this layout.
No doubt sliding around is slower and goofy, and the reason why the gt86 subreddit is filled with daily crashes, but the 86 isn't a serious car. It has fun factor going for it which you can't quantify to /o/ benchracers. Losing the rear is also really forgiving in an 86, a baby on xanax could save it in oversteer with the laziest countersteering input

>>28478993
You only go 0-60 once in a race, and only if it's a standing start.

>>28479172
slowfaglet boyracelets like it; understood

>>28479905
>missing the point this hard

>>28480064
Cool. And the 35-100 mph is also total garbage. Even worse than the 0-60 because at least with 0-60 the light weight is helpful. When accelerating from 35 mph traction largely isn't a concern and it's all about power, which at 86 doesn't have.

>>28479940
>nooo used cars literally don't exist!!!

>>28479974
>Losing the rear is also really forgiving in an 86, a baby on xanax could save it in oversteer with the laziest countersteering input
Because it has no power.

>>28479947
brzs and camaro drivers are completely different buyers THOUGH. The brz is mostly driven by white or asian twinks in their 20s, while camaros are mostly driven by mexicans and muslims of various ages. Mostly.

not that mexicans DON'T buy the frs/brz, it's just rare

>>28476856
>Nothing compares for this price point and any other "but you can get this for the same price with more power" are almost always at least a decade older.
You can get a good condition C6 for $20,000 or less if you look hard enough. I got a low-mile single owner 2011 (has an LS3, so even faster) for 22k.

>>28480185
>>28480165
Thats a dumb argument because used BRZs also exist. You can get a used BRZ for like $5k.
But to me a $50k camaro is still preferable to a $30k BRZ or a $5k used BRZ lol.
Hell I spent ~$38k on my (used) camaro after all taxes/fees/etc and I enjoy it MUCH more than I would with a $5k used brz, a $20k c6 vette, or a $30k new brz
So the lesson is just save enough money until you can buy a real car and don't mess around with "entry level" sports cars just because they are cheaper.

>>28480323
That's a dumb argument because brzs are Ugly, Slow, Gay, pikachu MONSTER TRUCKS
I spent $7k on my 335i and I enjoy it MUCH more than I would a meximuslim camaro

>>28480349
Good for you and your little babby 6 cylinder family sedan, some of us want our cars to make a pleasant sound though
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mfe5d0H85c

>be me
>like Initial D
>want AE86
>wife says no
>buy gt86 instead

it's not that complicated guys.

>>28480399
My 335i isn't a sedan, and when I want to hear a loud V8 I can just drive my M5 with APEXBUILT catless downpipes, baby
That car in that video sounds like shit but probably because borla exhausts just suck cry pussy

>>28480403
https://vocaroo.com/1gSLGVufSLxS

>>28480403
What does the wife's bvll drive in this situation

>>28480323
>You can get a used BRZ for like $5k.
Where are you seeing used BRZs for 5000 dollars? Maybe if it's got over 200k miles and a rebuilt title. Ones with manual, <100k miles, and a clean title usually go for $18-22k in the midwest.
>a $50k camaro is still preferable
why. you can buy a base model c8 from a dealership for this much and it'll be faster than a huracan. there are so many cars you can buy for this much money that are considerably faster than a camaro.
>don't mess around with "entry level" sports cars
>implying that a corvette is entry level
>camaro somehow isn't also entry level even though the c6 is faster in every metric

>>28480450
Challenger Hellcat manual.

>>28480451
>you can buy a base model c8 from a dealership for this much and it'll be faster than a huracan
Who cares if it's auto only

>>28480503
>implying that a black or indigenous criminal of color can drive a manual

>>28480450
Manual ef civic

>>28480566
That's because it's a white man.

>>28480450
fiat multipla

>>28479907
Soft tops are based and im 6'2" tall and fit in them. If you're 6'2" wide like most Amerisharts then yeah you'll struggle

There's really no legitimate reason to hate on an entry level lightweight rwd coupe.

>>28480451
>why. you can buy a base model c8 from a dealership for this much and it'll be faster than a huracan. there are so many cars you can buy for this much money that are considerably faster than a camaro.
Sports cars are inherently irrational purchases
I just like camaros, the way they look and all. Ill take a mustang over a corvette as well. I like these pony car styles
>>28480566
kek cope, black and indians can drive manual more than whites

>>28481442
Who said anything about injuns?
And LOL no way do more africans know how to drive manuals than all of white europe

>>28480450
Salvage title 370z

To get this thread back on topic and arrow from musshole cars, how many people ITT actually have any experience with these cars let alone own one. Or own any car for that matter...

>>28481674
I've already posted itt, but I own a 2014 Scion frs, and I love it. I'm not going to post a picture because I know that /o/ would roast the fuck out of my wheel gap. I promise I'm working on it.
I moved down to 16 inch wheels and removed the clutch assist spring, beyond that it's mostly stock outside of visual flair, things like lights.
The throw out bearing went at about 95,000 km, and I had to pay about 2,000 to get the whole transmission removed just to replace it, this is unfortunately an extremely common problem with this car. It shattered my flywheel too, but beyond that the car has never given me any problems even when I've driven it roughly or made mistakes.

I'll hopefully be getting either lowering springs or coilovers sometime this season, but that's up to my finances. Considering I don't drive this car during the winter if I don't get those in by august, it's just not going to be worth it this year.

I just love my 86. Simple as.

>>28476797 (OP)
I’m considering getting a new brz next summer. At first I thought I would get the ts trim but apparently it loses the aluminum knuckles? Wondering if I should just get a limited and add the ts features in the aftermarket.

>>28481726
>I know that /o/ would roast the fuck out of my wheel gap
That's literally one brown retard.

I just hate the flat 4, just give it a normal engine configuration. Maybe smaller, lighter and more nimble, along the lines of the Miata

>>28483783
>mfw straight 6 brz

>>28483646
The knuckle composition is a meme, you won't tell the difference between steel and aluminum. Saves like 20 pounds who cares. Just hit the gym

>>28481444
you mentioned criminals of color
>no way do more africans know how to drive manuals
well the ones that actually own and drive cars probably do
not the ones in the jungle getting eaten by hippos i suppose

>>28476797 (OP)
Does the GR86 still have oil pressure issues when turning right at high speeds? I remember this from launch track days
Not trying to make fun, real question if anyone has experienced it ITT

Also, any word on the turd gen? I heard it will be Subaru-less

>>28483767
*jobless dropout brown retard

>>28480566
Right, that's why your cars are all automatics, nigger.

>>28486360
>Does the GR86 still have oil pressure issues when turning right at high speeds?
I think so. There might have been some fixes, but I don't believe it was ever solved completely.
>Also, any word on the turd gen? I heard it will be Subaru-less
The BRZ and the 86 will be separate cars in the next gen, and will probably revealed later this year. If the 86 gen 3 looks particularly good, I might trade in my gen 1. I'll certainly test drive at least.

>>28487644
Supposedly the 86 may be more mazda than Subaru next Gen, along with semi-mostly-confirmed rumors that the supra will be a Mazda.

>>28487654
Is that a bad thing? Mazda is the only company that still knows how to make small, light, and fun RWD sports cars. I'm sure the next BRZ will basically be a RWD WRX, so hopefully we can go back to the 80's and 90's with the Mazyotas.

>>28486360
The oil starvation thing is a meme.
GR86 cup cars don't have this issue. But then again they also run lower weight oil and many have baffled sumps.

>>28476797 (OP)
Can't you just put in a Honda motor or WRX engine in it or does that require too many mods?

>>28487654
As long as they don't do some gay hybrid shit, that could be cool.

>>28487891
>toyota combines the prius and the 86
>preighty Six
imagine the seethe