Turning 40, so need a comfortable AWD sedan. Thinking Volvo S60 or Lexus GS350, any other ideas?

Why AWD?

>>28478557
Best for snow driving. FWD is also an option but AWD is better I think.

>>28478563
Those volvos at least are a far cry from AWD, only in name. The haldex like system in those sucks ass and is like 90% FWD with 5 percent the wrong rear wheel slipping and 5 percent other rear wheel occasionally twitching.
It basically does fuck all.

>>28478554 (OP)
I had a gs350, the E39 is better. The BMW E39 is probably the best sports sedan overall that there is
You don't need gay-wheel drive, just get snow tires

>>28478554 (OP)
Subaru >>>>>
Manuals best but the automatics do work. If you're just doing old man driving they should be fine. I have doubts about the CVT ones though but I haven't actually driven one of them to know. Would avoid personally.

>>28478566
Interesting, thanks. Companies just advertise AWD or not so how can I find out the percent?

>>28478567
I never tried winter tires, it might be okay.

>>28478567
lol i still remember when you crashed that thing

>>28478631
I've never owned a cumwhite car thoughbeit

>>28478631
Big kek if true

>>28478621
You really can't aside for surfing the web and reading up forums.
Basically anything AWD that is also available as FWD is a sham and a scam, the rear wheels do nothing until one front wheel slips, even then usually only one rear wheel from the opposite side pushes a tiny bit.
If you want all 4 wheels to do something, then you need a proper 4x4 car, but even those have their disadvantages

>>28478567
I'm 6'0 so I can't fit in that manletmobile

Same as OP but I'm in the really schizo situation of having always loved "old man cars" while still feeling goofy like I'm in my late 20s. I'm not jaded yet. When dealing with contemporaries I'm often feeling really awkward because of that.

Picked up a sweet Nebula Grey GS 350 Luxury trim in February. It's very, very nice. Premium made in Japanese luxury. If you're over 6'2" you will have headroom problems. Backseat isn't for big adults either.

Performance wise it's very nice and subtle. 60-100mph is comically achievable, a very fine turnpike commuter. It's a quiet, subdued machine. Haven't tested the AWD in winter weather but going through highway cloverleaf interchanges in driving rain at speed inspires confidence.

Eco mode drives like a better ES (Camry). Sport and Sport+ have better throttle response, tighter suspension and braking and make it more of an experience.

Don't bother with European maintenance costs. Buy a GS and be completely satisfied. Buying a used BMW without super maintenance records is a problem waiting to happen, just avoid it.

I don't have any recommendations for used cars but, yeah, just get a Subaru lmao
Also you're a fucking retard if you think AWD is a substitute for winter tires, four seasons are ass and summers become slick below 7 degrees celcius.
There is no reason to want AWD if you don't aren't extremely conscious about how you will need go modify your driving habits; they will not give you better traction, what they do is distribute the torque load to all four wheels such that you can apply higher acceleration forces to your driven wheels before experiencing slipping. It does literally nothing to improve winter driving besides raising the speed at which you can accelerate.

Are you regularly experiencing wheel spin? No? Then you probably don't need AWD.

>>28478563
I've never had more fun in snow than with my 190e with proper snow tires. Beats out my 4wd truck and old awd legacy outback. Just an old man's $0.02

>>28478554 (OP)
Unironically a 1994 lancer 1.6

>AWD
>Open diffs
>Its still only two wheels getting power

>>28478893
>It does literally nothing to improve winter driving besides raising the speed at which you can accelerate.
Acceleration is important. I've never had a problem with FWD on all seasons but I can always feel the limits trying to get going from an icy stop. Minnesota is so cold some days that the salt can't even melt the ice. I'll look into some older Subarus, no CVTs.

>>28478554 (OP)
What about the XC40?

Not quite old man tier.

>>28478842
Used to have a gs350 f-sport
The E39 is better

>>28478962
E39 sucks C5 better

>>28478563
you want RWD for peak fun in the snow.
also, you want a merc.

Don't buy a p2 S60 they're like boats but the suspension is still stiff and it rides like shit. In terms of ride quality it may have been the worst car I have ever owned.

>it's another I need """"""AWD"""""
They got these things called snow tires bro

>>28478554 (OP)
At least get an s60r.
>>28478567
>this faggot is still sucking off jason comisa

>>28478554 (OP)
>40
>old
hey stupid 40 is the new 30 you're not old just lazy

>>28480629
cope

>>28479237
It was a big deal, this meme only works if you're a fucking idiot that doesn't know any better. EVERY vehicle in that pic is a death trap. Countless died in these. Every family has someone that died early in one. They suck in the rain, they suck in the snow, and the faster you go, the more it sucks and you only get closer to death.

Get a 4th Gen Legacy GT Limited or Spec B. Just keep $10k stashed for an inevitable engine rebuild.

>250hp/250ftlb
>Manual transmission
>5.3s 0-60
>AWD (actually)
>Comfy leather interior with no screens
>Comfy ride quality
>Looks like a Camry so nobody even notices you.

Flaws
>Engine will grenade
>Pretty shit gas mileage
>Rear seats don't fold down in the non spec-b

>>28478554 (OP)
>need
>awd
Wrong. You want a comfy old man sedan, get yourself a long wheelbase Lincoln Town Car.

>>28481074
Literally a skill issue.
>t. dailied a 70s car for two years and didn't die

>>28478554 (OP)
>Volvo S60
Do those even have a real AWD instead of
>front wheels are spinning mad? Let's send 5% of torque to the rear

>>28481354
Ohhhh so edgy
Yea no shit asshole, still doesn't change the facts.
2 years? Daily this for 10, fuck off. There's nothing you can tell me. New cars are light years ahead of these old classics. On ALL fronts. Act like it was no big deal and people didn't crash and burn daily in these. Penalty for failure is very high in this car. Most didn't "have skills".

>>28481359
it's 70% fwd until the fronts slip then it's 50/50.

>>28481377
Just git gud.

>>28478808
This except the last line.
It's possible to find cars (not SUVs/trucks/cuckovers) with real close to 50:50 or rear-biased full time AWD (meaning there's always some torque going to every wheel when you press the pedal, and it's getting split 50:50 between front and rear, or the rear gets like twice more). Most if not all of these cars have longitudinal engine layout.
>>28478621
>I never tried winter tires
You should try them. It's night and day difference. But buy proper ones with the snowflake and the mountain, not some gay "every-season" piece of rubber.

>>28481389
Do they even sell proper studded winter tires in US? Everything else is garbage.

>>28481389
>You should try them. It's night and day difference.
Yep, I run Blizzaks and they're incredible.

>>28481377
I would not have a problem dailying a 60s or 70s car for a decade. Put modern tires and high-grade brakes on it and it'll stop and turn close enough to an average modern vehicle to not be unsafe.
I wouldn't say modern cars are light years ahead on all fronts. Modern crash structures and high tensile steel passenger compartment reinforcement do substantially boost survivability, but I feel now they tend to skimp on the structure and just slap airbags in to half ass it. Fuel injection is very convenient but not needed. Same with abs, traction control, vehicle stability management, blind spot detection, automatic lane keeping, adaptive cruise control, and all the other nannies that coddle and cushion people from the harsh realities of the world. People like the soccer moms in their suv's hitting curbs while posting on Facebook, in the 60s and 70s they just died in car crashes. Now they're bad drivers for a decade or more until they bump the steering wheel while reaching for their trendy Stanley cup and pile head on into a kenworth at 60mph.
The modern trend of "we have to protect everyone and keep everyone safe" is a feminine idea. It's an obsession that has neutered society, and much like a neutered pet it's made the world fat and lazy
>there's nothing you can tell me
also feminine mindset

>>28481401
yup
they make total sense if you live in the mountain west where there's a solid ice/snow sheet for months in the winter

>>28481389
the snowflake just means a 10% improvement in packed snow performance I'm not sure it's really worth it

>>28478554 (OP)
Look at a Cadillac CT6 or Lincoln Continental. There is no substitute for American luxury. Heated/cooled/massage seats on all 4 seats, twin turbo 400HP available, etc. In the Caddy, you have 2 tv's in the rear seats, 4 wheel steering, night vision, HUD, etc. It will be thousands cheaper than some euro crap that will shit the bed and cost you thousands to repair

>>28481658
>the snowflake just means a 10% improvement in packed snow performance
What? Where did you get this from?

>>28481685
>Lincoln Continental
NARA (not a real AWD)

>>28482047
im pretty sure that's the exact performance standard for 3 peak mountain symbol in all terrain tires
from reading car magazines daily since I was 11 years old

>>28482050
You forgot your forum signature gramps

>>28478554 (OP)
The new s60s are great. The 90s are as well but I personally prefer the look of the s60s

e90 with the n52

>>28478566
first gen haldex was shit, in 2005 they switched to haldex2 which was a lot less shit, and then haldex3 in 06-07 added preload and made a huge difference. bitches dont realize how heavily the haldex relies on your brakes being in excellent shape tho. the way it transfers power left-right is by braking the opposite wheel

t. im a volvo hacker and daily an R. grab up the p2 s60s while you can, tuning is free and open source now

>>28482300
>bitches dont realize how heavily the haldex relies on your brakes being in excellent shape
Then why even automakers pretend that haldex can give a car more offroad capability? People usually need that capability when their wheels (and the brakes obviously) are not only wet, but dirty and sometimes even submerged.