>the cheapest full sized sedan produced in 2025 is nearly $82k base trim with no packages
How long will car manufacturers forsake us bros. . .

>>28481800 (OP)
>An executive saloon with 400+ horsepower should be affordable on a McJob wage because I want one
Get a Camry or Corolla.

>>28481813
The Ford Taurus, Chevy Impala, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Chrysler 300 and plenty more have been gone for years with no return in sight. Even the luxury counterparts of many of these stopped producing them…there must be a final solution for the SUV/crossover question

>>28481800 (OP)
Isn't Tesla Model 3 like 50k with Long Range battery?

>>28481813
A pickup truck has a bigger interior than this as well as 400hp and the best part is you can afford one on a McJob wage.

>>28481842
Mid sized sedan and it’s dogshit EV

>>28481800 (OP)
>Full sized sedan
Did we forget what full sized sedan is?

The Accord has been a full size sedan since 08 retard

>>28481881
The LS is listed as a full sized sedan. Maybe the situation is more dire than I thought. . .the forsaken Ford Taurus is definitely a true full size
>>28481884
It is listed as a midsize and is smaller than the LS that is compared in the pic

>>28481902
>Ford Taurus is definitely a true full size
Taurus was 203". LS 500 is 206".

>>28481800 (OP)
Who cares new cars are mostly gay as fuck. Mostly

>>28481915
Really that is surprising. . . I’ve drove and sat as a passenger in both and the Taurus felt bigger. It was just once and not in the same year so maybe I just got fatter before going in the Lexus

>>28481881
>>28481902
Full size is an interior definition so the outside appearance is not as important as the actual usable interior. A return to that old style would be kino

>>28481833
>>28481833
>How long will car manufacturers forsake us bros
You niggers don't even buy new cars. Why the fuck do you expect any business to cater to your retarded demands?

>>28482038
why would I buy current new cars when they stopped making what I want when I was a toddler last century and could not have contributed to new sales of it

>>28482040
Why would the manufacturers make what you want when you contribute exactly nothing to their bottom line then?

>>28482044
If they made what I want, I could contribute.

>>28482038
I just bought a used 2020 full sized luxury sedan at a price point that would’ve been enough for a new full sized Ford or Chevy, but they are not there to buy. I just got a job this past year and before I was in a few colleges getting degrees, there was nothing I could do. If they still made the Cadillac CT6-V V8 Blackwing I’d save up more and buy that shit but now I guess I save up for an AMG S-class or some other German equivalent

>>28482351
> If they still made the Cadillac CT6-V V8 Blackwing
They're stiull making the CT5-V Blackwing with an even bigger V8. What's stopping you from buying that instead of a used krautmobile?

>>28482051
No you wouldn't. You have never purchased a new car in your life.

>>28481881
Car rental companies think the Corolla is mid size.

>>28481881
internally, the LS is the same size. you don't need a couple feet worth of front and rear bumber (and fins) to quality for full size.
all you need is something that comfortably fits 4 full size adults (aka, incl 6+ footers in the back), and also enough cargo space for their luggage. or, alternatively, the bodies of a couple burly italians (in this case, pronounced eye-talians).

>>28482412
Why would I spend 30k+ on something I don't want?

>>28481800 (OP)
>block's you're path

>>28481847
Have you seen the cost of a brand new V8 pickup?

>>28482484
$40k.

>>28482457
No one would buy something that you want, not even yourself.

>>28481800 (OP)

>2025
>Can still buy NA 5.0L Japanese V8
>Buys LS instead

Just buy the IS500 F-Sport. It's literally the best daily driver sedan on the market right now. Nothing else is even remotely close. It will last 20-30 years and go 250,000+ miles on original parts.

>>28482508
How is that supposed to be proven when they won't make it for me to put my money where my mouth is in the first place?

>>28482514
>IS500 F-Sport
>$70k car
>interior is boring and shitty
It's auto only as well but it's a Lexus so that's to be expected.

>laughs in 12k na+t shitbox falcon
lol
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>>28482519
Because they did make it for people like you in the past, no one bought them compared to other cars, so now they don't anymore.

>>28482529
Read my first post, sorry for not buying a brand new car at 3 years old. My fault, totally.

>>28481847
The truck or big body on frame SUV is for towing and hauling shit around. The sedan is for daily driving and family purposes with smooth ride and handling. My old suburban is great when I need it but driving a sedan daily feels much better

>>28481881
The trunk on that impala is like 5' long.
Cabin size looks like it's probably fairly equivalent.

I thought that for a "full size" "luxury" sedan it would have some space inside, but it is actually incredibly cramped and fit only for manlets, which is sad

>>28482524

>Boring and shitty

Better than artistic and shitty.

>>28482824
If I'm paying fucking $70k for a performance luxury car you better believe I expect it to look fancy and luxurious inside.

>>28482790
I’m 6’5 and they have plenty of head and legroom. Maybe the back seats are a little less headroom but there’s still plenty of leg room. It’s not some chevy suburban level but theyre comparable to smaller SUVs.

>>28481833
>there must be a final solution for the SUV/crossover question
the solution to the crossover question is "yes"
it's what people want. it's the logical conclusion to the automobile for the masses.

>>28482503
Are these the V8s that are exploding because they filled them with 0W-20 from the factory?

>>28481800 (OP)
>Cheapest full sized sedan
>picks from a luxury brand while the Camry and is just as big and 50k cheaper

>>28482514
>I want full size sedan
>Just buy a compact bro!

>>28482919
Probably yes
Toyota recommends 0W20 even for my older Lexus, but thankfully people around here know better. Including the dealerships.

>>28482919
Nah.

>>28482923
Umm akshually the camry isnt full size its only midsize the difference is a full size is 4 inches longer and i need that extra rear passenger leg room because i have rear passengers often enough that it influences my car purchasing decisions

>>28482923
The LS is bigger than the Camry, which is only mid sized. The Avalon was Toyotas full sized offering but they discontinued it a few years ago because of faggy SUVs and crossovers

>>28482919
>Are these the V8s that are exploding because they filled them with 0W-20 from the factory?
It's not the oil weight, it's the crankshaft being incorrectly machined with too loose of tolerances. The bandaid fix for the known incorrectly made ones that haven't blown up yet is to increase the oil weight to 0w40, but the new ones made after (and machined correctly) still spec 0w20.

>>28482944
No one wants to ride in your tiny japmobile

>>28482958
and i don't care because i'm not a fucking chauffeur

>>28481800 (OP)
That's not a Honda Accord.

>>28482844

>$70,000

Bro that's barely out of econobox territory these days. Luxury doesn't start until 200k.

>>28482901
do you have to duck your head to see street lights?

>>28483019
Ok retard.

>>28483055
Most intersections in my city have the hanging traffic lights but also one on a pole off the ground which is usually low enough to see just fine. Some don’t have that and if I’m too far up I do duck lol but the driving is nicer than any SUV I’ve been in so it’s not a big deal

>>28481800 (OP)
>full size
In what universe? Get a 2023 v8 charger.

>>28482844

That is the most tiktok fucking faggot ass interior I've ever seen. Holy shit lol

>>28481847
No pickup truck with a full 5 seating interior has a 400hp option for less than 45 thou and a 45 thou car loan on 8 year term and McDicks worker level of credit is going to be $800 a month plus insurance.

Basically go fuck yourself.

>>28482790
It's a japanese car made for Japanese people. The men are 5'7 and 145lbs. They mostly live in the equivalent of a 750-900sqft 2/3 bedroom apartment. The LS is a luxury car for almost anyone who isnt a fat, spoiled american piece of shit with no perspective on life.

Why do people keep pretending that Lexus is for poorfags? It's not lol.

>>28482535
>why don't they make the exact same cars for 30 years?
Its a mystery why they're not making a car from your childhood, anon.

>>28483475
>luxury car for manlets
that's what I said, yes
why is "america bad" now too for some reason in your comment?

>>28481800 (OP)
The hourglass grill is so ugly that I’d rather pay double the price for another option

>>28483352
I had this experience in most cars I've tried and I couldn't accept that, not from a supposedly "luxury" car that costs $100k
"luxury" for me is driving with my head resting on a head rest while still being able to see traffic lights, I only found that in 2 series coupe for some reason

>>28483489
I'm not asking for a brand new 30 year old car, I want a new car with the same body style and equipment my old one has.

It’s pretty obvious why sedans died, every parent has kids in travel sports bc it’s the new way to stand out since they made the college exams easy as pie.
If you’re a DINK couple you just get a coupe or a compact
If you’re a single man you get a sports car
If you have any sort of outdoors hobby you get a pickup to put your dirt bike etc in
Sedans were sensible family cars when families reliably had 2.1 children and not they much cargo
Now they reliably have 1.7 children and a ton of cargo

If a car company released a sedan in the style of a 70s Lincoln Continental but with suicide doors, I think it could actually get a fair amount of sales if priced at say 50k. It seems most luxery cars have gone the European route of being relatively sporty and refined, which is fine, but I think it's neglecting the market segment old American land yachts has. Those boxy continentals had an imposing look to them and conveyed a sense of refined power, like an iron fist in a velvet glove. Now ideally they'd make these with a V8 or even a v12, but with the way the market is they'd probably go ev which truthfully isn't the worst thing for an overly large, heavy luxury car that isn't focused on handling or a sporty driving experience.
On the flip side, I do hope we see Ford and Chevrolet release their four door mustang and Camaro, respectively, even if a different name would be better

>>28483398
You're poor, fat and dress like a slob, don't you.

>>28483863
>If a car company released a sedan in the style of a 70s Lincoln Continental but with suicide doors, I think it could actually get a fair amount of sales if priced at say 50k
To whom? There is no market for a car like that.

>>28483494
Mate Japan fits 4x the pop of California into 4/5ths the space. That's what they have and how they live. The LS is a primo car simple as.

>>28484048
I didn't say it's a bad car
it's a good luxury car for manlets, I honestly wish I could comfortably fit in it (and actually in most other lexuses)

>>28481800 (OP)
brvtal cargo mogging

>>28483956

>you.. you... you're just FAT and POOR

Enjoy your tiktok ass interior. Shoulda bought a Lexus.

>>28484077
Kek you must be fat as fuck godsdamn

>>28485351
>ebonics
goyotas with leather are ugly slow gay pikachu MONSTER TRUCKS and the E39 is better than all of them bmaooo
Should have just gotten an E9, E24, E30, E31, STRAIGHT 6 E39, E92, F10 M5 Competition, W124, W126, R129, W140, or W201 already godsdamn fuckin weeblet momlet eboniclet bmaooo

>>28482535
>sorry for not buying a brand new car at 3 years old. My fault, totally.
So there's nobody older than you who liked the same types of cars you like now?
Why didn't they buy these cars 30 years ago?

>>28485361
because 30 years ago was the beginning of the rise of SUVs as americans are vain retards that couldn't be seen in the same kind of car their parents drove and avoided them at all costs because the "image" was uncool rather than there actually being anything objectively wrong with the body style itself

>>28485357

>>28485368
People still bought Mercedes Benzes and BMWs THOUGH

>>28485370
Too many big words?
https://vocaroo.com/1gSLGVufSLxS

>>28485368
>as americans are vain retards
Yes so the people with the purchasing power bought cars you didn't like.
so the companies decided to change direction
It's not that complicated
And no a rav4 or crv doesnt have any fucking "image," its just easier to drive than a sedan. Thats why crossovers gained popularity

>>28485378
That still doesn't change that now that I have purchasing power, they don't make what I want, so I physically cannot put my money where my mouth is and buy what I want, without fault of my own for not buying one because the body style withered away before I could possibly have had the chance.

you could get a jetta

>>28485377

>Coping this hard

Get rid of those faggot ass tiktok-tier front seats.

>>28485378
How is an SUV easier to drive than a sedan? Do you mean just because of the higher vantage point or what?

>>28485536
>better outward visibility (probably not the case today)
>bigger mirrors
>bigger wheels
>better geometry
Meaning you both see more and can care less about small obstacles and road imperfections.

>>28481800 (OP)
>lexcucks
>$82k base trim with no packages
yikes... It deserves to be discontinued.

>>28481800 (OP)
>logo is a giant L signifying you’re a loser
>ugly hourglass grill
Whoever decided those features should be on a car should be beheaded by a samurai on Mount Fuji

>>28486328
>small obstacles and road imperfections
bring back high profile tyres for paasenger cars

>>28486488
decked out version is $95k THOUGH

>>28487957
What's even the point if your car can't be optioned to at least half a mil?

>>28485536
Yes, and easier to live with as well if you only have one car for a household, especially if you have kids.
>>28485383
That's too bad i suppose, but it's not just about you, there aren't enough people like you to sell these sorts of cars for a profit.

>>28487978
porsche not owner of course, fanboy wrote this post

>>28487929
Won't fix these issues and you can almost always it yourself. What's the minimum wheel diameter that fits over your brakes?

>>28481800 (OP)
Hnnng I'd give a lot of handjobs for one of these

>>28482468
how is this compared to the usual luxury sedans?

>>28488421
not luxurious.
it has s-class tier space inside(well, at least normal s-class, not lwb), but vw golf tier materials and sound deadening.

if you're smart, you can get it with the 4pot from the gti and a dsg, which is actually very good, add a couple thousand euros worth of sound deadening, put some bilsteins on, and you have yourself a proper comfy little croozer. and yea, the plastics below elbow height will be hard and shit, but how often do you actually touch those.
also worth nothing, the trunk is cavernous, and it also comes as a wagon, which is even more practical.