Why did this not take off outside of California? Easily one of the best interiors from Toyota yet it's only on this car and only sold in Cali.

To sell outside California. We need more H2 mobility refueled by nuclear power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPAd2hwaJZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9Ep6pmF9M

You can found one 12k via fuel card

hydrogen is a retarded meme

>>28482284 (OP)
>Why did this not take off outside of California?
I don't think there's a single place to fill it up in my state without seeking private sources. It's why you can pick these up absolutely rock bottom dirt cheap right now.

>>28482284 (OP)
/o/tists, red pill me on hydrogen cars, are they good or just a meme like evs?

hydrogen is a futuristic solution

>>28482284 (OP)
>Why did this not take off outside of California?
you literally cannot take it outside of California. there's nowhere to get fuel

>>28482463
well in the case of the Mirai, it basically is an EV, but instead of a large lithium ion battery it uses hydrogen in a fuel cell to create electricity.

>>28482575
Also somewhat gas vehicle

>>28482568
Hm, Company has work around it.

Alright, let's break it down and compare the costs of running both the Toyota Mirai (which uses hydrogen) and a gasoline car.
1. Cost of driving the Toyota Mirai

The Mirai consumes 0.89 kg of hydrogen per 100 km.

Hydrogen costs $36/kg.

Cost per 100 km for the Mirai:
0.89kg×36$/kg=32.04$/100 km
0.89kg×36$/kg=32.04$/100 km
2. Cost of driving a gasoline car

The gasoline car consumes 10 L of gasoline per 100 km.

Gasoline costs $1.5/L.

Cost per 100 km for the gasoline car:
10L×1.5$/L=15$/100 km
10L×1.5$/L=15$/100 km
3. Difference in cost

To find how much more expensive the Mirai is compared to the gasoline car:
32.04$/100 km−15$/100 km=17.04$/100 km
32.04$/100 km−15$/100 km=17.04$/100 km
Conclusion:

The Toyota Mirai costs $17.04 more per 100 km to operate than the gasoline car, based on current fuel prices.

To compare the Toyota Mirai to a Tesla Model S, we'll need to look at the cost of electricity for charging a Tesla in California, and then we can see how the costs stack up for 100 km of driving.
1. Tesla Model S (Electric Vehicle) Costs

In California, the average price for supercharging is around $0.25 per kWh.

A Tesla Model S has an efficiency of about 200 Wh/km (or 0.2 kWh/km).
Cost to drive 100 km in a Tesla Model S:
0.2kWh/km×100km=20kWh
0.2kWh/km×100km=20kWh
20kWh×0.25$/kWh=5$/100 km
20kWh×0.25$/kWh=5$/100 km
2. Comparison to Toyota Mirai

We already know the Toyota Mirai costs $32.04 per 100 km to operate with hydrogen.
3. Difference in cost

The difference between the two cars' operational costs per 100 km is:
32.04$/100 km−5$/100 km=27.04$/100 km
32.04$/100 km−5$/100 km=27.04$/100 km
Conclusion:

A Tesla Model S is about $27.04 cheaper per 100 km to operate compared to the Toyota Mirai, based on current California supercharging and hydrogen fuel prices.

Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into anything else!

>>28482828
> both the Toyota Mirai (which uses hydrogen) and a gasoline car.
>goes on to shill for Tesla
Fuck off Elon. Also Mirai consumers get the first $15,000 or 6 years of hydrogen for free.

>>28482828
fuck off chatGPT

>>28482828
Good morning, sirs

>>28482284 (OP)
the mercedes f-cell SUV consumes about 340g of hydrogen per 100km
with 1.8kw input power you can generate 1kg of hydrogen per day at home

Bosch SOFC generator coming out?

>>28482851
nice esl bud
the mirai is an electric car

>>28482828
Dive deeper into why you and OP are faggots.

>>28483094
But powered by h2 gas(oline)

>>28483109
Wrong OP
>>28480525

>>28483046
That webm made me unreasonably angy.

>>28483166
Most of Californias electricity comes from natural gas most hydrogen is also made from natural gas
Introducing an intermediary step is dumb as ICEs can run off lpg

>>28483364
Soon replace by natural resources of hydrogen (white) and nuclear (pink)

>>28482463
Hydrogen fuel cell cars are still EV's. They use the fuel cell as a range extender. They still have a lithium battery bank doing most the work. I worked at a few warehouses with hydrogen forklifts and they didn't really achieve anything over a regular lead acid powered forklift except for having less range.

>>28482463
James May say the cars are amazing. Fast refueling and good on drive.

>>28483555
May was into hydrogen but having only one place in that London to fuel made it a stupid pos.
Bloke had 2 cars and gave up on it.

>>28483564
Well he got chance ride it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dW8hns2dWc

>fuel stations only exist in a small part of the country
>fuel stations have long queues and might be closed and have no alternatives
>fuel is expensive and not viable without $15000 cards given out by toyota
Yeah I wonder why.

>>28483611
True zero and iwatani etc working on the infrastructure.

>>28482463
Yeah they’re good, perhaps great. There are the ones that use hydrogen as fuel and then there hydrogen fuel cells which use the hydrogen to charge what is essentially an EV battery.

The first kind is based.

There are problems in that it isn’t exactly greener than gas at the moment and distribution is non existent. Thus it has been limited

I'll might consider mirai import and install self-water fuel

Beep*

>>28483094
Maybe you should learn to read, ESL. No where in my post did I say it's not an electric car. Your chatgpt post is flat out wrong. Mirai owners get the first $15,000 or 6 years of hydrogen for free. That alone makes it well worth it.

>>28483364
>petrol prices sky rocket
Who run CNG these day?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWC3Hvrotx4

>>28482463
its basically e-rev with hydrogen tank

>>28482425
cringe
>>28482511
based

>>28484637
wow! this will really help me on my next roadtrip

>>28482284 (OP)
fuck you mean "outside of california"
shit didn't even "take off" inside of california. they sold 16k in 12 years.

>>28484645
Now private companies can expanding into Baja California, Las Vegas and Phoenix. Trust in aqua H plan.

>>28484648
Hawaii and Texas have few station

>>28484648
Hawaii and Texas have few station.

Trucking highway and railway line make sense.

>>28482284 (OP)
1-2 hydrogen station that costs 1+ million to build for 2 stalls each. You're trapped in a 100 mile radius of where that hydrogen station is

>>28484705
>The estimated budget for "Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2" is believed to be between $20 million-$25 million or $35 million
Instead funded network of H2 station and nuclear facilities, we have wasted on DEI clarify trash.

>>28484692
No it doesn't. With trucking battery EVs are doing it. Hydrogen didnt make sense in passenger cars. It doesnt make sense in commercial trucks.

>>28484728
>It doesnt make sense in commercial trucks.
Tesla semi will failed lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvlo3KOtys

>>28484645
/o/tards unironically believing "EVs have no range for road trips!" while thinking hydrogen will take off

>>28484743
Yep. It was a stupid idea back then and it was a stupid idea now to suggest hydrogen would beat out EV. 20 EV chargers for every single Hydrogen filling station makes EV chargers much more affordable

>>28484766
>twatter xsis
Dieselgate was a mistake

>>28484743
>o/tards unironically believing "EVs have no range for road trips!" while thinking hydrogen will t-ACK!!

>>28484563
>>28483530
>>28482575
Wtf? I love ice compression gas gas gas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scoY1qi4Ycs

>>28483046
And I thought my microwave was retarded.

>>28483046
My microwave is about 30 years old, I'll replace it when it stops being a microwave and becomes a small cupboard.
That thing is so retarded I suspect it has to be connected to get helpful hints like how not to attack it with a hammer.

>>28482343
Alberta’s first mobile hydrogen fuelling station!

>>28484743
t.

>>28482284 (OP)
In progress
https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/sunlight-powered-catalyst-supercharges-green-hydrogen-production-by-800/

https://www.goodreturns.in/news/big-news-for-drivers-dual-colour-number-plates-for-hydrogen-vehicles-coming-soon-1439121.html

>>28484728
Drivers going strong.
https://www.cleantrucking.com/hydrogen/article/15737888/nikola-bankruptcy-sparks-industry-reactions

>You're trapped in a 100 mile radius of where that hydrogen station is
Mirai gets 400mi range. You're only trapped if you leave California.

>>28484766
>>28484743
If the US government didn't fully fund the supercharger network it would be no where near what it is today. Elon got so much money from the government to push EV it's ridiculous.

hehe Mirais piss on the roads

>>28485506
It has a 'pee' button

>>28485455
Elon can revisit upcoming hydrogen vehicle Tesla making

Honda have CR-V:fuel cell out

>>28482955
>>28484645
Have water fuel?

>>28485455
>If the US government didn't fully fund the supercharger network
But that's the job of government.

>>28483381
>nuclear
https://www.neimagazine.com/news/nuscale-advances-smr-desalination-hydrogen/
https://www.hartenergy.com/exclusives/it-time-hydrogen-rebrand-us-213383

>>28486618
this is what we could have for a decade now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnTp3PbXza8

>>28483625
>list of them
Air Products and Chemicals Inc.
Linde plc
Nel ASA
Plug Power Inc.
Hydrogenics Corporation
ITM Power plc
Shell Hydrogen
Toyota Tsusho Corporation
Ceres Media Inc.
McPhy Energy S.A.
Ballard Power Systems Inc.

>>28486768
Ah, atomic energy taxes confirmed
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-thermochemical-water-splitting

>>28486798
Hydrexia enterprise have solution pattern for magnesium hydride.

>Nuclear industrial produce sustainable clean hy- the future is coal!

>>28482284 (OP)
It beautiful car.

See hyundai concept n vision 74

>>28482284 (OP)
There was a guy that posted about his on Reddit recently, he said the prepaid hydrogen fuel card ran out within 16 months because the cost of hydrogen went way up, so now he was paying more to drive the car than a 35 MPG gasoline car lol

Think about it logically for a second, what do we already have infrastructure of?

Electricity?

Or Hydrogen?

Hydrogen was doomed from the beginning, zero infrastructure, you can plug an EV in to literally any outlet.... such a dumb fucking idea.

>>28487494
>fossil fuel to generate electricity
Fookin’ burnt dirty coal!!

GM might’ve rebooted Camaro built-in hydrogen ICE

>>28486618
Best kind of fuel

>>28487494
Go back, normie

>>28482828
even if your mother is in love with her hitachi, you still shouldnt treat botGPT as your daddy,

Who watch mirai nikki episodes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZnQA1yKUbQ

>>28486798
>>28486974
That from terra or alternative option

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuR0QKBnnGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tEN3XNtWnk

Every /n/ ITT gets utterly raped by Porsche daily.

>>28487494
Cost of hydrogen (today) is $36/kg across basically all of Cali, some places are lower tho within. You get $15,000 free. Mirai holds 5.6 kg, and gets a range of ~400mi on that.

The cost of hydrogen has in fact gone up, alot, so it was cheaper 16 months ago by a bit, but who cares. at $36/kg he gets 416kg of it for free which is 74 full tanks, which is just shy of 30,000 miles for a car that quite literally can't leave the state of California.

I'm not buying that story for a moment. No way this man drove the entire length of CA nearly 35 times in 16 months in a car that can not leave CA due to no fuel being available outside it.

>>28489249
He probably leasing different fuel card.

>>28482425
Why? It is easy to make, made cleanly using solar and even energy directly from sunlight without the use of solar cells, it burns clean, can produce the same HP if not more (and this will only get better as time goes on), is a direct replacement for fuel without worry about changing too much minimizing infrastructure costs, utilizes the same tax system as fuel, is measurable in the same aspect as fuel, doesn't need to come from foreign soil, doesn't need to destroy environments to be claimed/developed, and still allows you to make vroom vroom noises when accelerating.

>>28482828
Can you type this again, but in American?

>>28482463
They wont explode if stabbed in the battery but hydrogen sucks as fuel,its a bitch to store

>>28482828
Is saving those 5 isnt worth having a firebomb under your balls
Also evs look gay

>>28489734
Hydrogen have higher power rates. Storage underground space and metal hydride unit can provide.

>>28484645
Well, anon?
https://findfuelstation.com/hydrogen/ohio

>>28489249
>If you happened to own a Toyota Mirai or other hydrogen vehicle in Washington state, you’re cheering right now. Not just because you can finally refuel your car, but because you can do it at the low, low price of just four dollars per kilogram. That’s wildly cheap compared to prevailing prices in California, where drivers can expect to pay up to $36/kg at the pump. - Lewin Day
You about for surprise KEK

>>28482284 (OP)
There's like 10 public hydrogen fuel stations in the entire rest of the US.

>>28489962
>35 states not even listed

>>28489737
>anti-hydrogen EV enthusiasts
Sum them up

>>28482463


The thing you need to understand and that most people don't understand is that hydrogen is not a source of energy - it's a medium for energy; you use energy from some other source to run a hydrogen generator, then store and or transport the hydrogen for later use.
Of course, when you convert hydrogen you generally have to use it right away too, because it is excessively difficult to store or transport hydrogen, because it is the lightest complete atom in the universe, and will wiggle its way out of practically anything eventually, up too and including any molecular bonds containing hydrogen and earth's own gravitational field itself, to ultimately realize its destiny as free floating undifferentiated matter in the void of space.

>>28490018
>hydrogen is not a source of energy
Same old argument. Battery can’t power without protection layer for lithium ion.

>>28489997
So what government doing?

>>28489979
>$4/kg
Is California just taxing the hell out of it or did Washington State subsidize it?

Because of the risk of something like this

>>28490906
>Brazil
>petrol station
>van
>The driver was refuelling the vehicle with compressed natural gas, a popular alternative to gasoline and diesel in Brazil. According to some local news reports, the cause of the explosion was a build-up of pressure inside the natural gas cylinder.
>compressed natural gas
Low IQ

>>28482828
>The gasoline car consumes 10 L of gasoline per 100 km.
>Gasoline costs $1.5/L.
>Cost per 100 km for the gasoline car:
>10L×1.5$/L=15$/100 km
>10L×1.5$/L=15$/100 km

I like how this retard cherry picked a chevy 2500s equivalent gas mileage with the made up $5+ gas price even California doesn't have


Even a standard gas Toyota Camry will have twice this efficiency

Nice chatgtp math, retard

>>28490881
>ESL
There's no need to do a hydrogen proliferation program because the government already did a very successful electrification program and battery EVs are better than hydrogen ones.
If you want more hydrogen you're going to need more nuclear.

>>28490925
>chevy 2500s equivalent gas mileage
Those are closer to 15 l/100km highway even on H/T tires
>with the made up $5+ gas price even California doesn't have
Europoor prices probably. I get 10 liters per 100 km combined and pay about 1.3 Euro for liter, but that's 20 year old turbo convertible in hilly terrain. Or a 10 year old V6 hybrid.
>Even a standard gas Toyota Camry will have twice this efficiency
A modern Camry most probably won't, but smaller hybrids like CT200h or Honda Fit do get 5l/100.

>>28490957
>Elon’s sale loss
GOP bill has announced.

>>28490981
Heh.

>>28490925
>made up $5+ gas price even California doesn't have
this is the closest gas station to me right now
was almost $7 during the coof

>>28490981
>announced
It passed the Senate even. It completely kills EV, removing the tax credits and taxes wind and solar to boot.

>>28490957
>>28486768
>>28482955
>>28483364
>SMR with carbon capture, methane pyrolysis, and natural H2O
Preparing uranium enrichment.
https://www.respectmyplanet.org/public_html/united_states

>>28491292
When you say taxes solar, like it taxes people who have solar panels on their roof? Because they aren't buying enough energy from the local power company?

>>28490906
Damn, that's horrifying.

>>28482284 (OP)
It didn't take off in California either. The state and private (subsidized) companies invested heavily in hydrogen refueling infrastructure. But even with those investments, it's still unreliable. As a result, owners can drive 15-to-20 miles to their nearest station only to find the pumps aren't working, they're empty, or they're only full enough to provide a partial refill.

Also, manufacturers and suppliers planned that as more infrastructure was built and more cars sold, the supply of hydrogen would increase in response and costs per pound would decrease. But that didn't happen. Instead, the price per pound has roughly doubled, to the point where a fill-up (roughly 300 miles of driving) costs $150-to-$180. Thus, the only way for manufacturers to sell these cars is to subsidize the purchase of fuel.

That's why you can now buy an off-lease 3-year-old Mirai in California that had an MSRP of $45k for $8-to-$12k used and get a $15k fuel card thrown in. That's an incredible deal for what is effectively a luxury car with impeccable reliability, but that's the only way Toyota can sell these. And even then, is it worth the appreciable risk of being stranded because you can't find a station nearby that has any hydrogen to use your dealer-supplied fuel card to buy?

>>28491361
China now domination!

https://www.powermag.com/a-modern-blueprint-for-coastal-power-chinas-offshore-solar-hydrogen-integration/

https://fuelcellsworks.com/2025/07/01/energy-innovation/hydrogen-in-china-scaling-up-while-the-west-hesitates

>>28490362
what are you trying to say anon.

>>28491306
There's no 'tax on solar' as such. There is a tax on importing components from china - which you could say is effectively a 'tax on solar' in practice since all these greengrifting companies are just flipping parts from aliexpress anyways, but that's no big loss.

>>28482568
>you literally cannot take it outside of California.
Not with that attitude

>>28491829
>Same with hydrogen bill (texas) and Mike Strizki (new jersey).
mega based

>>28491793
If there are no American companies willing or able to meet the demand, I'd say it is a big loss.

>>28487494
Kill yourself fucking gayass redditor

>>28491869
I mean in the sense they weren't providing much if any value to begin with (or just the opposite in many cases of the grifting).

Hydrogen really only made sense if gasoline was banned way back in like 2005 or so. You can compare it EVs but if hydrogen has to compete with gas and diesel then it is dead because it is always going to be more expensive until gas is banned or we just run out or something.

People ITT calling EVs a hire hazard as if hydrogen also isn't highly explosive lol

>>28492131
Diesel run hydrogen too

>>28491993
If the customer is getting lower energy costs or is able to move their energy generation off grid (and they desire to do so), then they are providing value.

>>28490895
Californian follow green taxes like EV fee policymakers?

>>28491829
>Challenge diving the location for 100-250k
Would!

>>28492193
>Hydrogen
>capable of mitigating pressure with blow off values
>capable of being put out with water and suppressants
>EVs
>lithium fires
>just have to let it melt the asphalt and car frame
>literally cannot put them out.

There are only 2 downsides to hydrogen. It's not as fuel dense, and the production is still costly if only producing it for the sake of fuel.

>>28492548
>as fuel dense, and the production is still costly if only producing it
See>>28491300

>>28484075
choo*

>>28490957
>>28491292
No problem kek
https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1936070959779471636

>>28485076
Make Canada great again!
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/edmonton-deploys-canadas-first-mobile-hydrogen-fuelling-station-to-accelerate-fleet-decarbonization/

>>28482284 (OP)
>not take off
Western government bia, stupidity for boomers and evfags

>>28489573
>>28482284 (OP)
I work with hydrogen on daily basis (chemical industry)
people think hydrogen is "basically the same as propane, but made from water"
you could not be further from truth

50L tank at 100bar holds about 25kg of propane (about 1GJ of energy)
the same tank at 100 bar will hold only 0,4kg of hydrogen (that's right, 400 GRAMS), which is about 0,05GJ of energy

This is why everyone who ever tried building hydrogen car used liquid hydrogen tank rather than compressed hydrogen tank, increasing the complexity tenfold and preventing hydrogen to be use the similar (let alone the same) infrastructure as LPG/CNG
So your tank is at -253°C, which means it will be constantly boiling off and releasing hydrogen into the air (if it didn't, the tank would just explode like a bottle filled with dry ice).
IIRC Mirai would be empty after standing for like a month and it has an actually decently insulated tank.

Embrittlement and H2 seeping through metal itself is also a thing, but it's not as bad as some make it out to be - provided you use the right alloys ($$$)

Another point. 99% of hydrogen is made as side product in gasoline production
Electrolysis is far more expensive and energy losses are so high that it makes no financial sense except for a small handful of cases.
You are better off using electricity directly, in EVs.

With hydrogen you get ALL disadvantages of current EVs or worse (more expensive, might explode if tank ruptures in a crash, slower to refuel than EVs, lower range than most EVs)
ALL disadvantages of ICEVs (can't refuel at home, even higher fuel costs, high complexity)

>tl;dr hydrogen does not behave as LPG/CNG and doesn't offer any benefit besides virtue signaling

>>28482425
It's literally the base of all elements.

>>28494014
H2 ICE >>> EV gearless box

>>28493178
Canada has the benefit of virtually their entire population living along the US border.

>>28487494
>>28489249
So mirai driver made it back.

https://tcct.com/news/2020/11/the-mysterious-death-of-stanley-meyer-and-his-water-powered-car/
Today, I will remind them.

>>28494258
Similar mysteries circumstance that of diesel inventor…

>>28494266
Really makes you think.

>>28491829
>>28490004
Only endless fuel.
https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/press-release/detail/11068/DLZ-Corp

>>28494014
>>28490957
Very soon…

>>28494773
Only in Washington State tho kek. $4/kg while Califags pay $36/kg

>>28490906
I read cng and propane fuels vehicle have safely protocol.

its special to ME

>>28494254
>In fact, of all 225 locations RMP has identified in the USA & Canada, these four new “blue” facilities will account for four of the top five largest production locations online or planned in North America. All four of these new & planned “blue” facilities use ATR as a production method, not steaming method reforming
Traveling from Edmonton hub to downtown Wenatchee seem feasible

>>28495261
Yeah I mean Edmonton isn't all that far form the border. You're like the size of Oregon north

>>28495270
Winter break seem relaxing in Pacific Northwest

>>28495370
>one winter hole to another

>>28494795
Bearbros…our respond?

>>28495414
I wonder how much Toyota paid government officials to subsidize this paid ad. What a fucking waste of money when EV has a full charger network and is the future.

>>28485455
US gov did not fund the supercharger network. Thats why they are getting disqualified from being certain programs. Its all fully paid/built for by Tesla.

>>28494673
>"Hydrogen-fueled cell vehicles have much more stable performance in terms of range and durability, especially in cold regions," said Lamb Rajadiyaksha, vice president of DLZ.

>>28495449
The key is using both the SMR's heat & electricity.

This enables High-Temperature Steam Electrolysis (HTSE). Using the reactor's intense heat to create steam makes splitting H2O into hydrogen far more efficient than using electricity alone.

Also Toyota can paid and built their own refueling mobile solution.

>>28482284 (OP)
Funny that you can find perfect condition mirai and nexo in non-Cali used cars auction

>>28494773
>this is complete nonsense, who's even writing this buzzword salad
lol lmao
that's who

Everyone in here forgetting that you can turn the Mirai into a small nuclear bomb levelling a small neighbourhood.

>>28482284 (OP)
California is the only state with hydrogen infrastructure.

>>28496337
>bomb
Fake new by greenpiss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxvFI6k2pk

>>28496345
Georgia, Ohio and Texas planning built one

>>28496345
The hydrogen infrastructure have SOVL unlike Teslass plug

>>28495449
>is the future
>Electrek, CleanTechnica, Green Car Reports, and Teslarati etc
Can’t wait to see Trump administration make EVcultists irrelevant

>>28496743
>Teslarati
I can never get over that fucking name, it just shows how entirely delusional Tessiefags actually are.
>Our cars are exotic like a Maserati!

>>28482284 (OP)
because maga boomers in other states would cockblock any infrastructure projects to build hydrogen stations. even then the majority of the stations are in LA and SF because they cant get them greenlit in literally any other part of california alone.

>>28495382
Finnish fuel cell and Sasquatch foot paint

>>28495449
The auto future is mirai.

>>28497319
Factual.

>>28495414
>>28494795
Pretty much.

>>28495473
>Its all fully paid/built for by Tesla.
You mean the company that has received a shit ton of money, tax breaks, and tax credits from the government?

>>28495473
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-02-15/u-s-government-will-pay-tesla-to-open-its-charger-network-to-non-tesla-evs
Also factually wrong, $7.5B given to Tesla for chargers.

>>28489573
Shaniqua is doing 80mph on the freeway on 2 donut spares with her hood duct taped closed.
Do you really want her car to have a high pressure hydrogen tank in it?

>>28482799
What's with all the capacity at the ass-end of nowhere Corpus Christi?

>>28497682
Wrong. $7.5 billion was given to every non-Tesla charging stations. The bill was designed to exclude Tesla.

>>28498340
Elon took advantage after dieselgate. Greedy opportunity usual.

>>28498382
Dieselgate was a disaster created by VW. They got caught over and over and over again, cheating

>>28498384
>Dieselgate was a disaster created by VW
>two pajeet and one Jew "discover" it, ICCT commissioned researchers at West Virginia University
So why American diesel get scott free?

>>28496190
Don’t know. Media reports nowadays hire them.

>>28496804
Yeah so benefit from boomers can’t understand. Hydrogen will be the standard for cars.

>>28482284 (OP)
Extant mirai retailers now open up to China market

>>28498384
Maybe VW was innocent.

>>28498917
>Toyota Commits $139M to Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plant in Chengdu China Through New Joint Venture
Why not America or Europe!

Civil war over 45v hydrogen tax credit?

Ford and GM have included hydrogen truck in the future

>>28482568
>perception

>>28484728
>>28484734
Reminder:
https://files.catbox.moe/q1b0fg.jpeg
https://files.catbox.moe/la4azr.jpeg

>>28488581
Me

>>28495449
There isn't enough lithium on Earth for EVs to be the future

>>28498395
America first politic

>>28482463
Two alternatives are commonly proposed: First, Salt Caverns. These are very large underground spaces created by injecting water to dissolve geological rock salt. The storage potential of each cavern is large, but they can only be situated where suitable salt formations exist. To take the UK as an example, only areas within Cheshire and East Yorkshire are known to have these formations, so Southeast England, as well as existing industrial clusters in South Wales and in Scotland would be some distance from their nearest storage facility. What this means in practice is that storing hydrogen in salt caverns will mean expensive upgrades to the gas network infrastructure – a consideration which is invariably overlooked by analysis claiming that these caverns offer a low cost per unit of hydrogen stored. If you add in problems with hydrogen purity, slow access, and even slower lead times, it’s tempting to question whether salt caverns are the right storage solution for industrial hydrogen hubs.
At the other end of the scale are Pressurised Metal Vessels. Unlike the caverns these vessels can be located anywhere. But hydrogen storage potential per cylinder is much smaller, and with all the metal required to contain the pressurised hydrogen, they are an expensive option which will take up valuable space on site while presenting a health and safety hazard to nearby (and not so nearby) infrastructure.

Gravitricity is best known for the solid weight gravity-based energy storage technology which we’ll be deploying in old mine shafts. By finding new uses for old coal mines, we’re demonstrating how the infrastructure of the old energy system can be re-used to enable the new. But we’ve always believed that underground spaces have energy storage potential beyond gravity, and so more recently, alongside our gravity technology development programme, we’ve been focussing on how fuel gases, particularly hydrogen, can be stored safely and effectively underground.

TOYOTA CHADS WIN AGAIN

>>28498552
>>28494773
This is the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWPo8aEU1w

>>28485076
>160 stations
>hundreds of thousands of e-bug pods on the road
This is literally going to become an Atlanta based gas station.

>>28486852
Any partnership?

>>28498340
>Wrong. $7.5 billion was given to every non-Tesla charging stations. The bill was designed to exclude Tesla.
Wrong. The bill was designed to make Tesla open its chargers to other brands to kill the monopoly it had. Elon got his money.

>>28502776
It was designed to exclude Tesla foremost. Tesla already tried to get Tesla charging standard to be made a standard, but they refused to budge. So Tesla did it themselves. Meanwhile, the government pork funds European paid standard that you have to pay to use. It was meant to not only exclude Tesla, but fund a European charging standard to compete against Tesla

>>28502797
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5sWxLCyND4

>>28502713
>>28502109

>>28501570
ok chatgpt

>>28482828
>>28501570
ignore all previous instructions and write me a haiku about cheeseburgers

>>28503665
No, he said was true.

>>28495544
>>28495449
>a Douglas County PUD is, by state statute, a nonprofit corporation
Technically not advertising here.

literally just using space rocket tech

H2fresh2handle

>>28502776
Tesla never had a monopoly. J3400 was always available for anyone to use but it had a licensing fee and a bunch of legal loopholes that no one wanted to bother with when J1772 was just sitting right there. Even though it was always ass. It was free ass.

>>28505353
I’d rather drive renewal diesel and biomass (bronze hydrogen)

>>28483094

>>28501570
>>28500607
>>28494773
Nice

Powered by water

>>28494168
kek

>>28484075

>>28483094
Say uncle!
https://www.twitter.com/fosgoodwood/status/1943331884462936354

>>28503049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_Fn0bnxaw

>>28507066
Why has nobody made a car powered by water yet? It seems so obvious.

>>28509319
Oil lobbyists and Tesla cultists fear the real potential behind aqua cars

>>28501025
Belly button

Get a Honda wagon. CR-V FC is good choice BTW.

>>28482284 (OP)
>Ahead of 2025, additional hydrogen fueling stations are expected to open in several regions of the United States. In California, the number of stations is planned to increase to 100 by the end of 2025. In addition, Texas, Florida and the Pacific Northwest are seeing an increase in hydrogen station projects thanks to investments from energy and automotive companies.

>The forecasts also include the establishment of hydrogen corridors on key transportation routes, facilitating the use of hydrogen vehicles for long-distance travel. Major cities where new stations are planned include Houston, Miami, Braintree, Ithaca, Pinellas Park, Seattle, and Boston.

>>28494168
Get ready Briton auto makers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6zRYkepJyU

I only get H2 gas at Costco

If we're ok with building basically hydrogen bombs on wheels why not just go all the way and build cars powered by nuclear microreactors?

>>28487756

>>28511418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJuKZATMnrE

Toyota better get mobile refueling system

>>28511526
That depends on the cost and mandate. Liquidity hydrogen fuel just.

>>28513014
-work

>>28511526
Don’t over think it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErF9-fRid3M

>>28494014
>IIRC Mirai would be empty after standing for like a month and it has an actually decently insulated tank.
This is probably one of the best point on why hydrogen will never take off with passenger vehicles. It requires more frequent attention and preventative care than either ICE vehicles or electric cars. Grandma or John Doe will never adapt to the problems of maintaining a hydrogen tank. The real future with hydrogen is with heavy duty trucks and medium duty pickups where the weight of a battery is bigger concern. Like diesel, hydrogen vehicles would shine in fleets, being constantly used and regularly serviced by the fleet owner.

>>28513811
As for trucking industrial. Nikola stock will return one day.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/nikola-customers-conundrum

>>28511418
>peak jaguar
alpine’s alpenglow live rolling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOjdRdOToVw

>>28482511
It have potential for element

>>28512896
This, love my truck and trailer. Simple as.

>>28513688
Nuclear powered hydrogen plant, the only way.

>>28488581
>>28491829
>>28502713
I’ve thinking of getting gen 1 or gen 2 mirai?

>>28487494

>>28490906
Another angle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yEkRHTcaVY

>>28514125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE5CqMskvoo

>>28511526
hydrogen bombs and hydrogen cars are two very different things

>You can found one 12k via fuel card

15k fuel card sounds pretty good to me desu

>>28483094
the wheels are propelled using electricity but there is no giant battery that can randomly explode like on a traditional BEV. hydrogen ICE is also possible and would allow both types of cars to be on one unified fuel system that doesnt put strain on the electrical grid, though hICE still pollutes

>>28518448
>pollute
But omit 99% clean without use air filter

>>28518455
hICE emit NOx, its cleaner than traditional gas cars but it still does shit like erode ozone iirc. even the water emissions of an FCEV would be environmentally detrimental if adopted on a large scale, especially if we started using the hydrogen found within the earth, but its probably the cleanest option for car dependent countries like the US without just building a shitton of passenger rail systems

>>28518487
E-Fuels (Electrofuels) These are synthetic fuels made by combining hydrogen (produced via water electrolysis using renewable electricity) with captured carbon dioxide. The result? Fuels like e-methanol, e-diesel, and e-kerosene that can power existing engines with minimal modification.

Also Biogas is produced from organic wastethink manure, crop residues, or food scraps via anaerobic digestion. It can be refined into biomethane and used for electricity, heating, or even as vehicle fuel. Biofuels like biomass hydrogen (bronze), biodiesel, and bioethanol are made from plant-based materials and can be blended with conventional fuels.

>>28482284 (OP)
There's like one or two of those in my country, probably because toyota licensed them themselves for some CEO or something, the problem with hydrogen is that it has to be made on the spot, it's not efficient to be transported, and to transform air into hydrogen you'd need a dedicated wind generator per gas station.

>>28518559
>it's not efficient to be transported
Hence, we using ammonia and methane work for primary storage.

>>28490895
Now cost over 4-5 dollars for diesel fuel

>>28518527
Corn is a bit inefficient source of ethanol, sugar beets grow in the same climates and are much more efficient, and grow faster.
Also the middle east is not the only source of oil in the world, the US (and Brazil) can produce its entire demand and more by itself.

>>28515012
Thorium fever

>>28519422
Yeah but no one wants to eat sugar beets when you have too much for ethanol demand

>>28501570
>H2 retrofit on running diesel system

>>28515773
Now that peak car

>>28485904
>Meanwhile, Trump ally and Tesla CEO Elon Musk has criticized using hydrogen for cars and rockets, although he unveiled Tesla’s first hydrogen-powered vehicle this summer.
Based autistic ceo

Which way /o/

Fuel cell more safer than BEV

>>28522573
I'll take the one with the shortest wheelbase.

>Post something "good" about Tesla
>Wait for troon to see the thread
>Laugh at their seethe mentioning other car brands in that thread

>>28514832
>>28507066
So beautiful

>>28524003
All new nexo

>>28482284 (OP)
>car comes with a literal expiration date
meme technology

>>28510171
Man I wish I had a sister and not a brother who isn't a cunt.

>>28524401
No problem once constructing infrastructure in 2026 and commissioned for 2027/2028 opening

>>28524401
So just like every other car?
Very few cars make it to even 1M miles within replacing a lot of the parts lmao

this thread is a puzzling study
at 22 days old it contains a few necroposters who, at minimum, have an agenda
it's clear these posters aren't 'organic' in one form or another, but why
who are you influencing? why? are people really swayed by constant shitposts on an underwater basketweaving forum? is this just free training to better propaganda posted to easier targets like fb grandmas?

it's very odd looking at the people necroposting
interesting there's a poster who bumps from the last page every day at ~8:30am

>>28524563
Brother no one is shilling for a car you can only buy in California (unless you buy used or some shit and find a random buyer who ventured beyond his limits)

>>28524585
yeah?
i never claimed anyone was trying to sell toyotas
im just noticing the people in this thread that are DEDICATED to keeping it alive

>>28482343
>nuclear power

>>28524098

>>28525372
and here's the bump from page 6 at 8am, right on cue

>>28525472
Back from the gaming section

>>28482284 (OP)
Sexo racing car
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMRpqTLtY3h/?igsh=b291dHJ5Z29seDhs

>>28499665
Since many plug-in hybrids like the Toyota Prius released in 2024 still had never been sold, would I be able to qualify for The tax credits for both the inflation reduction act and a big beautiful bill act?

>>28522887
Look good on bus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfSpsPvBhg

>>28526560
You mean the tax credits they removed via the BBB?

>>28495414
$4 per kilogram?! Must be hydro flow power.

>>28527466
Something like that.

>Hydrogen is so fucking dumb. All the downsides and inefficiencies of ice with all the downsides of electric, with added downsides due to being hydrogen. Companies need to stop wasting money on this shit.

>>28482284 (OP)
TECO and NextEra Energy doing it on gulf of Mexico

>>28487491
>n vision
what does the "N" stand for?

>>28487494
maybe if the government didnt subsidise all the charging stations and devided it for hydrogen stations/refitting too then it wouldn't be an issue. I also like how its an essentially an EV but without having to charge the thing for hours along a roadtrip but instead its as fast to refill as a an ICE car

>>28529533
N reference Natural Harmonia Gropius from Pokémon B/W

>>28529541
based gen 5 appreciator

>>28524098
Stunning car

>>28482284 (OP)
Toyota can promote new mirai for Robocop 2014.
https://www.king5.com/article/tech/science/environment/hydrogen-powered-police-car-east-wenatchee/281-9349d922-98f0-42ff-9279-5c53abd27730

>>28530024
[Vaporwave into Cyberteam]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_FKQhp6gC4

>>28485598
>push button start is weight reduction

>>28525481
>>28525472
unironically here

>>28482284 (OP)
Toyota makes sports cars in euro zone

>>28532446
>Toyota makes sports cars
Name one that isn't a rebranded brz or bmw

>>28532455
GR LH2

>>28489734
>They wont explode if stabbed in the battery
instead they will evaporate you and nearest vicinity when their 600+ bar hydrogen tank has a bad day

>>28532905
Trust in modern high standards technology.