Thread 28485412

>Porsche cut 1,900 research and manufacturing jobs across its German facilities in February, citing a "delayed ramp-up of electromobility." Now, its 2025 sales revenue goals are cut by around $2.2 billion (€2 billion) and an additional 8,000 jobs are at stake, according to German publication Automobilwoche.

>Hölscher told Automotive News that it didn't have to be this way. If Porsche had adopted “a more flexible production approach," with more plug-in hybrids and shared platforms, such as BMW did, it would've been able to adjust more quickly to shifting trends in demand.

Nigger windows.

it's almost as if charging 230k for a car that competes with a 90k car wasn't a very profitable endeavor.

>>28485426
Apparently Ferrari makes 100,000 on every car.
What if every car was 100,000 better than a Prius.

>>28485412 (OP)
Believed government bullshit about an (effectively) immediate ban on new gas cars without confirming that the customers would be on board with it.

it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that this EV boondoggle was never going to catch on. the fact that these guys bet their company's future on it is insane.

>>28485459
The Eu/France bullshit that will basically cost you 100,000 to have a petrol car is apparently green.
Surrender monkeys.

>>28485412 (OP)
>So, what went wrong?
everything

>cayman
nobody wants an i4 porsche, and the 6cyl models are absurdly expensive

>911
dunno about burger prices, but here in the eu, they're ABSURDLY expensive.
i literally just specced a carrera s and ended up at 250k euros. that's a carrera s. not a 4s, not a gts, not a turbo, not an s/t or a gt3 or anything. a carrera s. 250k.
and im not even gonna mention how much it costs to get the ones enthusiasts actually want, the NA manual ones.

>panamera
nobody wants a porsche sedan. or a sedan of any sort, for that matter. which is stupid, but its the current state of affairs, sadly.

>taycan
nobody wants an electric porsche
especially not one that's 1.5x the price of a plaid for a base model, and 2.5x if you want it to be as fast

>cayenne
probably the only ones that are selling well, certainly the ones i see most often IRL.
and, absurd pricing aside, they are actually good. i mean, per the reviewers, i don't own one. but the consensus seems to be that if you want a sporty suv and don't have purosangue money, its the best option.

>>28485487
>nobody wants an electric porsche
I like the electric Macan quite a bit, and I could see myself buying one new. The cabin is rather nice, and it handles its weight very well.
Agree on most other points but the 911 is just too big to be much fun on back roads now. They should have kept the narrow body around for at least the base Carrera and the S.

>>28485503
>I like the electric Macan quite a bit, and I could see myself buying one new
that's not a porsche, its a q4 e-tron with extra steps. also way more expensive.

and i honestly cannot see sufficient reason why you should buy it over a model y or a model x. both will be FAR better at being EVs, the Y will be far cheaper, the x far faster and larger and not that much more expensive.
i mean, sure, build quality and materials, yea.
but is that worth 30-40k more when compared to a model y(that's for a base macan, btw. never mind the fast ones)? or giving up the windshield, the falcon doors, the 6 seats, the bigger interior space and the 1000hp of an x plaid?
like, how much do you like fancy leather, bro?

>>28485468
They want western countries to be like Singapore. Being able to have a car is not guaranteed, you pay out the ASS for it, you live in a pod. You are completely under their control.

Poo-rsche has been raped by Xiaomi

>>28485412 (OP)
Frankly the CEO was retarded for not seeing through the green media overhype of EVs. Sorry but every right winger was laughing about this for a decade. Germans are so fucking retarded when it comes to religion politics and over doing everything. Hence the 30 years war and Nazism. They just fell for their own stupid meme this time with green energy. Ironically the less exciting truth is Porsche should focus on building cars people want to drive for 60 years and selling parts to maintain them which is far greener than building disposable EVs that are trash after 8 years.

>>28485510
I don’t think it’s a Q4 Etron which is MEB, I think it’s PPE which is a Q6.
>>28485487
911 is such a rip off it’s a laugh. I want one but what they ask for an open diff McDonald’s strut turbo slop C2 is a joke.
Not that they even make them. It’s all the special edition stuff that keeps the afloat.

I think they’ll end up moving to the Ferrari market with 911 and drop the C2 and Cayman all together. They’ll prob run the Panamera bc it’s just good sense given Bentley can share the cost. The macan cayenne are good btw if you must have a crossover but they’re subject to import tariffs due to the nature of them being German made to justify the price. It’s not a good business case at the moment. Porsche had a perfect storm of bad things going on all at once. The large dealer network was built for being a seller of rebadged Audis and some 911s so they can’t even easily pivot to a Ferrari priced competitor.

>>28485577
>I don’t think it’s a Q4 Etron which is MEB, I think it’s PPE which is a Q6.
yes, you're right, its a q6

but my point stands tho. its a model y size car with model x price. the y beats the shit out it in value, the x beats the shit out of it in many ways.

Tesla and Kia/Hyundai make better EVs than Europe, and now China is gearing up aswell. Traditional car manufacturers are used to easy wins. The EV market is highly competitive and requires big innovations in a year-to-year basis. ICE market meanwhile is slow and more dependant on brand power. The traditional brands failed to transition into highly competitive and innovative companies. They are getting humiliated by the likes of Tesla and Hyundai which is embarrassing considering the state those companies were in a few years back.

Fact is there is no point to opt for a German, British or Italian EV. Those companies realize they lost the war and are going back to their guaranteed money source again.

>>28485604
>Traditional car manufacturers are used to easy wins. The EV market is highly competitive and requires big innovations in a year-to-year basis.
i think is less about any of that and more about 3 other things
a) trad mfgs completely missed the boat on battery investment. tesla obviously didn't, and the koreans and chinks had very extensive domestic production already set up
b) trad mfgs are trying to protect their existing ICE product lines. eg look at the g-class. merc could EASILY have shoved 1000hp in the ev version, it has a big enough battery pack. but they wanted the v8 biturbo g63 to be the top of the range, and it wouldn't do to have it be slower and 300+hp less than the ev.
c) trad mfgs have never been strong in software, which, in the absence of ICEs becomes way more important when choosing a car. in the past, merc could half ass their infotainment and rely on the big amg v8 to sell the car. that is not the case anymore. but software competence takes decades to build. also, this last one applies to the koreans and chinks too. nobody touches tesla on this front.

>>28485585
Frankly a macan is much worse than a Q5. Idk anything about the macan EV except that nobody wants them. Again, we have to look at Porsche and who buys them and ask why the CEO signed off on this. Nobody actually wanted EVs let alone people buying Porsches.
They fell for the Green Party / Reddit over hype meme. Audi is fucked too btw. They’re like 5 years away from climbing out of the massive hole they dug starting 5 years ago. But they have PPC so they can atleast sell ICE cars at volume. Porsche has only Tarriffed volume cars and special edition 911s to work with

>>28485412 (OP)
I only see milk toast suburbanites drive macans, usually wamyn.
I assume it's the same as VW CUV, but with nicer fake leather and a slightly louder v6.
So why would you want a 911 if you had money when this is the face if the brand?

>>28485671
VW uses transverse engine fwd cars with a clutch Haldex ‘AWD’.

Audi uses longitudinal engines mounted on the front axle with a center differential and true AWD.

Macan takes the Q5 and drops the center diff and adds a clutch pack to engage the front axle for ‘AWD’. Basically it has all the downsides of an Audi engine placement but none of the upside of infinite traction. It just sucks at everything. It’s cheap as fuck to make relatively and costs more bc Porsche can sell it to woman who want the badge

>>28485716
I think these luxo brands forget that they sell their cars on white male supremacy. And I'm not talking about white males who buy them, they are the least impressed by their own brothers. But all the post menopausal women, Indians, Arabs, Chinese, they all look up to an image of a cool powerful white man.
If the brand becomes a mirror and show their current actual customers who they actually are, they will stop buying to because they don't see themselves as high status.
They need the illusion or the brand dies.
And I see all of the euro luxury brands do this, they will get some temporary benefit for a generation or two of cars.
>I don't think Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini will have a single high end model in 30 years or so unless they do a 360 and walk away from what they are doing now. It will all be upmarket CUVs.

>>28485716
The bigger issue is Audi has been stuck with the MLB platform since like 2007 or something and refuse to make an all new one. They are on v3 of "mlb evo" and call the new a5 a new platform but its not.
Both Macan and Cayenne are FWD-based and MLB based.

>>28485412 (OP)
Maybe if they made an actual SEDAN it'd actually sell. What they have currently is a fuckin' long gay hatchback lifted on fuckin old-man-appeasing, beancounter inspired, hilariously HUGE, MONSTER TRUCK stilts bmaooo

>>28485412 (OP)
Nobody wants an electric sports car, full stop.
The money they spent on electrification would have been better spent bribing and threatening the unelected EU bureaucrats who decided these stupid fucking electrification mandates in the first place.

>>28486015
>Nobody wants an electric sports car, full stop
They do. It's just that far better options exist than Porsche.

>>28486032
They don't. That's why they're not selling in any real numbers, and the threat of being forced into soulless electric transport pods is causing people to rush out and buy what few analog experiences are still available.

>>28486053
Tesla Model 3 doesn't sell in real numbers?

>i-it's not sporty because I say so!!

>>28486059
I notice you've switched from "sports car" to "sporty", muskdrone. And no, no one cares how fast your appliance can accelerate, that's not the only criteria for a sports car.

>>28485412 (OP)
Don't believe their lies.
Electric Porsche sales have grown massively in 2025 compared to 2024: +389% Q1 '25 compared to Q1 '24 (March '25 was +503% compared to March '24), +204% May '25 compared to May '24.

Their problem is that an electric Porsche has a way, way lower margin compared to a combustion one. This badly eats into their net profit numbers. And electric Porsches have lower maintenance costs compared to combustion ones, meaning lower post-sale revenue streams.

>>28485487
>nobody wants an i4 porsche
People do
Just not for Porsche money

>>28486236
There's also another massive fundamental issue affecting multi-brand companies.
With combustion engines, you can easily segment your products, based on what engine-transmission combos you (don't) offer.
With electric cars, it's really fucking difficult. A 350-hp motor, and a 450-hp one have the exact overall driving characteristics. One is just a bit faster than the other. Same with battery sizes. They do the exact thing, one just lasts longer.
Meaning that people are more likely to go for the Q6 e-tron, instead of the Macan. After all, it's the same car, just a bit cheaper.

>>28486236
They probably wanted to raise prices hoping the competition would fold, or that government subsidies would persist (free gibs) but neither happened. EV competition is only ever getting fiercer as the race for the ultimate battery grows ever more heated.

This is also why Slopyota gave up on EV. They don't any incentives to venture outside of their boring ass Uber hybrids to continue reap massive profits off idiots.

>>28486348
It's more than that. The dumbo "2035 combustion phase-out" gave them a means to upsell electric Porsches to randos. "Oh, sorry, we can't sell you a 200k combustion Porsche. But here's a 260k electric one". And, yes, the gov't gibs you mentioned.

With those going away, they had to lower prices in order to move units. And they do. But, the lowered prices mean shit margins (at least by Porsche standards), since electric cars are more expensive to make (a fair number of parts have to be bought outright from 3rd parties, instead of subcontracted to subsidiaries or joint-ventures).

Check out these links, and note the sales percentage increases for Porsche. Absolute figures are low, true, but Porsche were never about large volumes anyway. However now those low volumes also come with low margins, hence their bitching.

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2025-march-q1-europe-best-selling-electric-car-models-and-brands/

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2025-april-europe-top-brands-models-and-electric-car-sales/

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2025-may-europe-top-brands-models-and-electric-car-sales/

>>28486358
man, i can't wait for the model y changeover effects to go away so we can stop seeing those retarded "tesla sales are down a ultragigabajillion %" articles....

>>28486365
Thing is, Teslas are pretty fucking ugly. And, drivetrain efficiency aside, their only selling point is the streamlined infotainment system. Which some potential buyers seem to start being put off by, owing to the slowly growing movement away from "LITERALLY everything on a centralized touchscreen". Note VAGina being top sales (when adding up all their brands), despite the still-mediocre state of their main user interface.

>electromobility fails after government support wavers
unimaginable, I'm completely surprised
>But Tesla
Tesla was only profitable when they were selling carbon credits to other manufacturers that didn't have compliance EVs yet.
>But profitability isn't teslas business model
Yes, but you can't drive an entire economy on just investors overvaluing all companies, forever.

Fabricated destructive creation cycle has failed, oh my Schumpeter, how dare it.

>>28486386
>electromobility fails after government support wavers
Sales are mostly holding steady, even with the "gibs-b-gone" shock. But manufacturers had to drop prices, eating into their margins.

>>28485412 (OP)
>So, what went wrong?
Ugly
Slow
Gay

>>28486348
>This is also why Slopyota gave up on EV.
Japanese makers hate electric cars, because they have to buy batteries from Chinese, or, Allah forgive me for uttering the name, Koreans. This puts pricing out of their control. The biggest domestic company, Panasonic, doesn't have the production capacity, and Yuasa, Hitachi etc. even less so.
The only company doing large-scale electric car production is Nissan, and that's mostly as a remnant of Ghosn-era policies.

wow, Toyoda-san was right this whole time?

>>28486370
>Teslas are pretty fucking ugly
its subjective, but i always liked the x/s, and im much more partial to the new 3/y than the old ones.

>drivetrain efficiency aside
>streamlined infotainment system
my nigga, you mentioned 2 of the most important things in an EV. well, the latter applies for all cars, but yea.

>the slowly growing movement away from "LITERALLY everything on a centralized touchscreen"
doesn't apply here.
remember, the whole "put everything on a screen" trend was started by tesla, and it became so widespread because people loved it. on teslas. but then every other mfg sucks at software, so their version of it sucked, and now everyone is against the one screen to rule them all thing.
but it still works on teslas, just as it did when they first did it

>Note VAGina being top sales (when adding up all their brands), despite the still-mediocre state of their main user interface.
yea, i really have no idea what's happening here. from what i've seen from reviews, the vag evs suck ass, and not just the infotainment (tho that is by far the worst part of it). i guess too many people are NPC and anti-elon right now.

>>28486412
>remember, the whole "put everything on a screen" trend was started by tesla, and it became so widespread because people loved it. on teslas. but then every other mfg sucks at software, so their version of it sucked, and now everyone is against the one screen to rule them all thing
no it wasn't you fucking faggot
tesla did it because it was CHEAP and EASY
it LOOKS CHEAP and FEELS LAZY
so people HATE IT because it's STUPID and ANNOYING
has nothing to do with software, controlling a car with a screen fucking sucks.

>>28486425
>tesla did it because it was CHEAP and EASY
no, they did it because it played to their strengths and allowed them to sidestep their weaknesses
tesla had immense software capabilities, but they didn't have decades of experience designing interiors, buttons, etc and to do it well.
bmw eg knows (well, knew) how to design a great interior with buttons and shit. they knew where to put everything, what to make everything out of, how to build it all so that it lasts a long time and feels good to use. they had the supply chain to do all that, they had the workers and machines to build it well, etc.

but tesla didn't. as a new company, they couldn't even figure out panel gaps, let alone how to make a $100k interior.
so, make it minimalist, put everything on the screen, leverage the software skills to make it have great UX, and later for buttons and all the rest.
and it worked EXTREMELY WELL.

again, remember, *it started a trend*. it wouldn't have if people didn't like it.
but people did like it, they liked it a LOT, and that's what prompted every other company to start copying it.
but other companies can't into software, so people hated all their implementations. *their* implementations. not tesla's.

>>28486388
Gibs in Europe will not go away just the 2035 ICE sales ban went away. In the US they're either gone very recently or are going to go away relatively quickly, meaning the sales records are people who want to buy while gibs are still in place.

>>28486435
>>tesla did it because it was CHEAP and EASY
>no, they did it because it played to their strengths and allowed them to sidestep their weaknesses
no they did it because it was cheap and easy
just slapping seats in an empty, dull, featureless cabin with an ipad in the middle
garbage

>>28486443
They were either removed completely, or severely cut back across pretty much the entirety of Europe. It was a big news item last year.

>>28486412
>my nigga, you mentioned 2 of the most important things in an EV. well, the latter applies for all cars, but yea.
Tesla efficiency isn't that high, compared to several of its current rivals. It's not some massive difference, like 11 kW/100 km to 14, it's more like 13.3 to 14.
And the most important feature of a *good* infotainment system is to be unobtrusive. Tesla's is anything but, since everything car is routed through it.
>muh set and forget
Copium for people who should own a robotic pod subscription, not a car.

>>28486469
Whoops, mixed up my units. It should be "11 kWh/100 km".

>>28486411
No this dumb Jap is just damage controlling.

>>28486411
He was and Toyota owes him big league for how they treated him

>>28486398
This explains a lot. You'd otherwise think Japan would love the transfer to EV due to huge and dense cities coupled with good availability to electricity unlike petrol which is imported.

>>28486469
>Tesla efficiency isn't that high, compared to several of its current rivals.
ill grant the gaped has diminished, but its still very much a thing.
and the important thing about it is not the slightly lower electricity cost per mile, but rather that tesla can match a competitors range with less kwhr, which means lower price and lower weight. or, alternatively, offer more range for the same weight/price/kwhr. an extra half mile per kwhr matters.

>And the most important feature of a *good* infotainment system is to be unobtrusive. Tesla's is anything but, since everything car is routed through it.
wtf? how is tesla's infotainment is obtrusive? most of the time you don't have to do anything to it, and when you do, you can almost always manage with a voice command.

>muh set and forget
>copium
anon, its not copium
if you have driver profiles and electrically adjusted seats, you only have to set them once, and at most change the profile if some1 else has driven it in the meantime. ditto for the climate control and vent settings, ditto for the car settings.
its not the 80s. you don't have to manually manage your aircon. and tesla's aren't bmws, there aren't a bajillion drive modes and settings to mess with. throttle response, susp firmness (only on s/x/ct) and that's it.

>>28485795
Neither the Macan nor the Cayenne are FWD based, retard. They are RWD based. Porsche re engineered them to be that way, they didn't just take audi trash and sell it as a Porsche. With a few seconds of effort you could have learned this.

>>28486236
Post the raw numbers and percentage of overall car sales at Porsche, otherwise you are being deliberately misleading. 394% increase doesn't mean much when they hardly sell any Taycans. Post source.

>>28486481
>You'd otherwise think Japan would love the transfer to EV due to huge and dense cities coupled with good availability to electricity unlike petrol which is imported.
Big problem is, Japan's national domestic user (i.e. not industrial) grid is absolutely shit. As much as Europeans meme on US folks for not having easy home access to three-phase, Japan is worse. There's a reason why kerosene heaters remain popular, despite kerosene being imported.
You'd think those far-infrared radiant panels would be super popular, on account of their power and efficiency, but apparently they're not particularly well-known compared to other countries.

>>28486505
Porsche sold a total of 25.229 units in Q1 2025, of which 9.929 (a bit over 39%) were electrics.

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2025-q1-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-and-brands/

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2025-march-q1-europe-best-selling-electric-car-models-and-brands/

>>28486481
I believe the reason EVs aren't successful in Japan because of the culture.
Japanese buy cars half as often as Americans. Japan only has 0.6 registered cars per person compared to 0.9 in America.
Nearly half of all Japanese live in apartments and wouldn't have a place to charge.
Most gas stations in Japan are still full service. People who have never had to fill up their own car before might find it embarrassing to have to charge their cars themselves and clean their own windows. This point however is purely speculation. But I know in America there were and still are a lot of people who were reluctant to learn how to pump their own gas.

>>28486526
nta
that's euro numbers, which are greatly affected by the enormous taxes imposed on ICEs here
picrel is US numbers from the same source, and they tell a vastly different story.
a story which is best summarized as
>nobody wants an electric porsche
>also, nobody wants a 4cyl porsche
>also also, nobody wants a porsche sedan
>people want cayennes and 911s, and mostly the former

>>28486554
People in the Porsche target public don't really care whether they pay €100 or €2000 in yearly car tax. Also, the kind of person who would buy a Porsche has a house with a garage and 400 V three-phase current (also highly likely to have solar panels), meaning 11 kW home chargers [400 V x 16 A x sqrt(3) phase] are extremely likely (can get pretty much any battery from 0 to 100 on overnight charge).
Hence the large percentage of electric Porsches compared to gas ones, especially after they were forced to cut prices on them (leading to the aforementioned shit margins).

>>28486503
ok well they are both still based on the ancient mlb platform
I just think Porsche are tacky and loud and I don't care all that much about them
I prefer quiet stealthy luxury

>>28486548
>Nearly half of all Japanese live in apartments and wouldn't have a place to charge.
They would likely not be able to anyway, regardless of space, since grounding is some sort of eldritch knowledge to them, and electric cars won't charge from an ungrounded circuit.

>>28486548
>But I know in America there were and still are a lot of people who were reluctant to learn how to pump their own gas.
It's just New Jersey and Oregon that have self service
everyone else has to pump their own gas whether they like it or not

>>28485412 (OP)
>Pushes globo homo agendas
>Why are we going out of business?

Fuck em

>>28486584
Yeah that's how it is *now*
But people are always reluctant to change. The only reason self service pumps took off is because of the 1973 oil embargo. People only went to self service pumps to save money on gas.

>>28486614
are you even american or did you read about that on wikipedia just now

>>28485412 (OP)
>I NEED A HERO

>>28486554
>that's euro numbers, which are greatly affected by the enormous taxes imposed on ICEs here
>picrel is US numbers from the same source, and they tell a vastly different story.
Porsche USA sold just a bit over 76k units in 2024.
Porsche Europe sold nearly 107k units in the same period. That's a 40% increase.

Hence leadership sperging and reeing. If Euro sales numbers remain the same, while the electric to combustion split (~39.3%) continues throughout the year, their profit will be in the shitter. US can't offset the massive loss of profit from electric units sold in Europe.

>>28485426
It’s the same with all these car companies. Ford blames EVs for poor Mustang sales, Nissan decommissions the GTR because of EVs, so does Dodge with the Challenger. Wait and see the cope when Chevy ends the Corvette or goes full EV Corvette.

The hard truth these guys won’t admit is that while it’s true on one hand making ICE cars instead of EVs is leaving money on the table, the main reason they can’t make up for it with strong sales of their ICE bread and butter vehicles is because they are gay and expensive. It doesn’t matter if you’re talking about a Mustang or a GT3RS. They’re all overpriced and boring.

Innovation in the auto industry has completely stagnated while consumer credit and a dissolved used market have inflated these vehicles to unsustainable prices. If EVs are going to be the new meta for the manufacturers the least they could do is be innovative and make them cool, but they can’t even do that.

>>28485466
The companies need it to catch on because their money is coming from shit like carbon credits now.

>>28486697
the issue is they wont invest in new platforms, new engines, or better interiors

>>28485671
In my mind, Porsche’s are the ultimate wannabe vehicles. Entry level “car guys” insist with you that they’re the best while the only people who actually buy them are rich boomers who want to flex their income but don’t want the Mercedes because they have cheap options now and can’t afford a Lamborghini.

>>28485786
That’s a good point. So which automaker is currently selling cars with the image that they’re for cool powerful white men? Any? Most don’t even show people in their ads anymore.

>>28486700
companies gave up on having well crafted, artisan interiors its all the same big giant screen shitty piano black or garish white or red for 3k extra
not porsche
not bmw
not mercedes
not audi
nobody does nice interiors anymore
maybe morgan

>>28485564
>Porsche should focus on building cars people want to drive for 60 years and selling parts to maintain them
I don't understand why car manufacturers don't do this. The profit margin in dealer parts departments is so utterly outrageous. They'd honestly make more money on parts sales than the actual cars

>>28486348
>>28486398
>>28486481
Uh oh retard alert. Go look up the price of electricity in Japan and how it is generated, go look up the 2011 earthquake and what crucial infrastructure it fucked up (a nuclear power plant, dumbass) and consider for a moment how mountainous Japan is, where steep inclines absolutely rape EVs.

>>28486705
Porsche at least still integrates their screens

>>28486584
It's not even the law in Oregon anymore. There's self-service and full service now.

>>28486939
>consider for a moment how mountainous Japan is, where steep inclines absolutely rape EVs.
consider for a moment how half of japanese live in the city where it's flat as a pancake...

>>28486945
that's not really the issue though
I miss buttonslop

>>28486398
>>28486518
I think this is very close to the truth.
There is a reason why Tesla fabs batteries, even if most of them are cooperation with Panasonic and other suppliers.

>>28486939
nta

>Go look up the price of electricity in Japan and how it is generated
its about 25c/kWhr, which is not great, but still easily cheaper than fueling an ICE

>consider for a moment how mountainous Japan is, where steep inclines absolutely rape EVs.
any circular path, like, i dunno, a commute for example, will always have a net elevation of 0. you might consume more going uphill, but its going to be offset by consuming less, or even being net positive, in the downhill.

tldr you're a retard

>>28487000
>its about 25c/kWhr, which is not great, but still easily cheaper than fueling an ICE
I paid barely any more for gas in Japan than what I do back home on the west coast. I rented a Nissan Note E-Power, a hybrid that averages over 80 MPG. The average rural Japanese drives a kei car that gets around 50 MPG.
>any circular path, like, i dunno, a commute for example, will always have a net elevation of 0
Lol you'd know if you commuted in any large American city that this isn't always possible. Commuting out of Portland I frequently found myself avoiding certain freeways at certain times and going uphill or downhill more than my commute in.

>tldr you're a retard
You're gonna have to do better than that, Elon.

>>28486956
>>28487000
Kek you niggers are genuinely stupid, assuming I said ANYTHING about a daily commute. The Japanese don't go on as many road trips as Americans but they absolutely cannot afford the luxury of a second car, as a rule. Why the FUCK would they want to be pigeonholed into an EV as their only car?

>>28486961
There's loads of buttons for your autistic ass to fidget with in traffic. Just turn the temp or fan speed up and down.

>>28487018
>I rented a Nissan Note E-Power, a hybrid that averages over 80 MPG
no, it doesn't. not in the real world.

>The average rural Japanese drives a kei car that gets around 50 MPG.
kei cars are for urban residents, dumbass

>his isn't always possible
unless some1 moves your house to a higher elevation every time you leave for work, your commute IS ALWAYS NET ZERO ELEVATION YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING MORON. IT STARTS AND ENDS AT THE SAME ALTITUDE, THE ONE OF YOUR HOUSE.
you're far too stupid to be an LLM, must be a jeet.

>>28487030
>no, it doesn't. not in the real world.
Faggot mutt, shoot your family, then yourself.

>47.8 kilometers per liter =
112.433 us miles per gallon
That's not from me hypermiling, or driving down from a mountain. That's just from me driving the fucking car out of Shirakawa-go to Takayama.

>when one of Elon's jeets is calling me a jeet
Kek I broke this cuck. Post your hand, pussyboy. Your gay little EV dream is going up in flames, just like your nigger-rigged cars.

>The Note was introduced with a series hybrid drivetrain in late 2016 as the Note e-Power.[5] Due to its popularity and the push of electrification, the third-generation Note is only available with the e-Power drivetrain, with a WLTC fuel economy of 29.5 kilometres per litre (69 mpg‑US).[6]
Bros I don't feel so good...

>>28486503
>>28486574
Woah woah. Wrong. All MLB cars are FWD based. The Q5 and Q7 and Cayenne all Audis are FWD if you remove the center diff.
The Panamera is MSB and is RWD.
The Macan and only the Macan is mounted for FWD but had a long prop shift to be RWD but then had an x drive like clutch to engage the front axle. It’s really really silly and makes no sense at all except that it had all cheapness of a FWD package but none of the expense of real AWD.

>>28486717
Porsche doesn’t really make money repairing cars though I do think they literally charge $400 to stamp Porsche on various VAG parts been cars.

>>28485418

If you don't have a tint of at least 30% you're either a faggot, a retard, or a boomer.

>>28485412 (OP)

The problem is that nobody fucking wants EVs because charging time is too long and range is too short. Until you can get 300 miles of charge in 5 minutes or less EVs will never take off. Any responses to this are just cope and you know it.

I barely know anything about the brand but IMHO it was a mistake to make their first EV a sports car. People buying sport cars from Porsche want an ICE.
The target demographic for EVs is the dads and moms buying Cayennes. A big luxury fast SUV with a prestigious badge that can seat 7 people? Yeah that would actually sell well given that their main competition would be the Tesla Model X whose interior looks like a barren wasteland.