Thread 28489596

how is the jeep wrangler so good at off roading its never been beat by anyone else?

>>28489596 (OP)
Jimny

>>28489611
retarded euroweebcuck

>>28489596 (OP)
They're good because they have a massive aftermarket. Stock they're pretty lame.
Even the fucking brits managed to line up the pumpkins so you dont have to drag 2x as much dirt but did Jeep? Nope.

>>28489596 (OP)
its a street legal atv, and its not that great

They built a reputation of being mechanically reliable, fairly inexpensive yet common, huge aftermarket, and prior to the nu-bronco nothing else on the road looked like a jeep. Many jeeps were known to hit 150k miles of kinda hard use and that I6 engine would still be going.

Today they're $80,000 luxobarges with so much shit that can go wrong on them and often do have things go wrong. the 4xe wasn't in production for like 6 months because of how expensive and unreliable it was. They now have competition from the bronco and jeeps are still good off roaders, but now they're all 4-door with a truck bed, they're just not as good anymore.

>>28489596 (OP)
TJ's are GOAT and no one will ever convince me otherwise. I also like how /o/ will circle jerk to purpose built vehicles like the miata but the instant a wrangler gets posted all hell breaks loose.

>>28489611
Niva, Samurai, Rocky, Pajero, Kubelwagen

>>28489681
I had some great fun as a youngster with yjs and tjs. Just solid little vehicles

>>28489680
you can still buy a base wrangler. 2 doors, v6, 6 speed, not much else. the only "luxobarge" features it has are power locks and windows.

>>28489710
Yeah, and it comes with chrysler reliability issues being far from the simple, reliable, and good jeeps from 15+ years ago.

>>28489716
Meh, no one makes reliable vehicles anymore. Even EVs that should be more reliable by default due to having less mechanical parts won't last 10+ years without expensive repairs.

>Wrangler
Not even the best Jeep

>>28489665
>Stock they're pretty lame.
This.
Theyre light duty
>it was a jeep thing, but all that shit broke
Literally their motto.
Theyre only worth a shit when you throw the parts catalog at it, otherwise a camry will make it down the same trails.

>>28489596 (OP)
Jimny mogs this pos.

Light compared to many other offroaders. Good angles with the wheels at the corners. Manual with a huge aftermarket selection of diff gearing, lockers, and axles which can be easily swapped. Said gearing improvements can help with adding larger diameter tires for better clearance and approach angles.
They used to be cheap, 10 years ago a Pentastar 6-speed was $19k new. I know because I got one new in 2015 for under 20k.
A smart person buys the base sport model and swaps out the diffs and axles to be better than a higher trim for less money.

>>28490269
>Dude just throw away the axles and swap out your case to be comparable to a stock Rubicon
LMAO

>>28489596 (OP)
>garbage 1940s suspension
>death wobble
>rolls over in light breeze
>awful road noise
>handles like a dog crate on wheels
>"I'm a jeep girl!"
>ducks

These things are giant piles of shit and shouldn't be allowed on the road. If you're going sub 40mph and want snapped drag links at the slightest obstacle, go buy one. Ford had twin I beam starting in the 60s? Why can't Chrysler update this?

The best off roader is in use by terrorists all over the world, the hilux.

>>28490421
Because you'd swap out the same stuff if you wanted to really off-road a Rubicon too, so why not pay $10k less for the sport with the same engine and transmission?

>>28489596 (OP)
we literally banned all 4x4 imports you nigger

>>28490433
>The best off roader is in use by terrorists all over the world, the hilux.
Only due to availability.
When the engine seizes they send Hakeem into town with his AK47 to steal another truck and the first thing he comes across is another hilux so he crushes the owners skull with his rifle butt and drives it back to camp.

>>28490433
hilux isnt really best by any means, its just perfect balance+best enaugh. best would probably be patrol or army g wagon

>>28491521
>>28490433
hell, troopy is probably actual best but have fun driving that pos everyday

>>28490457
No one is doing koth with a jeep sport. It's a waste of money and a stock jeep will go 99% of places that don't involve intentionally destroying your vehicle.

>>28491521


I'd say something like the Audi dakar buggy or baja trophy trucks are probably the best 'conventional' examples of overland mobility on a 4x4 platform. Things like the flyer-72, desert patrol vehicle, or tomcar are in this conversation as well.
If you wanna be more radical, you got things like the m520 goer or m561 gamma goat.
If you wanna be even *more* radical, well, examples don't exist, but I got ideas.
The most common way things get stuck is mud and snow. The second most common is blown tyres. And the third most common is high centering. You can reduce the third problem by jacking up ride heights, but this is like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. It doesn't solve the fundamental problem; which is, lack of traction under the center of gravity.
You can solve lateral high centering by adding another row of wheels or using tracks, but nobody has yet to implement the obvious solution to longitudinal high centering, which is wheels in the middle too.

>>28491664
>like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound
Thats literally how you triage it to prevent a collapsed lung.

>>28489596 (OP)
Americans don't exactly have a lot of (any) solid front+rear axle off roaders to choose from nowadays so it kind of wins by default here.

>>28491591
I kept my Wranger stock. I'm just saying if you DO intend to upgrade gears, axles, wheels, and suspension anyway, as many do, then you'll save money buying the cheapest sport model.

>>28490433
>>garbage 1940s suspension
filtered by leafs

>>28491705
Well, yes, for a given definition of 'band-aid' (big hand sized adhesive plaster closed on all sides).

>>28491737
>closed on all sides
Incorrect.
You want one side open so air trapped in the chest cavity can exit on exhale but the flap will seal against the wound on inhale to prevent additional air from entering the chest cavity.

>>28489916
You're a furry

>>28492270
That's right, but that's also just proving the original point that there is no conventional band-aid you can buy from a convenience store that does that job.

The defenders of the same era kicked the shit out of them right out of the box. Similar sized tires and axle clearance but the chassis and body are that much more higher so the approach, break over and departure are amazing. Also the constant AWD and selecting the center lock on the fly are good as well.

>if you are driving with locked or straight hubs you more likely can grab 4x4 on the fly once you have the front shaft rotating and are driving straight as well.

>>28489596 (OP)
Why doesn't it hold any altitude records? How come you never see Jeeps driving to the poles? Why don't Jeeps dominate the desert racing scene?

>>28493260
Ikr.
So weird how the ultimate offroad vehicle gets destroyed offroad by F150s and mini coopers.

>>28491664
>pic
needs a smooth road to run

>>28493260
uhhhh cause they use specialty vehicles instead of lifestyle vehicles that can go into 4x4 sometimes?? stupid anon

>>28489916
Is this the dogfucker? I’m glad you turned your trip off.

>>28493324
Dogfucker doesnt own anything that clean.

>>28492554
Blackbear is a fun pass. Just remember to set your parking brake.

>>28490433
>06:34:47
made by a busriding eurocuck/ausfaggot that has never, EVER, wheeled. We need to rangeban these non-american faggots that have zero knowledge aboput anything and the board will improve tenfold.

prove me wrong bread on hood, you won't faggot

>>28493260
>Why don't Jeeps dominate the desert racing scene?
They do you fucking retard

>>28489916
Fuck off Ethan

sorry, how many dakar wins does jeep have?

>>28494000
4

>>28494001
keep lying retard.

>>28494002
>Editing wikipedia because she's wrong and upset
Big yikes babe

>>28489921
>otherwise a camry will make it down the same trails
crown vic too, with some butthurt to boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

>>28489596 (OP)
Too short, can't sleep in the back. How do they continually fuck up a nearly perfect car camping vehicle? They need to bring back the LJ wheelbase. More narrow to fit on paths and longer for a reasonable amount of cargo space.

>>28494010
edit it back then retard

>>28489921
it's a quarter-ton truck. it's supposed to be small and light so it fits in a cargo plane that'll airdrop it over Normandy.

>>28490433
>complains about the Jeep having live axles whilst singing the praises of another vehicle with live axles
we get it, you watched Top Gear. that doesn't make you an expert on cars.

>>28493217
Defenders have worse departure angles (massive rear overhang), and don't have available F+R lockers like the Wrangler does. What the Defenders do have going for them is they still were primarily designed as utility vehicles so you could get cab chassis variants and a factory PTO, and even a 1-ton chassis. stuff Jeep hasn't offered since the 70s.

>>28494000
how many wars has Toyota won?

>>28490414
>off roading
>long ass wheel base
That's a pavement princess just like nearly every trugg is

>>28494268
not all off roading is rock crawling. prerunning does better with longer wheelbases because it's more stable, and the Raptor was specifically designed to be a factory prerunner like the Toyota Tacoma TRD.