>"They have far superior in-vehicle technology. Huawei and Xiaomi are in every car," Farley added. "You get in, you don't have to pair your phone. Automatically, your whole digital life is mirrored in the car."
>"Beyond that, their cost, their quality of their vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West," Farley said.
>"We are in a global competition with China, and it's not just EVs. And if we lose this, we do not have a future Ford," he added.
>"I don't like talking about the competition so much, but I drive the Xiaomi," Farley said of the Xiaomi Speed Ultra 7. The SU7 is Xiaomi's maiden electric vehicle.
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>>28490593 (OP)
jim farley has a fairly prestigious background. of course people like him would be humbled by chinese tech, but he's not thinking from the perspective of the average fat retard lumpenprole mutt. ford is doing an okay job of pumping out $40k base model shartmobile trucks for a heaving underclass of debtmaxxed retard slaves. just keep doing that, that's all he needs to worry about.

>>28490593 (OP)
>US bans huawei and xiaomi
Yeah, we'll say for "security concerns" when we know its just a security concern you have no control over.

He's right though; basically all of the car makers in China got together and agreed on a loose set of standards so consumers don't have to pretend to be myopic and stick to their "brand" of cars because its the only one with that trademarked and copyrighted features certain consumers really fucking want.

They're cheaper and supposedly higher quality because there isn't some fucking union demanding $80/hour to install 13 bumpers for the day before mandated 7 hour breaks. China isnt' fucking around with improving shit to be competitive on worldwide sales while companies in the US divise idiotic ways to making the profit report look slightly better to get a larger bonus next quarter.

There is no god damn reason a pickup truck should be starting at $55,000. They've been making that shit for 30 years now. Its just a slightly different shape currently. It should be getting cheaper, not more expensive year over year.

>>28490593 (OP)
The Chinese (and even the Koreans to some extent) exposed western automakers as huge con masters. They offer more for less. America has to resort to tariffs to preserve its dying and irrelevant domestic industries.

>>28490609
It is getting cheaper and the savings go to shareholders not customers

>make ugly schizo-design jellybean car with gorillion pounds of useless gadgets inside
i sleep


>. "You get in, you don't have to pair your phone. Automatically, your whole digital life is mirrored in the car."

no shit dumbass china is a surveillance state your whole digital life is mirrored on xiaomi's servers by order of the ccp

>>28490634
>no shit dumbass china is a surveillance state
Is the US a surveillance state as well?

>>28490609
>They're cheaper and supposedly higher quality because there isn't some fucking union demanding $80/hour to install 13 bumpers for the day before mandated 7 hour breaks.

UAW claims labor is 5-10% of car price. toyota US labor is non-unionized and it's not any cheaper. things are expensive because certain vehicles are deliberately price gouged (truck margins are considerably higher than crossover/sedans) and everything is expensive in general because the american economy is one of middle men and scams, layer after layer of up-charges and other nonsense.

>>28490640
yes but it's american so most of the time it doesn't work

>>28490641
>UAW claims labor is 5-10% of car price.
Because the UAW on -average- pays auto workers like $150k a year, in reality its just like the teachers unions whereby the only people getting paid 6-figures and up are karens, HR, managers, spokespersons, and jerkoffs in an office somewhere while the workers doing actual work get $19/hour. They can skew how much of a car's price is "labor" by omitting all of the bloated salary jobs not actually involved with building a car or teaching a student I don't remember who i'm talking about anymore.

Part of US carmaker's problems also are engineers are getting paid silly amounts of money to re-design parts that simply do not need to be re-designed. Why are you paying a couple jerkoffs to re-design the F150's door hinge when the old one works just fine. Oh to save 4 cents on the bill of materials? Perhaps even in the same fucking model year stop releasing slightly different parts that are completely incompatable because you felt like improving a part and saving a few pennies so over 12 years it pays for a month of engineer salaries?

>>28490641
Don't bother. He has a set of talking points he needs to run through to push an agenda.

The real reason things are so much cheaper in China is scale of production. The West has a massive parasitic ownership class that largely feeds itself off of passive income, and so increased production capacity becomes a problem for people who want to monetize access to existing assets.

>>28490641
By his logic Korean car makers should be the cheapest and most profitable: they're dealing with Korean and non-union southern US Labor.

>>28490652
The actual term you're looking for is legacy costs: it's literally millions of boomers GM/Ford promised lifetime healthcare upon retirement, and instead of those boomers retiring at 65 and dying at 72 they're living to 90+ while the car company itself is having to compete with better products from Japan.

And that's the cost for them to move more products. Otherwise it'd be like Dodge selling the same pickup (Ram Classic 1500) for 12 years or Nissan barely selling the Titan. The redesigns are necessary because every truck buyer wants a pickup that's as fast as a Corvette, as good on gas as a Prius, and as luxurious as a S-Class all while being able to tow 20,000lbs+.

>>28490652
>toyota US labor is non-unionized and it's not any cheaper.

>>28490652
>Part of US carmaker's problems also are engineers are getting paid silly amounts of money to re-design parts that simply do not need to be re-designed.

this is exclusively a ford thing

>>28490593 (OP)
The Ford CEO has been sucking their dick for some reason.
I'm assuming it's to appease the communist party to allow them to sell more Fords in China

The Guy was saying that China's ability to process payments with a phone with somehow advanced technology

>>28490689
>The real reason things are so much cheaper in China is scale of production
they're also likely interfacing directly with component/sub-component manufacturers. meanwhile you drive a mutt vehicle and you need to pay the goy tax (profit margin) to bosch, ZF, denso, michelin, etc.

>>28490706
>I'm assuming it's to appease the communist party to allow them to sell more Fords in China
No. Nobody in bingbongtown china is cross shopping a Ford explorer with a Xingjang SUV. Farley is basically hitting the panic alarm seeing cheap Chinese cars are about to take over the planet crippling sales on basically everyone other than Toyota. He's trying to rally support by showing China basically just started making cars and they're already as good or better than 75% of the shitboxes rolling off the assembly line today.

>>28490609
>no IP laws
>companies directly funded by CCP
>slave labor wages
>no DOT/EPA regulations in manufacturing/safety
Gee no wonder these are such cheap and advanced vehicles.

>>28490652
>Because the UAW on -average- pays auto workers like $150k a year.
Nope
Those numbers are always wrong because they include benefits.
The average wage there is around $35 an hour.

But even if the average wage was $10 an hour, the company would just use that extra money to pay shareholders.
Nothing would change

>>28490715
Car companies suck China's dick because they want to sell their cars there.
They don't actually believe what they're saying.

>Amerifats blame unions but not their middle bosses that earn six digits by just sitting on their asses
This is why you're a failing nation.

>>28490741
shroedinger's car:
>cheap because they cut so many fucking corners
>ban it because its a security concern

>>28490652
Ah yes Anon, we should reduce US wages to Slave labor rates like China that should lower car prices.
I'm sure car companies wouldn't funnel that extra money into shareholder's pockets.

>>28490747
That's not schroedinger at all. It is a security concern. UK ordered all Chinese (Huwawei) internet and radio infrastructure removed from their country. African countries are filled to the brim with surveillance from the CCP technology. It is proven fact that Chinese technology comes with spy hardware. They also cut corners on everything. These two statements are simultaneously true.

Amerifatistan was only ever an impressive nation when rest of the world was ravaged by WW2 and the Cold War. With the playing field increasingly evened out, America is losing its unfair edge. No doubt America will try to trigger another world war soon to reset the score again.

>>28490711
>component/sub-component manufacturers
They still have profit margin you commie retard.

>>28490756
component/sub-component manufacturers are likely subsidized and controlled to some extent by the chinese government, just like the battery manufacturers and automobile manufacturers.

it's all within china and all controlled to some extent by china. it's undoubtedly more efficient than an american company building in mexico and paying profits to independently operated german, japanese, chinese, american, etc. component manufacturers that charge prices """supported by the market""" (translated to monthly payment terms for american consoomcattle.)

>>28490766
>private companies BAD
>everything should be controlled by daddy government
Ok commie retard.

>>28490772
i likely make considerably more money than you and i work in a very 'capitalist oriented' role at a company you've likely given money to in the past year. you've probably heard about some of my work on television.

>>28490772
But Miggers love daddy government and big tariffs imposed by TACO.

>>28490593 (OP)
Just what in the fuck is with these american CEOs cucking out to competition and making these weak fucking statements. The hell is going on here.
Can't/won't compete with Tesla so fuck it, side with a foreign corporation for socially hostile business maneuvers?

Absolutely shameful.
Kill him.

>>28490748
Majority of actual getting-shit-done job wages -are- effectively slave labor, just enough to get by and save minimally if you do absolutely nothing but live cheap and go nowhere.
The rest of the jobs are makework bullshit and overpaid paper pushers who are doing Jack Fuck All Of Nothing 80+% of their days.

>>28490783
>>28490786
Lmao. What kind of retarded cope is this.

Chink automakers are selling in the west at a loss in order to kill off legacy carmakers. They've got the funding of the CCP to play the long game and infiltrate global markets with underpriced electric shitboxes which they conveniently possess (as a country) all the raw materials and the entire supply chain for.
Don't fall for it.

>>28490805
you're a mentally retarded hourly laborer, aren't you?

>>28490807
No.

>>28490806
if chinese vehicles are an inferior product then the rational consumer will choose not to buy them and superior american vehicles will come out on top -- especially american consumers, who are wealthy and intelligent. also it's very cowardly for china to engage in direct economic warfare with america, a superior country which will undoubtedly win. why does china not instead engage in proxy wars which yield bloodshed, ideally for the benefit of israel? everyone knows a government exists to defend israeli interests, to functionally enslave its citizens with massive national deficits, and to prop up non-competitive businesses which are part of a pervasive domestic scam economy.

>>28490806
>They've got the funding of the CCP to play the long game
Any other State with a non-convertible floating currency that it issues itself could do the exact same thing. They all have theoretically unlimited cash.

>>28490806
They also cornered the battery market the same way, they bought and then shuttered American makers
China has been winning an economic war with us that our politicians have been knowingly surrendering for decades

>>28490823
Yeah our political class is losing on purpose to enrich themselves.

>>28490748
>Ah yes Anon, we should reduce US wages to Slave labor rates like China that should lower car prices.
Thats what you got out of my post? We should continue paying bloated overhead but pay workers less?

>>28490823
Yeah but MMT is bad for everyone else because reasons and the need to tax citizens to death blah blah blah.

So
>USA has not produced a single good vehicle in +20 years becasue of shareholders
>China produces a decent (albeit) shitbox for mass use.
>USA shits itself because shareholders are not arking in multi millions a quarter and istead they get some millions
I feel like americans are just retarded and the chinese outed the whole car market as a scam, I for once, feel thankful for the chinese, the only logical way for this to end is to have a good american car market again with good cars

>>28490593 (OP)
what the fuck does ford know faggot, they don't build the 5.8l anymore, obviously they have shitbrain fuck chinks im not reading all this shit

>You get in, you don't have to pair your phone. Automatically, your whole digital life is mirrored in the car
That sounds fucking horrible though. Nobody wants electric bullshit

>>28490911
this image would evaporate a chinese person

>>28490963
At least some of the people who treat cars as appliances do want a "modern" interior and theyre the same kind of people who own an Alexa or Google smart home assistant thing that listens in on them 24/7.

>>28490692
Hyundai and Kia usually are cheaper, yes.

>>28490911
I know in Europe Kia has basically replaced Volkswagen and Volvo as the go-to value family cars. Now that's Korean but it does highlight consumers getting fed up with obscenely overpriced and unreliable shitboxes and opting for higher value cars. The western car industry just got too dumb, lazy and greedy. They got sucker punched by the EV revolution even though the writing was on the wall. They failed to adopt to modern consumer behaviors. Now it's too late. Germans aren't considered class leading anymore. American cars aren't considered cool anymore. All the big innovations are outside of these domains.

>>28490593 (OP)
I'm tired of this Chinese dicksucking as Farley drags the reputation of Ford through the mud. The reliability has gone to complete shit falling to near Audi and BMW levels which is flat out infuriating.

Fuck you Ford and the money chasing plan of leases instead of sales you fell in line with the rest of the bottom feeding brands selling their name on the cheap like a $20 hooker with nothing to lose.

>>28490609
>while companies in the US divise idiotic ways to making the profit report look slightly better
this is the problem with every major american company. "line must go up" is the absolute worst thing. i forget the details, but i heard that if the line doesnt go up, then you're vulnerable to legal action on the grounds that you arent acting in the interests of the stock holders. in fact, i think i recall it being something ford related, or like ford set the legal precedent through some unrelated business or something. regardless, it is the core of the problem. businesses arent allowed to genuinely reinvest in themselves, coast by on previous profits through a period of downturn in order to take risks and shoot back up. no, we have to streamline everything to appeal to the lowest risk with the highest return. thats why we see such stagnation in the entertainment industry and endless remakes/sequels. easiest way to make the line go up is to just increase costs. look at what happened with covid: they claimed "shortage" but there were never really any bare shelves, only wildly increased prices and record profits. costs of everything go up, so the material cost of trying something new goes up, which increases the risk of the return not meeting the cost and resulting in failure. its a vicious cycle where you're forced to circle the wagons on stagnation and double down, while simply increasing prices for absolutely no reason other than the legal gun to your head that "the line must go up".

>>28492023
it was dodge v ford motor co. often cited as a legal precedent of maximising shareholder wealth but it's really just saying a company can't act against the interests of its shareholders, but they can act in ways that justify long term interests of shareholders. shlensky v wrigley is a case that many people see as that of moving away from the "line must go up" mindset that many people saw the dodge v ford case as upholding

>>28490593 (OP)
>You get in, you don't have to pair your phone. Automatically, your whole digital life is mirrored in the car.
ew

>>28491925
>They got sucker punched by the EV revolution even though the writing was on the wall.
I think suckerpunch is too generous. They have a lot of capital tied up in engine building and the various components that go into that. There's a lot of capital tied up in oil. Without out, a continent like Europe would make the same logical decision that the Chinese did with regards to electric cars.