Is there a better stock cat for the money?
>0-60 in 4 seconds or less
>12 second quarter mile
>American v8
>Last pony standing

>>28491195 (OP)
RBP.

In Canada you can get an M240i xDrive for the same money
>faster
>better interior
>better infotainment
>better fit and finish
>more reliable
>better auto trans
>better handling (no, Ford throwing 315 R compound tires on doesn't mean it handles better)
>better rust proofing
>more tunability
There's pretty much no point in the new 'Stangs

cat?

>>28491202
Car. Typo

>>28491201
Also just a much classier car. You show up to an interview or date in the BMW and you're going to send a good message, they'll know you've got good taste and enjoy the finer things. Show up in the 'stang and they'll wonder how many murders you've committed.

>>28491213
Women like dangerous men

>>28491224
For a fling, yes.

>>28491195 (OP)
>>0-60 in 4 seconds or less
5 seconds if you're lucky

Man they pushed the 'stang into expensive territory while also making it uglier inside and out.

As much as I prefer the American V8... damn I might have to agree with the brown canuckistani who suggested the m240. I mean yeah it is about $10k more expensive and not particularly great looking but when youre spending that kind of money on a shitbox you may as well enjoy your time in it.

>>28491366
>I mean yeah it is about $10k more expensive
Just optioned both US cars. M240i has the premium package and metallic paint, GT is a base w/ only options being wheels and performance exhaust. An equivalent GT Premium is about $2k under the 240, and that's without the performance package. WTF Ford

>>28491224
All the stupid women

>>28491195 (OP)


It's the most accessible v8 in the market now (by default if nothing else), but I think the ecoboost version is a much better value proposition desu.
Same handling, 4.5 0-60, 30+ mpg, under 35k price. Lot of cars on the road both slower and less efficient and more expensive at the same time.

>>28491225
>>28491448
AWALT

>>28491201
a camaro is better than the BMW at all those things despite being a decade older at this point.

>>28491563
Remind me it goes back into production (spoiler alert:never)

>>28491439
>Mustang is too expensive!
>This "base model" is 53k!
>All I added was a $1000 paint job and $1000 wheels and a $1600 muffler.
>I can't believe it costs so much

>>28491453
How stressed out are the ecoboosts? Do they grenade after 100k?

>>28491630
>he doesn't know

>>28491201
The only points I would refute you on are the interior, fit and finish, reliability, better auto trans lol, handling, rust proofing, and tunability. So basically everything.

Anyone can install a Hellion twin turbo kit (under hood or remote install), supercharger, or use a standard tuner module on a mustang. Last I saw, there aren't many 1000hp M240's driving around.

>>28491656
>and a $1600 muffler.
Man will spend $1600 on a muffler (standard on all mustangs btw) and omit the optional turn signal (its free)

>>28491690


Over a decade or so when ford first introduced them they had all the issues you might expect. Common bugbears like turbine bearings burning out, carbon build up, and oil leaks, got addressed in the 2017 redesigned versions; then all the new issues that cropped up with the new redesigned version like cam phasing or faulty ignition coils were addressed in 2020 updates.
Basically, you want a model built in 2021 or later. Trial and error has built up to this point and ford is benefitting now from being an early adopter of smallpot boosting.

>>28491720
Good to know, thanks. Wouldn’t mind a convertible one of these.

>>28491720
>Early adopter
>The 2010s

>>28491798
>first turbo mustang was 1979
>gm didn't have a turbo camaro until 2016
>chrysler never made a turbo challenger, is rumored to finally get the new turbo I6 though

>>28491630
>Car goes out production
>Suddenly ever single one of them ever sold disappear overnight

I had a lot of cars on my test drive list and an S550 GT Performance, M240i and M2 were on it. The S550 was fine but didn't resonate with me. When I tried to test drive the BMWs the sales guy hem and hawed about it despite being eager on the phone. After about half an hour of "asking their manager" I walked and went on to this Camaro.

Its amazing to think about how a 1SS was 38k-43k depending on year with the 1LE option being another 7k yet is still faster
than the S650 GT (48k+) and hangs with an M240i/M2 (52k/67k)

>>28491803
>First turbo in a car was by Oldsmobile in 62
>80/81 301 Turbo Trans Am
>81 Yenko Turbo Z
>89 Trans Am 20th Anniv.
>Muh pontiac not chevy

Its all the same shit from the same production line. Muscle car buyers didn't want turbos they wanted bigger engines. Even if that was to their detriment and a smaller HO engine was better having the bigger number on the fender was what sold.

>>28491656
How poor are you that you wouldn't order paint and wheels on a new car? Is everyone supposed to drive a gloss white rental spec?

>>28491699
Not only is the Mustang less refined and built to a lower standard, but even if you can match a B58 BMW in terms of raw numbers you'll never put the power down as reliably. Ford is just asking too much money for not enough car

the latest ones are so ugly.

>>28491272
Camaro tranny cope

Brownmobile

>>28491938
Albino pedo cope

Now that the dust has settled how does the M2 stack up vs the M4?

I believe M2 has bucket seats now and all the M4 options.

>>28491213
It's the other way around in America. Boomers LOVE LOVE Mustangs to the point they'll start conversations and ask you about the car. Cops give you extra leeway for having a straight piped V8 while they assfuck every minority running a burble tune on their leased BMW. Unironically owning a Mustang or Corvette is one of the easiest ways to network with local boomers.

>>28492001
completely not true. Corvettes yes. But Mustangs are trashy cars 99% of them on the road clapped to shit driven by trashy people.

No one even wants the new ones.

>>28492001
I loathe BMW but Americans are not generally known for having refined tastes.

>>28491195 (OP)
Real men are going for a M2 instead of a mutt shitbox

>>28491201
>xdrive
into the trash it goes

>>28492022
nice bait.
M2 is for poor people. Real men go for the mighty 911

>>28492073
>Real men go for the mighty 911
Real men caused 911

>>28491195 (OP)
my cat was free

>>28492001
>buying a mustang will enable the "random boomer encounter" event
Thats not a positive

>>28491201
>auto only

>>28492101
meow

>>28492109
good boomer karma = overlooking traffic offenses, loud cars, and starting small talk which leads to job opportunities and dating their daughters/nieces

or would you rather be approached by every teenager and genXer about your sick sti bro?

>>28492010
the same people that are into b58 bmws in UK are into them in America (young brown teens)

>>28492073
>there are loads of cars more expensive than a 911
so where does it stop? m2 is a car accessible by just about any car enthusiast that isn't 16 years old. you really have to work for a 911 and most hard-working enthusiasts are usually like +50 when they can afford a 911 AND to track it often like you're supposed to. otherwise it's just trust fund and etc rich fucks with no interest in cars

>>28491828
What a silly poster of an image. All that shit to run about 1 second faster and 25mph faster than a STOCK Coyote engine. Imagine buying an $80,000 BMW, then putting another $20,000 of work into it to be slightly faster than a stock mustang only to cite the fit and finish is slightly better on a car costing nearly double.

>It features a Gen II Coyote engine with a JLT cold air kit, and Matherly, a mega fan of manual transmissions, rows gears with a G-Force G101A transmission and a Ram clutch.

Its not even running an automatic for instantaneous shifts like a BMW too.

>>28491201
>Canada
>Muh BMW
Kek of course it's a jeet or mudslime yapping about Brown Man's Wheels

>>28491825
I'm not the one complaining adding on things that cost more and then complaining about how much the things cost.
Besides that I would never ever pay for OEM parts like that. Aftermarket wheels and exhaust are always going to be way better.

>>28492297
And you're the arbiter of whiteness, aren't you buddy? Just ignore the infinity niggers you mutts imported and instantly, willingly mixed in to your gene pool 200-300 years ago.

>>28492118
All BMWs should be automatic as their manuals are exclusively bad

>>28491195 (OP)
I would love to buy a v8 but I do not trust
>European cars
>American cars
>Chinese cars
>Korean cars
This leaves me with only Japanese sports cars which have at most a v6 in them (currently in production).

>>28492296
>Imagine buying an $80,000 BMW
Here we cope. A new M240 can be had for less than a GT Performance Pack and the BMW still dumpsters it in many aspects despite the power and tire disadvantage
>but its manual, test the 10 speed
The GT 10 speed maybe takes the 240 on a prepped strip, but good luck putting the power down on the streets. Meanwhile the 240 is a software tune away from supercar acceleration

>>28492707
>base $49,545
>as tested $59,270
>2022 pricing compared to 2024 pricing
Sure hope nobody notices 2 years of the highest inflation possible in the last 2 decades!
So you're saying its likely a $55,000 car just like the Mustang with a Coyote?
>despite the power and tire disadvantage
Sorry, all seasons on both cars have them on equal playing field
>Meanwhile the 240 is a software tune away from supercar acceleration
And I'm the one coping. Yeah, your $50k bimmer is a tune away from supercar acceleration.

Sorry you lost the discussion after your post, but I was pointing out the highly modified 2-series is running less than a second faster than a stock coyote. If you just like the BMW more thats fine, but pretending its faster and better across the board when compared to a Mustang is just wrong.

>>28491803
>gm didn't have a turbo camaro until 2016
What about Turbo Trans Ams, retard?

>>28491201
Does it have a vee eight?

>>28491828
>stock motor
>1050+ WHP
fo reel doe?

>>28492719
>base $49,545
>as tested $59,270
>2022 pricing compared to 2024 pricing
You're right, the M240 doesn't need any options to dumpster a GT Perf Pack. In 2025 money a $54k base Bimmer stomps a ~$69k Stang as optioned by C&D
>Sorry, all seasons on both cars have them on equal playing field
The Mustang with 255/275s doesn't even outgrip the 240 on 245/255s
>your $50k bimmer is a tune away from supercar acceleration
Now you're getting it

>>28492734
$30,000 in 1989. Might as well have gotten the V8s for that money.

>>28492825
Turbos today are a shitty replacement for displacement and a way to comply with gay regulations.
Turbos then were cool, everyone had to have a t-word in it.

>>28491699
You dont really want a 1000hp car desu

2 Series looks like a little cuckbox, so everything after that is moot.

>>28492904
Thats where you're wrong, kiddo. Just because thats the absolute ragged edge limit of a BMW engine doesn't make it so I don't want a 1000hp vehicle.

>>28492748
"""stock""" engine generally refers to stock bottom end. Depending on who you ask, you may be able to swap heads, cam, and headbolts/studs as its not an engine out ordeal while others draw the line at fuel injectors.
Also that power number isn't really a long term ordeal on b58s/s58s; 1stockf30, a crowning member of the beemer tooning scene, had his engine completely blow causing him to spin out in the oil puddle and die in a street race. Past ~700WHP is the "safe" limit on these, anything past that on stock block is just a fools game.

>>28492952
That 1500hp S650 Mustang, what color is it again? Oh...

>>28492972
quickest BMW is still slower than a manual mustang. Lol. Lasala would have time for a 4 course meal waiting for that BMW to cross the finish line.

>>28492987
A non-streetable drag car with a platform that has been gone over with a fine tooth comb by boomers for over 2 decades vs a streetable full interior modern tuner. Meh. If you want to go brand new, similar price and year, manual vs manual, the Mustang still gets bodied ('25 M2 is even faster than the '23)

>>28492972
Honest question how is this relevant? Is that your car? Do you plan on doing this to your car?
>This one guy this one time spent an untold amount of time and money upgrading nearly every part of this car. The entire top end, fuel system, oil system, cooling system, intake, exhaust, turbo, transmission, differential, driveshaft, axles, brakes, wheels, tires, pretty much everything except the block.
>Also it only does 1500hp on E85. Also it can't even put 1500 down without warming up non-DOT racing slicks so you have to detune it to even drive on the street with street tires.
>Therefore a stock version of this car is better than a stock version of a nother car.

>>28492987
>compares a built for purpose drag car to a literal street car

You're a retard, the bmw is way more impressive

>>28492987
>>28493023
stang sisters are coping hard. Mustang would be a good car at like 35k, what its worth.

But as soon as it crosses the 45-50k threshold it gets rekt by a base model (M240i)

>>28493031
If it gets rekt by a base model M240i then I again ask what's the relevance of the super omega modded one?
And if you're comparing base model 2 series vs base model GT then what's the relevance of posting the stats of an M2 (not a base model) vs a dark horse (also not a base model)

>>28493021
>>28493027
>A non-streetable drag car
Its a street car that drives thousands of miles per year at drag and drive events. Hows that BMW doing on drag n drives?

>>28493061
Because the case of the base M240 vs base GT was already solved (common BMW win), so people are finding other stuff to try and gain ground on. What else is there to do while the earth spins

>>28493061
I didn't post that.

Yes a GT is superior to the 240 or 230 but vastly inferior to the m240i and M2.

Yet now, a GT with performance pack and a couple options is easily 50-60k, like the m240i.

Ladies, ladies, you're both beautiful.

>>28492972
>400 hp less than electric Rimac Nevera
>0.4 s faster
How?

>>28493156
Nevera weighs 5100 lbs and electric motors drop off in potency at high speeds. The Nevera would still be faster on the streets, just stomp it and go

>>28493068
The Mustang is more fun to drive than a AWD Automatic BMW with dead steering and open diffs that you'll constantly be coping with not affording the M2.

And you can get a base GT for under $40k in America.

>>28493027
Bmw only impresses homosexuals and whores

>>28491201
>>28491439
the bmw is awful looking. I don't know how they managed to fuck their design language so badly the last few gens.

>>28492674
Pussy
Just do maintenance and a Euro car will last

>>28491201
>M240i xDrive
it's fugly though. I would rather the f22

>>28491195 (OP)
>Stands in your way

>Look up the price of a new stang in EU
>Starting at 110k Euro
What the fuck?

I live in a small town in the UK and saw a 2008 Mustang parked in the Asda(our Walmart) carpark recently. It was surreal

I wonder how many people ITT have even driven the cars they’re talking about.

>>28491453
I would sooner buy a 3v stang or an RT challenger before I bought an ecoboost.
A car should have the engine size that its chassis was designed for.

>>28491195 (OP)
>straight line driving
>straight line driving
>straight line driving

>>28495741


I understand your feeling that a 'muscle car' without a v8 is heresy, but facts are facts; the turbostang is one of the best cars in the market now for a confluence of reasons and if you never knew that it was 'supposed' to have a v8 it'd (rightfully) go down as an all time great product for ford.