Thread 28493514

How much of the seethe about EVs is actually due to their reduced maintenance and operating costs and the other reasons given are just rationalizations offered up to proles by entrenched capital in the affected sectors?

My favorite is when people who have never given two shits about the environment themselves bring up that EVs are actually bad for the environment like it's some epic be all end all GOTCHA.

Like yeah wow I don't give a shit how many african children die mining rare earth minerals or how much coal power plants kill the ozone layer, all I give a shit about is the reduced operating costs per mile compared to an ICE car.

>>28493536
>all I give a shit about is the reduced operating costs per mile compared to an ICE car.
Yeah, well what I care about is having full control over my car and enjoying driving. Manual, lightweight. I can do trick shit to avoid accidents (ever pumped the clutch to maintain course when it starts understeering?) and it costs less than EVs to buy and maintain anyway.
I don't like them because they're heavy and boring. Same reason I don't like SUVs. It really is that simple. I'm not buying what you're shilling.

>>28493514 (OP)
I just want a manual transmission

>>28493559
Okay, but didn't the market already mostly make that call long before EVs got into the mainstream?

>>28493552
>I'm not buying what you're shilling.
I never said you have to, you do you. Just don't shit on me for buying an EV.

>Yeah, well what I care about is having full control over my car and enjoying driving.
You realise every new car going forward is going to be like this, regardless of what powertrain it has.

Lets force all the engineers to come up with bullshit CAFE laws for 10 years instead of improving important stuff or maintainability.
Then, let's force every auto company the world over to invest hundreds of billions in EV retooling, R&D, and legal only for China to undercut our asses and destroy one of our larger industries.
Great job, faggots.

>>28493567
>Just don't shit on me for buying an EV.
I'm not the one who came to an anonymous part of the internet to talk about how great I am for purchasing a product and claiming everyone else is "seething."
>You realise every new car going forward is going to be like this, regardless of what powertrain it has.
In life, you can let someone step all over you or you can stand up for what you believe in.

>>28493536
it's because the insufferable push for evs by various media outlets and governments involves constantly blasting us about how much greener it is to buy a brand new electric car than it is to keep your old shitbox running for another 20 years so yeah, gee willikers why are people who never gave a shit about the environment in the first place now expected to care about it?

>>28493514 (OP)
Is there much of a basic maintenance difference besides oil changes? ICE cars have other maintenance like timing belts and whatnot I suppose, but these are so spaced out that it doesn't seem like that much of a difference. Basic, regular stuff like tires and brake pads is gonna be the same.

>>28493514 (OP)
Fuck Off, retard.
Nobody gives a fuck about your EV bullshit.

>>28493583
I care. EVs make ideal daily drivers for enthusiasts; they're low maintenance, low cost, and they keep the miles off your cool shit so you can save them for the weekend.
If you're dailying a sports car in 2025 you're just doing it wrong.

>>28493609
>You'll save on maintenance if you buy this surveillance machine and cuck yourself out of driving the other car you want to drive 95% of the time!
Brilliant, just buy two cars! Because batteries or something! C'mon, buy one!

>>28493609
>ideal daily drivers
For sure, as long as you don't really care about cars and just wanna move from point A to point B
>for enthusiasts
Oh

>>28493514 (OP)
What's the over under on selling a car with everything modern right, but a 302 with a carb on it

>>28493514 (OP)
I think it's just misinformation. There's still somehow people who think a brand new Model 3 will need a $20k battery replacement every 60k miles because of an article they read 19 years ago about a Leaf. Or they think it will lose 75% of it's value because they look at a 2014 Model S that was 100k new and 20k now. Their brains work in this weird way where the first bit of information they learn about a thing stays crystal clear forever but any new information just bounces right off.

ICE fsgs are in eternal cope mode. EVs get so much better on a yearly basis. Now with the introduction of cheaper and more reliable LFP batteries, EVs are quickly losing all their negatives. Won't be long before ICE is reserved specifically for a certain niche of enthusiasts. In ten years time, EVs wil be sble to be both light weight and with good range. The budget dwarf car Leapmotor TO3 has a real world range of almost 300km. A few years past, this would be a 100km car. In a few years of revisions, it will be a 500km car. And that is the absolute tiniest shape possible using the cheaper more eco friendly LFP batteries.

https://youtu.be/WXegO7Pte8I

This is when I realized EVs would win. A Tesla with 180k mile useage still has NINETY percent of battery left. No doubt EVs now have batteries that outlast the cars. What combustion engine is at that state after so many miles? Most get so clogged up with shit and if you miss an oil change in time say bye bye to your engine.

EV = Mark of the beast

Not buying it. simple as

>>28493677
A miata with 200k miles has over 90 percent of its original capability. Wow, your argument is fucking nothing.

>>28493696
>A miata with 200k miles
Has undergone more service than the car is actually worth.

And how would one charge that dogshit if there are no charging ports at their apartment

>>28493711
Oh no, oil changes, 2 belt changes, a water pump, and a clutch. How horrifying!

>>28493725
You got 200k on that air filter and fuel filter? And never flushed anything? That's a pretty remarkable car.

>>28493722
I thought everyone on this board had an estate.

>>28493514 (OP)
>reduced maintenance and operating costs

You think that capitalists are against a car with a $20,000 battery going to shit after ten years and totaling the car so you have to buy a new one?

>>28493739
I got 300k+ replacing all sorts of shit. But I know how to wrench, I didn't live my life making car buying decisions to make some point in this thread that I had no idea was coming. If you faggots would let engines stay simple then it'd be fine, but everyone legislated for all sorts of accessory systems yaddda yadda. We could just have cheap light non-turbo I4 sedans again...

>>28493514 (OP)
You will never be a woman, leftypol tranny

>>28493659
>km
Eurocuck kys

>>28493746
See>>28493677
EVs are more durable than ICE cars. And this was before Tesla's switch to more durable LFP batteries.

>>28493755
>I got 300k+ replacing all sorts of shit.
Now I'm confused. Which is it? Is it 200k just doing oil and 2 belts, or is it 300k "replacing all sorts of shit"

BEVS BREAK DOWN AFTER A FEW THOUSAND MIL-AAACK

https://youtu.be/1zM9mMBi9gw

>>28493722
a lot of apartments around here are installing at least a few token charging ports, and shopping centers (and some gas stations and fast food joints) all have rows of charging stations.

>>28493677
*locks doors and lights itself on fire on the interstate at 89% battery left*

>>28493755
>We could just have cheap light non-turbo I4 sedans again...
I think you're wrong about legislation being responsible. It's very clear that automakers, especially American ones, don't want to sell you a lightweight ~$20k 4 banger. They want to sell you a $65k pickup truck.

>>28493832
I'm happy nobody has ever died driving an internal COMBUSTION engine.

>>28493834
Any company is ultimately a reflection of its customers. They sell the products people want to buy.
The best selling car in America in 1994 was the Ford Taurus with 397,037 sold. The same year they sold 646,039 F-150s.
It's always been this way.

>>28493787
I'll back that anon up, 211k on my Civic. Only maintenance done is oil changes every 4k, all other fluid once, and the accessory belt. Plus one window regulator, but those exist in exactly the same capacity on electric vehicles

>>28493846
It's often a captive market. In my country, no automaker has offered a minivan since the 90s. Crossover sales are strong though, and automakers continue to not offer any minivans because of that. But is that a deliberate choice being made, or just people taking the best available option?

>>28493847
You bought it brand new and put every mile on it and can vouch that it still has every OEM hose and gasket and pump? 200k on an upper radiator hose is unheard of.

>>28493862
Yep, brand new in 08. Hoses have never leaked, so I've never touched them. Aside from the shitty paint all the Jap cars had around that time, it is in pretty perfect condition

>>28493787
It's I've had several cars over 200k redlining every day.

Goys, I've been posting here neigh-on zwanzig jahren but dude, a miata will stay at 4600 rpm at the speed limit but last for fucking ever. And It's all right there to repair.
A belt? an alternator? ok.

>>28493845
man that's crazy how you ignored the part where it locks you inside and sets itself on fire
bonus: first responders won't touch EVs because of safety hazards
also they require 60,000 gallons of water to put out when they inevitably light themselves on fire

>>28493846
>Any company is ultimately a reflection of its customers.
How old are you? Majority of industries are controlled by government, corporate sponsors, or banks, none of which care about sales or consumer response.

>>28493536
>uhm did you know for every Tesla, a child slave miner dies of cobalt poisoning
I'd buy 20 Teslas if I could afford them all

>>28493514 (OP)
OP you argue for the sake of arguing you're not even an EV enthusiast you're a debate enthusiast piss off.

Yo, in the last year pornography is illegal in my state. Posting to this site actually is a crime now. I've read the bills. Cannabis gummies in my state are now a felony, bigger prison sentence than P Diddler. Where it was formerly a misdemeanor 10 years ago, then legalized,mow it's a fucking FELONY that happened in the last 48 hours. It's time, the red line has been crossed.
https://youtu.be/5GCSWEgZT94?si=ryR0wc95U5y88vH_

>>28493552
>ever pumped the clutch to maintain course when it starts understeering?
Could be either one. I genuinely can't tell anymore with you retarded faggots

>>28493514 (OP)
Like I've mentioned in the Porsche thread, electric cars are toxic to most of the traditional manufacturers. They have vastly reduced progfit margins, both on the car itself, and on the post-sale maintenance services. The only companies entirely unaffected are Tesla and Kiundai (though for different reasons).

Porsche sold around 250% more electric cars this year compared to the previous (making up something like over a third of total sales), yet, given the way they sperg and ree about muh 'lectric sales, you'd think they were trying to shift Dodge e-Chargers for dumping price.

>>28494073
i automatically regard anyone who says they do some kung fu bullshit with the clutch pedal as a shitposter just making stuff up. bro be like "you ever clutch kicked?" lmao

>>28493514 (OP)
Before tou buy a hybrid or EV, go on KBB.com and mess around with the model years and mileage for the vehicle you want to purchase. An average price hybrid (20-30k new) will devalue at a rate of 4-5k per year if driven 10k miles. A lowest price EV will devalue at a rate of 8-12k if driven 10k miles a year. A gas car of average price will devalue 2k a year.

I'm not taking even an extra 2-3k a year loss to bot even save that much in gas costs. I'm certainly fucking not taking an 8-12k loss PER YEAR on a car that's not going to last 5 years. You don't spend fucking 8-12k a year on fuel and maintenance costs.

>>28494073
https://youtu.be/GQVkVeJPih0?si=Ys_c2j7LOZFu0oXb&t=275
If your weird "device" doesn't start at 4:35, then start at 4:35. Look at the driver's left leg in this corner and tell me what you see.

>>28494082
clutch kicking an underpowered car is not a special saiyan fighting technique

>>28494086
>clutch kicking an underpowered car is not a special saiyan fighting technique
Yeah. Clutch kicking is actually real.

>>28494092
and takumi isn't so what's your point
if you're understeering into a corner and finding yourself needing to clutch kick to get the car to rotate you already entered the corner wrong like 50m ago

>>28494095
Or, maybe, you drive like an NPC listening to pedo music.

>>28493909
ICEs are far more likely to be set ablaze and you're far more likely to die in an ICE explosion than EV battery fire.

>>28494080
>buying new
Only tax dodging corporations do that. Most buy used.

>>28493609
I care about hydrogen car

>>28493552
>full control over my car
For some reason I get the feeling that people on here think combustion vehicles haven't changed since the 90s in terms of internet connectivity and Nanny technology whereas electric vehicles apparently are completely loaded up to the point where the police can just remotely drive your car straight to the prison if they don't like one of your posts on /pol/.
Like, dude, that's every modern car. They are all capable of locking you inside and catching on fire. They can all be remotely fiddled with by whoever has the capability, be at the manufacturer or someone figuring out how to hack into it. They all have stupid sirius XM trials that end and pester you into paying for it into eternity.

>>28494207
My car's only screen is preset LCDs on the radio.

>>28493514 (OP)
>seethe
What seethe? I just don't want one, so I'm not gonna buy one. That's it.

>>28493514 (OP)
>their reduced maintenance and operating costs
They still have maintenance schedules. Thank you for reminding me why I'll never buy a used car.

>>28494279
What is the scheduled maintenance on a new Model 3?

>>28494285
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html
Please read your owner's manual, for the sake of future owners who will get stuck with your mess.

https://www.tesla.com/learn/tesla-maintenance-costs-comprehensive-breakdown
> Model 3: Estimated annual maintenance cost – $257-$499
> Model Y: Estimated annual maintenance cost – $316-$643
> Model S: Estimated annual maintenance cost – $338-$580
> Model X: Estimated annual maintenance cost – $421-$748
and budget accordingly

>>28493514 (OP)
Best part about EV is the drive units or transmissions as ICEfags would call them are sealed systems with lifetime oil in them. Never having to change oil is worth every penny.

>>28494292
I'm not asking you to link me to something. I want you to say in your own words what regularly scheduled maintenance you think a new EV that has that, if neglected, would make you "never buy a used" one.

>>28494292
worth noting that all this "maintenance" boils down to
-tire rotations/replacements
-cabin air filters (regular + hepa)
-brake fluid checks/replacements

there is no maintenance in the traditional sense of the word.

>>28494304
They're supposed to be changed every 50-100k, but now Tesla took a note from other companies and are just calling it "lifetime fluid." Like how 5000 lb turbo I4 Range Rovers only really need oil changes every 22k miles.
No please, ignore the drive unit oil and coolant changes in your tesla - you'll be financing a new one in 3 years anyway, amirite, haha?

>>28494313
>brake fluid checks/replacements
emphasizing "checks" here is massive because an EV will put significantly less wear on pads as so much of their braking is handled by the motor regen. it's more common to replace them due to age than from wear.

>>28494322
>an EV will put significantly less wear on pads
Not when the EV weighs 3x a miata and has brake regen and stability control heating up the brakes. If changing brake pads suddenly "isn't a big deal" then why is changing an alternator after 17 years a huge rube goldberg moment? Are you just so dumb that turning a bolt is some kind of wizardry to you? Did your dad help you get your job?

>>28494352
you've misread or misunderstood something. take a deep breath, maybe walk around for a couple minutes to clear your head, then try reading my post again. or don't actually i don't care. but there's so much wrong with this response that i don't even know where to start.

>>28494368
So you can't even attack the low hanging fruit bait arguments I left open for you? Bummer, maybe I'll take my cat off today and advance the timing 2 deg just for you.

>>28494352
Regenerative braking doesn't use the brake pads. It uses the motors as dynamos to recharge the batteries, meaning the brake pads see much less wear.
t. EV disliker

>>28494379
Okay, good to know thanks it's an interesting concept. It doesn't really do anything for me as I presume it doesn't for you.
Miata is the bar, EVfags. If you can get torque to the right tires at the right times you'll be onto something. I'll be here stacking these common $500 engines that last 200k+ for my no-bullshit-electronics car.

>>28494207
>police can just remotely drive your car straight to the prison if they don't like one of your posts on /pol/.
>Like, dude, that's every modern car. They are all capable of locking you inside and catching on fire.
Yeah this right here is why I don't want anything new. In 2017 I watched some TV show with Halle Berry, Extant, where they assassinated an engineer who didn't want to play ball by remote disabling and locking his autopilot EV on train tracks. I just ain't about that life. So 2016 is my cut off year. No navigation, no onstar, no back up camera, no lane assist, no distance sensors, no blind spot monitors, only basic radio bluetooth.

>>28494375
there's no argument. you're spouting incoherent nonsense. how do i respond to that?
>Not when the EV weighs 3x a miata and has brake regen and stability control heating up the brakes.
how does regen braking heat up the brakes? your most recent post makes it sound like you literally don't even know what regen braking is or how it works
>If changing brake pads suddenly "isn't a big deal"
who says it "isn't a big deal"?
>then why is changing an alternator after 17 years a huge rube goldberg moment?
what are you even talking about? who ever said anything about alternators?

>>28494398
Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

>>28493581
Brake pads on EVs dont wear out due to regen braking.

The real maintenance for EV is air filters, tires, brake fluids and windshield wiper fluid. Power train doesnt require maintenance other than being smart about recharging and not over charging fully or draining battery fully frequently. Although you can with modern batteries and are rated 4000+ lifecycles, its better to keep good usage for daily driving that makes batteries last decades.

>>28494417
No coolant? No drive unit oil changes? I wonder what silver-tongued bastard made that happen. Because I seem to remember it being on every Tesla maintenance schedule until sometime this previous year. How remarkable!

>>28494313
tire rotations & cabin filters have always been part of traditional maintenance though.
>>28494312
Someone who can't even keep up with the bare minimum likely treats their car like shit. Simple as. Also just because "regular" maintenance only includes a few items doesn't mean that the rest of the car can't fall apart over time if not looked after, or driven poorly. The same kind of person who refuses to rotate their tires regularly is likely the same person who lets their car rust out over winter without any protection in salted areas.

>>28494424
Newer Tesla models have sealed oil systems now on the drive unit. There's no risk of the oil going bad anymore. As for coolant these systems are also sealed on nearly every car. You almost never need to change coolant on cars made after 2014 anymore.

>>28494439
That's the joke.

>>28494433
it's not about being unable to keep up with, and more about not even needing to at all. i can technically do a lot of things, but if i don't have to then that's better for me. no one is refusing to rotate their tires. but i have the choice between changing my oil and not changing my oil, why would i ever want to change my oil? it's a thing done out of necessity. if it's not necessary then that's better. i can keep a little notebook in my glove compartment that tracks when i had various things checked or replaced, and have done so for years on my 30 year old diesel truck with 240k miles, because it's necessary, and it'll fall apart and explode if i don't. but i would also like very much to not have to do that at all.

>>28494458
In the amount of time you've spent in this thread I could've changed my oil 2-10 times. It takes 10 fuckin' minutes. I don't even need a jack I fit right under there.

>>28494470
Not all of us have lifted trucks to make up for our small dicks

>>28494474
I have an impreza lol. No jack needed.

>>28494470
and then you'll change it again in 3 months. and another 3 months. and again. and again. and change the brakes, and the belt, and a hose here, a belt there, a pump here, a filter there, check this replace that flush this fix that. it's a sisyphean task.

>>28494313
Only problem is, a lot of dealerships are grifting niggerfaggots who charge 2x per tech hour for electric cars, despite doing *less*, than for an equivalent ICE car.

>>28494481
And somehow, 20+ years deep into driving 100-300k mile cars I've never really felt like I've had a lot of issues or spent a lot of time and money. But sure, everyone buys a $70k Audi and refuses to change the oil. Sure.

>>28494481
>and then you'll change it again in 3 months. and another 3 months. and again.
Depends entirely on how much you drive.
> and change the brakes, and the belt, and a hose here, a belt there, a pump here, a filter there, check this replace that flush this fix that. it's a sisyphean task.
That's a car specific and age issue. Average consumer on a 2-3 year lease like most Tesla fanboys won't ever have to do these except maybe once towards the end. You know what they won't ever face? A $10-20k battery replacement like these smucks
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/third-battery-has-failed-need-advice.323602/page-2#post-8153527
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/battery-failure-and-tesla-loaner-woes.327382/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3E2bIbek-M

Not that it matters. Tesla is a dead brand at this point. EV tax credit is gone, Elon is in shambles, and everyone in the country hates him. His EU sales have basically plumpted and the US citizens vandalize Tesla cars actively. BYD is the future of EV.

>>28493536
Nigga, they're far more expensive to maintain because you can't do it your self with out risk of the drm kicking in. You have to go to dealers that charge all ur light bulbs as sop just to drive up the ticket. Ur a fucking retard. EVs will literally just need to survive a 24 hour race before I give two shits.

Also yes, ur raping the earth for batteries. And letting china dump the slag in the river. Green flags have never given a shit about the environment, if they did we wouldn't be stuck with the faggot ass epa.

>>28493711
Boomer mentality.

>>28493739
Do you actually count changing a filter as maint? Like do you post pics of dirty hands to tiktok after?

>>28493578
anon, it's so we dont have to hang around with niggers at gas stations. do you get it now?

>people unironically go to a dealership to swap a cabin air filter
absolute state of /o/

>>28494474
I'm only allowed to drive kei cars cuz my dick is so massive.

>>28493909
>locks you
What does this have to do with EVs? Explain

>>28494499
If the big battery gives out and the 12v can't help you then you fry. Unless you know where things like emergency door opening devices are.
When that lady in the airplane makes that safety speech, make damn sure you know it word for word and plan your way out.

I would LOVE for the EV shills here to take their arguments off a Taiwanese basket weaving chalkboard and into the real world.
>I don't care if poor people will never be able to afford to buy, run, and charge an EV!
>I don't care that this means EVs will never be able to justify the long-term investment being plowed into it by both the private and public sectors!
>I don't care if brown people in the third world die mining critical minerals!
>In fact I don't care about the environment at all!
>I don't care if each EV is written off and dumped after the battery cracks or needs replacing!
Imagine the optics you'd provide for the flagging EV industry in the eyes of real life normies!

>>28494506
Anon, an EV can have a normal door. What the fuck are you talking about? You are confusing a design decision by certain companies with EVs in general.

>>28494508
EV's not being affordable is a western issue thanks to Tesla. Chinese EVs are affordable for all, and unironically better quality lmao

>>28494514
They could price it at below the cost of new petrol car and poors would still have to buy property to install the charging infrastructure required to make life with an EV liveable. That is the reality - the cheapest labour that makes everything else in your life affordable will always have to rent their home. It is cost piled upon cost - the EV industry only ever gets by by expecting someone else to pick up the bills.

>>28494508
>le optics
I don't even understand the argument you're trying to make. None of this would stop an average family man who owns his own house from buying an EV which can be charged at home.

>>28493514 (OP)
My car is 24 years old and replacing the battery is a simple and cheap job.
Batteries for an ev cost more than my car is worth.
At 300,000km and 24 years of age an ev would be on its 3rd battery pack and that alone makes the ev produce more cO2 than my v8 car has produced in its 24 years and 300,000km.nevermind the fact that ev power comes from coal power plants so ev are simply rich people toys to make them feel smug.
South Park did an episode on the topic back when the prius was the rich person smug machine.
Ev is cool if you earn 200k+ after tax per year and then it's just a debate of built vs bought straight line speed and all ev lose above 100kmh because their speed only exists in 0-100 times.
I put ev in the same category as Lamborghini soccer mum cars.

>>28494490
funny how when 1 in a million teslas need an expensive battery replacement it's all evs but when a gr corolla bursts into flames on the side of the road we'll that was just an isolated incident that's not something the average toyota driver needs to worry about

>>28494523
He can always charge up at a supercharger at the nearby gas station

>>28494530
Petrol cars rarely if ever burst into flames that is an ev thing

>>28494530
>goyota gr corolla bursts into flames
>means every ICE car bursts into flames daily
>meanwhile there's news articles about Tesla's doing this nearly every week

>>28494531
Who has a spare 2 hours to spend at a gas station? I work 12 hours a day, to own an ev charging it turns my 12 hour day into 13 without factoring the 2 hours of commuting.

>>28494540
>2 hours
supercharger will get you to 80% within 15-20 minutes
>but there's lines
no different than gas stations currently. Also superchargers are more compact, once this country embraces EV like China we'll have parking lots full of chargers.

>>28494528
>At 300,000km and 24 years of age an ev would be on its 3rd battery pack
Not really. Maybe decade old first or 2nd gen EVs might be the case, but even oldest first gen of the Teslas can easily get ~150K miles on their battery. Any modern Tesla battery can get 500K-1M+ miles if driven like a normal person and the car charging maintained

>>28494523
Every place is different, but lots of apartment buildings or condo developments have at least a few charging spots, and almost every shopping center has a large row of chargers around here.

>>28494533
>>28494536
wow that's crazy i had no idea they were selling that many evs in the 80s and 90s

>>28494558
24 years ago is 2001 uleh your boomer is showing

>>28494545
Battery lasts 8-10 years that would be a 3rd battery pack. Each battery pack on a Tesla is 18 metric tonnes of cO2 to create never-ending the 90grams of cO2 per kilometres of travel making my v8 more environmentally friendly than all evs.
Also even if 150k is your gauge 300k also = 3rd battery pack.
They are rich people toys.
It's like buying a Lamborghini crossover.

>>28494571
>24 years ago is 2001
this is technically true, i guess. 8 years ago is 2017, 1 year ago is 2024, 35 years ago is 1990. i don't know how it's relevant but it's true. we can keep going i guess? 11 years ago is 2014...

>>28494577
>Battery lasts 8-10 years that would be a 3rd battery pack.
is there a source other than your ass? how do you explain the nearly 20 year old roadsters on original batteries?

>>28494591
They were always recharged at 50% or more battery because it's a rich person's car only ever used for small trips never commuting.
I have been an rc car enthusiast since the 90's if you want a lesson in how lithium batteries work.

>>28494582
Lithium batteries were invented in 1991 and they have not improved at all since they were invented.

>EV just starting to take off
>Elon goes and completely ruins it by opening his fucking mouth and pretending to be a serious political opponent
Also just saying EV without Nuclear is one of the worst futures we could have hoped for. I'm glad to see the EU at least doesn't have their end in their ass and is turning France into a nuclear power plant super house to fuel EV adoption.

The reason these cars explode is specifically because people try to commute in them and constantly drain the batteries and because they use battery banks it only takes 1 bad battery to make the whole lot explode.
Electric cars are dumb and always will be dumb because of the dead end batteries they use which are hobby grade at best.
Don't get me wrong as cool things I agree completely but electric isn't consumer grade idiot proof stuff.
That is why your phone shuts down with 20% actual battery life left and the fact that you always let it run low causes it to shit the bed. My current phone is from 2014 because I know how the non replaceable battery works.
Charge it above 80% you are doing damage to it, let it get below 50 you are doing damage to it.

>>28494630
Who cares about politics enough to make life choices based on it? You Americans and your celebrity worship that has now bled into political worship is simply pathetic. Grow up.
You have clearly earned the name seppo because all you lot do is fill your septic tank with opinions that are not your own until you become full enough for those septic opinions to spill out of your overflow pipe into the next septic tank. Seppo life.

>>28494577
>things a pussy faggot environmentalist treehugger says
WHATEVER, NERD, MAKE WAY FOR MY 1000HP LUXURY SEDAN THAT DRIVES ITSELF TO YOUR MOMS HOUSE.
YOUR MOM IS SUCH A WHORE THAT FSD DRIVES ITSELF THERE AUTOMATICALLY WHENEVER THE INSIDE CAMERAS SEE AN ERECTION ON THE DRIVER

>>28494644
Nobody wants to give their hard earned money to a fucking crook like Elon Musk. Your Europeans are no different. The Tesla sales in EU have completely dropped off a cliff even more so compared to the US.

>>28494648
My daily commuter is a 400bhp naturally aspirated v8 Ute nerd stay mad while I drive it to my 130k a year job where I operate a 50,000kg front loader that consumes 500 litres of diesel per day then I drive my v8 commuter home to fuck my hot wife.

>>28494652
You are so retarded that you don't think you give money to Elon seppo, every rocket he launches was paid for with your tax money and always has been kek and I am Australian

>>28494657
>AU flag
kek your wife's probably asian

>>28494662
Keep coping, Elon. Your tax credits and subsidizes are gone after the BBB is signed tomorrow morning.

>>28494652
You can give your money to crooks like GM and Ford, they make EVs, too.

>>28494664
Me and my wife are both irish/German stay mad kike lover, go start another war for Israel and literally no other reason.

>>28494666
I don't care at all about Elon? I commute in a 24 year old v8 Ute with 300,000km on it?

>>28494670
Lmao, hit the nail on the head. Criminal and his yellow fever wife

>>28494577
>battery lasts 8-10 years
Retard. Warranty isnt end of life. All products have warranty. Your 24 year old car has 8-10 year old warranty when it was bought new

>>28494677
Sideways pussy-cat isn't appealing to anyone but weeb nerd race traitors like you but you can't even get that can you fag? I bet you would take a 3/10 Japanese who're but you don't even qualify for that do you?

>>28494681
Battery life is at 60% or lower by then is your commute less than 50km?
I doubt it you sound poorer than me

>>28494417
And suspension components don't magically wear out like on any other 4000lb land yacht? +

>>28494691
>battery life is at 60% or lower
If my EV lasts 50 years and battery is that, thats way past its age now. In 20 years, @ 200K miles, battery will be 85% on avg

>>28494706
Normies in America don't buy cars they lease them for 4 years then get a new one with a credit card.
The idea of buying with cash is absurd to them and then they wonder why they have debt.

>>28494715
>If my EV lasts 50 years on the same battery
This board is so fucking delusional

>>28494715
Your ev will last 10 years LOL how long does your phone last before the battery is fucked? My 11 year old phone gets not even half the battery life of when it was new. It's at like 40% and I actually know how these batteries work.

>>28494719
>get a new one with a credit card.
Nobody is buying cars on credit cards, except for down payments. I can tell you're very young or just dumb judging by your post. You get loans for cars so that the dealer is paid and the risk goes onto a bank, majority of dealerships won't even allow credit cards at all because of fees and other risks associated with them.

>>28494722
Ideally, it can last that long. As long as you drive an avg of 10K miles a year, 50 years is just 500K miles. Any modern Tesla with LFP battery can get that since those have 10K-50K cycle life. 300 miles x 10K = 3M miles. With 0-100, the lifecycle is down to 3000-4000, thats still well over 1+ million miles.

>>28494727
Phones have lithium polymer based batteries which have 300-500 lifecycles.

If you do 0-100 each day, thats only ~1.5 year of battery before it goes under 70%. If you do 20-90% daily, it will last 2-3X that to around 4-5 years. Those are well within expectation since phones are drained daily and battery life expectancy is within the expected limits.

>>28494735
Lmao Americans are so fucking dumb, you buy cars with cash unless you are a knuckle dragging retard
T.someone who paid cash for every car he ever owned and currently had 0 debt while owning his own house 2 cars and a motorcycle at the age of 33

You debt slaves are funny

>>28494747
>>28494727
Also, if cars are drained daily 300+ miles each day, you'd still get 3000-4000 lifecycle from those, thats 900K miles for lithium iron based batteries.

I bet you go to the mechanic and get a loan instead of paying cash too huh? Then you wonder why it is so expensive lmao even

>>28494142
No stats to back it up and if there were it would be easily explained by EVs being newer than ICEs. We have 30 year old ICEs on the road, but EVs are only about a decade old max... and they have to get swapped more regularly anyway
You're just pulling this out of thin air

>>28494045
>Posting to this site actually is a crime now.
But that goes against the constitution because 4chan is an AMERICAN WEBSITE. You need to call your legislator to suggest a bill about that and hope it becomes a law.

>>28494417
tyres on electrics wear ridiculously fast due to the extra weight and the 6 gorillions of torque they have

>>28495408
Most EVs don't weight that much. A Model Y weighs less than a 4Runner.

>>28495408
Nonsense. Weight wise, Teslas weigh equal or less than standard car of the same sedan/SUV size. Its not due to weight, but rather due to instant torque that depends entirely upon driving habits.

>>28494738
There's a lot more on that car that will go wrong before your electric motor ever has issues, and your battery (which is also a blatant lie)

>>28495464
Ofc thats why you drive like an old person that drives a Lexus and do the normal maintenance on the car for other parts.

@28494754
@28494750
@28494749
This is just pathetic obsession at this point lmao

>>28495451
A Tesla does not weigh as much as a comparable vehicle (an econobox)

>>28495520
wow they dont weight as much as your geo metro shitbox?

>>28495540
I said a comparable vehicle. A model 3 weighs a lot more than a Civic.

>>28495549
Why does it have to be a vehicle of the same size? The tires don't care if it's a Civic or a Charger. Charger SXT and Model 3 have nearly the same size factory tires. But I don't recall seeing tires wearing out "ridiculously fast" being a point of concern on full size sedans for the past 30 years.

>>28493514 (OP)
I would like EV cars if they were not so computer controlled and throw away consumer appliance like todays ICE cars. I just want a motor, battery, controller and be able to program any part of it. I am stuck with my 20 year old ICE car until they come out with something I can fix easily if no mechanic is available. I do like the Slate tho.
>Ohh I gotta do a factory reset on my car the A/C subscription has expired going to try to turn back the clock
>Bricks car

I want an E30 like pic related but with an serviceable electric motor with off the shelf electronics and batteries.

>>28495591
>Why does it have to be a vehicle of the same size?
Because comparing a compact electric econobox to a big, full sized sedan would be fucking retarded?

>I don't recall seeing tires wearing out "ridiculously fast" being a point of concern on full size sedans for the past 30 years.
Yeah because at no point short of ultra luxury examples were sedans ever 6000lbs...

>>28495726
>Because comparing a compact electric econobox to a big, full sized sedan would be fucking retarded?
But why though? You're talking about the weight on the tires. The tires dont know how long the car is.

>>28494632
This is not true LFP batteries though

>>28495726
>Yeah because at no point short of ultra luxury examples were sedans ever 6000lbs...
They all are when you're mom is driving them

>>28494491
>EVs will literally just need to survive a 24 hour race before I give two shits.
They can though? They will just spend 4 of those 24 hours charging.
If you think that’s bad, look up how many times an ICE car stops for fuel during a 24h race.

>>28496067
The only time ice spends 4 hours behind the wall is if they crash. Being so far behind the DNFs can turn more laps isn't good enough.

>>28493514 (OP)
Every car company sells EVs so I'm not sure who would be "offering up rationalizations." Do you think the oil industry is paying shills to badmouth EVs on this board? That's really the most likely explanation?

>>28496498
They some how think calling big oil "the jews" will resonate with us even though we already know the jew wants the electric oven to replace natural gas... So that when the power goes off you can't cook anymore.

>>28496686
>even though we already know the jew wants the electric oven to replace natural gas
Is that what Carl Icahn thinks?

>>28496689
They tried it in Cali and jew York. Isn't really working tho.the jew is out of steam and strings to pull and will spend the next 20 years building it back up again... Well after the results of the current shit storm in sandland I don't care about.

>>28496696
>the jew is out of steam
Is that the takeaway you're getting from zion don's revenge tour?

>>28496686
>So that when the power goes off you can't cook anymore.
You can have solar panels. (((Big oil))) wants you to be connected to the (((system))) at all costs.
Fucking kikeslave subhuman

>>28496711
>Solar panels
Propain tanks have been a thing for decades now. How do you think rural people cook, on a camp fire?
>>28496703
Believing the hype that bad. Nigger get off msm.

>>28493552
>(ever pumped the clutch to maintain course when it starts understeering?)
if your vehicle is understeering then you are diving too fast for the road conditions. slow down and stop driving like a retard.

>>28496820
>if your vehicle is understeering then you are diving too fast for the road conditions.
>you are diving too fast for the road conditions.
That's what I do. I play around past the traction limit for fun, but learned slowly how to do it safely. It's why I'm on a car board, not /g/ or /n/.

>>28493609
I don’t care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_Fn0bnxaw

>>28493514 (OP)
i just think theyre really gay and soulless

>>28494148
They still devalue at the same rate. Anything electric loses much more value when you want to sell, or you can hang onto it when it becomes a brick with no range left in 8-10 years. That won't be the case with most gas cars, there are still some where if you maintain it it will run. The EV you're always looking at losing thousands when it's time to sell or replace batteries. That's why we need swappable batteries, not owning the battery solves this issue.

>>28499703
Why is it whenever this debate is had, gas cars all always represented by the FJ70 and EVs are always represented by first gen Nissan Leafs?
>What about this gas car that was infamously unreliable
No that doesn't count it's an exception
>What about this EV with 200k on the original battery
No that doesn't count it's an exception
>You know if you compare the total ownership costs over 5 years for a Model 3 and a Corolla you actually save money with an EV
No that doesn't count because I have this bar graph with no source and no numbers that says EVs are more unreliable.

>>28494666
Hopefully hydrogen fuel cell succeed
>>28482284

>>28493649
> Their brains work in this weird way where the first bit of information they learn about a thing stays crystal clear forever but any new information just bounces right off.

I had some tard tell me the other day that some ev’s take days to charge.

>>28494207
Micheal Hastings was killed by having his bmw hacked

>>28494610
The gas pump won’t work without electricity

>>28503196
You think it was a BMW, eh.

>>28503189
And he will spent the rest of his life believing that. The first anecdote he heard was about charging an old first year Model S from 0-100% on a 120V wall charger, and now he thinks any time you drive an EV you have to park it and charge it for 2 days even if you only went 30 miles

>>28493514 (OP)
im with you op. if i could drive my microwave to work i would (if i had a job)