Thread 28497302

Like LMFAO how you spin out on a highway LMFAO must've been a small pebble that BTFO his traction.

Couldnt catch me losing grip withmy FWD japanese killer N-sane performance car

jeet thread

>>28497302 (OP)
OP is a faggot, >>28496211

Couldn't be because someone just attempted to kill them seconds before, no way.

>>28497302 (OP)
It's obvious he panicked and made the situation worse for himself but I doubt he wouldn't have crashed if it were a fwd. Drivetrains can't fix bad driving but they can definitely make it worse.

Three most hated cars causes havoc.

>>28497302 (OP)
Complete meltdown of wrong wheel drive faggot op AND miata driver BTFO in the same post
Nice

Miata sisters not like this! The truckchuds cucked us yet again! How many threads are we going to have to spam to recover from this!

>every racecar on earth is RWD but here's why it's a meme
Dude we're all glad you like your elantra N but jesus at least accept basic physics

Skill issue

>>28497302 (OP)
RWD is not natural

>>28497302 (OP)
FWD's are worse. They understeer then snap oversteer.

>>28497309
>factory original tires bc they only got 4K miles on them

Lel.

>>28497412
>hypercar
>tcr

It’s really all dependent on rules. AWD is illegal bc it’s best

>>28497424
oh yeah? explain this

>>28497412
uh bro?

>>28497532
bluds out here really still thinking it's 1970

>>28497477
>then snap oversteer.
no

>>28497302 (OP)
Full video since OP is a cock gobbling faggot.

>>28497577
Not sure how you even lose control like that.
There was plenty of room to drive straight.
Truck manket was being a faggot sure, but I don't get how one even does that.

>>28497577
This is why you shouldn't drive without traction control and stability control. Computers save lives and would have modulated power appropriately to the driven wheels.

I can mash the gas in my Corvette on wet pavement and have the rear kick loose and have the car instantly straighten out. Computers make it idiot proof. Otherwise I would have wiped out countless times already.

>>28497532
>>28497537
He said race car, not time attack tinker project.

>>28497748
Traction control wouldn't have stopped this.
Also I hope you're being satirical, traction control fucking sucks you're just inept enough to benefit from it.

>>28497757
Traction control would literally have stopped this. Have you seen cops try to TVI a Tesla?

Boomer in an NC automatic.
Next question

>>28497759
You're fucking retarded dude. You have zero experience in performance driving. This car is cruising at like 3k rpm, traction control is going to do fuck all except probably make it worse by cutting throttle even sharper. Please stop larping online.

>>28497755
cry about it gramps

>>28497577
Remember kids, when in a spin, put both feet in. Locking up and travelling in a single direction is much safer than driving in an unkown direction without control of the vehicle.

Stability control or FWD would've probably ended up in the concrete barrier but it's speculation.
This is the risk you take driving a car that can do tricky stuff when you want.
But again, that was legitimate attempted manslaughter by the silverado.

>>28497761
Yeah RPM was definitely the determining factor in the car losing traction. Had nothing to do with him wildly yanking the wheel, going off the pavement, and spinning all over the place.

>>28497757
More so electronic stability control.

Literally happened to me the other day. The pavement was wet and I applied too much throttle out of a corner and the rear kicked loose. ESC worked its magic and straightened the car out before I applied too much throttle again and it started fishtailing the other way before stopping it. Went back and forth for a few seconds until I found the sweet spot for throttle vs traction.

>>28497778
>I suck at driving the post

>>28497777
Do you fucking understand what traction control does you retarded fucking iracer? Do you understand why an electric car with a motor on each wheel could possibly be better at stability control than a regular car?

holy fuck this board is so fucking bad. stick to the anime and video games.

>>28497761
It depends on the system and implementation in the car. More advanced systems with better programming will be more effective. Modern cars have sensors everywhere. Measure wheel spin, heading, speed, etc. With those systems on the car will modulate power and apply braking as necessary to correct loss of traction and spin outs. It checks this data many times per second, all the time and reacts faster than a human can. It's incredible what computers can do. Let's you do some really stupid shit and get away with it.

>>28497789
I thought the same but didn't want to say it. But, it takes failing over and over to git gud at anything.

>>28497794
>With those systems on the car will modulate power and apply braking as necessary to correct loss of traction and spin outs.
The modulating power part of that equation is called Traction Control, the braking part is called Stability Control. Stability control would have helped here, traction control is intended to solve a different set of problems.

>>28497778
This car has ESC and TSC.

>>28497791
I'm not him but have worked 3 years in engineering in an ABS / TCS / ESP plant and signed off on BOMs. There is nothing special about EVs for this, mech LSDs are better at distrubuting power than the fanciest EVs you're falling for the advertising. Stability control just hits certain brakes, rotating the car in a way, to understeer you in stead of oversteer - it doesn't care what you use for accelerating the wheels.

>>28497794
>my corolla s is really a spacex rocket
no it isnt. your traction control cuts throttle and nothing more. not even a mclaren p1 actively torque vectors to stop snap oversteer. is it possible, probably, maybe even close to a human, but not as good as a human.

you're fucking clueless because you've never raced at any high level and that's ok.

>>28497789
Lol it's not about sucking or not. If you're driving a powerful RWD car in the wet coming out of a turn with suboptimal tires, and are anything but gentle with the throttle you're going to kick the rear loose. The car is heavily computerized and has advanced systems in place.

>>28497759
This car has TSC and ESC both. They're both very good.

>>28497809
>your traction control cuts throttle and nothing more.
Traction control hits brakes, it doesn't cut throttle.

>>28497808
Factually incorrect on every fucking point except that torque vectoring in an ICE uses the brakes not the differential, although EVs actually do use the motor, should. Ludicrous that you could imagine a mechanical LSD having the speed and precision of an electric motor. Laughable actually.

And I don't care about your abs pump tinker project, troon.

>>28497809
>my corolla s is really a spacex rocket
Thankfully it's not because then it would just blow up on the launchpad instead
>not even a mclaren p1 actively torque vectors to stop snap oversteer
Wow, I guess I've just gotten plain lucky every time the rear started to slip

>>28497814
Incorrect fuckwit. Literally no concept whatsoever of performance driving which is actually why you're stupid enough to think that TCS can do it better than a driver, despite every single track mode turning it off for the opposite of that reason.

>>28497819
>torque vectoring in an ICE uses the brakes not the differential
Some do, it's called yaw control.

>>28497305
sippy bippy. clean this garbage thread up jannies

>>28497819
I got that pic from google? I have spent thousands of hours milling those units however.
You want to make every thread about EVs because.... why? If they were so good at distributing power why cant a cybercuck get up a hill or get through snow?

>>28497803
>>28497812
What car? I didn't know.

>>28497412
rally and tcr bros… our response?

>>28497827
No one is talking about EVs, only in the sense that they are a superior platform for dynamic traction and stability control, the kind that is being theorized of saving the car in OP post. Please try and keep up will you.

Congratulations you wrote some gcode.

>>28497823
Did you mean to reply to me? What I said is obviously correct (traction control is in the brakes) and I drive with the aids fuse pulled. It and stability are much worse for performance driving, even dangerous at times.

>>28497828
>"Yeah that's my miata its a 2008 nc."
https://old.reddit.com/r/dashcams/comments/1lqsskd/full_video_of_the_accident_from_my_previous_post/n17jfme/

>>28497795
>I thought the same
That a powerful RWD is less forgiving and will want to kick the rear loose on pedal mashes? That's pretty obvious.

ESC and TSC are like training wheels and help you learn the limits of the car without eating shit over the slightest overstep.

>>28497828
>Ok, here is a rough explanation. I was on my way to college in Denton going south on I-35. I noticed that the lifted truck wasn't really passing the simi truck. So I was like whatever ill just pass. As soon as I start merging in to the left line the pick-up truck revs up behind me and get like a foot away. So I speed up to put some distance in-between us. “This is where the video starts” I end up coming up on the red car inftont of me pretty fast and I had to slow down. The truck then passes the semi and moves over to get even with me. You can see him break to get even. I'm thinking he's going to roll his window down and cuss me out, but no he just jerks his car in my lane. This took me off guard you can then see me jerk left to avoid him because my car is small enough that he could easily drive over me. I clipped the gravel strip on the side of the highway and spun out. Literally that entire time I'm spinning I can't see a thing and I was pretty much driving off instinct and how the car feels. I was mostly ok really banged up, but ok. Still went to school like an hr later . Sadly the Miata didn't make it. The simi took a solid bite out of it. The frame was so bent that I had to kick the driver's side door to get out and it dented it in a bit. Rip my miata tho I rebuilt that car by hand twice swapped in a new engine, transmission and everything That car was my baby . Hopefully in the future when I get out of college I can save up to buy another one. Thanks for all the help and support. I'll keep y'all updated on what the police and insurance do. Ima try to press changes at least.

>>28497833
>Congratulations you wrote some gcode.
This was 20 years ago and I was doing failure investigations. Did it on a manual Bridgeport no screen bullshit.

>>28497836
>>28497842
Thanks for actually posting some context instead of a still frame like the faggot OP.
>I clipped the gravel strip
That would explain why TSC/ESC failed on the 2008 Miata. There's only so much that can do. Especially on a 17 year old car which I'm assuming newer cars have more advanced implementations of those systems. Maybe if the expert could weigh in more on that.

>>28497851
Not an expert, haven't worked in braking systems since '09. But I don't think they've changed that much. It's sensors and magnet valves pushing fluid around. Moved to durability and full vehicle testing.

>>28497577
Hey that's felonious assault and attempted murder.

>>28497912
It actually is.

>>28497823
Is this why gt classes have 7+ level selectable tc and abs and unless you and your track conditions are always perfect and perfectly repeatable, levels 1-2 TC are almost universally faster than full off?
SOME slip is faster than no slip, but no person can perfectly slip all the time. SOME tc is faster than no TC. Life isnt a video game.

But since I understand you're talking about generally regular cars, with generally TC being an on/off situation, and in the best of cases a 3 or 4 mode setting with a "track/race" TC setting not being adjustable and generalized, I also understand why you're saying this.

It's still wrong though.
SOME tc is always going to be faster than none at all because no driver can be perfect, no tire can be a constant temp, no track a constant, and no track a perfectly repeatable grip level.
And especially on normal roads, yeah tell me a race mode TC off is faster I'll laugh in your fucking face.

>>28497577
Literally should've passed close in front of POV truck, taken the right lane and exited somewhere, hoping truckfag's impotent rage doesn't drive him to follow.
>>28497808
What is that thing and how does it work? Are those a bunch of solenoids?

>>28497967
That's what the inside of a modern ABS unit looks like. You have the two primary brake fluid input/output ports, two ports per wheel, plus two ports which I'm assuming go to the proportioning unit.

Cool stuff.

>>28497967
>What is that thing and how does it work?
It's braking hydraulic unit. It does ABS / TCS/ ESP and some of the stupid shit with advertising names manufacturers have come up with.
The system has sensors at the wheels that detect slip. In the unit it uses magnet valves and a DC motor to run the pump. It's a bunch of solenoids yes. I was usually ESD strapped on an ESD mat working on this stuff. Just posting random google images.

>>28497424
anon...

>>28497577
honestly deserves to be killed, hes endangering the red car by riding its ass like that. good riddance.

>>28497808
you can sign off on this dick wrenchlet

>>28498013
I'm only into women. Thanks but no thanks.

This would never happen in a Civic.

>>28497526
>rwd is a grocery getter drivetrain
uhhhhh

>>28497921
Based?

>>28497577
The dicklet vibes from that truck driver are off the charts.

>>28498155
The oversized rubberband tires are an instant giveaway the guy is a complete faggot. A real truck has thick meats with shitloads of sidewall.

>>28498160
>> A real truck has thicc meats

Sounds gay

>>28498010
Tesla fag

>>28497577
Truckold should be charged with attempted murder.

Also all wheels should move. You're paying for 4 wheels, they should all operate when they need to to keep you safe and mobile. Only 2 wheels having the ability to move is a ripoff.

>>28498201
Most car guy stuff sounds gay.

>>28497842
Could've been prevented by being more aggressive and deciding to leave the truck driver behind when he started tailgating. If he'd have gotten around the semi and weaved through/into the traffic ahead where the truck can't fit, he'd have no problems.
He had room to brake, too, when he thought the guy was going to yell at him. Seems to me he was too passive and reactive. Maybe I'm just justifying my own aggressive habits but I think it would have helped.

truckchuds win again

>>28497577
that's more embarrassing for miata drivers - why did you (even) flinch so badly you lost control

>>28498315
If you're a 13 yo edgelord, sure. ebbrewhan clapped.

>>28497577
>be minding business in the right lane, as God intended all truckers
>4-wheelers fuck up during usual dick-measuring contest
>nearly rollover trying to avoid vehicular manslaughter charges.
This will be marked as a preventable accident and torpedo that trucker's future.

>>28497810
What’s the point of a system that has to be managed like a baby at all times in order not to crash?
Give me AWD and all the electronic nannies in the world. When I yank the steering wheel at the last second because I was too busy phone posting to notice a hazard, I want my car do what I instruct it to instantly.
Same shit with EVs which are just plain superior to ICE: only one gear so when you apply throttle you get all the power instantly. If I want to drive off NOW I want all available power NOW, not after having to down shift and wait for the RPM to catch up.

>>28498357
Modern auto transmissions are so fast they will instantly shift at a moment's notice. You've probably just been driving 30 year old cars with slushboxes. If that's not good enough just keep the gear in the powerband or get a CVT that will peg you to the optimal RPM.

>>28498312
based jeet terminator

>>28498350
>Implying truckers have a future to begin with.

>>28497577
It's incredible how everyone who drives performance cars can't drive worth a shit and is a giant pussy ontop of that. You would swear to god a MBT was trying to merge into his lane given the miata's reaction and not a fucking pickup.

>>28497577
Holy fuck the truck driver has got to be like 5'6" with a micropenis.
Just a small man all around who needs a big truck

>>28498418
Oh yeah, let me just drive over halfway into your lane with a wall beside it to show how alpha I think I am!
Grow up.

>>28498155
>>28498444
Go back

>>28498503
>t. trugg driver with micro penis

>>28498649
keep seething at trucks you can't afford, leftypol /n/igger

>>28498750
keep seething at people hating your precious emotional support shitpiles

>>28498808
nobody cares about your opinion on trucks you can't afford you fucking poorfag /n/igger

prove me wrong, post bread on hood, you won't because you drive a ratty old shitbox

>>28497569
>nooo lift-off oversteer isn't snap oversteer!!!

>>28498418
>performance car
>miata
bmaooo

>>28498350
There seems to be some sort of altercation beforehand. Also, why the FUCK is everyone just sitting in the passing lane doing the same speed as the truck lane?

>>28497842
>simi truck
>left line
>in-between
>infront
>break
>ima
College education in 2025.

>>28498818
>proceeds to seethe
too predictable. cold day in hell I post any of my cars for your retarded ass
>nobody cares!!!!1!
and yet you take the time to reply every single time

>>28497967
>Literally should've passed close in front of POV truck, taken the right lane and exited somewhere,
This is exactly what I would have done.

>>28497842
>>28497851
>I clipped the gravel strip on the side of the highway and spun out.
I've done that lots of times in different vehicles (RWD, FWD, several sorts of AWD) with not only gravel but ice, snow and dirt, and never ever spun out, I'm pretty sure that stability systems never engaged especially if driving in a relatively straight line (cornering is another story). What's wrong with Miatas?
>twice swapped in a new engine, transmission and everything
But why do that twice? Did he wire the brakes or something else wrong?

>>28498226
One pair is for steering, the other delivers torque. As God intended.

>>28498857
>Wrench monkey
Lmao fucking weldlet fabricatorlet pipefittinglet

God damn you fucking wrench turners piss me off as much as carpenters.

>>28498949
>seethes more
lmao

>>28498952
>Has been seething at trucks on /o/ for at least 5 years
>Claims anyone is seething
Lmao just go bust your knuckles on a suspension arm already or whatever retarded shit you fucking assembler god damn.

>>28498964
>I-I'm not s-seething y-you are!
Do you even read what you typed before you hit post?

Man everyone's always hating on eachother bro whatever happened to respecting all bullds dudes?

I hate the new /o/ ai miss the old /o/ where people had fun and posted funnies.

@28498974
>claims to sleep
>actually replies instantly
lol

>>28498989
The population here dwindled so much, now it feels like there's maybe two dozen posters, and about 90% of posts/replies are from the same three autistic shut-ins (you know who). They don't drive their cars, they don't post about track days, races, road trips, or anything related to driving. They just recycle the same handful of five year old photos of their cars and yell at other people (for driving cars they've never driven).
>>28498879
It wasn't the car or the ESC/TSC, it was the driver. This type of overcorrection is a common cause of highway accidents. You've no doubt seen dozens of clips of SUV drivers doing the same thing as that miata, but they end up rolling over. There's only so much using your brakes can do to save the car at that point when the steering inputs are so wrong. Also notice the driver didn't hold the brakes, that mistake alone is what caused him to get hit by the truck.

>>28498879
>But why do that twice? Did he wire the brakes or something else wrong?
Who knows. Maybe he threw a turbo on the first engine, it blew, so he replaced it with a 2.5 liter or something. It's a common track car.

>>28498985
Literally only weeblet pikachubox ricelets say that shit

>>28499040
Track days and races are for nerds. I've posted multiple road trips
>eveeything is 5 yesrs old somehow!!!

>>28499056
Yes, that is what goyota weeblets tend to look like. They're nuch more brown though

>>28499059
>I've posted multiple road trips
Post it so I know which one of the autistic faggots you are.

>>28499040
>it was the driver
Aren't Miata drivers supposed to be a bit more experienced in such situations? As >>28499046 reminds just below your reply.
>Also notice the driver didn't hold the brakes
Yeah, I did, in the other thread. You don't do that in such situations, especially instinctively (as he supposedly claims in the green pasta above), the instinct is to press even harder.

>>28499069
I don't understand your point, can you try rephrasing. Holding the brakes during/after a spin is not something all people do instinctively, if you ever go on a track you'll hear them teach this to you because it's important. But it definitely would have saved his bacon here. Also if he just hadn't overcorrected so badly it wouldn't have been a situation at all.

>>28499066
Which one?

>>28499073
If the miata driver didn't escalate the situation with the truck, the truck probably would have just went to the next closest person to tailgate. Unless the miata was too SLOW to get away bmaooo

>>28498312
Train Avoider

I don't get why you people keep replying to him he isn't going away because you keep giving him (You)'s.

>>28499075
>thumb nail
bruh

>>28499073
I meant that Miatafags are known for bragging about both their driving skills and tracking their cars, and in 28497842, which is supposedly what the NC driver himself has written somewhere else, he mentions multiple swaps that probably mean extensive track usage (I too don't believe you can fuck a Mazda up that hard by regular driving). And people with track experience usually know what to do and what to don't in both types of situations: clipping the grass at high speed and spinning while other cars or obstacles are in close proximity.
Same for overcorrections, he must have been majorly distracted to do that imo, but he was actively tailgating another car right before the accident. Usually people are more concentrated while tailgating.

>>28499099
>everyone is me!!!

>>28499102
>bmw thumbnail retard posts a lexus

>>28499163
Problem?

>>28499116
In another post he said he "couldn't even see until the car stopped spinning". He sounds like a scared kid not an experienced driver. He also said in the above comment that he was moving quickly to get away from the truck and came up on the red car much faster than he intended. He had tunnel vision on the truck and was losing situational awareness.

>>28499099
It's just too easy to troll him into REEEing. I can't help but wind him up.

>>28499197
Yes, that seems plausible.

>>28498835
Yes they are different. Lift off oversteer is usually quite progressive and NOT sudden. Where as snap oversteer is sudden and is most common on mid and rear engined cars because more weight transfers faster than with a front engined car.

>>28497309
He really chirped

>>28499203
>>28499248
Delusional
>>28499294
Why'd you save my car and even use the same title bmaooo
Captcha: JGOOM

>>28499299
Wrong filename, nerd

>>28497577
I would've let the bitch ass truck driver bump me and then hit the brakes. Easy claim.

>>28499302
>>28499305
>>28499307
You could never be me

>>28499318
And yet

>>28497577
>tailgating nissan right up his ass
>trugger merges into your lane right into your side
>nobody behind you for a good number of car lengths
>decides to jerk the car left and then right instead of just braking
absolute skill issue, not paying any attention to the road. Situational awareness of a granny.

>>28499318
>it's good on a highway though

>>28499420
It is THOUGH

>>28499430
>highway cruzan!!!!

>>28499434
Problem?

>>28499439
>i am le epic trolololl

>>28499446
You riced out a civic lol

>>28499454
I've never even owned a Honda. Stop trolling in all these threads. Fuck off already.

>>28499461
Which threads?
>>28499054
This is my first post in the thread, by the way