Thread 28498504

we can't stop winning bros

https://reason.com/2025/07/02/under-the-big-beautiful-bill-car-companies-wont-be-fined-for-failing-to-hit-arbitrary-fuel-efficiency-goals/

>>28498525
why don't you just walk then, dumbass

>>28498525
we win when given the choice to make our own decisions, instead of a government forcing that choice upon us. this will also lower vehicle prices across the board by a substantial amount. it really is a win win situation for everybody who is not a big government loving climate troon.

>>28498531
>we win when given the choice to make our own decisions, instead of a government forcing that choice upon us.
does this apply to wars for israel? you don't need to actually answer.
>this will also lower vehicle prices across the board
no, it won't.

>>28498534
>israel
>we may be deporting every last spic in the country but did you know miga and billions for israel?
This israel obsession isn't organic right?

>>28498534
lmao

>>28498536
>>we may be deporting every last spic in the country
oh, you're still pretending?

>>28498531
>this will also lower vehicle prices across the board by a substantial amount.
it wont at all. mpgs and safety ratings are sort of a "no going back" thing. even if all regulations went out the window tomorrow, people are accustomed to getting 40mpg in their hybrids and 5 star crash ratings with 27 airbags. if dodge comes out with the "2026 shitbox deathtrap" that gets 22mpg from a na v6 and one airbag in the steering wheel, even if it costs 20k new, no ones going to buy it. this is how it always happens. there were no regulations that forced volvo to make their cars safer, but they did and everyone followed suit. there were no regulations that forced toyota to make the prius, but they did and now everything is a hybrid.

>>28498554
>even if it costs 20k new, no ones going to buy it.
Are you underestimating the average nignog?

>>28498554
This picture of the market neglects to consider the advantage of segmentation. There is always some small segment of the population that wants to pay less to get less safety and MPG and previously you weren't allowed to sell to them and now you are.

Another thing to consider is that car companies don't meet CAFE standards by making the cars more efficient, they do it by selling more SUVs and trucks. This is the regulation that determines how efficient the car has to be by the area of its wheelbase, and the standards for SUVs are so low that they're much easier to meet than the standards for cars. Now that the regulation is lifted they can start making small cars again and ironically the MPG of the average vehicle will probably improve.

>>28498562
i'm perfectly estimating them. if they were underestimated then nissan/mitsubishi would be the best selling brand in the world. that is sufficient proof that selling cheap shitty cars isn't a viable strategy.

>>28498525
do you really think this will cause fuel efficient vehicles to go away? there's still a huge demand for them. it'll just let manufacturers meet other demands that they previously weren't able to.

>>28498554
>people don't want to go back on safety
Is that why those women are making claymores out of their steering wheels?

>>28498554
Oh yeah, nobody would compromise safety or fuel economy. That's why all the truck and motorcycle manufacturers went bust years ago.

>>28498586
>truck
oh yeah you mean the trucks where the best selling models are all turbo v6s because they get better mpgs than the v8 options?

>>28498615
source?

>>28498550
Not him. If I was a douche and not worried about ethics or legality, cracking down on illegal immigrant labor to reduce the supply while simultaneously being the sole legal source of renting out said labor after its workers have been incarcerated would be a very lucrative business.

>>28498525
Although OP is an uneducated troglodyte, I never liked the retarded regulations that spawned giant trucks and suvs

> Arbitrary
> MPGs achieved by Toyota Hybrids 10 years ago

>>28498531
> Make our own decisions
> The external costs of gasoline emissions are not accounted for
pick one

>>28498565
>>28498699
You're about to be real surprised when it turns out people don't like tiny shitboxes and continue to buy SUVs and trucks because they're better.

>>28498714
Nope. That's because 10 years ago you were still shitting your diapers.
But NPCs(You) only like stuff because you're told what to like.
NPCs were told to like big trucks and suvs so because manufacturers had to make them.

>>28498709
Who actually cares?

>>28498504 (OP)
>give more of your paycheck to gas companies
>SO MUCH WINNING GUIS!

>>28498727
I'm likely older than you. Also why wouldn't normies like interior room, cargo room and practicality?

>>28498727
>NPCs were told to like big trucks and suvs so because manufacturers had to make them.
Did the government force Ford to make the F150 in 1978? Was that the reason it was the best selling vehicle every single year for 47 years straight (except 2009). Did the government force Toyota to make the Rav4 in 1996, which is now the current best selling vehicle?

>>28498742
>>28498755
Why are you NPCs so butthurt?
You got your NPC trucks. Everyone else lost.

>>28498766
Why would you assume I'm upset?

If you can't afford gas then you can't afford new cars so how does this even effect y'all? Lmao just keep your old cars with small engines, ez bro.

>>28498775
Because you are.

>>28498727
>>28498766
>>28498699
Truck Derangement Syndrome

>>28498781
Why would I be?

>>28498766
Everyone got what everyone wanted. Everyone wants trucks and crossovers. It's been that way since long before the Obama administration.

>>28498784
>YOU'RE DERANGED
>posts video of a trugger comitting attempted murder

>>28498795
Make another thread with a reddit video where you seethe at trucks, I always laugh when I see them.

>>28498798
>it's not that truggers are sub-human assholes, it's everyone else

>>28498810
seethe more for my amusement

two more threads and everyone will finally revolt against the hekin truckhuds

>>28498815
And this is why you'll never know what the inside of a woman feels like.

>>28498824
Kek, confirmed for being a fucking tranny, prove me wrong, post body.

>>28498827
>confirmed for being an incel

>i-incel
The leftypol tranny is on a meltdown again

>>28498838
go back

>>28498839
Follow your own advice
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/n/

>>28498838
>fox makes fluff piece for its impotent readers

>>28498842
>It's a conspiracy! Women aren't attracted to men who have money for trucks! They should be attracted to my 90's camry!

Who other than r/fuckcars would be upset at this.

>>28498846
Then why are you still a virgin?

>>28498531
>>28498554
As always, the biggest issue with making cheap new cars is that used cars exist. A new 80k car is exclusively competing with other new 70-90k cars. A new 20k car is competing with every used 30-40k car.

>>28498504 (OP)
holy shit we can have small cars again???

Amerifats are so stupid. In 3 years time, there will be a democrat president that will undo all this retarded shit, implement other retarded shit and the process will repeat a few elections later to the other way.

America is a stagnant, dying democracy.

>>28498885
nah trump will win a second term

>>28498853
I have two trucks

>>28498911
God you're so retarded.

>>28498883
this is a HUGE thing, actually

back in the '00s, there were REALLY good reasons to go with a new car, even a cheap one, instead of an equal price older car.
you got a car that was faster, quieter, more economical, more comfortable, and safer.

this is not the case anymore. a 2025 vehicle is not that much better than the same model from '05. sure, its probably a bit larger and a bit faster, but its not like the older model will have trouble keeping up with traffic, or won't have airbags, or lack A/C or ABS or anything showstopping like that.

and this is likely why we don't really get anything sub 30k anymore. the amount of used options below that range is absurdly large and there's no good reason to not consider them.

>>28498923
Nah, there actually have been some improvements since '05. I personally welcome glare-free adaptive high beams (roughly mid 2010s), they make night driving way more relaxing.

>>28498918
Make another Truck Derangement Syndrome thread already, I want to see you seethe.

Dance for me puppet.

>>28498931
what a stupid post
nobody uses adaptive high beams

>>28498951
They were illegal in the US up until very recently.

>>28498554
>if dodge comes out with the "2026 shitbox deathtrap" that gets 22mpg from a na v6 and one airbag in the steering wheel
So a jeep?

>>28498923
>ABS or anything showstopping like that
In what world is fucking [not having] ABS a show-stopper?

>>28498504 (OP)
Fucking. Awesome.

Give us back our goddamn iron block single cam V8 with shitty gas mileage.

>>28498904
Bro, remember: 4d chess. Think fourth term long after war breaks out.

FDR got away with it and he was stuck in a wheelchair. The Don getting way more time on cryo support can get you a chubby thinking about it.

>>28498714
Said SUVs and Trucks will be able to be made smaller now though because the key factor in CAFE classification is vehicle footprint (Wheelbase X track). It is a market that definitely still exists but has not been allowed to.
It is the exact reason the old ranger/S10 sized trucks were killed off, too small a footprint. The last Ranger had a footprint basically the size of a current Camry. Even with a shitty 1.5 and hybrid system you wouldnt hit the CAFE mandated 40 mpg in a truck that size.

Cars made in the last ten years will be looked up on like cars from the malaise era. Undesirable. And to think morons went out and dropped big money/went into debt on the piles of shit they've been cranking out...

>>28498531
Gov is already forcing a choice upon us by giving trillion dollars a year in subsidies to gas/oil. Trillion per year in war for gas/oil in middle east. Trillion dollars per year in subsidies for gas/oil burning poisoning our lungs in the cities and having that increase our health care insurance cost.

None of this matters when every car sold in the US still has to have driver monitoring AI cameras within several months.

>>28498536
SPICS OUT JEETS IN

>>28498554
>20K deathtrap brand new with no electronic nonsense.
Anon, this is a win win situation.

>>28499902
Then stop breathing lmao

>>28498525
Exactly, i dont know how they spin this as a win.

Amerifat is a third world shithole. In the civilized world, EVs are taking over.

>>28498525
Go back to your prius faggot. The efficiency crap and loopholes caused this garbage mess of big vehicles all around

>>28498554
Pretty dumb post ppl drive old unsafe cars precisely because they are cheap

>>28498529
Republicans won't fix sidewalks. They think sidewalks are communist infiltration routes.

>>28498504 (OP)
The new head of the EPA just fired about 400 TDS faggot retards. Things are looking better and better.

>>28498525
>we win when we pay more to travel the same distance

Lol, retard

Obamas fuel standards are the reason the small truck went extinct in the states

The fuel standards were made with retard communist math and it turns out the path of least resistance was making giant fucking trucks

I don’t imagine this will cause much immediate change or even much change in the coming few years, but assuming this isn’t just overturned by the next democrat president, we could see the elimination of ASS, AFM, DOD and other such technologies that serve to do nothing but establish slightly higher EPA MPGs at the cost of total reliability.

>>28498531
>government forcing that choice upon us
>let's let entirely profit-oriented company make all the decisions instead.
Looking forward to those fast-food pop-ups on your gps and subscription-based climate control.

>>28500405
None of that has anything to do with efficiency. Are you retarded? Every single "efficiency" law thats been implemented has simply made the car economy worse for the average joe

>>28500218
Sidewalks are a local municipal thing and wouldn't you know? Left wing cities can't afford shit because all their money goes into welfare

>>28500218
On your picture I can see who just broke the sidewalk slabs.

>>28498885
>A democrat will win by backing unpopular left wing shit
It's like you people have learned nothing