Thread 28498956

The OBBB basically eliminated CAFE Standards

you're never getting small cars back because you didn't buy them.

>>28498959
You lost, tranny.

>>28498959
Good, maybe we'll get proper sized cars back without having to hide them as "light trucks" like they've been doing the past 30 years.

>>28498965
trannies want small cars, not the majority of americans. trump's agenda supports big american cars.

>>28498965
>>28498966
you already lost in the other thread.
the best selling vehicle in the usa has been a truck for 45 out of the last 47 years. when did obama make cafe again? was it in 1987?

>>28498966
those are never coming back, either. because a truck fills the same role with more utility for most people.

>>28498965
Only trannies and women like small cars

>>28498970
cafe was a nixon era thing, it was a product of the '70s fuel crisis

>>28498956 (OP)
>>28498966
Land barges aren't coming back. Diesel cars aren't coming back. Old inefficient engines aren't coming back. Carmakers aren't gonna go back to the drawing board and make brand new models based on a policy change that is most likely gonna get rolled back in four years, and global consumer trends are moving away from these things regardless. All this does is give carmakers a tax break in exchange for nothing.

They will still make exclusively unaffordable cars for retards and banksters' pet niggers

Car companies have an opportunity over Trump's next 8 years to make a few amazing fucking halo cars

>>28498956 (OP)
VW has ptsd from dieselgate. the diesel vw is never coming back.
even though the emissions standards were what was ridiculous and vw engineers were based to outsmart it. they cucked too hard.

>>28498965
You lost even harder.

too bad japan and europe are still cucked. no one cares about burgertrash

>>28499161
They're just gonna lose access to American markets if they keep their restrictions, not a big deal

>>28499162
Why? Is America gonna forbid imports that don't pollute enough? Or are Americans just gonna stop buying BMW and Mercedes cold turkey because they just don't have that carbon monoxide smell to them?

Inb4 everything stays the same

>>28499028
you lost tranny

>>28499185
That's exactly what's going to happen unless it lasts through the next democrat president. In which case American manufacturers will cut corners stateside to make a buck and the Japanese will btfo them with efficient durable cars just like they did in the 80s.

We won't ever benefit from it.

>>28499198
the affiliation of the president is all but irrelevant, as reversing this would need an act of congress.

>>28499028
What this will do is remove retarded efficiency-killing shit like gasoline particulate filters and the 30 trillion other emissions things that do nothing but make fuel economy significantly worse for .03% less CO2.
We had 40+mpg cars in the 80s without hybrids.

Can car companies please quickly shit out a bunch of quarter ton pickups in the next 4 to 8 years so that when the time for Dems to take power comes, they can at least still appear in the used car market?

>>28498956 (OP)
>>28499218


The number one worst thing for efficiency, besides malformed 'crash safety' tests/regulations that simultaneously push cars to be both pigfatter and yet also disintegrate like tissue paper at the same time, is the fact that nitrous oxide was defined as a pollutant despite being non-toxic, which puts a hard cap on how high combustion temperatures can get, which in turn puts cap on how thermally efficient the engines can possibly be. (And, as an aside, also increases how much particulate smog and volatile hydrocarbon emissions there are in the exhaust.)
In other words, the law of the land is that engines have to be less efficient, not more, actually, and this is a Bad Thing(tm).

The CAFE standards with the "footprint calc" and light truck for CUVs distinction came from Ray LaHood in Obabo's cabinet. I think 2012. I remember it happening. CAFE existed beforehand but wasn't always like this.
You can't buy what isn't available.

Hopefully this means we get something like pic related

>>28499185
Has chud always been jewish?

>>28498956 (OP)
>small cars get ruled out due to CAFE regulations
>disappear from market because manufacturers could not make them achieve impossible standards
>"you didn't buy non-existent cars, chud!"

>>28499457
meant for >>28498959

>>28499181
you don't think merc and bmw will sell fewer suvs if ford and gm can suddenly start putting v8s back in everything?
how much better would the expedition sell if instead of a twin turbo v6 it had a proper NA v8?
how many 4pot hybrid glc's do you think merc will sell if they're up against v8 blazers, xt5s and edges?

you have to acknowledge that big part of what's wrong with today's cars is caused by the relentless pursuit of better mpg (at least on paper, in practice they're not improving much).
direct injection, forced induction, variable vavle timing, super thin oils, absurd complexity, all of that is so that manufacturers can lower their corporate average emissions.

and don't get me wrong, i fully appreciate the engineering achievements that have been made, its genuinely impressive what modern ICEs can do.
but its not free. the price is more expensive cars that are less reliable and harder to maintain.

we're well past the point of diminishing returns when it comes to emissions control tech, and we're better off stopping this madness now. or, better yet, rolling back the clock by a decade or so.
so, yea, FUCK CAFE. bring back port injected NA engines with as much displacement is needed for the application. mid-size sedans and suvs SHOULD have a v6. full size ones SHOULD have a v8. and chevy SHOULD make a c9 corvette with a v12, and the same for caddy and the next escalade.

>>28498956 (OP)
The next thing to eliminate is the 25 year auto import ban and chicken tax

>>28499497
this

>americans ITT defending worsening quality of products
my fucking goodness
no wonder the only people on earth who buy american cars are americans

>>28499475
the most straightforward way to improve fuel economy is extreme aerodynamics, but whether the public wants to buy cars like that is another story.

>>28498956 (OP)
Doesn’t matter, CARB is king and NO ONE will lose the California market. Deal with it chuds you can’t stop progress

>>28498959
I literally purposely always buy the smallest vehicle in the class I'm looking for regardless of brand. If you make it smol (~70" width or slimmer) i will buy it. I don't like not being able to maneuver through right spaces which city driving has a lot of.

>>28499694
*tight spaces

Not to be confused with OPs massive gaping asshole.

>>28499552
Isn't CARB about to be killed off?
We already the Supreme Court rule on Chevron deference.

>>28499457
there was A LOT of small cars up until 10 years ago and there is still some now,NO ONE in america buys them

>>28498956 (OP)
>please bring back my volkswagen that gets 38/48
Brother, Toyota has been producing Prius, Corolla, and Camrys that get better than that for over a decade now. Diesel's not even cheap compared to gas in majority of places.

>>28499457
>small cars get ruled out due to CAFE
>meanwhile Miata is still going strong and is smaller than majority of the shit people want back and it has a manual still
CAFE was never the issue.

>>28498973
kek, no, women like behemoth SUVs. men who actually enjoy performance driving prefer the nimbleness and handling of a small car. women and guys with masculinity complexes and closeted homosexual tendencies drive hideous massive suvs and trucks and the like.

>>28499185
Dodge announcing the last few weeks they are bringing back the hemi in everything is because they knew this was going to pass. Zero mainstream coverage of this being in the bill, it snuck through with 0 pushback.

The were phasing it out because the previous CEO wanted to stop paying the fines and buying emissions credits from Tesla.

>>28499550
Aero only helps above 50mph and even cutting the drag factor from 0.3 to 0.2, at 65-70mph would return you maybe 3mpg. Problem is as you reduce engine load for the same rpm pumping loss is going to increase, and EGR can only give back so much when the engine itself is only flowing so much (which is now less).
So no aero isn't the answer. It also does nothing for the vast majority of wasted fuel use, city driving.

>>28499550
The most straightforward way to improve fuel economy is making cars smaller. Frontal area is the number one contributor aero.
It is the reason 3 decades of technological advancement, hybrid systems, manufacturing tolerances, aero optimized bodies, yet we barely exceed what economy hatchbacks were doing in MPG 30 years ago.

>>28499359
>is the fact that nitrous oxide was defined as a pollutant despite being non-toxic
it's NOx i.e. oxides of nitrogen, not nitrous oxide

>>28499548
I don't think my fellow Ameritards really understand that even if Ford brought back the Crown Victoria tomorrow with a V8, it's still going to be loaded with computers and all sorts of plastic junk that will break 3 miles out of the warranty

>>28499806
A 2025 Camry gets 50 MPG, it has 225 hp.

A 1989 CRX HF got 50 mpg, it has 75 hp.

>>28499861
No reason to include the electric motors in the hp, they could throw in 1000hp electric motors and market it as a 1000hp camry. The 2.5 4 cylinder makes 184 HP on its own.
My main point is from the consumer perspective in a commuter car all they see is barely any mpg improvement. The market obviously has spoken and people prefer bigger and more power to pure mpg, but the fact that emissions and safety regulations has effectively gatekept away small cheap light gas sipping cars is a shame. All the engineering they do and it is stuck in these modern boats instead of something actually small.
Imagine a modern CRX HF with one of Honda's 660s tied to their new hybrid system, would probably be in the 70s mpg, given they hit 60mpg without any hybrid system in the kei cars.

>>28499700
Look at how states deal with court cases and gun rights.

Actually, I'll be nice and tell you: They just ignore inconvenient court cases and pass laws under different wording that accomplishes the same exact thing. Then use your tax payer money to defend it tooth and nail in court hoping the plaintiff runs out of money before them. Court case doesn't bend in their favor? Not a problem, just reword the law to something slightly different and do the same exact shtick.

>>28499548
People were completely fine and made do with cars made before.
Nobody can afford a fucking car anymore cunt, I'll gladly take a shit box of it means I'm not spending 20% of my income paying off the fucking thing

>>28499475
People buying BMW, Merc, Porsche, etc. are buying the badge first and foremost. These brands have a reputation that's not gonna go up in smoke the second an American company comes up with a "cheap" v8 car, hell it is a tired argument here that if anyone really cared about eyeball-popping performance at affordable prices (or at all) they'd be buying Teslas, and yet people continue buying cars that get destroyed in the drag strip by a Model 3. Also if you think American companies are going to give away v8s for the price of a 4cyl I'd love to be able to see your face when you see the prices if they ever do start selling them again.

>>28499903
>People were completely fine and made do with cars made before.
Define completely fine. Cars once had no seatbelts at all and people still bought and drove them, does that mean that was completely fine?
>Nobody can afford a fucking car anymore cunt
And yet the best selling cars in the US are trucks and SUVs instead of Nissan Versas, it seems people are willing to stretch themselves for some luxury.
>I'll gladly take a shit box of it means I'm not spending 20% of my income paying off the fucking thing
You're delusional if you think the prices are gonna drop noticeably, specially once consumers have shown they can indeed pay current prices. Any cost reductions, if there really are any, will go straight to the manufacturer's pocket.

>>28499861

Apply those technologies to something with 1/2 the frontal area.

Sure you can optimize a size and skew the numbers with battery range etc. which is why hybrids have better city ratings than highway ratings.

You still need to displace the air to move through it and a smaller frontal area takes less energy to displace less air with the same shape

>>28499795
this guy doubled the fuel economy of an early 90s Civic coupe with coroplast and aluminum bodywork he did in his backyard.

>>28499901
The Supreme Court already ruled on it though.
There's really nowhere else for them to go.
Any laws they pass would just be an immediate violation of the Supreme Court ruling.

>>28499999
Checked but you aren't addressing his claim

>>28499945
Fuck you retard, your arguments are in bad faith and I don't have to engage with a disingenuous cunt you brings up seatbelts to polarize the argument.
You've already painted yourself so despicably, I don't need to refute anything you've said.

>>28499548
its funny that american brands can out engineer european ones with less than half the R&D whilst only having money from the american market.

quite funny.

>>28499218
>We had 40+mpg cars in the 80s without hybrids.
My GM shitbox with broken hydraulic lifters get 38MPG, and would like get to 42-43MPG if the issue was resolved..

WTF are you smoking anon

>>28499993
can't unsee this

>>28499929
Not everything is about 0-60 and quarter mile times you carlet troon. I care about how well a car handles, so to date I've owned 2 miatas and 2 Porsches.

>>28498959
With the destruction of CAFE the east will swarm with small practical cars that are affordable.
Oh, who the fuck am I kidding, the automotive companies will lobby hard to keep them out.

>>28498956 (OP)
EU is also easing up on this stuff, it seems. But they'll never admit that it was retarded in the first place and is responsible for the destruction of the European car market, as long as these people are still in their positions. They need to be lynched, as should be the people responsible for the Covid debacle and the poisonous energy saving light bulbs. Burn them all at the stake.

>>28499448
Are you fucking serious?

>>28500093
no one is buying them, despite them already being several orders of magnitude cheaper than trucks, so that alone will keep them out.

>>28500098
You think no one is buying the Corolla, Civic, Mazda 3, Nissan Sentra etc?

>>28500100
none of those are small, and the sentra is being discontinued.

I know nothing about US politics but couldn't this bill be potentially repealed as soon as next year if the republicans lose big in the midterms?

>>28500103
No it's not, the Altima is being discontinued. What I listed are all compact cars.
>>28500125
No because that new bill lands on the president's desk and he could veto it.

>>28500126
>4,595 mm is now compact! and 24k is now affordable
then i guess CAFE never did anything to small cars. just move the goalpost and call the new larger car small. don't look at all these>>28499366 though.

At best they'll remix or continue some existing platforms/powertrains that would've otherwise been cancelled as the US market is big enough to justify that. But actually making new stuff is a no go after the wishy washy tariffs and when this could be repealed in 4 years.

>>28500126
bill only needs 2/3 majority

>>28498956 (OP)
ITS HAPPENING

>>28500140
they're never coming back to america without partnering up with another larger manufacturer for dealer support.

>>28500129
It's a class of car on the America you stupid cocksucker. Not reading the rest of your gay 3rd worlder seethe.

>>28500133
So a supermajority after it's been vetoed. In our most divided America of all time?

>>28500145
>It's a class of car on the America
so is "light truck". i'm starting to think your dumb ESL ass doesn't even know why people are complaining about CAFE.

either way, by your own admission, CAFE didn't kill small cars and the corolla, civic, and mazda 3 aren't doing shit to stop big three truck sells.

>>28500092
>I care about how well a car handles, so to date I've owned 2 miatas and 2 Porsches.
So no American cars.

>>28500092
>>28500162
sounds like it doesn't actually care about how well a car handles.

>>28500156
Stupid nigger has literally nothing but poverty measurement seething when I btfo him with my country's vehicle size classification.

>>28500166
The Cayman is faster around VIR. Nice brutal self-own there bud.

The Miata is an ND1 with 155hp, I keep bringing up how you never compare the ND2/ND3 and get radio silence in return. You're such a stupid no-car little niglet lmao.
>>28500162
I would never buy a coon built car.

>>28500193
>the cayman is faster by 80. of a second on a large track, but slower by more than a second on the smaller one that favors better handling
okay?
>The Miata is an ND1 with 155hp,
nope, its the 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRT7aFlm-zs
more power and still slower than a car on all seasons.

Im gonna be real nobody will buy small cars in the USA. Not with literal monster trucks being around as the norm, and the American tendency to be obese and wanting to haul an entire months groceries in one go. Americans will never buy a fiat 500 even if it was free. It just doesn't suit their preferences and life style, same with wagons dying off.

>>28499475
VVT and direct injection are good, provided thet aren't made by germans and their shitty plastic

>>28500200
>VVT and direct injection are good
there is no free lunch, anon.

vvt is awesome for allowing better intake/exhaust valve performance across the rpm range, but you pay for it by having a much more complicated timing system. have you ever seen VANOS units being replaced?

and direct injection allows for higher compression and more precise ignition timing control and cooling inside the cylinders, but again, you pay for it
instead of a simple fuel pump you now have 2, one of which is super high pressure. and along with the expensive af high pressure fuel pump, you also need high pressure lines and high pressure injectors
and, and this is the big one, direct injection GUARANTEES carbon buildup in your intake ports, which will necessitate (*will*, not may) cleaning them, eventually. because if you don't, the carbon buildup can cause poor intake performance and lead to lower mpg, lower hp, and eventually knock. oh, and also it can lead to blocked intake valves that literally cannot close.

so, like i said, i appreciate the engineering achievements, and by all means lets use them where appropriate. a high revving sports car engine should have vvt. direct injection, i honestly wouldn't use it anywhere except exoctics.
but the big thing is that all those things come with a price. there's no reason a cheap commuter appliance should have direct injection and vvt and forced induction, just so we can pretend its 1.5liter 3-cyl is more efficient than a plain ass port injected 2liter i4. there's no reason an e-class should have a 2 liter turbo i4 + hybrid system when we can just shove a simple NA v6 or i6 in there and call it a day. and there's certainly no reason whatsofuckingever for the c63 to be a turbo i4 with an electric turbo + hybrid system and 5000lb when all it fucking needs really is a fucking LS with an amg badge.

>>28500207
This is a reasonable post.

>>28500196
>nope it's the 2019
Lol it says right here it has 155hp you stupid ass
>>28500166
Get your license, touch grass, and drive a car before you post again and embarrass yourself.

>>28500207
>c63
Let's face it: c63 should have 6.3 liter engine.

>>28500196
The cayman is faster at laguna seca too, could it be... that all of those times are by different drivers on different days? Could there be more variables at play here? Of course not, you're a fucking HS dropout, pot smoking simpleton with nigger dick fantasies.

>>28500221
>Lol it says right here
right where? the video is from 2019, and that is the lap time the fastest lap image is referencing. so its the updated model with more power. stop clinging to this cope.
>>28500227
>the car on cup tires is .40 faster at this other longer track, too
wow, impressive. its also .60 slower around the figure 8. the camaro manages to create larger gaps on smaller courses.
>Could there be more variables at play here?
yea, better engineering out of the camaro to do more with less.

also, i'm not your boyfriend. i've been here longer than you and that cuck.

>>28500207
>but you pay for it by having a much more complicated timing system. have you ever seen VANOS units being replaced?
Read the second half of my post
VVTi in my Toyota just werks

>>28500246
>right where
???
>>28500166
What's the horsepower say, brown dog son?

>>28500246
Wait I thought it was 80. faster. So is it 80. or is it .80? Are you too fucking stupid to know the difference?
>yea, better engineering out of the camaro to do more with less.
Why is it slower on the two most recognizable tracks being compared? Why do you care about a fucking figure 8 time KEKW?

>>28500256
>What's the horsepower say,
irrelevant. the video of the car that did the lap is right here>>28500196 its dated 2019. so the car had more horsepower.
>>28500257
>Wait I thought it was 80. faster
sorry you're retarded and forgot we're talking about two tracks.

>>28500297
What number does grug see?
>>28500166
What number, brown dog son?

80. of a second

Blud doesn't even have a 4th grade education

>CAFE dead
>No tax on suppressors
>No tax on overtime

This could be the greatest administration in my life time

>>28499028
>all this does is give a tax break
Good

>>28499028
I think you may be retarded. Killing CAFE removes the necessity to have direct injected horse shit on order to balance power and emission standards

>>28499497
We need to replace them with a complete ban on all imports, fuck you and fuck the third world

>>28499945
Yes it was completely fine not to have seatbelts, for the same reason it’s completely fine to ride a motorcycle. These sorts of decisions about relative risk tolerance are not within the legitimate purview of government.

>>28500517
>t. mercedes jew

>>28500475
>>28500478
bruh can't read a date. he doesn't even have a 2nd grade education.

>>28499548
This makes the quality of product better.

>>28500574
>80. of a second
>retard thinks you can't drive a MY 2018 car in 2019
@grok is this guy a fucking idiot?

>>28499945
> Cars once had no seatbelts at all and people still bought and drove them, does that mean that was completely fine?
Yes.

>And yet the best selling cars in the US are trucks and SUVs instead of Nissan Versas, it seems people are willing to stretch themselves for some luxury.
No, it's because even the Nissan Versa with absolutely no add-ons pushes $20k, so if someone's going to have to deal with financing anyway, they might as well go full white nigger and finance themselves into something nice for a few years until the repoman comes.
> You're delusional if you think the prices are gonna drop noticeably, specially once consumers have shown they can indeed pay current prices. Any cost reductions, if there really are any, will go straight to the manufacturer's pocket.
Attached image depicts people totally-can indeeding-paying current prices, 2010-present.

>>28500207


Obviously the answer is opposed piston two-stroke engines with rotary valves. Sealing isn't an issue when peak pressure is handled by the pistons themselves. High performance diesel engines have long included up-stream low pressure injectors for carbon removal and multi-cycle operation as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5czHDU6pK8E

>>28500793
>Obviously the answer is opposed piston two-stroke engines with rotary valves
lol, no, the obvious answer is EVs.
and hopefully, when that transition is further along, it will also allow relaxing the emission laws so that sports cars can have proper reliable ICEs again.

>>28500710
I didn't realize it got THAT bad

>>28500842
ev's are a scam from the ground up

>>28498973
Car size is opposite to dick size

>>28499185
I'm all in

>>28498959
shut the fuck up. this gives manufacturers more room to work with.

>>28500853
they really aren't. electric motors are very old technology at this point.

>>28500858
stop thinking about dicks so much, fag

>>28500875
modern evs' main issue is their absurd batteries.

>>28500898
there's nothing absurd about them
the only issue with modern EVs is that a very sizeable fraction of the population just can't buy them because they can't charge at home. im talking about apartment dwellers, obviously.
and, unfortunately, it'll probably be a decade or more until charging speeds become fast enough to make that a non-issue, especially for the sort of EVs that apartment dwellers buy, used lower end ones.
that's not a battery problem, that's an infra problem. if governments weren't 100% hypocritical, if they actually cared about improving air quality, if all this horseshit wasn't only about taxing people using environmentalism as an excuse, they'd have passed a law mandating power outlets in every garage spot, and we wouldn't have a problem at all.

We also need to say that cars are safe enough. Stop adding new regulations to make cars safer. It is creating a Peltzman affect and people are doing stupid shit with their cars.

And it is making cars expensive as fuck

>>28500938
at this point, the only way to make cars safer is to make them bigger and heavier to take advantage of height and conservation of momentum imbalances. its sad to say, but soccer moms are indeed correct, bigger is safer, at least in a collision.

>>28500927
Its not about air quality though, EVs are objectively shitty cars that the consumer doesnt want. Hence the reason why used car prices remain so high

>>28500952
>Its not about air quality though
air quality is a pretty fucking big deal. 80% of the us population is urban and ICE exhausts are the main source of pollution they experience.

>EVs are objectively shitty cars that the consumer doesnt want
wtf? consumers are absolutely into EVs, the problem is how many of them just can't buy them.
objectively, EVs offer
-far better reliability
-far lower running costs
-quiet, refinement, smoothness that exceeds the best RR v12
-infinity power if you want it, cheaply too
-low CoM because batteries under the floor
-better packaging, way more interior space because no engine at the front, nor any transmission tunnel

the only actual drawbacks of EVs are
-they're unsuitable for sports cars, as they don't make sexy sounds and don't require shifting, which means no manual trannies to play with.
-they're unsuitable for towing long range, because towing destroys aero which destroys range
for every other application, evs are objectively superior to ICEs.

>Hence the reason why used car prices remain so high
used car prices are high because modern cars are expensive and shit, and 10-20year old cars are almost as good if not better when all things are considered.
when the new c63 becomes a 4pot hybrid, its no fucking wonder that everyone rushes to buy a used one with a v8.
when the new golf is 30k for a base trim with a 3cyl and capacitative buttons, its no wonder everyone rushes to buy a mk7 gti instead.

>>28500972
I'm not reading your cultist ramblings lmao, the fact that a 10 year old Lexus base model with 70k miles is going for $20k is all the evidence that is needed. EVs suck are are dying as we we speak

>>28500927
>the only issue with modern EVs is that a very sizeable fraction of the population just can't buy them because they can't charge at home. im talking about apartment dwellers, obviously.
>and, unfortunately, it'll probably be a decade or more until charging speeds become fast enough to make that a non-issue
every state is different, but they most apartment developments around here have at least 1 or 2 charging ports and newer built ones usually quite a bit more than that. there are also rows of charging ports at pretty much every shopping center/strip mall of substantial enough size (usually big enough to have a supermarket or big box store). but this is also NJ where 40% of our electricity comes from nuclear and they want to get that up.

>>28500978
> most apartment developments around here have at least 1 or 2 charging ports
And most apartment developments have far more than 1 or 2 inconsiderate pieces of shit. If you really think 100 average apartment dwellers can manage to share 1 or 2 charging stations between them you're beyond naive.

>>28498965
cool cars are gone forever, tranny.

>>28501006
apartment cattle shouldn't get any freedomboxes at all

>>28498973
Pure mental illness to behave like this in public

>>28501085
I called you tranny first, that makes you the tranny, you don't get to label anyone else a tranny that's how it works fart knocker.

>>28500664
>Guy in the video literally says its 2019 MY
>this fucking retard can't even understand English let alone read a date

>>28501123
You squabbling children need to grow up and settle this like men. Whoever cuts their dick off first gets to decide who the tranny is.

>>28500927
you are such a cuckold

>>28501130
I didn't watch your video, you stupid, gormless faggot. A 155hp Miata is 2016-2018 MY. The image you so love posting is of an ND1, dumb cunt.
>>28500166

>>28501320
>I didn't watch the evidence that shows the more powerful miata is slower
i accept your concession.

>>28499548
so european brands are as shitty as they are because of america?

>>28501435
What is blud yapping all this cap about?
>>28500166
I'm not watching some geriatric faggot drive a slow car even slower. Go suck off Randy Pobst irl already you creepy fangirl.

>>28501723
retard

in practice this changes nothing. its insane that the culture war has progressed to a level of derangement that performatively selling out the world for a profit is hailed as a major policy win on the right. i wonder what the excuse will be come the 50s.

>>28500493
There are times when I wish I could be a blissfully ignorant cultist like yourself.

>>28501765
Says the mong with his lips glued to Randy Pobst's pubic bone

>>28499706
>buy small car
>get rolled over by druggie driving ford F-150000
yeah CAFE is the reason why. it's been the most dangerous legislation ever passed.

>>28499728
>Buy Miata
>Get killed by druggie driving ford F-150000000 etc. etc.
CAFE was always the issue.

>>28499783
Only idiots wanted the CAFE standards in the first place, people argued that this would result in manufacturers making urban tanks that kill everybody even back when it was put into law.

>YOU DIDN'T BUY THE SMALL CARS
because the people who made small cars quit making them in the face of manufacturers making intentionally murderous urban trucks for the purposes of killing everyone but the driver

>>28502011
TAG TEAM
Bastard Bruiser 2000 "F-250 SuperDuty"
Child Chomper 3000 "Cupcake"

>>28502007
>>28502008
>i'm a pussy and CAFE is to blame
weak argument. you'll make any excuse not to buy small cars and blame everyone but yourselves.

>>28498956 (OP)
diesel road cars only existed because of CAFE and the Euro equivalent.

>>28499548
>serf can't make decisions for himself
is this why the EU puts 50% tariffs on all American cars?

>>28500530
traitor scum. buy american or get out.

>>28499185
If ICE tards were smart they’d wish for this.
>Hell yeah we killed CAFE! Now I can get my gas guzzlers back!
>Whaaaaat?! Gas prices just shot up to $8 a gallon!? And car smog became noticeably worse, to the point where normies are talking about bans again?! Elon is laughing his way to the bank with record EV sales?! How could this happen????

>>28498956 (OP)
So basically they put all the power in California's hands.

>>28504414
Why would gas prices shoot up because car requirements no longer force giant bricks? Would the existing price limits for gas be broken?

>>28501890
>not wanting to get taxed makes you a cultist
Redditor cultists like you are below animals.

>>28500974
cope cleetus

>>28500207
Best solution is combined port injection and direct injection. Thats the D4s from Toyota/Lexus. If remember correctly Suzuki Dual jet,
Ford PFDI. For some weird reasons VW decided to not give combined port injection and direct injection with their cars in America lately.

I do hope that port injection only engines will phased out together with direct injection only engines. Port injection only means going back into lower compression ratio engines.

>>28503499
Not. Diesels existed because they didnt have mandatory Adblue/Defluid system that most car drivers want to avoid.

>>28506616
>Best solution is combined port injection and direct injection.
that solves the carbon buildup issue, but again, no free lunch. you still have the expensive parts for the DI system and on top of them you have an extra set of injectors and an extra fuel rail.

>Port injection only means going back into lower compression ratio engines
so?
the whole point i've been trying to make is that thanks to the environmental faggotry, we've seen engines shrunk in displacement and cylinder count while exploding in complexity to maintain the necessary performance.
i WANT engines to go back to being simpler, and yes, that will mean less hp/liter. that's ok. we just need a slightly bigger engine to compensate. a bigger, but simpler engine, that can actually be maintained long term.

>>28506637
>that solves the carbon buildup issue, but again, no free lunch. you still have the expensive parts for the DI system and on top of them you have an extra set of injectors and an extra fuel rail.
I take that. These combined port injection+direction systems are proven to be reliable technology, very rarely fail and if failure ever really occurs, then its like once in whole car lifetime unless they choose to ruin everything by using plastic materials.

>Downsizing engines.
Forced induction made this possible and common. High compression ratios, combined port and direct injection on naturally aspirated engines kept non-downsized engines longer in production while improving performance+ fuel efficiency.

>>28506637
trvke.
less complex engines = less waste = more reuse = better cars that last longer for cheaper and are easier to produce.

greenfaggotry has fucked up almost every single major industry and it's all because the previous generation got all the low-hanging fruit fucking decades ago. But they'll conflate getting a 1% increase on efficiency to the real politicians of their Daddies time stopping the practice of burning coal straight to the atmosphere like they're eco-warriors and not retards creating ten times the pollution in the form of e-waste and disposable material goods that intentionally break.