How com their cars are so good?

What is their secret?

>>28502607 (OP)
That 5 step rorouni kenshin or some shit

>>28502607 (OP)
Guroriasu nippon enjiniiringu
Its basically spaceage

Their cars are about as good and reliable as any other brand. They just did well in the late 80s and 90s with simple, solid designs that were cheap and easy to maintain and it became a meme.

>>28502627
>they don't make 80s and 90s Toyotas anymore

They never tried to make anything fancier or faster, stuff just werked. Look at them now that they shoved timebomb turbo V6's in the SUVs. They will NOT last.

>>28502627
So should I, as a Europoor, get a BMW then?

>>28502636
They literally made the first twin cam turbo car in Japan retard

>>28502607 (OP)
All they make are soulless appliances. I can't imagine a worse fate than having to drive a modern Toyota.

>>28502647
Go watch some professional drifting, half the field now are Toyotas.

>>28502650
>professional drifting
shits gayer than gay porn.

>>28502659
>But it's not the type of soul I LIKE
Let me guess... you want a twingo?

>>28502607 (OP)
goyotas suck though. I had a gs350 fspprt and even the E39 is better
The E39 is better than any goyota, by the way

>>28502675
MOGGED by a JZ bus

>>28502687
>ebonics

>>28502716
>boomer thinks everything is ebonics

>>28502720
>zoomer can only "speak" ebonics

>>28502728
>boomer still thinks it's ebonics

>>28502734
>>28502734
>sus bus cap jay-z mognog frfr on gods bmaooo isnt' ebonics!!!

>>28502744
>the boomer is confused and enraged by unfamiliar terms and assumes them to be ebonics

>>28502747
jay-z fucking sucks though sus bus cap fr fr on gods mognog

>>28502607 (OP)
>What is their secret?
>person cares about reliability
>person sees that people from brand keep their cars for long periods of time
>person buys car from said brand
>person does scheduled maintenance
>car ends up lasting long time
It's that simple. People who care about their cars make them last longer. The brand hardly matters. You'll find retards like >>28502627 who will drive their cars into the ground after 2 years then blame the brand because they refuse to do basic maintenance like 5k oil changes.

There are exceptions to this in the case of first gen cars with recall issues / defects, or in general brands that purposefully design their cars to explode after 200k like most German brands.

>>28502749
>these words... what do they mean!?!?!

>>28502749
Hey, it's you. I'm chewing on a dried poppy pod rn. Fuck 3 years clean, the real me will be back in just a few minutes. I might even go for a nice walk in the woods in stead of spending all day shitposting.

>>28502641
Yes. You'll enjoy it.

>>28502665
Not him, but I do. Twingo, fit and miot are so qt.

>>28502744
>>bmaooo
There is only one Turk on this board who can bend this word to his will, and he does not share power.

>>28502607 (OP)
Overpriced and unreliable

>>28503502
>J.D. Power
>Dodge & Ram 1 & 2

>>28502642
Why can't modern cars look so good?

>>28502607 (OP)
Because they are autistic about cars-- they have bought back cars that lasted to inspect them. They keep the same platforms/engines for a long time. Etc etc

I was looking at maybe getting a new Camry. It's a near perfect car for highway driving.
> ~$30k for base trim
> 50 mpg
> 225 hp (not fast, but enough to merge and pass safely)
> comfy
> pretty quiet
> lasts forever
> one of the best paint colors I've ever seen
> looks alright

One potential fault is that it's manufactured at the Kentucky plant, which is better than Mexico, but I'd rather have a Japanese manufactured car if given the option. The current Prius is Japanese manufactured and gets even better mpg for the same price as the Camry, but it's significantly smaller, less comfy, and a bit slower.

>>28502607 (OP)
If they fuck up they have to commit sudoku.

>>28502607 (OP)
Only their hybrid and Landcruisers are better. Their petrol cars weren't any better

>>28503695
This. You buy Toyota for the hybrid engine

>>28502607 (OP)
>com
>their

>>28502716
BBConics

>>28503712
What's wrong with "their", esl-kun?

>>28502607 (OP)
Glorious Nippon steel, folded over 1000 times

>>28502607 (OP)
If you're talking about previous-gen cars, they kept reusing outdated but proven designs. However, with the new models, they’re no longer reliable.

>>28502753
>People who care about their cars make them last longer. The brand hardly matters. You'll find retards like >>28502627 who will drive their cars into the ground after 2 years then blame the brand because they refuse to do basic maintenance like 5k oil changes.
Did you mean to respond to me? All I said is they're about as reliable as other brands, which you also said. I've never had a toyota and feel nothing when I think about them. I've owned cars for over a decade and been well over 300k miles, do my own oil changes way before the maint schedule says and changed a water pump on my own as a teenager. I'm literally a mech engineer who has worked for car companies since '07. You made some big assumptions there.

>>28502627

Good, now make one with more than 90 horsepower that I can drive daily and not look like a fast and furious roleplayer.

>>28502607 (OP)
Slow incremental improvement over a long time and keeping the qame architecture for decades. Toyota shits the bed just as much as the german brands when they come out with a new drivetrain, but they keep the same drivetrain for so long that by half its production life it's rock solid and said production life is far longer than.

Compare ad contrast with the Class S, in which Mercedes shoves every single half-baked " innovation" they ca think off. Yes, it's cutting edge. Yes, something will break very quickly.

>>28502607 (OP)

>>28502607 (OP)
Eh, they're not doing so good anymore with the degrading wiring issue, sticking to halogen headlights for 15 years after they've been obsolete, now switched to LED headlights that aren't meant to be replaced by the user. Even replacing trans fluid is prohibitively difficult. They're going out of their way to make their cars need repairs and dealer maintenance now. All that being said I'd still buy one over the Mazda POS I have now. They do a lot of little things right that you wouldn't even think other manufacturers could get wrong. I will never fucking buy a Mazda again, I would just be wary of Toyotas and not buy their CVTs or hybrids. My last car had a CVT that blew up around 90k miles. The hybrid battery was fried by 110k and the warranty claims to be up to 150k. But for that warranty to be valid, you have to have your battery inspected every 20k miles. It's $400 per inspection. Total scam, always read the fine print. I don't understand the dick riding for a company that does shady shit like this.

>>28503970
>My last car
It was a Corolla hybrid btw. Did not stand the test of time. I drive like a granny and the thing ended up feeling like a 300k mile vehicle at 100k. Everything had gone to shit on it from the suspension to the transmission around 80k miles.

>>28503516

>>28503970
Which mazda and what problems?

>>28502607 (OP)
they are the only japanese manufacturer that still competes in the WEC so that should tell you something

>>28504026
That the WEC is irrelevant?

>>28504016
2023 CX-30, I'll have to make a list. It's petty shit mostly but never had these issues with Toyota. I've driven Nissans, Fords, and Chevys that have their own host of way worse issues but this is just nitpicky stuff I don't like along with actual breakage/quality issues.

>doors don't stay open, if I'm loading stuff in they slam shut on their own. They're off alignment & also have to be pried open. The passenger door is so bad that a girl can't open it, I have to open the door for them.
>sun visor broke from normal use and just dangles. I have to keep a chip clip on it to keep it from dangling and hitting my head when I get in and out. The car dimensions are a whole problem on their own, the back seats are unusable. It has decent trunk space, they could've just given more leg room and cut into trunk space, but if you look at reviews you can see how comically small the back seat is, a human cannot realistically fit.
>headlights always stay on when the car is in motion, you do not have the choice to turn them off ever.
>can't adjust the seat while the car is in drive. Even if it's not in motion, it has to be in park to adjust the seats.
>none of the safety shit works reliably, it only alerts half the time so the programming is just bad. Definitely not safe to rely on any of these features. You can turn off the anti collision braking, but it always turns back on upon restarting the car. It also has bad programming and has almost caused 2 accidents when it detected a car in a different lane braking and slammed on my brakes causing the person behind me to almost hit me. I have to go through a whole settings menu to turn it off every time I start the car.

There's other shit I'm not remembering, I've been infuriated by the safety and programming shit many times and not just thr stuff I've listed. The engineers didn't give the user any choice when it comes to this nanny bullshit that doesn't even work. 0% chance I would ever buy a Mazda again.

>>28504118
And warning lights up the ass. I don't even bother with most of them because as soon as I turn some off, others pop up. This is what my dash looks like at any given time. 2 year old vehicle btw. Oh yeah I remember more issues:

>AC doesn't work if it's too hot out, blows medium temperature air.
>valve stems on 2 tires are having issues and leaking air, have to refill my tires every couple days until I can get it fixed.

There's one minor thing Toyota does that I haven't seen any other company do. In the 2 cars that I've owned, they put a plastic tray under the trunk where you can keep extra stuff all nice and organized. In this POS it's just styrofoam under the trunk, which is just a layer of carpet over styrofoam and the spare tire. There's no sturdy floor to the trunk and it sinks down when I put something heavy in it.

literally just using tested outdated tech

>>28502642
>>LBGT
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>>LBTG
>>fag

>>28502675
Honestly this.
>reliable =/= "good"
Theyre appliances for normies who take it in to jiffylube when (if) they remember to change the oil.
They "work" and "function" as well as a light switch or door hinge.
Theyre the basic bitch white girl of the automotive world.

not making a thread for a question like this and since this is toyoter, I thought I'd toss this out there.
which one? I like the blue one. slightly higher mileage but way better price + the dealer serviced it (replaced brakes, starter, front lower controls arms). but maybe that 10k miles is worth another $2k.
>with that said, the goldish one reduced the price by $1k today. It's been on their lot for 20 days

>>28504884
Those are highly overpriced for a higher mileage vehicle. You're buying the brand. I was the one hating on Mazda earlier, but the reason I bought it is because you get a lot of the luxury features and looks for much less than luxury brands. I bought mine with 18k miles on it for $26,000. Top level trim, lower trim levels you still get a lot of the features. The most cost effective one I found was 16k miles for $21,000 and that was sticker price. He heavily indicated he could get it down lower but I wasn't interested in haggling since it didn't have a sunroof and that was something I wanted.

Lexus is g2g but you pay a lot for them and it's just not worth it imo. It's a Toyota, you could get the Toyota it's based off of for much cheaper and not have a bunch of gay features. I was forced to get leather seats that I didn't want just to have heated seats and a sunroof, which really aren't even luxury features but that's what they had me paying all these extra thousands for. I could've just gotten a heated seat cover. Doesn't even have heated steering wheel, mirrors, wipers, or any of the actually useful stuff for snow. I hate this piece of shit.

I am reading this comparison test of a Land Rover Defender and a Toyota Land Crusher and the Toyota is getting CRUSHED:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/our-cars/2025/land-rover-defender/month-3/

I love UK magazines for being more honest and critical than American ones which often read as ads (remember the fawning uncritical early Tesla reviews)

Apparently the Toyota is cheap inside, crude and rough and the diesel they sell it with there is terrible.

>>28504884

Here's a 2013 RX350 with 77,000 miles for $17K

https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/113789492

>>28505188
The nulandcruiser is not a real Land Cruiser. It's a nameplate they're selling for a schoolbus sized fatass hauler. Even the 4runner has gotten fuckhuge and underpowered. Toyota doesn't have a good offroader, and yes their quality is dwindling so a lot of the parts are cheap. Plastic shit breaking off a Toyota within the first few months of ownership is to be expected. Look at all the ones you see on the road, all the bumper covers are crooked because the plastic pins get brittle and break off. They have plastic hanging off the bottom of them all the time too for the same reason.

>>28504166
>he doesn't want a Lift Back Grand Tourer from the days when trannies were still in the closet
Very gay indeed

>>28505203
It's a Land Cruiser Prado. It is real its just the size small they sell more globally. The interior is really fucking cheap and basic though and the solid rear axle is a mistake you don't need that with locking diffs - the land rover has independent front and rear suspension. It's very odd they don't sell a longer and wider version specifically for America given almost every review mentions how cramped it is and it's competing with generally larger vehicles.
>Even the 4runner has gotten fuckhuge and underpowered.
the most damning element I read is that they use a much nicer exterior camera setup in the tundra (and I assume the related land cruiser as well) whereas the tacoma and 4runner get low res 360 cameras
I love my 360 camera I use it on dirt roads all the time. I just wish you could force it to stay on above 12 mph (kia).

>>28502675
Moggged by the jzx100

>>28502607 (OP)
They were very good at finding what worked and stubbornly refusing to move away from it. Model years where they had to make big change (introducing a turbo, new transmission option, etc...) are usually iffy. One of the most surprising things about the Prius was that it was so good out of the gate; everyone had expected it to have tons of teething issues, and they just didn't. Of course they ended up blowing head gaskets at 100k until they fixed the piston rings in 2014, but still.

The issue these days is the Toyota Tax. Because even if their current lineup is nowhere near as bulletproof as last decade's, they are pricing in a premium for the aura of 'reliable like no other'. Cross shop with a similar Honda vehicle and you can see how silly it is.

All that to say I want to replace my absolute base model Versa hatchback with a CT200h soon. Because its the fancy Prius.
>get one without the stupid flip up screen
>delete rear view camera
>car is now correct

>>28505232
for me it's the x80 platform

>>28505184
Mazdas are good. I drive a Cx5 a lot but I wouldn’t say it’s a really smooth ride either. I need to sit in an rx350 and see if it’s smoother and worth the $.

>>28502607 (OP)
My 2021 toyota corolla has all kinds of problems.
CV joint/axle needed replacing and now the suspension is all going bad.
70K miles
My shitbox 2007 ford fusion didn't have suspension problems until 200K miles.

>>28505822
Toyota is known for their suspension shitting out early. Don't replace with OEM. I put some cheap Chinese pre-assembled suspension on my Rav4 and the thing drove so damn smooth after that. You might have a blown strut, makes the same noise as a bad CV axle, but way easier to replace a strut (if you use a pre-assembled suspension).

They make one new car every 10-15years and then just make improvements to it. Right now their newest Gen is having problems, but they will absolutely be iorned out in the span of 3-5years and then become extremely reliable.

>>28506032
Gen 1 Prius came out in 1997. I had a 2015 that was complete junk. Transmission, battery, and suspension all blown within 80k miles. Guarantee you can buy a brand new one and it won't last 120k without being so shitty you'll want to sell it. They're not built to last anymore. You're going off the reputation they had in the 80s-90s up until the very early 00s. The shit they put out now is garbage.

>>28502607 (OP)
how do we feel about the toyota supra 2020?

>>28505227
IMO Toyota's problem with cramped SUVs and trucks isn't really a size issue, it's an ergonomic design one. All of their vehicles since about 2010 have had a completely fucked steering wheel to pedals distance. I occasionally have to drive my mom's '12 Prius (she has a hard time getting up into my truck) and it's really bad, and I sat in a brand new Tacoma Trailhunter a few weeks ago and it was barely better and added the new issue of the steering wheel not going high enough - even with the seat all the way down and the wheel all the way up the top was still blocking the dash, and I'm only 5'10" so I can't imagine what it's like for a 6'+ guy.

>>28506096
Honda Suzuki best desu ne?

>modern toyotas are shit

explain this then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjWa4nqdDwo

>>28504118
>own 2021 CX30 turbo
>goose the shit out of it everyday otw to work
>pull the ABS fuse and do donuts all winter
>adjust the seat while it's in drive
>change oil at 8000km, otherwise normal maintenance
>only issue is evap code because i overfill the tank
did Mazda quality seriously drop of that hard in 2 years?

>>28503402
Cappu cuteness mogs them all

>>28506395
nah I have a 2024 CX-30 na and it's been perfectly fine
based for sharing info about the fuse i had no idea

>>28502607 (OP)
They aim for mass market boring cars that are reliable. Its lame but it works.

>>28506395
Nah they’re great. One guy had a bad experience I guess. Have a 2022 Cx5 and it’s bulletproof.

>>28506912
I will say, I noticed the difference with the TNGA platform - the old camry was ok - but the new camry (since 2018 I think) is a common uber car and you can FEEL how much comfier the new platform is and indeed its one of the most comfortable riding cars
the interior is an absolute shitbox and the engine is a whiny horse but the suspension is great for the price

>>28506920
mazda badly needs new platforms and engines and not recycled 10 year old designs

>>28502607 (OP)
>reuse parts wherever possible
>problem identified on 1 car
>upgrade is applied to entire fleet that uses that part
>nigger hands had no part in its manufacture.

Simple as that

>>28506395
What fuse do I pull to have an option to keep the headlights off and can I cover the cameras to make the "safety" bullshit not work?

>>28504118
> I have to go through a whole settings menu to turn it off every time I start the car.
Jesus christ, i hate this gay shit, they're all like this now.

>>28503543
>Why can't modern cars look so good?
Rounder shapers are more aerodynamic and safe for pedestrians.
more aerodynamic=more fuel efficience

>>28502607 (OP)
Most of Toyota engines are the same, but detuned versions from those engines that first used to be in their more expensive Lexus cars with more power. Excluding those 2022+ unreliable 2.4l liter turboengine, 3.4l twinturbo V6(including hybrid I force max).

>>28503502
>2023.
I would like to fart on you for posting such old list.

>>28509832
Wow, Land Rover managed to stay out of the bottom three this year. I wonder how that happened.