Is it THAT much of a hassle to change your own oil?

it was on my car. getting the oil filter off was so fucking painful, it took the absolute most time out of everything else.

>>28504909 (OP)
I don't mind doing it on my sports cars. The daily, no thanks.

>>28504925
on a side note, had i just paid someone else to do it i wouldn't have lost my phone. now i can't jeet dash until i get a new one.

>>28504909 (OP)
It's not that much more expensive to have it done at the dealership because they send me coupons every 6 months. I also drive an old shitbox so I don't care about it that much. If I was starting over with a brand new car I'd install a fumoto valve and autistically do everything on it myself.

>>28504909 (OP)
How am I supposed to do that when I have street parking and no driveway? Am I suppossed to just put it up jacks in the street where every other retard can "accidentally" drive into it lightly while im under there so I die?
Renting a lift costs not much less compared to having the indie shop do it for me, they dispose of the oil for me for free too. I just hand em the oil I use myself. Its like 20$

Don't care about the cost or the convenience of it. I don't want fucking monkeys stripping the drain plug or leaving the old filter o-ring on so now it has two and spews oil everywhere.

>>28504909 (OP)


I don't change my own oil because saving a few bucks would make such a difference.
I change my own oil because the shop will charge you premium price while giving you the cheapest gutter oil and shittiest paper filter they can pull off the shelf to pocket the difference when I could be running with ultra platinum or amsoil with a fram endurance or purolator boss instead while still costing less. And that *does* make such a difference.

>>28504909 (OP)
I've been putting it off for ages in my van because gasoline is getting into the oil and I don't feel like changing the oil until I figure out why and put a stop to it first

It's only messy if you're sloppy.

I would never let anyone else touch my sports car. Stripping out bolts, putting the filter on too tight, forgetting the washer. Using some cheap ass oil.

For my daily, that's what the warranty is for. It covers all maintenance, and idc if they fuck it up. Their problem

$80 synthetic with filter done at Mazda, then I bitch about them charging me for 5 quarts when the car takes 4 and they take $15 off for the hassle, so $65 for synthetic and OEM filter is like $10 more than doing it myself with mobil1 synthetic and pure one filter. I would rather not take used oil containers in the Miata so yeah I pay slightly more for a lot more convenience. Plus jacking the car up is a dance in a half.

>>28504909 (OP)
I can change the oil on my Lexus in 17min for $64.
No oil change place is gonna beat that time.

>>28504909 (OP)
10x faster and less hassle to do it myself

>>28504909 (OP)
its very vehicle dependent. some rock, others are ass
my wifes jeep cherokee
> oil filter has a nice cut out in the skid plate
> drain plug is right there, no fuss
> 5 quarts
done in 15 minutes
my mustang
> oil filter behind a plastic panel, which gets oil all over the place
> plastic screw-off oil drain plug, pain to get off
> 10 quarts, so cant just throw it into one 5 quart container
my gto
> 40 lb cast iron skid plate covering the filter and drain plug
> drain plug faces towards the right wheel
> have to drain it flat in order to get all the oil out
> 6.5 quarts, just a nonsense number
the easy ones i enjoy, the hard ones just make me angry

>>28504909 (OP)
I feel him. I know I can change my oil but I cannot be bothered to do it.

>>28504909 (OP)
>Is it THAT much of a hassle to change your own oil?
Yes

>>28504942
Just drive half the car up on the curb retard. Park over a storm water drain and don't drop your tools. You don't even need a jack, or an oil pan if you do it that way.

>>28504942
Man if only there was a way you could reposition your vehicle to somewhere where it's not at risk of getting hit by traffic you lazy retarded jeet

A lot of people on /pol/ are proudly retarded.

>>28505087
yeah they can beat that time.
>cross threads the drain plug
>don't forget the TIP

>>28504909 (OP)
>tfw was in that /pol/ thread mentioning saving money with diy filters

>>28504909 (OP)
apparently so. my boss spent 500 bucks for a spark plug and oil change on a 2020 rav4

>>28505178
The drive there and back would be longer than. My entire oil change.
I value my time.
That's why I only visit 4chan when I'm on the clock.

>>28504909 (OP)
tldr

>>28504909 (OP)
Imagine getting buck broken by based wrenchlets so hard you take it from /pol/ to /o/

>>28504909 (OP)
Lexus GX. Yes. Awful. Easier to change a compressor on a classic than change the oil on this fucking thing. Oil filter cap was plastic too and would barely budge. (Changed to aluminum this time) Still do it myself because nog employees gonna ugga dugga nugga.

>>28504909 (OP)
it costs me $60 to change my own oil vs taking it to bmw where the oil alone would run me $148.

>>28504909 (OP)
>"i save TIME and time is MONEY"
>has to drive the car to the dealer or mechanic and arrange someone else to drive them back later or sit there twiddling their thumbs browsing no doubt tiktok until its done, then drive back home after
Its cheaper AND faster. Takes like 1 minute to go into autozone and grab oil and a filter, and auto stores are everywhere so you can easily do it while doing other errands

people like this have zero sense of accomplishment and self-gratification for a job well done. they're bots and should be ignored. usually fatherless npcs have this opinion.

>>28504909 (OP)
>/pol/
stay there

>>28504909 (OP)
Not going to read that. I change my oil if it's convenient. However my dealer does these $25 changes that I can't beat in supplies alone. They are doing it to bring in people who haven't done maintenance in a while to give them a laundry list of stuff needing to get done to get them to do it.

It's 100% worth the marginal extra money to just drive into jiffy lube and drive out 10 mins later.

>>28505627
Quik lube places kinda suck in my opinion, it's like paying the money that wrenchlets pay, but without the benefit of a multi-point inspection that a good indie or the dealer would do with the car on a lift, because they won't inspect the car's joints, brakes, whatever else at a quik lube place, they just kinda change the oil, check filters fluids like /o/ anons themselves might do and send it on as quickly as possible, meanwhile if something's seriously loose and about to kill your ass, it may go unnoticed, also the dealer is so competitive with quik lube places in price that it's ridiculous, also you've got people working on your car that are not only taking their time to not fuck shit up, but you're getting a good inspection.

>>28504909 (OP)
99% of /o/ posters don't own a set of wrenches or sockets

Under 10 minutes, every time. I don't even have to lift it at all - perks of being skinny.

I'd rather change it myself. Doesn't take long and I know exactly what is going in and I can take a glance at what is coming out to check the health of the engine. I don't trust the drongos at some cheap shop to not do something retarded.

>>28505638
The main advantage of quick lube places is you can just swing by anytime. No appointment. Then be out in 10 mins.

>>28504909 (OP)
I pay $100 for valvoline to change my oil.

>>28504909 (OP)
I can 100% understand why people can't be bothered. You need tools (which you should own a basic socket set at a bare minimum for life in general anyway, but whatever, such is the life of the modern man), ramps / jack + stands, oil container, then you have to deal with the mess that comes after, getting rid of the oil, so on and so forth... all that to save maybe 10 or 20 bucks? I myself refuse to let anyone touch my cars, but I've never known any of my non-car friends to have a problem with a garage doing the work for them, and oil changes are *so* quick and cheap for shops that I think I'm a mug for still doing them myself, really.

>>28505641
Really bad case of manface on that one.
I'm dumb enough multiple of the same sets just with different drive size. It works out though since half inch is overkill for most stuff and the quarter inch came with a screwdriver that I can attach the ratchet to the back of so it's easy to start hard access bolts and then pop the ratchet on and get it tight enough.

>>28504909 (OP)
$50 like once a year (I don't drive very far) versus paying that much just for the oil, yikes, heck, etc

>>28504909 (OP)
Yes, changing oil is a simple and streamlined enough job for any shop, so they can do it fast, bill you reasonable amount, and they are less likely to fuck it up. Changing oil by yourself is not so fast and streamlined without a proper lift and a catcher, it can result in a lot of dirt, it's not rewarding enough for most people compared to other types of wrenching, because it's like cleaning a toilet compared to installing a new faucet.

Personally I prefer doing it at my mechanic because it helps me to keep contact with him (I do most stuff myself but occasionally I can't or don't want to fix some particularly nasty problem so I go to him) and it helps him to earn money. Him having a big barrel of genuine oil also helps, I don't have to order it from somewhere for higher price.
Less frequent and more demanding jobs like replacing the ATF (because it's a specific type of fluid most garages don't have readily available, specific gasket and specific procedure to set the level right) I prefer to do myself.

>>28504909 (OP)
>Can't even change his own oil
>Calls others a faggot
No the faggot is him cuz if he bent over to do any work his butt plug might slip out.

>>28505141
Based.

>>28504942
Pick a quiet street and do it there

I do it myself on my bike but not my truck. Working as a mechanic for a few years ruined doing it at home for me, crawling around on the ground under a car on jackstands sucks extra hard after having a lift, and my current house doesn't really have a good place for it, I have two separate single car garages and the driveway is cast into a brick/cobblestone pattern that makes jackstands iffy and hard to roll jacks and creepers around, plus it's pristine right now and I don't want to risk stains.

>>28505593
>Its cheaper AND faster. Takes like 1 minute to go into autozone and grab oil and a filter, and auto stores are everywhere so you can easily do it while doing other errands
Hell I have a cabinet full of filters, barrels full of new oil and a barrel of waste oil all within a corner of my shop within 10 feet of each other. They are just around the corner from a large overhead door. Pull on the slab, open the overhead door, look at underhood notes written with paint marker telling me drain plug size, Napa filter number, and oil capacity. Grab wrench and drain pan and toss them under the vehicle. Slide under vehicle. Pull drain plug, pull filter. Let them drain while I pump correct amount of oil from the bulk oil barrel. Grab correct new filter from cabinet. Slide back under vehicle, put drain plug back in and new filter on. Fill up crankcase with correct amount of oil. Start vehicle and check for filter base leaks and let it idle for a minute. Shut it off to let oil settle to recheck dipstick and while waiting empty drain pan into waste oil barrel. Recheck dipstick. Done.

Took longer to type out the process than it takes to actually do it.

>>28505768
>Really bad case of manface on that one.
That’s a man.

>>28505671
Yeah that way the next lube monkey has to worry about unfucking the rounded off drain bolt

>>28506282
That would explain it then.

>>28504909 (OP)
Yeah. Where I live they only take used oil once a year, so if you do your own oil you have jugs of the shit lying around until our designated oil time comes. Besides that, the oil place isn't much more expensive than oil + filter, so what is the point?

>>28504909 (OP)
I go to a shop where I provide my own oil/filter and pay $25 for the service. I can see them working while I wait so I know they aren't screwing me. I don't do it myself because I'd rather spend $25 than get drenched in oil/have to crawl under the car/get yelled at by the HOA (I know, I know, shit sucks).

I can do it if I absolutely have to, but fuck it. I got enough shit to do.

Another advantage of driving a high riding truck is that it is just so easy to service. No jacks or ramps required. Just lean under and undo the plug. Wait twenty minutes, put the plug back in and change the filter, also from underneath. Easy peasy. I'm done in half an hour.

>>28505715
>all that to save maybe 10 or 20 bucks
>70 CAD for non-bargain basement oil and filter
>120ish at any mech for an oil change

you had me until you pulled this number out of your ass. I agree for the average retard or normie who's/notools/ it would have a much less practical buy in, but once you have the basics, plus a breaker bar/torque wrench, you can save a decent amount of money annually by doing your own tire rotation/winter tire swap and oil changes

>>28504909 (OP)
Don't have to change your oil if your engine burns it before it can get old. Just top up forever.

>>28504909 (OP)
I've had mechanics fuck up my oil change by forgetting to take out the old gasket. All my oil leaked out. Luckily I noticed so my truck didn't get rekt that day.

>>28504943
I came here to post this

>>28507382
Retard take. I have the same shit going on in my shitbox. Changing the oil filter slows the burn, especially when you put additives in the new clean oil

>>28507378
>have friend
>complains it costs 200.00 to get an oil change on his charger
>bro you have a big ass engine, its gonna cost
>wants to learn to diy, if you value your car dont trust mechanics etc etc
>i teach him
>cost him 100.00 for oil and filter, and 30 minutes of his time
>hes very happy
but it always comes down to
>for wannabe wrenchlets its worth learning
>for the lazy its worth paying someone else

>>28505638
Dealerships are full of retarded mechanics who’ve made plenty of mistakes

>>28507427
No there's no excuse for $200. Whoever charges that much should be killed, and their shop burned down

>>28507500
>>28505638
>8 years ago
>driving Cadillac CTS 2006 with 3.6 v6
>go into jiffy lube for oil change
>they quote like either 80 or 100 bucks
>I'm shocked
>i ask why
>they say it's a luxury car
>k ill do it myself
They just prey on women

>>28504909 (OP)
I did my own oil back when I was broke but now it's not worth it to me so I pay the ~$20 premium to have a shop do it.
yes, it is that much of a hassle, especially if you do it the right way
>go to auto parts store to get oil and filter
>go back home
>jack up car
>set up tarp and bucket and paper towels so I don't get oil all over my drive way
>do oil change
>go all the way back to the auto parts store to have the oil recycled
vs
>go to shop and dick around on my phone for 15 minutes then drive home

sure they'd be closer if I just let the oil spill all over my driveway and down the gutter, but I'm white.

>>28507527
>making multiple separate trips to buy oil and drop it off
>makes a mess even with a bucket
nigga I get like two droplets on the ground if I'm sloppy. plus, you don't make dedicated trips to buy/drop off shit. buy the filters and drain plugs in bulk and get enough oil for two changes any time you're at a shop. keep the old oil in old, marked containers and just drop it off the next time you suspect you'll pass by. not everything needs to be a hassle of your own making

>>28504909 (OP)
It's a hassle for sure if you don't have your own garage or tools
I live in an apartment in a medium sized city and I have to drive 30min out to my parents to use my dad's garage and tools. After I get there, it's easy and I do it because I like working on my own car and want to ensure it's done right, but I can understand why normies wouldn't want to bother

>>28504909 (OP)
Normies don't post to /pol/. It's a containment board for raging assholes, you should retvrn plz

>>28507527
I like doing my own oil because i don't trust the mechanic

One nice thing about SUVs killing good cars is that you don't need to lift them to change the oil. ezpz on my mom's tiguan.

>>28504909 (OP)
it depends of the car. Modern BMW, Audi/VW, Mercedes Benz, Ford, Volvo, GM are some of the most annoying cars to maintain. Toyota, Mazda, Honda have been easiest to maintain for decades.

>>28507945
Ford is easy as long as you don't have to do the water pump

Depends on the car and on what you would otherwise do with your time

>>28507986
And how much you trust your mechanic

>i have a local mech i trust
Ok but what if you're on the other side of the country

paying for an oil change is paying to have someone else properly dispose of the oil

>>28508643
It's free at any auto parts store? I just bring in a jug of dirty oil whenever I go to buy new oil.

>>28504909 (OP)
Based

>>28504909 (OP)
HARD TRVTH NVKE
as much as ull hate hearing this, hes very right

>>28507527
>>go to shop and dick around on my phone for 15 minutes then drive home

Yeah more like wait in line for 30 minutes if you're somewhere like a jiffy lube, or wait up to an hour for a mechanic to actually get started if you bring it to a real shop.

I'd rather do it myself in about the same time for cheaper.

Also the home routine is more like:
>pick up oil and filter days in advance when I'm already out
>jack up car
>slap a cardboard scrap underneath
>drain into pan and remove filter
>replace filter and plug after a few minutes
>lower car
>fill oil
>check
>throw away cardboard
Done.

Story time, this was probably about 10 years ago.

>Buddy has an early 2010s Mazda 3 hatchback
>owned it since new
>once it's out of warranty he starts going to a local mom and pop mechanic in the neighborhood for his oil changes
>Does this for years
>One day I go to visit him and he's in a rental car. I ask what gives
>He tells me that his engine grenaded itself
>lmao what? it wasn't even that old
>He tells me that he took it to mazda to see what happened, turns out the oil filter hadn't been replaced in like ~40,000 miles
>oil filter clogged up and it ruined the engine
>The oil filter on his car was above a panel that needed to be removed in ordered to access it. Turns out that friendly mom and pop shop he'd been going to for oil changes didn't want to bother with removing this panel to get to the filter so they had just been draining and replacing the oil and leaving the old filter in there but still charging my buddy for new oil plus new filter.

But yes wrenchlets, continue to go to quick lube places to get your oil changed. After all it's so convenient and cheap!

>>28504943

>>28504960
Can't you take the oil and filter you want to the shop and have them change it with your own materials?

>>28509726
As well as any additives?

>cartards
>not normies
carfaggotry is one of the most normalfaggot things
especially if you like loud cars and wrenching

>>28509726
>>28509727
All that adds up to more time than just doing it myself.

what the fuck do I do with the old oil tho?

>>28509847
Take it camping to use as a fire starter. Or pour it around the perimeter of your campsite to help repel bugs.

>>28509847
Leave it in front of AutoZone after they tell you the tank's full

>>28509843
Yes, but I don't like doing work.

>>28509726
they will still charge you the same regardless, but you could

>>28509892
Then take it to a quick lube. Yes they will fuck up your car, but it sounds like you can afford it.

>>28504909 (OP)
My 03 Ranger goes to a local quick lube chain. It's cheap ($30), they use decent oil (Sunoco Ultra Synthetic Blend), and I get to watch them do the work. My interval is 3-4k and I check my levels regularly, so individual fuckups will buff out and it doesn't have a particularly valuable engine anyways.

I do my own for the 7.3L Powerstroke. Almost 16 quarts of 15W-40. At that size, the cost savings become significant. I also don't put a ton of miles on it, so it's less of a pain.

>>28504942
>How am I supposed to do that when I have street parking and no driveway?
Get a ramp and give the used oil at an auto parts store like Autozone or whatever. They even accepted my used oil even though I bought the oil online.
>>28506102
>Changing oil by yourself is not so fast and streamlined without a proper lift and a catcher, it can result in a lot of dirt
A ramp, gloves and pan is all you need.

>>28509648
That's absolutely horrifying. I've always done my own anywhere from 3-5000 miles. This time around I even sent a sample in to one of those used oil analysis companies. Hope to get the results back next week.

>>28509648
Sounds like a him problem, I go to the dealer and my oil changes are mint.

>>28510169
>A ramp, gloves and pan is all you need.
You forgot a mat or a creeper to get under the car, a pan bigger than you'd normally use for transmission/diff oil changes, and a torque wrench/adapter. Possibly oil filter tools as well. Then you have to spend about ten minutes or even more filling a set of bottles with used oil from the said big pan without spilling, then spend even more time removing the spills and cleaning the bottles because you have to bring them somewhere in your trunk. It's just tedious. I'd rather watch my mechanic use the said torque wrench while chatting with him and standing under the car next to a big fucking funnel with an even bigger barrel underneath.

>>28504909 (OP)
Lube monkeys are rarely skilled mechanics. I am a skilled mechanic and became one so others shall not defile my hardware and piss me off.

I use light-colored clean plastic drain pans so I can more easily observe cuntanimation before disposal.

>>28510231
I fill used coolant jugs or large oil jugs using funnels. That leaves me jugs of chainsaw bar oil or weed killer that actually works.

>>28510252
How do you store funnels, hoses and pans contaminated by oil? I'm tired of cleaning them or packing them in plastic bags.

>>28510015
>>28509985
Wrenchers are so autistic
>noooo you can't possibly be willing to pay more for convenience, you HAVE to do it yourself or otherwise... or otherwise it just doesn't count, okay?!

>>28510322
if you wanted to suck my dick anon you could have just said so, no need to play these coquettish games

>>28504909 (OP)
I like to use my own specific brand and type of filter, and specific type and brand of oil. There may or may not be an additive involved like MOS2 or Ceratec, or ZDDP as well depending on the car. I definitely don't trust any grease monkey to autistically calculate how much oil to add so that you're accurate down to the exact milliliter like I am, either.
Oh, and depending on car, say, my old mechanically injected diesel, it tends to run with less blowby when filled towards the higher mark of the dipstick. I'm not trusting some grease monkey to have any idea about that either, or why I'd specifically want it done that way.
So I do it myself.

>>28510231
>You forgot a mat or a creeper to get under the car
Don’t need them or at least I didn’t. Not like I lay there for the whole or majority of the time
>Transmission/diff fluid
Long enough intervals that I can justify giving them to a shop. Most people here talk about engine oil since it’s more frequent
>Torque wrench and adapters
I assumed people had tools or at least buy tools eventually. You can get a torque wrench set for $9 at Harbor Freight. It’s good enough for oil changes. Maybe throw $7-8 for the oil filter wrench and funnel. Can even think of these as an investment to get tools for other maintenace stuff like spark plugs
>Spills and putting oil in bottles
I just use the funnel which makes it way easy and less than 10 minutes. I don’t spill a lot if much.
>cleaning bottles and transport
I try not to overfill those bottles for them to leak out or get dirty. I use wipes to clean them and have the tops sealed with a wrap to cover and a plastic bag. I don’t even haul them in the trunk cause it’ll just move around. I put it in the front on the floor and bring up the seat to somewhat hold it in place. Gets the job done to Autozone
It’s fine if you want to use it as an excuse to talk with your mechanic, but it’s not that much of hassle outside of the initial cost and first time doing them. Honestly, the most tedious part for me is just waiting for the oil to all drain out but I can just be on my phone while waiting. After typing all this out

>>28509847
Put it back in the ground.

>>28510647
I'd be more okay with it being burned for heat energy

>>28510453
>Not like I lay there for the whole or majority of the time
You have to lay there at least once. I also forgot that lots of cars have skid plates or braces you have to remove beforehand to get access to the plug and sometimes the filter too. At least all of mine do.
>Don’t need them or at least I didn’t.
Then you need to change to "really dirty" clothes and take a shower, add that to the time and inconvenience score.
>Long enough intervals that I can justify giving them to a shop.
Long enough intervals make these jobs less inconvenient. These jobs are also unusual enough for most shops to have higher chances of fucking something up. Most shops don't store the exact fluid and will use a generic one or even completely inappropriate one, they might not know how to set the level correctly, how to install the gasket, or they could overtighten the plugs because they don't know the correct torque. It's easier to order the fluids/gaskets/etc and replace them yourself than to explain in details what to do and watch over the mechanic.
>Most people here talk about engine oil since it’s more frequent
Yes, these jobs are more frequent, more common and usually simple enough to delegate.
>I assumed people had tools or at least buy tools eventually.
With such assumptions you could've said "you don't need anything".
>I don’t spill a lot if much.
Leaving even a tiny bit of oil spilled is unacceptable for most people, since they don't have a designated spot for chemical spills at home and in their car (trucks at least have a bed). And you have to store the dirty and smelly funnel somewhere afterwards, or to clean it.
> I use wipes to clean them and have the tops sealed with a wrap to cover and a plastic bag.
Takes time and makes you more tired.
Look, all I'm saying is that it's a bit of a hypocrisy to not call it a hassle. Even using your phone while waiting for the oil to drain requires changing the gloves or washing your hands or cleaning the phone afterwards.

>>28510838
>skid plates or braces you have to remove beforehand to get access to
Sounds like shitty car design to me. Even a Honda Pilot from 2012 you can even reach the filter without a lift or ramp, atleast I could. My 2019 car has a flap to easily access the oil filter and plug
>Then you need to change to "really dirty" clothes and take a shower, add that to the time and inconvenience score
That’s why you do it in the morning and then you shower anyways like a normal person who showers regularly (or closer to night if you shower later) Takes less than a minute to change clothes if you’re organized
>Most shops don't store the exact fluid and will use a generic one or even completely inappropriate one, they might not know how to set the level correctly, how to install the gasket
Depends on where you go. Good research and calling before hand helps out distinguish which place is appropiate. I’ll probably do them myself one day when I have a bigger garage
>With such assumptions you could've said "you don't need anything".
Look, I get that not everyone who has a car, has ramps or jack stands. I feel like a torque wrench and other misc tools is pretty essential if you wanna start working on cars. Feels like people even here think you need way more tools for an oil change job than you really do
>Leaving even a tiny bit of oil spilled is unacceptable for most people
I guess a tarp wouldn’t hurt. I just do it on the street. Though considering how incompetent people are, I guess you’re right about that
>Look, all I'm saying is that it's a bit of a hypocrisy to not call it a hassle.
Mountains out of mole hills to me. Maybe my tolerance is high for this kind of stuff and I’m just an office worker who sits on a computer all day. A couple seconds to wipe/clean hands isn’t inconnvient as you make it to be. I can’t imagine how you’d get so dirty with gloves unless you soak your hands in the oil pan or have shitty thin gloves.

>>28504942
Yes, that's how it's been done for 100 years, you fucking pussy.
Post a pic of your car.

>>28505038
Long range thinking, I like it.

>>28510940
>Sounds like shitty car design to me.
I have yet to find a car perfect from every angle.
>That’s why you do it in the morning
So it's so inconvenient you even have to tie it to a specific time of the day and hygienic procedures.
>Good research and calling before hand
I can order this stuff delivered to my door faster, with exactly zero calls and with less hassle compared to calling, asking, asking for the alternatives (usually there are several types of acceptable fluid). Usually cheaper too. With engine oil it's a bit different: good ones are easier to find at the shops, and the price from the barrel is comparable to what you can find buying canisters online.
>Feels like people even here think you need way more tools for an oil change job than you really do
My point is you are forgetting or omitting a lot of details that take time or other resources while not providing enough gratification for a lot of people.
>A couple seconds to wipe/clean hands isn’t inconnvient as you make it to be.
Gets tedious if you have to do that multiple times, time adds, and you end up spending half of your morning changing oil and cleaning up instead of half an hour at the mechanic. It's not even wrenching, it's boring and dirty maintenance.

>>28511003
>I have yet to find a perfect car
Well there are tons of cars that don’t have shitty access to oil drain plugs and filter. I named two already
>inconvenient you even have to tie it to a specific time of the day and hygienic procedures.
How is it? This sounds so autistic. Let me guess, taking a shower is tedious to you?
>less hassle compared to calling, asking, asking for the alternatives
For something that takes a few minutes to call and every few years, it’s not a hassle unless you’re socially awkward. Valvolines usually got stuff most people need so most people can get their transmission fluids and other stuff. They usually do a great job but I guess that’s location dependent
>My point is you are forgetting or omitting a lot of details that take time or other resources while not providing enough gratification for a lot of people.
You’re also adding unnecessary crap like a creeper. It’s common sense that oil spills are going to be messy, so you should plan ahead and not act stupid. I didn’t need that crap when I first started.
>Gets tedious if you have to do that multiple times, time adds, and you end up spending half of your morning changing oil.
My first time took like an hour at most and it was mostly me fiddling with socket sizes and unboxing crap.
Wiping my hand with a wipe took me a few seonds and I only had to do it twice. I have no reason to keep getting my hands “dirty” after I take off the plug and filter and putting them back on. Even then, they were completely dry because my gloves absorbed any oil.
>It's not even wrenching, it's boring and dirty maintenance.
It’s fine if you do not want to change your own oil, but for many people, it’s their first step to working on a car. People usually don’t start it from adding stiffer swaybars or installing intercoolers. Even then you run into the similar issues like buying bunch of crap on the in the beginning

>>28509726
Yes you can. I've done this before when I had a Honda.
I would buy nice oil. Royal Purple, and a K&N filter and take it to the nicer Acura dealer in town and pay only $18 for labor.
I say for 30 minutes on their nice leather couches and enjoyed okay coffee from the Keurig while chatting up single milfs in the lobby.
Sometimes I would stroll the dealership and sit in other Acuras

>>28511357
>I would buy nice oil. Royal Purple, and a K&N filter and take it to the nicer Acura dealer in town and pay only $18 for labor.
Based, I do the same thing at the Honda dealer and sit in their wrenchlet lounge, maybe look around in their automotive candy store as well.

>>28511357
Honestly, based Acura dealership. I’ve had places throw fits for not using OEM products and charging like crazy for it

>>28511374
Some indie mechanics are probably weenies about parts because some of the customers are also weenies about shit not working and expect some sort of guarantee because they put hands on the car despite using provided parts, but often times dealers are chill like that, I come into Honda with oil, suspension parts, they don't even care, but they make it clear this has no warranty so don't cry about a re-do.

>>28511379
I had a shop that didn't want to work on suspension components I provided.
I started doing the work myself but came at an impass when I broke a rusted studd and couldn't get the other side out. I said fuck it, and took the car there to see if they could do it for me.
They ended up getting all the broken suspension mounting studs out, replaced them with bolts, and installed the new suspension components while they were at it.

>>28511395
Based dealerships, I think they get a bad rep, but really they have to offer competitive pricing to get you in their door, now some dealerships are charging obscene amounts of money in the service dept because they're not in the business of maintaining cars and basically want you to fuck off with your old ass car, but some of them make it a point to compete with local shops in the area, maybe charging $159 for a fluid service that my local indie would charge $209 for, and suddenly it makes sense to get your fluids changed at the dealership of all things, I think dealerships that want your business because they're actually making money maintaining people's cars are worth it.

>>28511296
>Well there are tons of cars that don’t have shitty access to oil drain plugs and filter.
Yeah, but they have shitty something else. Are you deliberately ignoring the point?
>How is it?
Planning your entire day around the oil change to take a shower only once that day instead of twice.
>taking a shower is tedious to you?
It takes additional time, and that's my point you're trying to ignore. And yes, it gets tedious if done multiple times during one day.
>every few years
Wrong, especially if you go offroad (in water/mud) or have more than one vehicle.
>it’s not a hassle unless you’re socially awkward
I'm getting tired of spelling alphanumericals over the phone or trying to explain to some boomer I need a specific thing instead of a shitty substitution he is suggesting.
>Valvolines usually got stuff most people need
Never been there, but probably also wrong. Some OEM fluids or additives are hard to get.
>You’re also adding unnecessary crap like a creeper.
It's just another thing that can make your trips to and from under the car more comfortable and keep you cleaner. And we're talking a lot about these two aspects, because they are the most common reasons for people not wanting to change their engine oil themselves.
>It’s common sense that oil spills are going to be messy, so you should plan ahead and not act stupid.
What in "a lot of people don't like draining and pouring large amounts of dirty liquids in their free time" do you not understand?
>Wiping my hand with a wipe took me a few seonds and I only had to do it twice.
That usually doesn't make the hand clean enough to not leave stains.
>my gloves absorbed any oil.
So the gloves are dirty too, probably even on the inside. I use nitrile gloves for oil-related jobs, they don't absorb anything.
>but for many people, it’s their first step to working on a car
Never heard of these people. I know people who started wrenching by doing brake jobs, or replacing easily-replaceable faulty parts.

>>28507378
>you can save a decent amount of money annually by doing your own tire rotation/winter tire swap and oil changes
Money that's easily offset by just going to work. Obviously this varies depending on what job an individual has, but for most people the time wasted doing an oil change would be better spent working. All in all, it takes me roughly an hour or so to complete an oil change - that's warming the car up, getting all my tools out, getting the car in the air, draining fluid, changing the filter, filling with oil, getting the car back down, cleaning and putting all my tools away, then driving to the nearest river to dump all my oil in and coming back home - If you're getting paid near the US average of 30 bucks an hour, then the time you spent doing that oil change actually cost you whatever the oil and filter was PLUS 30 bucks of your time, bringing it back to that 10 or 20 bucks difference I referenced. Again, I'd rather do the work myself in my own time and not risk those fuckers using cheap filters and oil, overtightening said filter, or stripping my sump plug threads, but that's just not a concern for normies. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze for them.

TLDR; your time isn't free unless you actually enjoy working on your car.

>>28511411
>Yeah, but they have shitty something else. Are you deliberately ignoring the point?
The existance of other faults does not excuse the fault of bad oil plug and filter placement
>Planning your entire day for an oil change
It takes less than an hour and showering is easy enough. I do it daily so it’s not hinderance or additional time to me.
Maybe if you shower less than that, I guess it’s additinal time.
>Wrong if you go off roading or more than one vehicle
Good thing that most people don’t go off roading. If you have more than one vehicle, you’d ideally split the mileage on the intervals to change fluids.
>Never been to valvoline but assumes it’s wrong
They usually look up the oem requirements infront of you but you can also supply your own fluids to them. I trust mine but I guess it’s up in the air for others.
>explain to some boomer I need a specific thing instead of a shitty substitution he is suggesting.
Just supply your own stuff with a shop that takes it like Valvoline or even Mavis. Stealerships too if you got a good deal.
>What in "a lot of people don't like draining and pouring large amounts of dirty liquids in their free time" do you not understand?
My point was that if you’re at the stage of trying to do your own oil change, you’d have the common sense to think about oil disposal or possible spills. Most people don’t even reach there because getting the car raised is the first road block besides tools.
>That usually doesn't make the hand clean enough to not leave stains.
My hand was clean so idk. Didn’t even have oil on my phone
>So the gloves are dirty too, probably even on the inside.
Nope, just the outside because they’re thickly padded enough.
>Never heard of these people
People I meet at autocross always ask if the new people do their own oil changes and how it’s a good learning opportunity. Though, I did other stuff like spare tires and bumpers before oil changing.
Looks like our experiences are just too different

oil changes are
>extremely easy and fast to do yourself
>have expensive consequences if a highschool dropout fucks it up

the choice is clear and you should only have someone else (the dealership) do it if you intend to sell it at some point

Just changed my oil myself for the first time. Drain plug was stuck on there but otherwise it wasn't a big deal.
Took some extra time doing it, but next time should be a lot quicker.

>>28509847
You can use it as ghetto metal protection if you have literally nothing else (need to brush it up like every season obv)

>>28504909 (OP)
I started changing my own oil when I realized jiffy lube wasn't even changing the oil filter. Then I realized changing my oil was so fucking simple and much cheaper.

>>28506144
I did lots of mobile work/didn't have lifts at previous shops so I got used to working on the ground. It sucks but I have to work with what I have.

>>28510261
I've seen funnels kept in old wastebaskets or tool bags.

>>28504909 (OP)
how can i trust anyone?
they'll just lie to me & say they did it,
or not do the filter. how would i know?

>>28512411
label it before you enter and sue them when they don't?

>>28512414
>and sue them
>so the lawyer takes over 50% of your damages
>and you have to foot the rest of the cost
why are Americans obsessed with small claims court and suing each other?

>>28512561
>why are Americans obsessed with small claims court and suing each other?
With our buying power shot, how else are we to secure the bag?

>>28504909 (OP)
how can you expect someone on /pol/ to change their own oil? they're far too busy saving the white race from the jewish threat. these are important people.

>>28512572
Based /pol/ doing god's work, we are mere rats cruising around in our little cars

>>28504909 (OP)
the issue with changing your own oil is what to do with old oil.

>>28512600
That's why the wrenchlet method is so based, we just don't fuck around with containers and draining old oil, we just pay a very low amount, damn near less than the labor is worth because the oil change market competition is so crazy, it's like a loss leader.

>>28511472
>People I meet at autocross always ask if the new people do their own oil changes and how it’s a good learning opportunity.
kek

>>28509545
Its very unlikely your time isn't worthless.

>>28512600
Literally just dump it in the bushes.

>>28512667
>Mexican detected

>>28504909 (OP)
it's less that it's a hassle and more that there's some things you wouldn't want to do even if you're paid for them.

I don't begrudge that guy in the post thinking that oil changes are beneath him because I'm the same way, except about yard work. I do not want to cut a single blade of grass in my life. Ever. I let my yard die mid summer into a yellowed out mess just so I don't have to deal with it at all. And I'm sure some of you will reply telling me it's easy, just do it late in the afternoon to avoid the sun, some of you may even own one of those grass mower go kart things and ride around thinking it's fun. I do not want to deal with it. I would've bought a townhouse in the city just so I wouldn't have to deal with grass, but if I do I would have to deal with people, so the lesser of two evils.

I pay for half an hour of labor to have someone else do it. I used to do.it myself, but now have a great shop that I trust my car with and it's $100/yr well spent for convenience.

>>28511472
>The existance of other faults does not excuse the fault of bad oil plug and filter placement
Sure, I'll go buy a fucking Honda just because some guy on the internet told me there are several less bolts to undo to change oil. Do you know what a skid plate is, by the way? From a quick search it looks like you still have to remove it to change engine oil in the Pilot.
>it’s not hinderance or additional time to me.
Are you retarded? It is additional time if you do it an additional time. And in order to not do it twice you're suggesting rescheduling your entire day, losing your morning time, postponing taking shower etc.
>They usually look up the oem requirements infront of you but you can also supply your own fluids to them.
So why would I need them? I already found and bought the fluids. What can they possibly do, botch a not-so-common job for my own money?
>you’d have the common sense to think about oil disposal or possible spills.
Yes, and personally I find that inconvenient enough to delegate the job to someone else. Many other people probably think the same.
>Most people don’t even reach there because getting the car raised is the first road block besides tools.
I finally see the point you're trying to make, but I don't get it. Most vehicles come with a basic jack, and you can use common things like cinder or wooden blocks or bricks to secure the vehicle. Most people start from that, then buy a better jack, stands and other tools.
>Didn’t even have oil on my phone
Modern smartphones have oleophobic coating on the screen, but it's usually the gaps around it that accumulate dirt. And I meant mostly stains on fabrics and interiors, they are harder to clean than the phone.
>existance
>hinderance
Are you a jeet? It would explain a lot, actually.

>>28504909 (OP)
I can build mining equipment but I don;t have enough confidence to change my own oil without being terrified I messed something up

How are you guys so cheap? I'm paying $2,000 every week for another part that stopped working or broke in my VW Reliablemobile and here you are somehow getting your car on a hoist and doing all these messy shit to save $50.

>paying $200 CAD for some retarded zoomer jeet to give you chinese gutter oil and a FRAM filter
nobody on /o/ can wrench

>>28514626
I bought a Mazda, the oil/filter/washer from the dealer is 55 canuckbux and it takes literally 20 minutes

>>28514194
>Sure, I'll go buy a fucking Honda just because some guy on the internet told me there are several less bolts to undo to change oil.
I was making the point that not all cars require to you remove a bunch of shit to do a simple oil change. You can criticize a cars faults in one area while still being a good car overall. I’m SO sorry for calling it a shit design to make a car’s oil plug and filter a nightmare to get to. And when I mean design, I just mean that aspect.
>And in order to not do it twice you're suggesting rescheduling your entire day, losing your morning time, postponing taking shower etc
I take a shower around the same time if I’m doing an oil change or not. I’m not adding more. If you are adding or rescheduling so much, then I guess it applies to you, not me. If you want to argue losing time, you still got to drive to and from the mechanic anyways, I don’t have to drive anywhere immediately.
>What can they possibly do, botch a not-so-common job for my own money?
A person in this thread >>28509648 mentioned how a simple oil change got botched so same criticism is applicable with oil changes. Sure it’s anecdotal, but it still happens and not an impossibility. I guess you can argue that it’s worse for diff and trans fluids tho
>Most people start from that, then buy a better jack, stands and other tools.
Fair point for enthusiats, normies are more afraid of that stuff. I had to help a friend lift her car despite her having a jack. I assume telling people that you can do oil changes with ramp instead of a floor jack would make them a little more incline to work under their car.
>And I meant mostly stains on fabrics and interiors, they are harder to clean than the phone.
Personally, I stay pretty clean with my hands and clothes from oil. Others might not be so lucky. Diligence is important
>Are you a jeet? It would explain a lot, actually.
Sorry, born from a Hong Kong man and Viet lady in the Heart of the South.

>>28514874
>Heart of the South
That’s Georgia for my European mates ;) Some will argue it refers to other southern US states or as a group but I wanted to clarify

>>28514882
>Heart of the South
>Georgia
Close, but no.

>>28514874
>I was making the point that not all cars require to you remove a bunch of shit to do a simple oil change.
Why? Did I say that all cars do?
>I take a shower around the same time if I’m doing an oil change or not.
So your oil change is bound to a specific time of the day and your routine, which is convenient only for you (and I'm not even sure about that). And we're talking about people in general.
>Sure it’s anecdotal, but it still happens and not an impossibility
Yes, it does, so it's better to check even after the mechanic you trust. Mine (those I usually trust) even suggest checking after the work is done because everyone makes mistakes.
>I guess you can argue that it’s worse for diff and trans fluids tho
Kind of, if you don't have a spare gasket or another portion of fluid, you'll have to wait til you obtain them.
>normies are more afraid of that stuff.
Who are these normies you're talking about?
>telling people that you can do oil changes with ramp instead of a floor jack would make them a little more incline to work under their car.
Not for everyone. Ramps require more space, it's assumed the car can move on its own up and down the ramps (which isn't always the case even with basic maintenance if it's required to make the car level), good ramps are harder to come by than aftermarket jacks and stands.

>>28514905
>Why? Did I say that all cars do?
There was an insinuation when you said most cars needed braces and skid plates removed to access the oil plug and filter. It was going off personal experience because you said most of your cars do but I share the opposite. I just think it’s bad design that’s all, but your cars are probably great otherwise
>And we're talking about people in general.
Assuming that most people have a day or two off. It’s not unfeasible to take time to do an oil change in the morning or whenever on that day. Yes, you are technically scheduling time aside for it but you’d put time off to drive to and from a shop anyways. Is it less time aside to do it at a shop? Probably. Though, you’re still gonna wait while it drains instead of doing whatever. Hell, I’d argue if you have a garage in a house, you could just drain, close the garage, and go inside and do other things assuming you didn’t bathe in oil and got really dirty. If a person doesn’t have access to work in garage or street, then a shop is the only way.
>Who are these normies you're talking about?
All my female friends who had car troubles, tech friends and art friends in uni. Mostly women but a few nerdy guys.
>good ramps are harder to come by than aftermarket jacks and stands.
I never thought they were the end all be all for work. It’s more convient for oil changes than anything. Assuming they don’t have a low car or a full size SUV or Truck, it should be fine enough, but I get that quality ramps are not as common as a decent jack.
It’s ok to have your oil changed at a shop if you don’t want to deal with any process of it, I just don’t think it’s some arduous task that’s unviable for most people. I mostly advocate for enthusiasts but I think even regular people could do it if they were taught well and given the right tools (which I think isn’t a whole lot for the bare minimum). I know that’s a big IF too

>>28505087
This, It takes longer for the lube monkeys to finish their upsell speech than it takes for me to change the oil on my truck. (It's just high enough for me to shimmy under and do it without a jack

>>28507945
On modern Audi you don't even need to lift the car. You get an oil extractor and have a beer while it sucks it all out. Shits great

I bill myself out at $160/hr and my local specialist shop bills out at $120/hr. It's literally cheaper to pay them to do it than doing it myself.

fuckin poorfags

>>28515080
An oil extractor works on any car though.

>>28515088
Are you including the time it takes you to drop off, pick up, take back to fix fuckups, or self-fix fuckups?

>>28515091
No, most cars run the dipstick through places you can't get the oil extractor into or put it into a place where you can't get all the oil. Good rule of thumb, any car with the oil filter up top can be extracted

>>28515096
My shop is closer than where I'd need to take the used oil if I did it myself, so that cancels it out. It's a specialist shop for my car's make, they don't fuck up oil changes lmao

>>28515091
More and more new cars are being manufactured without dipsticks to check the oil level

>>28515214
>he can't measure liquids

>>28504925
can confirm getting the oil filter out was a bitch. I'm glad that piece of shit is gone

>>28504909 (OP)
Closest oil janny is a 20min drive.
I'm out of hour of my time if I take it in.
I pump the oil out the dipstick tube, only thing is filter is a pain in the ass to remove.

>>28505087
My mechanic does it in 15 mins and charges $45

>>28505148
Cool it with the antisemitism