Thread 28506483

Need /o/ advice. Looking for a 3rd row SUV.

My budget is high (no read sticky $3k civic meme), but looking for the value pick. I drive vehicles until they totally fall apart so no lease options, so loooking for quality + features sweet spot.

Family of 5, so the third row is helpful. I like doing my own maintenance, and am pretty handy so German SUV's are no go. Came from a 250k mile CX-9 which was amazing, but heard the new CX90's are trash quality.

Narrowed down to:

23-25 Acura MDX
23-25 Volvo XC90
23-25 Toyota Grand Highlander
23-35 Genesis GV80

Thanks

>>28506483 (OP)
Why don't you buy a REAL truck?

>>28506483 (OP)
>23-25 Acura MDX
>23-25 Volvo XC90
>23-25 Toyota Grand Highlander

that's better

Several reasons:

>trucks are overprices as shit
>Im married no need to impress latino high school girls anymore
>No need to tow anything.
>If I need something from Home Depot occassionally I pay the whopping $39 to have it delivered inside my garage and never have to leave my house
>I am white, have a big dick, have a hot wife and children who doesn't need to show off money
>Prefer leaving cargo inside the vehicle than in a box
>I don't live in the south

>>28506488
So any of these are good? Genesis sucks I take it?

>>28506491
there are no good korean vehicles

also consider lexus LX

>>28506483 (OP)
Ioniq 9

Genesis - but do you want/need luxury? Maybe comparison test is with a Kia Sorento (turbo top trim) and see how that fares.

>>28506496
korean is WAY better than japshit
lexus lx is absurdly overpriced and not spacious at all

We just welcomed our fourth child and we went with a gently used Chevy traverse that we’ve been very happy with
Cargo space is perfectly adequate for trips and grocery runs for a large family (and I keep my under cargo space loaded with spare clothes, baby wipes, towels, boo-boo supplies etc, along with tools, ratchet straps, jumper cables and more it is very spacious if you don’t use it this way)
About 30mph on the highway, up to 34 average if I’m going 67mph in cruise control, low twenties out and about… good vehicle.

>>28506504
traverse is cheap as fuck
you want a kia carnival (xl)
or kia sorento (l)
depending on how much room you need and how much you would use a 3rd row
traverse is cheap garbage - especially the last generation (they just switched to a new platform)

>>28506507
Oh no… you’re retarded

>>28506484
>https://youtu.be/MI7Tq6sRxE4

>>28506503
>>28506507

>>28506510
>not even attempting to critically engage me
read the reviews of the new lexus trugg platform - all of them are negative
I mean hey, try it yourself OP, but don't expect much.
Koreans do it better you get a much nicer interior, tech, value, and features!

>>28506503
>korean is WAY better than japshit
Say that to my 35 year old land cruiser with 400k miles on the original engine.
I bought a Genesis for my wife and had nothing but issues with it. Resale value is shit as well.

>>28506483 (OP)
>23-25 Acura MDX
>23-25 Volvo XC90
>23-25 Toyota Grand Highlander
>23-35 Genesis GV80

V8 Durango

>>28506527
I never said anything about Lexus
Kia makes fine vehicles but they both have less cargo space than the traverse, which I consider the only sufficiently sized cargo area for a family in this class of vehicle.

>>28506805
If you want cargo space you want the Kia Carnival then - just make sure to get the v6 - and the SX prestige but without the rear thrones unless you specifically want that and are never planning to remove the rear seats anyways

>>28506814
The carnival (in America at least) has less cargo room than the traverse. It also has worse provisions for car seats. Do you even have children?

>>28506483 (OP)
I have family that had spectacular experience with the pilot, but this was years ago.
I can't imagine that they screwed it up too badly, Honda has a decent head on its shoulders

>>28506829
>It also has worse provisions for car seats.
how?
it's a darn minivan
u really think kia would fuck that up
>The carnival (in America at least) has less cargo room than the traverse.
um no just looked it up, the opposite, kia has 140 with seats folded down, traverse has about 100

minivans are ALWAYS more practical for families than SUVs
traverse has a way cheaper less feature-filled interior - but hey try em yourself see if you agree with me
+ kia offers a v6 traverse no longer does in the new gen

>>28506850
>with seats folded
where do the car seats go when the seats are folded, retard.
The relevant figure is with seats up

>>28506855
how many car seats do you need?
just buy a literal van my dude if you have 4+ kids who are all smol enough to need car seats

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, I just bought a traverse a few months ago, I tested the Kia, I saw it with my own eyes, it’s not as nice, it’s less spacious, it has less cargo space with the seats up.
If you are buying a car for a FAMILY it doesn’t matter how much interior room there is folded, you have PEOPLE IN THE SEATS.
Many of us due to inane nanny state laws have four or more car seats. The seats are not coming down.
Post your three row vehicle with three or more car seats in it, it sounds like you’re talking out of your ass.

>>28506864
the kia has a much nicer interior + more features + better engine
if you need 4 car seats you want an actual passenger van like amish-lite and orthodox jews drive around

>>28506862
I have four children under six, I need four car seats. In my state kids need booster seats till they’re eight. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Go to sleep Mr. Kim, have some makgeolli to calm your nerves, maybe a nice late night soondubu and some sundae.

>>28506503
t. Choi

>>28506869
like buy an actual van my dude like a ford transit

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transit-cargo-van/models/transit-xlt-passenger-van/

>>28506873
If you don’t have three or more kids you should just put them all in a sedan
We’re talking about family vehicles for families
If you want to buy a mini van and fold the seats down for more cargo room it’s no longer fulfilling the family vehicle role.
Retard
I know in your country the average number of children is somehow negative, but some of us still know how our cocks work.
I’ll buy a passenger in 2030 when I presumably have my sixth child. But OP has three kids. That’s the context.
Retafd

>>28506881
Plenty of large families buy actual passenger vans. The Traverse is a shitbox.

>>28506883
If this were a thread about vans I wound recommend the Chevy express which has been the same for ages or a last gen e series, both of which my family business has taken to 350k with excellent reliability in cargo form, all city traffic in the five boroughs.

>>28506898
ford transit is a much newer/nicer design

>>28506915
It’s not sufficiently reliable, we’re going fully express in the future as our remaining e series are decommissioned

>>28506925
it's plenty reliable and you get a 360 camera, intelligent cruise control, something called intersection exist, and a more modern turbo six cylinder engine vs shitty pushrod v8

if you have a giant fucking family who cannot all fit into a minivan + their stuff - a ford transit passenger van is literally the best choice

>>28506930
I have hands on experience using both extensively, you’re reading spreadsheets, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about

>>28506934
the ford transit is a newer platform, newer interior, newer engine, more features
I am trying to help people get the best car - you are shilling for shitboxes

>>28506490
you could do so much better

>>28506483 (OP)
>handy
If you're handy you don't buy a car made after ~2014 unless it's a kit car.
So... GMT400 suburban 2wd. Prices have dropped a smidge recently thanks to deports and they won't ever drop again. Family member just picked a 40k mile 4wd/454cid one up for 25k, the 2wd ones are ~8k cheaper too. And, being the old sbc/bbc engine platforms, you could theoretically drop in carb+points and tape over the resulting internal christmas tree if worst comes to worst.

>>28507009
25k for a gmt400 what is the world coming to

>>28506483 (OP)
>3 kids
You want a Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade ESV. Trust me.

>>28506938
>it’s newer therefore it’s better

>>28506515
kek....saved

>>28506783
Propose alternatives bro. Trucks and minivans are not a possibility.

>>28506837
Thanks. I should have put Honda here. I had a civic as first car and it was most reliable car I ever owned.

>>28506850
I agree with the minivan. However, my wife will be driving it most of the time, and has ego problems with minivans. She's actually an incredibly selfless woman, and is the best mom / wife I could ever ask for so I have to respect her opinion here.

>>28506956
Look, I love vans. So do my kids. My wife does not. I'm not going to sidetrack this thread on trying to bully my wife here. She's given me 4 wonderful kids, works from home and makes a lot of money. Her family are farmers so I get free unlimited beef, pork and chicken for the rest of my life. If she doesn't want to drive a van, I have to respect this.

>>28506483 (OP)
Skip the Volvo it's worse than the Mazda
Acura is boring
Genesis is boaty but comfortable, lesser longevity than Toyota
Consider the Grand Cherokee L, rwd and ancient drivetrain with commonly available components if you gel with the interior, and can be optioned to be nicer than anything except the Genesis

>>28507490
*meant to say 3 kids.

>>28507491
THanks. I didn't look at the Grand Cherokee. I had fond memories of the OG Grand Cherokee in the mid nineties as my GF had one and fucked her like a million times in the back seat. Heard their quality went to shit...

>>28507491
Also, AWD would be nice so I don't have to swap winter tires every year. My wife is a good driver, but having my family in Chiacgo winters in a RWD boat is just stress I don't need.

>>28507508
Looks nice. I haven't been in an Escalade for a while. Are they good daily drivers? Heard Cadillacs are a nightmare for reliability, but that was from years ago?

>>28507498
What you're going to run into is that only the vehicles in pic related are going to have good cargo room in the trunk with the 3rd row up. EVERYTHING else has very small trunk room.

>>28507511
They're very reliable. If you look at "older" ones, like 2018, you will find an exceptional amount listed for sale with well over 150,000 miles on them. People drive the shit out of these things. That's a good sign.

Trunk of the Genesis GV80 vs the Escalade ESV. Not only does it also have vastly more trunk space, the 3rd row in the Escalade is fully usable. Much larger and can seat 3 adults. The 3rd row in the GV80 is kind of a joke, the leg room is poor and seats only 2.

>>28508149
>midsize suv
vs. literal long wheelbase truck
that's not really a fair comparison
just buy a darn van if you need a ton of room

>>28508149
I'd add that GM third rows are surprisingly and borderline dangerously quick to raise and lower

>>28508153
>that's not really a fair comparison
It is because that's what the thread is about.
>just buy a darn van
You don't know what you're talking about. Minivans have shit trunk space as well and small 3rd rows. Full size vans are ghetto and are primarily made for work use.

>>28506483 (OP)
>3rd row SUV
Suburban
Most if not all from your list have a shitty 3rd row and no trunk if you use it.

>>28507498
>either AWD or proper tires
Get both. AWD won't help you stop faster.

>>28508168
>Full size vans are ghetto
ford transit passenger van isn't ghetto there's all sorts of tech and features and a modern turbo v6
if you really need that much room you want a van
suburbans are awful
nobody should sell pushrod engines in 2025

>>28508192
>ford transit passenger van isn't ghetto
Are you serious? It's ghetto as fuck. Pic related is Ford Transit vs Escalade.

Flat out, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>28507486
>has ego problems with minivans
>I have to respect her opinion here.

>>28508202
this is not as big a win for the escalade as you think it is given the price differential here

have been looking at third-rowers too (family of 4). Pilot seems like the best value from what I've see, especially when it comes to third-row comfort. the only other one in your list I'd really consider is the XC90 because of the safety aspect

>>28508260
>I'd really consider is the XC90 because of the safety aspect
1980s were 40 years ago and people still think of Volvo as "the safest". How long would it take them to realize it has been a Chinese company for almost two decades?

>>28506483 (OP)
>can you charge at home?
if yes, model X
if no, whichever 'murican fullsize suv you want, but if reliability/maintainablity is a factor, you should try for a NA v8 engine. for long term use you definitely want to avoid forced induction

>inb4 japshit/euroshit
not real 3-rows. you can either have 3 rows or cargo space, not both.
the tesla isn't either, but it makes up for it with the frunk and the underfloor storage in the boot. between those and being able to drop 1 of the 2 rear seats, you can fit a lot of luggage and still carry 5 in comfort
also, all the jap/euro options are forced induction

>inb4 kia EV9/whatever the hyundai is called
actually not bad, but you still can't beat the tesla. supercharger network, fsd, much better miles/kwhr.
also the fw doors are a godsent if you have to deal with child seats or elderly relations. i really can't emphasize this enough. if you have to deal with child seats, GET THE FUCKING MODEL X NO MATTER WHAT. try it, rent one for a week, you'll thank me.
also the yuge windscreen is AMAZING. also 1000hp is fun, get the plaid.

>>28508279
Nah.

>>28508220
Ok retard.

>>28508279
>model X makes up for not having a proper 3rd row
It really doesn't. And the cargo space sucks
>but muh weirdly shaped frunk
No.

If you have kids and need a 3rd row you buy a Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade ESV. It's really that simple.

>>28508288
yeah this just isnt that nice for fucking 140k
ill take the ford transit plz

>>28508325
like i said, its not a real 3row as the american ones.
but between the frunk and the underfloor storage in the trunk, which your pic doesn't show, it kinda makes up for it. kinda. with the fake floor removed, the trunk can fit 2 big suitcases with all 6 seats up, pic related. add a couple soft bags in the front, maybe another one between the 2 captain chairs in the middle row, and you can actually go on a vacation. at least a short one.

>>28508333
>140k
A 2025 Escalade ESV starts at $93k.
>ill take
Anon, you don't even have a gf let alone kids.

>>28508341
As I said, you either need a 3rd row or you don't. If you need one, you get the full size Escalade ESV. There isn't really any competitor.

Then you get a Mustang GT or whatever as your car and you're set.

>>28508413
>There isn't really any competitor.
a literal van

>>28508421
No.

>>28508413
>As I said, you either need a 3rd row or you don't
life isn't so binary, anon.
maybe someone just wants a 6/7 seater to be able to carry parents/inlaws around once in a while. maybe someone has 4 kids, but small ones, that don't require that much luggage. maybe someone needs to be able to seat 3 rowdy teenagers, and having them share a single bench on the daily is just a no-go. maybe some1 already have a big 3 row suv (or, yuck, a minivan), and they're looking for a 2nd car that won't be used for trips.
there's lots of situations where a smaller 6/7seater makes more sense over full size 3 row.

again, emphatically, im not against the big 3 row suvs, and i especially like the escalade esv, which is definitely the best one, if price is no object.
im just saying, if you don't strictly need all that space and if you can charge at home, the model x is a pretty great alternative. esp. if you have to deal with child seats or elderly relatives, for which the falcon doors are best in class by a huge margin.

>>28508450
>maybe someone just wants a 6/7 seater to be able to carry parents/inlaws around once in a while
Then you don't NEED a 3rd row, you buy the GV80 or whatever and keep it folded 99% of the time. This is my point. If you need a 3rd row, you get the Escalade.

OP has 3 kids and will be always using the 3rd row.

>>28508459
again, things aren't so binary.
stop being an argumentative asshole for no reason.

>>28508462
Life is rather objective.

>>28506483 (OP)
Should I buy the Baja????? It has 100k miles for $3,500. Needs camshaft

>>28508206
Lol. 95% of the posts on this board are entirely ego driven. Charger-chad, corvettes, truckfags, bikefags. Every one of these guys is making a decision with their egos. Saying your wife had no right to an ego are the words of a guy with shit nigger tier woman as a partner.

>>28507493
Three kids don’t require a third row. You can jam three Diono Radian car seats/ boosters into the back seats of most mid sized and up cars. I’ve made it work just fine. With a fourth kid you’re totally screwed and need that third row.

>>28506483 (OP)
Get a Subaru wagon. Acura is good choice BTW.

>>28510440
Assuming there's a shop nearby that likes working on subies (or you can do the work yourself), yes, bajas are based

>>28507269
In his/my defense, it was the nicest GMT400 I'd seen in concious memory, immaculate except for one spot of peeling weatherstripping. New cars are just so horrible and unliveable, if given the choice between new and old for the same price I'd always take old and I'm not alone; prices will continue to climb on anything and everything pre '08. Worst part is? It's not just cars. Can't afford a classic? Stock up on old toasters and box fans. We've been living in the soviet union since '08, where money means nothing, where nobody has incentive to work thanks to welfare and infinite bailouts. Panic now.

>>28507486
The "mom-over" (or slop-over, or fag-over, or shit-over) will very soon become unbelievably cringe and she'll hate it and want it gone. Ger her a wagon, theyre becoming Hip TM, buick made one until '19

>>28506483 (OP)
can you teach me how up stop being poor please

>>28510485
It's not required but the fact is you're compromising instead of just buying a proper vehicle.

>>28510622
I have the Buick wagon. It’s kind of boring but it has been great for kids. I put my three in the back seats and then have a spacious cargo area for baseball equipment or whatever else.
>>28511100
Spending $500 on special car seats vs. $50k+ on a “proper vehicle” is a compromise I’ll make every time. The fact that I don’t have to drive a mini van or huge SUV alone whenever I’m by myself is an added benefit. The only downside to not getting a 7 passenger vehicle with a family of 5 is that you can’t take another person along with the family. That has only been an issue a few times and we’ve just taken two cars.

Kia telluride is the best one. Don't look any further.

Dodge durango r/t

>>28511776
THanks. THey look nice. Are they reliable and nice to drive?

>>28511801
Its ok put its an older platform than the kia sorento uses - u want the sorento or the carnival if u need more room

>>28511161
>$50k+ on a “proper vehicle”
Anon, that's kind of a retarded response. Why would it be mandatory to spend $50k+? OP has money and is willing to spend $65k on a vehicle. If you don't have a high income, you can just buy a nice Suburban for ~$15k. And you bought your current vehicle as well, dummy. It's not like it was free.
>The fact that I don’t have to drive a mini van or huge SUV alone whenever I’m by myself is an added benefit
You should have two cars. The family vehicle and your car, which is a fun sporty car.

One of the biggest issues with packing your kids 3 across in a smaller car is safety. It's significantly less safe than having them in a big Suburban in their own separate seats.

>>28511801
Considering pretty much every soccermom chooses the telluride these days i would say they must be reliable. ive never owned one though

>>28511776
>Kia telluride
Trunk space is very small.

>>28511872
The safety argument is weak. By that logic anybody with even one kid should immediately sell their car and buy a Suburban or super crew pickup because of the large vehicle arms race. Pic related is the pinnacle of family vehicles.

>>28511944
>By that logic anybody with even one kid should immediately sell their car and buy a Suburban or super crew pickup because of the large vehicle arms race
nta, but yes, that would be the safest choice. in a collision, all else being equal, the heavier vehicle wins. and also the tallest vehicle.
its stupid that we're in this arms race, but yes, absolutely, safest thing to drive is something modern and huge and heavy and tall.

>>28511944
>The safety argument is weak
>protecting your progeny is a weak argument
Are you retarded? And adding to what the other anon said, the safety issue is compounded by the fact that you're jamming your children together 3 across.

Also your pic is for poor white trash.

>>28511948
It isn't necessarily an arms race, in some ways it is, but two Miatas crashing is less safe than two Suburbans crashing. The Suburban has literal multiple feet more crumple zones and so much more material to absorb impact. Also, not all accidents involve another vehicle. You could be hitting a concrete wall or a tree and the Suburban will be safer as well in that scenario.

>>28512233
>what is f=ma
fucking physicslet

>>28513040
Dumb autist. As already stated, a large vehicle has significantly more crumple zone. The material is also larger and more robust. And due to interior room the occupants are farther away from windows, doors, roof etc. This means as they are shook around during a crash they are less likely to strike their head or other body parts on the window or door. It also means that if a cabin intrusion occurs it must penetrate deeper to actually strike the occupant. Even half a foot makes a massive difference for cabin intrusion.

>>28506483 (OP)
>>28506483 (OP)
Obviously the Acura MDX. It has a v6, the best styling, your third row, and is comfortable. Your wife will love. BUT!

What would your wife love more?

Consider a 22 RX 350L. That gen has the v6as well as what the Acura MDX has but with a (smaller) third row. Wives fucking love Lexus. I love mine.

>>28513040
>what's v = sqrt(2 * a * length)

>>28513151
>Wives fucking love Lexus. I love mine.
Are you a wife? Wom*n are not allowed here.

>>28513121
>>28513169
>conveniently leaves out the part where due to proportions, the miata actually has about the same amount of distance between the front bumper and driver as the suburban

>>28513184
But what about the distances between passenger bodies and doors, panels, pillars etc? Because it's the contact with them that usually kills you in a crash if you're moving fast enough.

>>28513184
There is over a foot of difference. Additionally the bumper/engine bay/firewall/frame is MUCH larger and made far more robust. There is far, far more material and space to absorb impact. V = L × W × H.

>>28513218
Remember the scenario presented? Two miatas crashing into each other have FAR less mass and thus far less energy to absorb in the first place.

>>28513257
Yep. And the two Miata crash is still less safe.

>>28513291
No

>>28513306
Cope, Sneed, dilate etc.

>>28513311
I accept your concession

>>28513318
Just admit you thought force is all that mattered and didn't consider other things including interior room providing spacing from impact, because you're an autist.

>>28513334
The space is basically the same with less than half the mass, retard

>>28510440
How sure are you that the camshaft needing to be replaced is an accurate assessment?

>>28510440
>Needs camshaft
Does not have one or is it fcuked.
Price a new motor first.

>>28513341
No.

>>28513359
Yes.

>>28513362
Well it's factually not true that the interior room "basically the same" in a Miata vs a Suburban. Physics, my dear boy.

>>28513393
And weighing almost 3 times less matters far more than a handful of extra inches. Physics, my dear boy.

>>28513414
Actually, it doesn't when you have sufficient material to absorb the energy. Physics. Also you don't seem to understand reality very well. Even an inch can be the difference between a traumatic brain injury or not. What matters is whether or not your head or body strikes something. The more room, the less likely you will strike something.

>>28513427
>a muh trugg obese american can't grasp the concept of weight mattering
Figures.

>>28513431
>eurocuck
LOL. No wonder you don't understand real life physics. You fucks are so feminine and inept.

Weight does matter, except in this case there is sufficient material to absorb the impact. As explained previously, please keep up.

>>28513435
>y*ro
No, I'm stuck on this shithole continent with you, retard

>>28513439
Oh you're just a communist retard? Feel free to move, faggot.

>>28513444
>just move lmao
>muh communism
Nobody who says this has ever looked into what it takes to move to a country. Hint: unless you're rich enough that the problems this country is facing don't matter to you anymore, no countries will just let you in.

>>28513449
So you're poor, gay, retarded and communist, but I repeat myself.

>>28513519
>devolves to ad hominem
I accept your concession, again

>>28513519
also
>reddit filename
go the fuck back

>>28513521
>>28513525
Cope.

@28513773
>one word, non-argument reply
you're gonna have to try harder than that, sweaty

>>28506483 (OP)
What about mazda CX-90? It's got a straight 6

>>28507511
You got more little electronics and software bs to worry about, but you can also go for the GMC version that has many nice features from the Escalade, but more simple like a tahoe/suburban. I been driving my 2015 Yukon with the 5.3 for quite a while, has 0 so issues at 150,000miles. If you get the 6.2l engine, get the recall work done asap.

Also, you don't need to get the XL version, my fat ass can fit in the third row just fine in the short version. The XL really makes a difference if you want haul a bunch of stuff with the third row up. Just know the in city gas millage sucks, XL or not.

>>28513872
The XL just expands the trunk room, which is 100% worth it.

>>28513898
>The XL just expands the trunk room, which is 100% worth it.
That's true, and the XL also comes bigger gas tank which really helps for road trips. That said, the regular versions exist for when you have a garage that you can't expand. My parents had a 2001 Yukon XL growing up and I remember when we got our new house, the whole garage had to redone and pushed into the laundry room just to park it inside. Also, parallel parking is way easier on the short one.

>>28506483 (OP)
I just got a severely used (220k/2014) toyota highlander hybrid and it's just a fucking dream. nobody tell toyota that ww2 is over and they can stop building tanks

>>28513952
I'm about to get a 2017 rx350 w/ 55k miles. Hope it's worth giving up my boiracer car for.

>>28513960
What, the one that cost over $20k at some Genesis dealer that's front wheel drive on top of all that? I really hope that's not you, and if it is, don't.
You can get into something a hell of a lot better than that for a similar price.

>>28513970
that's me but this is a different one. if it drives good and is very good I'll pay the lexus tax. if it feels very similar to my wife's cx5 then I need to reevaluate my life because a used one of those would be like $6k less

>>28513970
If you're going to drop $20k to $30k on a Lexus SUV, just go for the GX 460. Holds way better market value and comes standard with the most reliable V8 engine Toyota ever made. Also, you can get a bolt on roots supercharger kit for around $6k.

>>28513974
I'd at least be looking at AWD, since most similarly priced and sized luxo CUV/SUVs all offer AWD that's often rear-biased (X3/GLC/Stelvio/Macan). The RX350 does have the advantage of that n/a, direct + port injected V6 that makes more power than some of the base I4 turbo engines from those other brands however. AWD models also have a 'center lock' button in the center console that locks the AWD into 50/50 mode which actually gives it the ability to at least go off the beaten path. You still get similar MPG since it primarily acts "on demand" i.e. only when traction loss is detected the rest of the time.
Realistically, the Lexus will likely just have a softer tuned suspension and feel floaty in that good, American land-yacht sort of way. Coming from a CX-5 it'll probably just feel like a much more plush version. I had a few CX-5s as rentals before and they tend to have their suspensions tuned a bit 'sportier'.
>>28514038
These are worth it especially since they hold their value very well, even 250k+ mile examples regularly sell for quite a lot and they'll last way longer than that since they're just rebadged Land Cruiser Prados.
>Price includes $420 delivery to Pyongyang, North Korea

Chevy Suburban
Not going to beat the 5.3
No hybrid system to break later

>>28506490
Get on the actual inventory sites trucks are cheap af.

>>28507269
My very clean 99 Suburban was 10k 130,000 miles.
It's GMT800 you can get for free now.

>>28515969
>It's GMT800 you can get for free now.
On what planet? Even high mileage, beat to fuck 1500's on their original 4LSlippy are going for $3k+. Burbs tend to skirt around the truck meme tax but you're still going to have to pay for a clean one.

>>28514038
just not a good value for me. for the same price I'm looking at GX's that are +40k or 50k miles to a similarly priced RX. Unless a good one near me pops up for sale. i just dunno.