Thread 28511034

If you live somewhere with actual seasons and changing weather conditions, which is better?

it doesn't matter my man
i just take a bus

>>28511034 (OP)
Snow tires.

>>28511034 (OP)
Once you go AWD you will never go back.

If you have to ask... go AWD or FWD, get a set of used beater wheels with snow tires for the winter.
AWD only helps when you're on the throttle (starting from a stop or using throttle in corners) and won't make your car invincible to snow, but RWD can get you in trouble if you push it.

>>28511042
Will snow tires help RWD start on slippery slopes

>>28511034 (OP)
It depends on whether you prefer traction or drifting.

But traction is safer.

>>28511050
Yes

>>28511044
I went AWD and went immediately back to RWD, hated absolutely everything about the AWD car.

>>28511050
Yes, absolutely. Snow tires make a huge difference.
A real AWD with 3 LSDs on all-seasons might be better at it than open diff RWD with blizzaks however.

>>28511056
>I went AWD and went immediately back to RWD, hated absolutely everything about the AWD car.

Was it front wheel drive based or rear wheel drive based AWD?

Or was it a true 50-50 split?

>>28511057
It isn't
Multiplying almost no grip by 2 doesn't change that much

>>28511067
Open diff AWD sends torque to one wheel.
Real AWD with a full set of LSDs (think STi, not WRX) sends it to all four, all the time.
It's a bigger difference than you might expect, and probably equivalent to snow tires, I only have personal experience to go on, I'd love to see tests done (but AWD systems vary by a lot). You could also put snow tires on a 3-lsd awd if you wanted.

>>28511067
Open diff RWD sends torque to one wheel.
Real AWD with a full set of LSDs (think STi, not WRX) sends it to all four, all the time.
It's a bigger difference than you might expect, and probably equivalent to snow tires, I only have personal experience to go on, I'd love to see tests done (but AWD systems vary by a lot). You could also put snow tires on a 3-lsd awd if you wanted.

Why have 4 wheels, if youre not going to use them?

>>28511052
This gif always reminds me of that older internet gif of the guy pushing himself down a sidewalk in a milk crate or something being chased by a bunch of other guys that got turned into a thousand different memes

>>28511077
Pretty sure I need 4 wheels even for my front wheel drive shitbox

>>28511044
I went AWD and went back to FWD. It's very cool and let me drive like a retard and get away with it in winter, but I don't NEED it.

>>28511066
It was an Audi 100 quattro, proper 50-50 AWD with locking diffs.
It was impossible to oversteer, it understeered like a motherfucker.
I just didn't like it.

>>28511034 (OP)
all of them have advantages and disadvantages. Ultimately you should buy the right tool for the job. You do have a job in mind right anon? Or are you just fingerblasting your asshole with what-ifs and maybes?

>>28511042
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED

>>28511238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA66NlVkA7A

>>28511261
Yeah, FWD lets you be a retard, AWD lets you be a quick retard, RWD takes no prisoners if you go all retard.

>>28511034 (OP)
get a car that does both

>>28511077
Steer with one pair, put power down with another, as God intended.

>>28511034 (OP)
Proper tires. AWD won't help if you're trying to stop.

>>28511118
a different time, a different world...

>>28511074
it still depends on your tires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBsVEvpkk0

>>28511347
Well played

>>28511034 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuE00qdhLA


>>28511050
Nothing BUT proper tyres will stop you from sliding off the road. Every four wheel vehicle has four wheel roadkeeping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xROFzVFWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_R7S69z2Vs


Choose wisely.
If you want something that performs well all year and won't leave you stranded in your driveway when an overnight snowfall rolls through, the DWS06+ has been king for years. Defender LTX M/S2 and PSAS4 are also good.

If you live in an area where months of heavy snowfall are a annual occurrence and want something that can deal with that and also have the durability to be driven the rest of the year without replacement too, then AllSeasonContact 2, CrossClimate 2/3 Sport, Seasonproof 2, are all options.

>>28511034 (OP)
RWD is terrible in the snow

>>28511634
> RWD

>>28511456
that's why rear steering is for real enthusiasts

>>28511609
RWD Volvos with proper tires have managed driving in snow for decades without problems.

>>28511034 (OP)
AWD
>parasitic drive train
>less fun to drive
>usually front wheel bias if not primarily front wheel drive and rear wheel is kicked in when slip is detected

>>28511042
>>28511050
trust me rwd even with snow tires in the winter is not fun (when youre NOT trying to slide around)
just get a generic awd crossover

>>28511651
If that's the case then you lower the front and raise the rear.

>>28511681
Don't listen to this fag. Even a truck, a GMT800 on proper tires (Hakkapeliitta LT2 in my case) behaves great in 2Hi.

>>28511685
>burn out the rear diff

>RWD
driver’s delight
>AWD
commuter for people who can’t drive

>>28511712
Are you retarded?

>>28511939
What a well thought out retort. You've given me a lot to think about.

>>28511943
An appropriate question based on your retarded post.

>>28511034 (OP)
AWD is better than RWD in winter times. But the difference on better traction, better driving speeds and less slip and slide only shows up with proper winter tires. So if you put summer tires or all season tires on AWD, then put good winter RWD then RWD wins. Correct type of tires for the each different weather conditions are the most important for better traction.
Wrong tires for each weather conditions make traction, handling very poor regardless to what drivetrain car does have.

For me, it's FWD

>>28512803
foid wheel drive? not sure how that works unkess you're talking about being driven by your mom because you don't own a car

>>28512803
As a wise man once said "The horse does not push the fcuking cart".

>>28512930
Yeah, that's why you steer with front wheels.

Some one show me a RWm2sD Ben Hur.

>>28511118
paired exquisitely with japan break industries

>>28512965
*RWD.
An AWD one would do but I think pull me push you load moving was a thing.

>>28512930
until the horse pushing the cart whipped Enzo's ass and he started putting the horse behind the cart too

>>28512973
There's the one lol

RWD can on play around and cause danger on ice/snow.

>>28513758
Pics or it never happened.
BTW Lamborghini transverse V12 beats anything with red paint.

>>28512973
Top Gear in Japan

>>28511466
Wonder how Shaman King is good?

>>28515188
You're much more likely to understeer a FWD/AWD into oncoming traffic lol... Modern traction control has retard proofed RWD's in winter conditions.

Both my father and father in law are from heavy snow states, neither have 4x4 trucks, just RWD Chevies, load up the bed with some sand bags in the winter and use winter tread. Only time I've really seen either consider 4x4 is for muddin down here in Florida.

I used to be anti AWD until I drove the final WRX STI.
Incredible how light and nimble the front axle is

>>28516002
Try that in a hilly region. RWD in the winter works fine until you have to come to a complete stop on a steep hill and have to get going again.

>>28511044
I had the B5 with torsen diffs and 2.8l V6
It was good, but didn't really feel like I should buy another.
I still drive same model year car but Nipponese, which means it still works.
Passat shit the bed 15 years ago

honestly AWD is the worst.
RWD >>>>> FWD >>> AWD

>>28511034 (OP)
retarded ad
>pciture of a horse
>thats why we use AWD hurr

>picture of an animal that uses its front legs for drive
>thats why we use FWD

>picture of a bird
>thats why we build heligopters lol:DDD:D

>>28511681
Absolute retarded take of the highest retardation. AWD means nothing when your tires are as hard as hockey pucks.

I don’t understand why anyone would want drive a RWD death machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at08gzbmkkk

>>28521526
This. It's just too much power to be sending to only 2 wheels. In gifrel he's not even giving it that much gas yet he still eats shit. The car would still be on the road today had it been an xDrive

>>28511034 (OP)
RWD all the time, but also rear engine in my daily because I'm not a pussy

>>28519841
lol good bait

>>28521526
>a RWD death machine
same energy

RWD if you can afford actual good winter tires.
AWD if you are a cheap ass nigga who didnt take a basic skid /ice course. Or you live in the sahara/north pole.

RWD with rear engine off course

>>28511034 (OP)

I live in the snow belt and FWD with snow tires or all-weather tires is good enough like 99% of the time. You aren’t trying to drive around when there is a foot of snow on the ground breaking new trails. You’re driving in 2-3” of road slush or on packed snow where tire choice is the most relevant factor.

You lose out on slow, easy donuts in the snow which sucks, but most of the time if when your FWD loses traction it keeps the vehicle going straight instead of inducing oversteer.

>>28521943
Unless you're slipping from a standing start uphill
Then it's a lottery

you mean driving on the road that is cleaned and maybe has a little snow on it?
doesnt matter, get proper tyres and learn to drive

>>28521526
RWD + LSD and no TC is the most predictable
not retard-proof but 5-10 brain cells are enough to feel and predict exactly if/when it's going to slide the rear and control it.
i will never understand why people are afraid of rwd, it used to be the standard everybody drove without issue and I learned with RWD, actually have never driven FWD
if you drive like a normie it doesn't even matter, it won't slide