Thread 28512762

Literally who is this for?

>>28512762 (OP)
it looks good, chigger

>>28512762 (OP)
>/o/ hates cuv and suv slop
>Honda finally releases a lifestyle coupe which used to be a thing in the 80s and 90s
>Simple A to B getter with good mpg from hybrid system, makes ur average nu family with /no/kids look hip
>Not even a sports car
>Noooo you cant do this!!!! It needs 300hp, double wishbones, manual, rwd, weigh sub 1300kg, sporty look and make it 20k (still wont buy it)
/o/ just hates cars

>>28512772
>lifestyle coupe
tf is this?

>>28512792
What they call personal luxury coupes from the 80s/90s nowadays

>>28512793
why not luxury coupe

>>28512772
Literally who wants a 'lifestyle coupe' in 2025 tho
What cars does it compete with

>>28512762 (OP)
I'd buy one if I could afford one.

>>28512799
He only one I can think of is the Audi tt which was discontinued due to poor sales

>>28512762 (OP)
Jannie fingers typed this.

>>28512772
you forgot to mention that it's fucking hideous and looks nothing like a Prelude

>>28512762 (OP)
>1990 Prelude
>Honda with Ferrari-inspired design language
>2026 ""Prelude""
>Honda with Prius-inspired design language

>>28512799
>What cars does it compete with
That's the point, it's bringing back a neat class of cars that was killed in the early 2000s by SUVs and faux practicality.

>>28512762 (OP)
Pigfat slop

>>28512818
>it's bringing back something no one wants
cool I hope they bring back convertible minicars then

>>28512762 (OP)
A new Tiburon/Coupe? Sweet!

>>28512822
And a comparison to the real Prelude:
>>28512825
Honda S660 & Daihatsu Copen

>>28512825
Me too man, anything that's not a big ass blob on 30 inch rims at this point. Also had a Geo Metro convertible and that thing kicked ass

>>28512762 (OP)
the CR-Z community

>>28512772
>/o/ just hates cars
It's just the two R9K refugees that post their Chudcel cars here over and over.

>>28512772
Who the fuck wants a lifestyle coupe that is a prius in a bodykit?

>>28512815
That is terrible fitment on the bumper.

>>28512762 (OP)
Specifically me.

>>28512792
It’s a 2 door car that is cheap as fuck and slow but looks fast

If its rear wheel drive with a manual for $40k it'll be a hit.

>>28512939
Enthusiasts would complain that it's slow and not enough power with 200 hp. 86/BRZ makes more power, probably weigh less and cost less at that price. Only good thing is that it would have better fuel economy and a better engine

>>28512964
This thing is going to end up weighing like 3400lbs minimum with that hybrid bullshit. My automatic folding roof miata is faster than this piece of shit.

>>28512964
>Enthusiasts would complain
Thats all they ever do. Who cares what enthusiasts want? They don't make up significant sales for most vehicles. They never have a concise or clear demand because whenever automakers try to meet those enthusiast demands it inevitably turns into "its not enough" or "its too expensive".

Enthusiasts are posters on /o/, not people running out to buy shit.

male nurses

>>28512762 (OP)
I dont love it (looks like they took a gen 2 Eclipse and made it uglier) but if they price it right... maybe?
It really fills the same niche that these fwd fun shitboxes filled in the early 90s (integra, eclipse, etc.) but theyre so fuckin expensive now and there's been no market development of gen Z so yeah it's probably gonna bomb.

>>28512793
Those are grand tourers

>>28512994
I'm pretty sure they make up a significant proportion of coupe sales
Why would a normal person buy this over a civic or hrv?

>>28512933
So, a poser coupe? Why would anyone want that?

>>28513003
Not all 2 doors are for "enthusiasts". You're overthinking it assuming all small 2 door cars should be some 300HP RWD manual able to trade blows with a miata and rip up a local race track. Turns out most people just want something small, a little peppy, and gets decent MPG.

>>28513011
miatas are slow as fuck and handle with all the precision of a boneless limb THOUGH
>urns out most people just want something small, a little peppy, and gets decent MPG.
Then why do they only buy gay cuvs and trucks bmaooo

>>28512772
>/o/ just hates cars
nah pretty sure everyone on earth hates this car.
name one successful "lifestyle coupe" in history. you can't. there's never been one. because they're shit.

>>28512762 (OP)
if they made it RWD, it could be a hit.
But it's Honda, so it'll be 1.5 vtec turbo FWD.
Designed by asians, for asians.

>>28513018
>1.5 vtec turbo FWD
worse. na hybrid.
if it was a turbo then at least those are a little fun and it could be a small lightweight peppy little car with a manual like the old one.

>>28512801
Yeah out of the new cars available in its (presumptive) price range it seems the most appealing; I don't have money so I won't get one and probably will just end up getting a decade old ats or accord coupe instead

>>28513024
is it at least RWD or at a pinch, AWD?

>>28512808
FUCK JANNIES

>>28512939
Manual is obsolete tech at this point, anon. I doubt any new models will offer it. I bet the next Miata won't even have manual.

>>28513013
>I said recently that the BMW Z4 is the best of the open sports cars, but after a couple of days with the Mazda I realised I was talking nonsense. The BMW is excellent but the MX-5 demonstrates that its extra speed, extra grip and extra size is all a bit wasteful. In the little Japanese car you get exactly what you need, and exactly the space you need, and nothing more. I realise that the hairy-chested among you will be scoffing and tutting and heading straight for this column on the internet so you can speak your mind. You will say “girl’s car” and “gay” and all sorts of other things. Well, that’s fine. You waste your money on a Mustang or a Ferrari. The fact is that if you want a sports car, the MX-5 is perfect. Nothing on the road will give you better value. Nothing will give you so much fun. The only reason I’m giving it five stars is because I can’t give it 14.

>>28512994
Interesting is that the CTR is sold out and the integra is sitting on lots

>>28513032
awd. it's their new awd system where the rear wheels are fully electric.

Prelude was always the car that brought new tech to the overall lineup like anti-lock brakes, 4 wheel steer, etc... it would be neat if they introduced something on that level with this car. afaict they are adding the Hyundai EV fake shifting. meh

>>28513004
They sell when they are cheap. Hell regular coupe versions sold well on the civics but not the accords.

Nobody can afford a "fun but not super practical" car anymore, this thing is doomed unless Honda prices it for poorfags (they won't).

>>28513060
>Not super practical
Its is a hybrid. With accord sized interior space.

>>28513068
And a hatchback. And rear seats so you can put a child seat in it (not as easy as a 4 door but possible).

>>28512809
Is this AWD? Am I imagining that there is hybrid with an engine up front and an EV transaxle in the rear?

>>28513050
sovlless

>>28512772
>Honda finally releases a lifestyle coupe which used to be a thing in the 80s and 90s
It seems like people have forgotten that those used to be a thing that NPCs actually drove as commuter cars, instead of pigfat CUVs. I'd rather see tons of these crawling around the street rather than another CR-V or HR-V. Of course I don't want one, I'm not the target market for it.
Any coping otherwise is just defending cuckovers. Of course I already know that coupes sell like shit, which is why there is no more Accord/Camry coupe. I'd just like that to change.

>>28513070
Which is why I plan to buy if they price it like the civic or accord hybrid. I just want a newer coupe, I have a motorcycle for a manual vehicle.

>>28512772
Lost me at "hybrid system"
Its disposable trash

>>28513077
nearly everything in the picture is a hatchback. a hatchback makes sense. a coupe doesn't.
it's so funny to watch people try to say "no actually people WANT this kind of car! they didn't want it when it was the accord coupe and it got cancelled. they didn't want it when was the civic coupe and it got cancelled. they didn't want it when it was the crx and it got cancelled. hell they didn't even want it when was the old prelude and that got cancelled. they didn't want it when every other car maker tried making the same thing and they all get cancelled due to poor sales leading to there being zero examples on sale today. but people actually want this one"

>>28513045
>This will not endear me to anyone that's owned or loved an mx-5. I just always judge sports cars on the way they drive; and I've always found the little mazda to be slow, imprecise, and unsatisfying
>I don't know what it is. I feel a bit ashamed in an mx-5
>a machine which drives with all the precision of a boneless limb
B O N E L E S S

>>28513056
posers only buy cheap cars; got it

>>28513104
>nearly everything in the picture is a hatchback. a hatchback makes sense. a coupe doesn't.
The prelude is a hatchback

>>28513078
You don't like cars; wr get it

>>28512762 (OP)
>Literally who is this for?
I kind of like it

>>28513104
hatchbacks are the least practical body style THOUGH
Even my SPORTS COUPE could fit more cargo AND passengers than fucking hatchback
>inb4 noooo you don't understand I NEED to move a fucking washing machine EVERY DAY!!

>>28512994
trvke
moreover, the same enthusiasts will tell everyone how you are an "npc" if you buy a new car in general, and then make all sorts of demands of car companies.

>>28512762 (OP)
Enthusiast cars became too expensive due to govt regulation, thus the community shrank. Cool regular car people have hobbies that are not sport coupe applicable.

>>28513113
no it isn't

>>28513104
Who said any of that bullshit that you just spewed, anon? Sounds like you're projecting.
It's funny to see people have 0 reading comprehension - go back and read my first post again. Slowly this time.

>>28513119
Buying a new car isn't what makes one an "npc" in the parlance of our times. Buying a slow, shitty, generic, fag-wheel drive, commuter economy car does, however

>people will buy a coupe... THIS TIME!

I'm not even mad because this car looks sick. But is anyone going to buy it? People want a 'do everything' car, and that formfactor is the crossover. Imagine putting a carseat in the back of this thing. Maybe you can technically do it in theory, but I'm sure it's annoying as fuck compared to a vehicle with 4 doors. Until something offers a real advantage over crossovers, they will remain the standard transportation for the NPC masses.

>>28513167
>you can fit a small suitecase in here! See, it's practical guys!

>>28513114
I drive a 2017 Civic EXL now and genuinely like it. I don't care how much /o/ made fun of it when I posted it.

>>28513167
nothing is sacred. mitsubishi-tier desecration of a nameplate

>>28513186
no 2 door car is practical. not even your gay little cuckbox hatchback

>>28513213
what makes a hatchback, a form factor invented for and coveted solely for its practicality and numerous advantages over trunks, impractical in your eyes?

>>28512772
The crazy thing is my 93 Honda accord had double wishbone front and rear. Do modern Hondas actually not have this?

>>28513227
My SPORTS COUPE can hold more cargo than a hatchback while ALSO carrying passengers. hatchbacks are literally the most useless body style

>>28513229
LOL that thing is riced as FUCK godsDAMN weeblet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelets are fuckin WILD bmaooo

>>28513229
japan was comically rich when those cars were being designed. they could afford high end suspension on commuter cars

>>28513231
what vehicles are you specifically referring to in this comparison? because that's the most insane shit i've ever heard. are you comparing a CLE to a ForTwo?

5 gorillion hours in MS Paint

>>28513243
An E92 to a mirage

>>28512762 (OP)
Finally, a 2-door Prius

>>28513016
The Cadillac DeVille

>>28513261
oh sure that's a totally valid comparison

>>28513107
>opinion of Clarkson vs Harris

>>28513282
Not my fault hatchbacks are fucking useless
>>28513294
>opinion of a comedian vs someone who knows how to drive actually fast cars

>>28513348
it's your fault you chose one of the smallest cars made in the last 20 years as your point of reference. imagine if it were me making the argument and comparing a subaru outback to a z4

>>28513233
>1" front lip
>aftermarket wheels
>less than 1" drop from stock ride height
>riced as fuck
lol
>>28513241
true good point.

>>28513348
My shitbox hatchback can seat 4 adults comfortably (5 if they are women or skinny and don't mind being squished), it can move most furniture if you put the seats down, it gets MPG close to hybrids despite being an old ICE, it's at least a little fun to drive being a smooth manual, only needed the bare minimum in maintenance despite me beating the fuck out of it, and it cost me almost nothing when I bought it (yeah, the market has gone to shit since, but still).

There is no more practical vehicle, and never has been. This is why the jew took the cheap hatchback shitbox away from us.

>>28513377
Is the E92 supposed to be comparable to an outback? what gay hatchback would you like me to compare it to?
>>28513382
>everything is only one (1) inch!!!

>>28513383
My slow sedan can do all that but they don't make 'em like they used to
And how can ANYTHING be as good as the best sports sedan overall that there is in the first place

>>28513388
is it really asking so much to just compare two cars that are the same size?

>>28513396
>best sport sedan
>mcdonalds struts
Lmao

>>28513016
>name one successful "lifestyle coupe" in history
Whatever the coupe versions of EG and EK Civics were called, they used to be fucking everywhere.
Integra
Prelude
Silvia/240SX
Cavalier
Saturn SC2
Camry Solara
Lexus SC

Some of those had performance variants or have found a "tuner" niche but they were all intended as lifestyle coupes, cars for normies who didn't care about performance and just wanted a cool 2 door daily.

The GR86 is a highly tunable 250hp 6-speed RWD drift machine, and it barely sells. Who the hell is going to buy an undriftable FWD auto-only 200hp equivalent that can't be tuned on account of the hybrid drivetrain?

>>28513489
The coup versions that were super popular were the em, fg, and ej. The Integra and crx were the options for coupes for the civic for the 5th gen.
>>28513498
More people care about looks than internals and price+looks/practicality sell. CUV took off when coupes started to cost more than the CUV equivalent in the 2010s.

>>28513505
Yeah, I thought EM might be one of them. I also forgot the FGs, I actually had an FA SI for a while too (and seem to be the only person on Earth who had a bad experience with one) so that was dumb of me.

This would have been my ideal car when I was younger - i have an accord coupe k24, basically the same format but the prelude does it with both enough power and fuel efficiency.

Problem is I can get a Ford Maverick XL with AWD and 4k tow for 40k and I bet the prelude will start at that. I'm older now and want to go camping and fishing with others, why would I bother with a coupe again

the ONLY thing it has going for it is that it's a coupe (as in less practicality than a prius, more expensive than a prius, but you get 2 doors so it looks better)

So how much does /o/ think Honda will sell this for? More than a base civic? Accord? CRV?
I'm gonna put bets on 30k$.

>>28513489
>Cavalier
>Saturn SC2
>Camry Solara
these are discontinued

>Lexus SC
this is a luxury car


>Integra
>Prelude
>Silvia/240SX
these are sportscars. and two of them are basically the same car and also discontinued.
not really making a strong case here pal

>>28513609
$44,995.00

>>28513609
probably similar price to the civic hybrid hatchback touring or roughly 33k. maybe slightly more but i doubt it

Threw it into photoshop real quick. How much do you want to bet the facelift will do away with the weird nose grille?

>>28513942
or add a 'visor'

>>28513721
>these are sportscars.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/スペシャルティカー

>>28512762 (OP)
>new prelude makes enthusiast seethe at levels that shouldn't be possible
If you apply the Enthusiasts Are Always Wrong Law and take the inverse of the amount of seething then we can accurately predict that this car is going to sell like hot cakes.

>>28513260
This is nice.

>>28513455
fun um but the reality of the situation is the E39 is the best sporrs sedan overall that there is

>>28512762 (OP)
Honda got rid of the civic coupe thinking it was unprofitable, but ended up giving the entire cheap Asian coupe market to Toyota's 86. Now they are trying to come back with a legacy name to eat some of that market share

>>28514039
i rather have the gr86 than this hybrid automatic crap nobody asked for.

>>28512762 (OP)
Maybe me. I was already sold on a hybrid Civic to replace my Ford Fiesta (I drive 90% solo, commute and pleasure) and if this isn't much more expensive than the Civic and I fit comfortably in it, I don't really need space for 3 adult passengers so I'll trade that for driving quality.
>>28513075
You're imagining, the Prius has a smaller electric motor in the trunk dedicated to the rear wheels but it only kicks in when it detects slippage.

>>28513942
10/10

>>28513942
Did some more. Removed spoiler and changed side profile proportions to make it look less Civic-y

>>28514075
Appreciate the feedback

>>28514091
It is now just the 2016 coupe with a different headlight settup.

>>28512772
>300hp, double wishbones, manual, rwd, weigh sub 1300kg, sporty look and make it 20k
so a nissan silvia, an actual lifestyle coupe from 25 years ago?

>>28512762 (OP)
I've owned 3 Preludes, and I would never buy this. Automatic only, and hybrid drivetrain? No thanks. If it had a manual and if the hybrid drivetrain was replaced with a turbo 4 cylinder I would reconsider.

>>28512831
Unfortunately building cars that looks like the 3rd gen prelude is literally impossible with current regulations, the hood is too low and the pillars are too narrow.

>>28512772
>300hp, manual, rwd
Sounds good to me. Too bad this is fag wheel drive and probably makes less power.

>500 pounds heavier than the last gen prelude
>same amount of power
What a fucking joke.

>>28514091
It just looks like a 350z.

>>28512818
>faux practicality
I don't like how every other car is basically a crossover nowadays, but for your average person aren't they pretty practical? More luggage space and seating

>>28514121
you'd be surprised, some of these are like an anti-tardis, much smaller on the inside than the exterior makes it look like

>>28512762 (OP)
>cvt only

>>28514127
e-cvt, not mechanical cvt. Probably electric motor direct drive like Civic Hybrid.

>>28512772
>lifestyle coupe
They absolutely could, if they market it as loghter sportier civic. Or they can fuck it up by offering only hybrid pigfat options.

>>28512762 (OP)
I bought an ND MX5 in 2019 and I've had my fun. These days I value comfort and economy, so a good looking automatic with a hybrid drivetrain is literally a dream come true. Will buy this day 1 if its not too steep

with rear seats capable of fitting a small jew!

>>28512762 (OP)
People who want a ecenomic sporty coupe? You know the type of car that used to be common, and now everyone complains that they're gone. A coupe can just be a normal car.

>>28512762 (OP)
>Literally who is this for?

Me if it was RWD. I don't know why they make these things FWD, I guess its cheaper and has more interior space; but I don't see the point of a FWD sports car. Pic related, another car that should have been RWD.

>>28513024
The honda 2.0 hybrid ecvt powertrain is faster than the 1.5t.

>>28514121
Depends on the specific model, some of them can be deceptively small. And crossovers specifically are normally smaller inside than a comparable hatchback, since they raise up the drivetrain for AWD and that rugged look

it looks like the new fucking prius

fuck
Redo the SEAT ibiza
I NEED A SLOP Suzuki cappuccino next
Would get more sales retooling for the 90s prelude body with all of the new shit like beeping and chimes and assistance noises

>>28516373
these shit machines were pretty cool, too bad they all somehow disappeared off the road overnight

>>28516374
.... when the battery is fully charged

>>28513785
I dunno why racers don't just go full bald like shaved eyebrows and everything.
>keeps you cooler
>less itchy
>less rashes
>no hairs getting caught
I'm telling you guys the hitman hairstyle with super saiyan 3 eyebrows is gonna be the new meta

>>28512822
>when you had plans to make it mid engine but change your mind last minute

>>28512999
Honestly. Mitsubishi and Nissan could have collabed to make a car. And they just call it an Eclipse/SX

>>28513498
>barely sells
total volume doesn't matter if the margin is OK
>Who the hell is going to buy
The GT86 (and now GR86) are popular with women. It's a cute, non-imposing, small car that's pretty affordable and very customizable, available in automatic and decent on gas.
The Prelude competes with that by being FWD, which makes it cheaper, leaving room in the budget for a hybrid system to improve MPG. The back seats look comparable, if not a little bit bigger than Toyota's. If Honda can sell at or below the price of a GR86, it could work for them. The small-ish 2+2 coupe market is pretty sad in the era of the bloated crossover. I don't like or want one of these, and I do prefer the GR86, I'm just gay and wanted to make a point

>>28513498
the GR86 "barely sells" because Toyota is barely making any.

>>28512831
>>28513229
I want to go back.

>>28512762 (OP)
It is for the NPC weebcels

>>28513229
>>28513382
the rest of the car it's fine it's clean but get different wheels they also heavily worsen ride comfort,unless that thing is seriously tuned ditch them

>>28513283
popup headlight could potentially harm any innocent BLM protestors that you might run over

>>28514091
cool but yours wouldn't pass any safety requirements of the last 10 years

>>28517843
>all somehow disappeared off the road overnight
they stopped making them and all the survivors were crashed by mentally handicapped teenagers

>>28517892
The battery in modern hybrids are never even that low unless somethings failed, and regardless it literally provides voltage from a generator directly to the drive unit. Why do you hate a system when you don't even understand how it works?

>>28512762 (OP)
>fwd coupe

but why

They made it just for me ;)

>>28512772
/o/ is poor. They hate on new cars because they can't afford them.

>>28512772
> hybrid system

>>28518266
No, new cars are jusy mostly GAY as FUCK. Mostly

>>28514651
By the gods i love perkies so much

>>28518288
Can you name a new car that you like?

>>28512815
>1990 Prelude
>Honda with Ferrari-inspired design language
u sure that's still not the case?
>>28513942
>>28514091
looks a little better, if Honda doesn't change the design, this looks highly plausible with aftermarket.

>>28518244
So you can drive it in winter

>>28518804
>"he can't handle an fr car in the cold"

>>28512762 (OP)
Not for your car hating retard

>>28513200
Correct, cars aren't sacred. Car names aren't sacred. Brands aren't sacred. They're making money. Stop applying gay logic to products.

>>28512792
A car for gays

>>28518292
Miata, toyobaru

Why would anyone buy a prelude over a slightly older V6 Accord Coupe

>>28519475
muh prestige

>>28519475
It's pretty hard to find the V6 coupes anymore, especially if you want the manual. For normies though, having a warranty, and the social credit for owning a new car, are the major reasons

>>28519477
How did the Nizzan Z go with that prestige?

>>28512799
>What cars does it compete with
exactly
if everyone is selling apples, sell oranges

>>28512809
>and looks nothing like a Prelude
prelude never looked like prelude, aside from three generations of generic wedge

>>28519965
>three
two
brainfart

>>28512772
The market target for these cars either don't have the disposable income or the taste for car to want one. I know several young couples who could afford it, but they only keep around an old junker for when public transit cannot cut it.

>>28512762 (OP)
quack

>>28513004
>So, a poser coupe?
Nigger that's what "sports cars" were for the longest time before your era of NEETs benchracing. Kill yourself.

>>28512762 (OP)
Low earning, single, nostalgic millennials

>>28513183
>People want a 'do everything' car, and that formfactor is the crossover
Shut the fuck up that form was a 4-doors hatchback or a wagon.

>>28513261
>>28513348
You disgusting nigger. Why won't you die?

>>28520010
you see, women are a part of that "do everything", and women like to sit high up

>>28519978
Thats actually kinda neat. Watch this car sell really well after all the enthusiasts say its dumb.

>>28520050
>a $40,000 2-door economy car will sell well in the age when NPCs believe they need a 7 seater SUV while living alone in a 1 bedroom apartment

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/honda/prelude-prototype/first-drive
First review is out

>>28520037
Shut the fuck up faggot. I wish strangling you after tearing your eyes out was part of that "do everything".

>>28520059
this car is designed for turbo-cuck EU emissions laws since they outlawed the Type-R

>>28519965
Undoubtedly the most idiotic fucking post I've seen this week

>>28512792
I think they used to be called ricers :P

>>28522272
>FWD
>1500kg
>6k redline
>181hp
>1KWh "hybrid"
>Starting at 40k $
>Fake engine noise
Maybe if it was a lil bit cheaper but this is essentially just a reskinned civic coupe.

>>28520010
A crossover is just a tall hatchback. All of the reasons you like a hatchback are the same reasons everyone else likes a crossover except they're also more comfortable.

>>28523755
>mu high sitting position
Die goy.

>>28523766
Ergonomics are ergonomics. 'sgot nothing to do with me

It's a psudeo-personal luxury GT car that was made using the more sporty name. It's nowhere near as egregious as the fucking eclipse being turned into a CUV, but it still isn't 100% in the spirit of the nameplate. I think most anons now, especially after cars like the mustang, challenger/charger, 3 series, 86, and others have been able to use their legacy or legacy-like nameplate to give cars that are similar to their old models, are dissapointed that Honda decided to only go about 70-80%

>>28523551
Bleak, but I don't see how Honda could really make a new Prelude that would live up to our expectations. I wouldn't even be mad if it cost as much as a new type r if it was stylish and innovative the way the older gens were.

>>28523829
Why are you even posting on this board you commuting cuck? Hope your wife divorces you so you'll finally shut up.

>>28524092
I'm telling you bro it's got nothing to do with me. Like do you think I'm the one who bought single handedly bought 400k Rav4s last year?

>>28522276
He's right tho women ruin everything

>>28518238
>Why do you hate a system when you don't even understand how it works?
Not him, but it's probably you who doesn't understand.
Batteries indeed don't go down to 0% SoC, but the controller stops discharging them past certain point to preserve them, and when they can't be discharged, the powertrain can't get the power from them, so you're stuck with only what the ICE can provide, in other words, there's no boost.