Thread 28514449

What's the best hot hatch?

the one that sent power to the correct wheels.

In order to categorize what the best hot hatch is, we must defines a good hot hatch
>good handling
>small
>quick
>practical
>reliable
>reasonably priced
With these categories in mind, the M140i xDrive wins

Current production cars? Gr yaris.

>>28514449 (OP)
Hot hatch used to entail affordability.

>>28514451
What about sending just as much power to the right wheels as you need?

easily the last gen suzuki swift sport because its the only recent one that still weighs less than 1000kg

>>28514449 (OP)

Shoe.

>>28514476
>not a hatchback
>extremely low hp
kys

>>28514449 (OP)

>Best hot hatch
>FWD

Hardeeharhar.

https://youtu.be/atuFSv2bLa8

>>28514514
>this one is the best because I saw it in my Japanese cartoons

>>28514517

Do you have an objection to the actual car? Or just to cartoons?

>>28514514
>>28514519
that's a fastback

>>28514520

That's better.

The Japs sold it as a hatch, I don't know. You be the judge.

>>28514449 (OP)
volvo c30

>>28514459
im convinced that the Swift Sport is the closest thing to a modern spiritual successor to the true classic hot hatches of the 80s and 90s

>>28514525
Technically most coupes are "hatchbacks." Eclipse, Integra, etc. Because the trunk opens like a hatch.
But those aren't what actual people refer to as hatchbacks. We call those coupes or liftbacks generally.

>>28514449 (OP)
Nice Rover 200 you have there. ;)

>>28514514
>>28514520
>>28514525
It's called a LIFTback you fucking drongo cunts

Renault Clio V6.
No question.
No argument.
No competition.

>>28514622
Doesn't matter what term you use to describe it. The rear cargo area is part of the passenger cabin and is accessed by a top hinged hatch door. It's a hatchback. Categorize them with all the sub-categories you want, they're still hatchbacks.

>>28514627
True.
I've spent a few hours thinking about it nad my answer would be pic but that's wnak for shopping.

>>28514627
Certainly the sportiest one but also expensive and impractical. It's the best at being hot but the worst at being hatch.

>>28514628
Nope, a HATCHback has a steep angle on the hatch - less than 45 degrees from vertical.
The purpose of this distinction is that "hatchback" is a class of compact car, so the hatch must be compact.

>>28514627
>V6
No way Jose, it's way too unwieldy and impractical to be a good hot hatch, it doesn't even handle that well. The 182 runs circles around it, and the Trophy leaves the V6 even further behind.

>>28514628
>The Toyota Sienna is a hatchback!
You, and everyone else, know what OP was referring to and it isn't an 86.

>>28514665
Three rows makes that "any other weapon".

>tfw no i30N in north america
amerifats fucking ruin everything
i have an elantra N and it's based but a hatch would be better than the sedan in every way

>>28514462
>>28514598
>>28514599
>>28514950
>>28514955
If it has 4 doors instead of 2, it ain't a hot hatch, it's a wagon/estate.

>>28514960
a wagon is an entirely different body shape and the distinction has nothing to do with the number of doors
the gr corolla for example is not a fucking wagon

>>28514960
today I learned these two cars are actually the same body style, thank you anon

>>28514971
>A station wagon (US, also wagon) or estate car (UK, also estate) is an automotive body-style variant of a SEDAN with its roof extended rearward over a shared passenger/cargo volume with access at the back via a fifth door (the liftgate, or tailgate), instead of a trunk/boot lid

Sorry bro, I didn't make up the definition, this is just how it is. If it is a coupe (2 doors) with a hatch on the back it's a hatchback. If it is a sedan (4 doors) with a hatch on the back, it's a wagon.

Being young might make this not obvious as the industry has been trying to phase out the station wagon terminology for a while because everyone thinks station wagons are lame as fuck and people are far more likely to opt for it if it's referred to as a hatchback or crossover.

>>28515000
>2 doors
>hatch
>hot
i think we have a winner boys

>>28514986
>the rear cargo area is slightly larger on the one car, that makes it a completely different body style
Retarded.

>>28515000
>If it is a coupe (2 doors) with a hatch on the back it's a hatchback
>supra is a hatchback

>>28515004
Enzo is seething about this thing in the afterlife

Its Honder Jazz, its hot to me and I give it head pats. Good lil car.

>>28515005
Sorry bro, I didn't make up the definition, this is just how it is. Doors have nothing to do with whether it's a wagon or not, it's that the cargo area needs to have full size windows and the roof needs to cover at least half of the cargo area.

>>28515004
>>28515008
Correct, these are both technically hatchbacks, specifically of the "liftback" variety.

>"Liftback" is a term for hatchback models in which the rear cargo door or hatch is more horizontally angled than on an average hatchback, and as a result, the hatch is lifted more upwards than backward, to open.

>>28515017
You may not like it, but this is still a wagon despite having 3 doors.

>>28515017
Oh, well if that's what Jason Torchinsky says, it must be the case, yeah?

>>28515026
I fucking knew this would be your reply, who the fuck cares who wrote it

>>28515027
>who the fuck cares who wrote it
People who are interested in reality rather than some random guy's opinion.

>>28515029
Attacking the author instead of the content is not an argument.

>>28515029
also
>some random guy's opinion
Why are you on a forum arguing opinions with random anonymous faggots then?

>>28515031
Because I'm bored.

>>28515004
yeah basically this but its kinda cheating. more common ones what op actually meant probably megane rs

>>28514449 (OP)
>What's the best hot hatch?

The original.

>>28515064
Bro, there was nothing "hot" about the original mini. It was slow as hell and the suspension was total garbage.

>>28515094

It was the 60s, everything was slow as hell with garbage suspension. That didn't mean you couldn't have fun with it.

https://youtu.be/yWr3sq-BDhQ

>>28515064
This is the best goddam Mini ther ever was. Apparently it was too expensive for BL to import cars from Italy so the wider world never got the best car.

>>28514628
The Dodge Viper has a liftback trunk suck my dick nigga woo woo woo woo woo.

>>28514512
>>28515004
>>28515021
shooting brake retards

>>28515239
define a hot hatch then

>>28514449 (OP)
Fit.

Behold, a station wagon.

>>28515291
Hot hatch is a warmed over version of a shopping trolley.
Mk.1 Golf GTi is the original.

>>28515000
My 1985 Full-size Bronco title says:
>body type: 2D Wagon
Where is your God now?
Faggot.

it's technically the RS3. a really fucking fast golf

>>28515064
not a hatchback

I still like the type r civic

>>28515291
a "hot hatch" is a performance version of the "hatchback" class of vehicle

I really like the Peugeot 206 gti, how reliable are they?

>>28515337
I dunno did they invent the "SUV" term yet in 1985?

>>28515347
>manual
boyricer garbage

>>28514449 (OP)
A bubble civic WITH a few simple mods. NOTHING is faster.

>>28515376
Person who got a licence in the cerial box detected.

Liftback
Hatchback
Sedan
Wagon

There are also 2 door variations which I don't have pictures of, including:
3 door hatchback
hardtop coupe
liftback coupe (not for this model)
2 door panelvan (not for this model)

>>28515356
define a hatchback

>>28515395
Not your Truuk,

>>28515385
nice try but I’m a yurobean boomer.
dct+zf8 is where it’s at.
manual was cool 20+ years ago

>>28515403
Try getting a rental. No wait, you'll have an auto stolen to order.

>>28515395
A compact passenger vehicle which incorporates a vertically or near vertically mounted rear hatch door hinging from the roof for the purpose of creating a compact luggage compartment.

>>28515347
liftback

>>28515411
Explain why genuine pro race drivers opt for the PDK instead of manual in their private GT3 RS and similar vehicles

>>28515359
Wouldn't that make an "SUV" just a subset of wagon since the Bronco was already legally defined (?)

>>28515417
got yourself a little mixed up there buddy

>>28515417
Because manuals are for slow cars to make them less boring.
Fast cars go for flappy paddles.

>>28515418
Perhaps the Bronco was erroneously defined because they had not yet invented a suitable name for this new increasingly popular classification of vehicle.
Perhaps they just chose the existing classifications which was the closest to fitting.

>>28514451
>>28514455
>>28514462
>>28514606
>>28514627
>>28514631

Great taste!

Not the best, but it's the most based.

>>28515403
DCT is very gay

>>28515436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrMoDebyJoE

>>28514627
Extremely cool, but Renault abandoned it too soon to fix its terrible dynamics.

>>28515426
Why wouldnt the Bronco be a Wagon?
Because it's body on frame? (like a crown vic).
Because it uses a pickup as its base?
>1) a pickup is still considered a passenger vehicle.
>2) previous generations of vehicles used the same chassis for sedan and pickup variants (model A, model T)
So what's the issue here?

>>28515618
Because it's a high ground clearance 4WD with different proportions and we call those SUVs now.

For me, it's this little fucker

Does Lancia Delta Integrale count?
If yes, then that. In red.

>>28514462
It's a gas pedal not a suggestion pedal.

>>28515652
>we call those SUVs now.
The term "Sport Utility Vehicle" was purely a marketing gimmick.
4x4 is not mandatory and a model T has higher ground clearance than 99% of modern SUVs.

Yes terminology changes over time.
Being an SUV does not change the fact that its a wagon.
An AMC Eagle would be classified as an SUV.
An Isizu Brat would be classified as an SUV.
Bronco, Eagle and Brat are 3 completely different vehicles that cannot share the same classification of any automotive definition.

My first car. Cost under 8k brand new.

you're all wrong

>>28515436
extremely based

>>28515726
Nah you're just pretending to be obtuse now

>>28514449 (OP)
GMC Typhoon

>>28514451
>>28514512

Better shoe.

>>28515902
Is this a wagon or an SUV?

>>28515913
Is this a wagon?

>>28515955
No.
Lacks cargo area.

i30N Performance.

>>28514627
you spin me round round, baby right round.
like a clio v 6, round round round round.

>>28515972
But anon it has the same seat and cargo layout as the Bronco

>>28514449 (OP)
>best hot hatch
This is unquestionably the only correct answer

>>28516079
No.
It doesn't.
Bronco has a cargo area behind the rear seat.

>>28516079
See.
>>28516183
And
>>28515017

>>28516185
suck my dick, faggot

>>28515955
Wagons will take a sofa.
Pic aint no wagon either.

>>28516185
But anon the corolla hatchback also has a cargo area behind the rear seat

>>28516212
So "wagon" is determined by size?
If it were exactly the same but physically larger it would be a wagon?

>>28516241
If you scaled an uno up to take a sofa it would be two lanes wide.
That's large enough to win a Formula 1 race.

This is like the ATF trying to define the different types of firearms.

>>28516273
>ATF
ATHF

>>28515913
four wheel drive unibody wagon same as a forester before they became an suv.

>>28516248
So are small wagons not wagons then?

>>28516238
See
>>28515017

>>28516241
>if a mini truck was bigger it would be a fullsize?!

>>28516565
but anon, the corolla has the same general shape and window layout as the Bronco

>>28516569
So are small wagons "mini-wagons" then?

>>28517003
If all you can get in the back is a Lab and a Shotgun then it is a brake.

>>28517000
>the same general shape and window layout as the Bronco
No.
It doesn't.
You think you have a "gotcha" moment but I've already pointed out the difference (that you have not addressed) and youre too fucking stupid to either understand it or see it.
At this point youre a broken record.
Find better bait.

>>28514449 (OP)
Lancia Delta Integrale Evo

>>28514476
Only time when its hot is when the battery is on fire

VW with best looking headlights

>>28517181
It literally does anon.

>>28517007
Not a wagon then?

>>28517287
That's not a wagon that's a Hi Lux with a roof.

>>28517328
You seem to be confused.

The OG. Uncle has the same, 1983 GTI and it has less that 3000 original miles in it. It was mint, but he's kept it under a tarp on the coast of Maine where it's all salt. It's been under a tarp since 1993. He's such a dumbass

>>28517378
The euro version had better engines and suspension.

>>28517280
Stupid motherfucker.
See:
>>28515017

See where the back seat is in the Corolla?
See where the back seat is in the Bronco?
And no, manipulating the rear seat to create an artificial cargo area doesnt count. Thats literally part of the definition of a wagon is having a separate, independent cargo area.

Find some other bait so I can Blow You The Fuck Out again

>>28517385
And wasn't named after a timid herbivore.

>>28517287
I can fit a lab, shotgun, cooler and grill in the cargo area.
Its a wagon.

>>28517395
I'll give you timid herbivore you cheeky cunt.

>>28517402
If you want it to be then make it so.
My wagon is officially a wagon because the handbook says so.

>>28517392
The Bronco and the Corolla both have the rear seat and cargo area in the same place anon.

>>28517420
Holy shit youre fucking stupid.

>>28517420
Now eat a dick and crawl back to /n/

>>28517420
No roof line or windows in cargo area = not a wagon.

>>28517427
>>28517429
>>28517433

>>28514449 (OP)
1.6 L. 120 hp. 900 kg Light & nimbel. go to pumaspeed.uk for extra oommmfff.
Not all the Electronic shit like the new cars
I love it . I have a 2009 ind white
Sorry for "Stock pic"... Im ind spain on holliday.

>>28517427
>>28517429
>>28517433

Oh you didn't know?

>>28517443
Beach assault Focus is best Focus.
https://youtu.be/xUHxh2hDErM

>>28517447
Thats not the vehicle in question, dipshit.
You really are a fucking moron

>>28517443
Pumaspeed.co.uk
Sorry :p

>>28517459
Is that a wagon then?

>>28517453
Yeeerrr that was great! Also the shopping center on
TY for reminding me

>>28517476
They did cheat and fit a snorkel. They didn't tell Ford what they had in mind for it.

>>28515017
Why don't you make up the definition? The random guy you're quoting here made up his own.

>>28517668
Why would I do that when I agree with that definition?

>>28517395
you mean it's called the Volkswagen Redditor?

>>28515005
>Admits the body is different and can't understand why that makes it a completely different body style.

I think you need to seek help you may be retard.

>>28517985
Both of these are sedans

>>28518253
me in the back

>>28514459
based and zook pilled

best hot hatch coming though

>>28514449 (OP)
no idea if it's even close to the best but I like it :3

4 me personally, it's a frankenstain, but a nice frankenstain

>>28518582
If I'm ever rich I'll buy one of these and put an AMG V12 biturbo in it

>600hp
>AWD
>Actual hot hatch not shooting brake or station wagon

You can deny it all you want but the Juke-R truly is the pinnacle of hothatches

>>28514449 (OP)
this question was answered 58 year ago...

>>28518651
Even just a regular, sporty version of that, restyled not to look like a rolling dog turd, would have been cool.

>>28515005
>hurr wagons and hatches aren't different just because
Are you usually this huge of a contrarian faggot?
>>28518253
You're just comparing a subcompact to a full size sedan.

>>28518772
Sporty Juke was quite nippy. The red bits tell you not to piss with one.

>>28519445
It's built from the same bits as the Clio RS but you could get it in manual.

>>28519448
Pretty sure everything consumer level comes in manual here.
You must be American or something.

>>28519459
>Revealed at the 2012 Paris Motor Show, the fourth-generation model eliminates manual transmission in favor of a 6-speed EDC dual-clutch transmission (Efficient Double Clutch) developed by Renault Sport engineers. The new model now comes with a 1.6 L (1,618 cc) DIG-T Nissan MR16DDT inline-four engine, which develops 200 hp (147 kW) and 240 N⋅m (177 lb⋅ft) of torque. It is available exclusively as a five-door model for the first time.[

>>28519466
France isn't here.
Enjoy having seven shades of shit taxed out of you if you think about owning an ICE car.

>>28519445
If only the front of it wasn't so buttfucking ugly.

simply lovely

>>28518651
It's a crossover.

Mfw everyone forgot about the Volvo C30.
The R design version had a 2.5 liter I5 with a turbo making 227 hp with the American exclusive limited edition being tuned at 250hp.
Still mad the real Polestar edition concept with 400hp and rwd/awd never went into production because the C30 was dying as the result of an aging interior, being quite heavy for how small it was, being "boring" looks wise and fwd.

>>28520856
>forgot about
I expend exactly zero energy thinking about current millennium volvos

>>28520856
I hate the waterfall console

Never seen one irl (live in europe) but I'm very curious about the amc gremlin

>>28514449 (OP)
GR Yaris & Corolla

>>28515004
Yeah, right.

There is only one option that came with a six speed, limited slip and 263 hp from the factory right off the lot for under 25k little over a decade ago.

Take a wild guess?

>>28515358
Less reliable than a 1.4, supposedly.

>>28521344
3cyl...

>>28521337
they had the brand crossover with levi and had a model with denim interior. my dad had one

>>28521640
And? They aren't long enough to be wagons; they're hatchbacks.

>>28514598
when subaru started becoming shiy

>>28522034
It was a little later than that. The hatch had the same engine, transmission, and drivetrain as the previous gen. Weighs the same and they gave it rear wishbones. People just didn't like the way it looked.

>>28522150
what is this jiggerspeak?
the fat hatchback weighed 100kg more than bug/blob/hawkeyes

>>28522304
Try 20kg. and did I mention it's the same drivetrain, but has wishbones? I had a hawkeye for 6 years, currently 5 years into a narrowbody hatch. They're very similar and the hatch wasn't what killed Subaru, it was other companies getting faster while Subaru got cucked by emissions laws, gave up, and started producing cuckovers because they sell well.

>>28522329
fat ugly toyota vs chad fuji heavy
hawk was the heaviest of the 2nd gens

>>28514960
He's right. Hatches look better in 2 door.
Regret getting mine in a 4 door.

>>28518651
I just search the 218cv Nismo version and they are pretty cheap in my country.

>>28521661
>makes more power than your V8
Ooof

>>28515784
This anon fucks.