satanic

>its another "lets compare midsize to fullsize" thread

and the one on the left does more work in a day than the one in the right will do in a year

>>28515813
is that why fleets use 20 year old tacomas and not brand new silverados?

>>28515812
don't play coy with me lad,even the new ranger is bigger than a 25 year old F150

>>28515816
new ranger only comes with four doors. it is not larger than a four door F150 from 25 years ago.

>>28515807 (OP)
That toyota is a total piece of shit.

>>28515807 (OP)
Don't talk to me or my son ever again

>>28515822
It's larger than my GMT800 3/4 ton lol. Modern "small" trucks make zero fucking sense.

>>28515899
then i'm guessing you have a standard cab and 2 doors. its not larger than a 4 door GMT800, and the ranger only comes with four doors itself.

>>28515899
No it's not.

2004 Silverado 2500
>Length: 237.2 inches
>Weight: 6,000 lbs

2025 Ranger
>Length: 210.6 inches
>Weight: 4,415 lbs

>>28515918
I've got a Suburban so it's a crew cab with a 6' bed. A nu-Ranger or any of the "small" trucks are the same length and width despite having 4 doors and a 5' cuck bed.

>>28515922
I'm 219'' long. That's still close enough. One of the bigger vehicles you can drive is more or less the same size as a modern "small" truck. Keep in mind that's a base model Ranger too. Once you go to a Tremor or a Raptor the difference becomes even smaller.

>>28515934
The Ranger is midsize. The Maverick is a small truck.

2025 Maverick AWD
>Length:199.7 inches
>Weight: 3,731 lbs

>>28515934
>19" longer
>only a 6ft bed vs a 5ft bed
>can't just drop the tailgate for extra feet
>still has a roof limiting height of objects
Why are you even trying to compare your rolling crack den to a new truck?

>>28515948
The Maverick is a crossover with a bed. If the Ranger is midsized where's the small Ranger that's a real truck?

>>28515953
>can't just drop the tailgate for extra feet
I can just not close the hatch. Not like I would ever need to when I can fit 4x8 sheet goods.

>Why are you even trying to compare your rolling crack den to a new truck?
Because this is a thread comparing new cuck trucks to old rolling crack dens? You go ahead and enjoy that $50k cuck truck that does less work than a $5k crack den.

>>28515966
>GMT400 not 800
>Tahoe not suburban
this thread is quite jewish.

>>28515977
You're still not getting the point. The point is this new "small" truck is *more or less* the same size of full sized trucks and SUV's from not that long ago.

>>28515812
This, compare similar classes retards.

>>28515812
Kek they have the same ground clearance but the shart barge is 4 times the size. We're in the bloatmaxx timeline.

>>28515997
>moves the goalpost to ground clearance now
very jewish thread indeed.

>>28516008
Proportions. Figure it out.

>>28515964
>The Maverick is a crossover with a bed.
As it should be. They sell very well. In 2025 very few are going to buy a compact truck as a work truck. They will just buy a F-150, Silverado, RAM 1500.

The Maverick, Ranger et al. are regular personal vehicles. An anon here recently bought a Maverick and was cross shopping with Honda Civics which is about right. The Maverick can tow 4,000 lbs and 1,500 payload which is perfectly reasonable.

>>28516030
You need a new script... I don't know why you think Mavericks are flying off the shelves because they aren't. Maybe compared to the other Ford trucks but those sales figures are in the shitter too.

>>28516031
You needed to preorder the mavericks for years because they would get bought up before they even hit the dealership. All other brands are making their own version because its doing so well.

>>28516031
The Maverick sold 131,142 trucks in 2024. Those are objectively very good sales.
>Maybe compared to the other Ford trucks but those sales figures are in the shitter too
Lol. The Ford F-Series sold 732,100 trucks.

You're such an asshurt little faggot.

>>28516033
"needed". You don't anymore... The Ford dealers here have lots sitting on the lots. Who besides Hyundai has a truck crossover I can buy that isn't vaporware?

>>28516038
>2024
Look up the 2025 numbers. The Maverick barely made the top 25 best sellers list. Don't you got another recall to address?

>>28516050
>In the first half of 2025, the Ford Maverick sold 86,056 units in the United States. This includes a strong second quarter with 48,041 units sold, a 26.3% increase compared to the same period last year
You fucking retard.

>>28516104
The Tacoma sells like shit and that still sold 130k units in 2025 so far. The Ford Escape sells like shit and even that's at 82k units so far. Where exactly is this "huge demand" you speak of?

>>28516130
>The Tacoma sells like shit

>>28516130
Do you enjoy lying to yourself?

>>28515997
Wait until you see how much ground clearance the rocket carrier had

>>28515807 (OP)
Pickups are for fuckups

>>28515982
this point doesn't matter. The big trucks still existed back then, that were the same size as modern f150s.
It's not that cars are getting bigger, it's that people just want bigger cars.

>>28516296
Inb4 shrieking that people don't want bigger, more comfortable cars, they've actually been tricked!! Also whining about CAFE.

>>28515953
>rolling crack den
thx

>>28515807 (OP)
>2025 car with halogen headlights

Only in America

>>28515816
new Ranger was designed for Europe where fullsizes don't exist, so it evolved to basically be a fullsize in all bad name.

>>28515997
most of the front end surface area is the plastic aero skirt to direct air away from the wheels for better fuel economy. take it off and you gain like 4 inches of visual clearance.

>>28516330
>Ree the headlights aren't blue!!
Who cares? I like bulbs being $5-10 and you can see just as well. No one cares if your headlights are fancy ones or not.

>>28516330
halogen lights are superior and im a yuropeon because a a pair of quality H4 bulb costs 3€ vs thousands for an entire new fucking headlight because a little water got inside

>>28516624
>so it evolved to basically be a fullsize in all bad name.
Nah it followed the steps of american pickup turcks to the tee because Ford as well as other truck makers for euro market realized that nobody buys these things for work, they're mid life crisis cars for overweight balding men to larp as rugged and dependable.

for the last half a century a "work truck" in europe has been a cab chassis van with a dropside bed.
They make em small, they make em big, and whatever length you want with whatever payload you want but I always wonder whats the point of a 7.5t Iveco Daily if the licensing requirements for it allow you to drive a real truck

>>28516680
they buy them for work everywhere but europe. european manufacturers can't figure out how to make trucks so they're the only ones who use vans. the rest of the world uses trucks.

>>28516749
>european manufacturers can't figure out how to make trucks
I'm murrican but spent half of my life in Germany. I've worked for both German and Murrican car companies. They absolutely could make pickups it isn't as difficult as making turbo sports cars. You make it sound like it's difficult. It's because vans can haul shit where murricans are scared to put anything in the back for fear of theft. Taxes obviously. And the bigger point is that trucks suck ass to drive and are a bitch to maneuver around a parking lot made for hatches in a village of tight roads designed before automobiles.

>>28516749
The truck is the anti thesis of european vehicle philosophy. europeans don't like vehicles that last. they want things to be needlessly complex as a way to flex who has the most "advanced" car. look at this guy>>28516330 seething at a simple part that's cheap and works. if it doesn't have a $1000 jewel studded nigger bling strip its outdated and therefore icky.

Dependability, durability, and anything rugged = "trying to be manly" for europeans. if its not designed to be disposed of when the slightly newer version comes out its compensating.

>>28516758
it is difficult because a truck actually has to be robust, simple, and durable. europeans are allergic to these things and its actually harder to make something in that vein than a autotragic-only """sports""" car with a ticking time bomb turbo that'll cost you $10,000+tax+tip to service at your (((certified))) german dealer because no one else can work on it.

>>28516771
That's a whole lot of headcanon just to say you bought a truck to feel manly. I don't care if you do, the justification and cope is just hilarious to me.

>>28516771
>>28516771
>europeans don't like vehicles that last
but almost all the highest mileage cars in the world come from europe
the only comparable vehicle america has are trucks
there are multiple examples of 80s mercs driving around with several million km

>>28516749
>so they're the only ones who use vans. the rest of the world uses trucks.
vans are everywhere here in australia, my plumber brother even has one but australia being a carbon copy of america these days means that every tom, dick and jane is being encouraged to drive a truck as a grocery getter

>>28516797
>but almost all the highest mileage cars in the world come from europe
no they don't. there's a handful noteworthy european cars from the 60s and 70s (with rebuilt engines) that have, nothing made within the last 20 years. an american truck reaching a million miles is a dime a dozen. you can easily find american trucks still on american roads from the 80s. they aren't expensive rare classics. i could go down the street and take a picture of some. you can't do that in europe. old european cars by and large have vanished off the roads in europe outside of car shows.

>>28516797
>80s mercs
lol, a modern day american truck can reach "one million km" (which is about 700k miles). that is only noteworthy for a european car.

>>28515807 (OP)
They actually made them much larger in the 1950s, OP.
Be THANKFUL they don't go back to "True" full-size.

Reliable european cars are basically built like american ones. low revving, low HP per Liter, pushrods. all things that european car design philosophy makes fun of. yet, all their most reliable cars copied.

>>28516854
Volvo couldn't survive making cars like this, so they had to change. they ditch their reliable method of building cars (the american way), and went all out on the nu-age of european car design. their brand identity changed from one of industrial to this pseudo luxury hipster aesthetic that they currently do. this made their reliability drop drastically but this is what europeans want. this is what makes volvo money. people would laugh at volvo if they dared make an engine that gets 60 HP per liter in the 21st century. even if its what their most reliable cars were.

>>28516865
I remember when Volvo in Twilight had Edward Cullen driving a C30 lmao.

>>28516892
God I hate that noughties shit filter they put on everything.

>>28516296
>>28516309
Both of these posts can be true at the same time.

>>28516854
>pushrods
Aside for the Soviets, western yuropoors ditched pushrods in the late 60s to 70s.
Their cars were low HP per liter just because the engines were shit for making power most of the time.

>>28516968
>can
A lot of things CAN be true but are not.

>>28516749
kek @ amerishart cope

>>28516854
idk why people pretend that volvo 200 series was somehow a pinnacle of reliability. euro diesels from the 90s, early 2000s before they were gutted by SCRs DPFs and other emissions junk mogged them mercilessly in terms of reliablity while making more power.

>>28516892
>>28516865
You can't deny this is nice as hell

>>28517062
Looks like a car for a woman or a homosexual.

>>28517064
Why are you gatekeeping good taste from straight men?

>>28515807 (OP)
If it doesn't have an ashtray I don't want it.

>>28516797
And almost every single japanese vehicle can run for several hundred thousand miles, where those mercs were babied and rebuilt multiple times

>>28517069
Anon, it's a distinctly feminine car. I don't know what to tell you. Are you also shocked that the beetle is also a woman's car?

>>28516900
That's just Portland

>>28517096
It's a more reliable alternative to picrel

>>28517107
It's more competing with the 335i as the Z4 has only 2 seats. The 335i is significantly faster and more masculine than the C70.

>>28516758
I'm pretty sure the reason vans are more common in Germany than trucks is because 90% of the time it's raining or about to rain. Oh and probably because they go actually crazy speeds on the Autobahn.

>>28516050
>Who besides Hyundai has a truck crossover I can buy that isn't vaporware?
Honda has make one for decades and it sells reasonably well

>>28516892
the c30 is based

>>28517118
I spend my time inside the car rather than having the car inside me. Like the sexual partners I penetrate, I prefer them feminine.

>>28517134
Whatever keeps your cope happy.

>>28517144
cry about me some more homo

>>28515807 (OP)
chicken tax completely killed the lightweight pickup industry

>>28515807 (OP)
I wonder where people will get groceries, now that Food City has shut down.

>>28517169
But I love you.

>>28517172
>this """tax""" everyone dodged is the reason
try again, jew.

>>28516836
>that is only noteworthy for a european car.
because in europe we have a limiting factor, which is rust. Why make a car that can last 1m kms if the chassis is going to have rotted away? It's rare to see cars over 20 years old here with out major structural issues.

>>28517069
if bro hits the gym he could be the next fabio

>>28517128
The Ridgeline is the size of a half ton and it sells like shit. Why do you people think selling 50k or less of a vehicle a year makes the vehicle a raging success?