What are you going to do about the constant car spying? Interior cameras, microphones on 24/7, data uploading to who knows where. Biometrics being built in.

Everyone knows "opting out" means nothing, especially with OnStar still selling your information to insurance companies. How can someone get rid of this junk? Is it down to aftermarket ecus or reflashes?

>>28525351 (OP)
I'd quite like to know too. Got a 2014 Dart, and while Dodge can't into electronics it'd be interesting to are if there are any egregious security problems and how I can remove them.

>>28525351 (OP)
counter lobbying, would be the desirable outcome

>>28525351 (OP)
Just build your own damn car.

>>28525351 (OP)
your fault for driving a rental spec goycart made after 2007

>>28525351 (OP)
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

>>28525351 (OP)
If you are one of those lucky people American people living in a good state that doesnt have periodic safety inspections. You could remove or bypass those features. There are plenty of youtube videos showing on you how to remove OnStar from many cars. My personal solution is to drive, maintain and repair old cars. In this case being a Luddite is the smartest choice to do.

I don't know if we can do anything.
IMO this is the most important topic in the car world today. More important than cafe or ev stuff. It will be so baked into cars soon that you won't be able to "just disable it bro."
Then we have all the plate scanners and plate scanning cameras on intersections even in small cities now so everywhere you go is logged.
They (EU/UK/US/China) want to make cars network with each other and the cities around them and this is one part of the slide down that slope.

>>28525351 (OP)
>What are you going to do about the constant car spying?


not my problem

>>28525351 (OP)
I really wish that there would a global increase on violent crimes involving more knives and guns that doesnt involve cars so governments and police would get better things to worry about causing more focuse on surveillance, safety improvements to other things than cars.

>>28525637
That's what I'm doing, but what happens 10 years from now when things like rubber door seals are impossible to find and haven't been made in 3-4 decades? It's going to be a problem.

>>28525351 (OP)
I really wish that there would be a global increase on violent crimes involving more knives and guns that doesnt involve cars so governments and police would get better things to worry about causing more focuse on surveillance, safety improvements to other things than cars.

>>28525650
Their "justification" for a lot of this surveillance is so they can catch violent criminals more easily - so everyone gets to be surveilled, hooray? Part of what goes into effect next year is a "remote killswitch" on all cars sold in the US, and they can say the tech could stop as mass shooter or something and it's suddenly justified.

>>28525606
Lol.
You really need to look up the new mandates.
>driver impairment monitoring
Can't be disabled or it bricks the car.

>>28525649
mineral oil to keep the seals pliable.

>>28525417
>t.

>>28525637
Yes it is. More and more of the cars on the road have outside cameras which catch footage of your car. It's basically a surveillance network and with Ai being able to process all this data, it can do things like detect speeding. Imagine getting a speeding ticket and the proof is from a Tesla you passed on the road that the driver wasn't even aware of you getting fined.

What happens if you just cut the wires to the camera? Does it brick the whole car?

how do i protect myself from other peoples cars spying on mine

>>28525351 (OP)
Day 2 of owning my new car I disconnected the telematics/GPS unit and the microphone.
It has no cellular radio or onstar like "recovery" bullshit because that's only on the top trim. Pays to go cheap I guess.

>>28525417
Thank god this apathetic boomer mentality is dying with their generation.

>>28525351 (OP)
Find the LTE ECM and unplug it or unplug the antenna from it. Cars in the mid to late 2010's used 3G so they're already not uploading anymore kek.

>>28525775
is it, though? every living generation today happily posts their lives on social media with their real name attached. 'normal' people don't think twice about all the cameras and mics in their car, they are happy for the 'safety' features protecting them.

>>28525760
Teslas work without cameras and internet, you just can't use features that rely on them. Interioir camera might make autopilot not work. Internet will make it so the GPS can't load visual maps. Disabling outside cameras will make it where you can't see the video when backing up or using your turn signal, and also the parking helper won't work.

It's like putting tin foil around your Router to protect you from the liberal cancer rays, and then getting slow internet.

>>28525351 (OP)
>AI slop

>>28525351 (OP)
Who fucking cares? My vehicle could be monitoring every time I fart or my dick gets hard and I wouldn't really give a fuck. You guys know how stupid you sound when you own cell phones and are typing this shit on a computer, right?

>>28525939
I care because I like speeding and taking corners at the traction limit. I live in the country, there aren't other cars around I can have fun safely. You willingly accept being surveilled in a country with a regime change every 4 years... Next time you might be the boogeyman of the day for whatever arbitrary reason and they'll already have proof.
Let people live. There needs to be a balance, you can't just ban every single thing that karens bitch about and end up with a free society people would want to live in.

>>28525417
Yeah I do I like to sit nakey in my car and ya know... Do my "business" so to speak and I don't wanna start getting scam ads for dick enhancers and penis enlargement pills if you catch my drift. Look where I chose to enjoy myself is my business pal and I don't feel like auto manufacturers and ad companies need to know, alright?

>>28525939
>Who fucking cares?
I do.
My 2019 Frontier can't snoop unless I pair a phone with it that also has Nissan Connect installed. Which isn't worth installing because my truck doesn't have any remote connect features. It can't be unlocked or started without keys. Just the way I like it.

>>28525760
It unironically can. I work at a hyundai dealership. We had a guy who bought a new (this was back in 2015) sonata come back saying that his car would just sometimes die on the road. Shop forman took it for a few days and sure enough it would randomly shut off, absolutely nothing working ect. After trying to figure out the cause it turned out that there was a short in the backup camera that crashed the entire CAN network so none of the computers could communicate with each other.

>>28526255
>forman
>ect

>>28525351 (OP)
1960's and 70's cars.
As a huwyte (outrageously indian) man I wish to look presentable and as such it locks me into the 12k+ range, but if you're willing to put up with rust and non-working radios, windows, AC, etc you can get a passable classic for 4k plus 500 in parts and a few days' labor

>>28526528
***also put up with bad paint, that's part of the 4k range

It amazes my that online pirates will spend their days toiling away trying to crack Barbie's Dream House Adventures but no one does this with cars so people can finally have some privacy. Why is that, /o/?

>>28525357
>2014 Dart
Isn't the telemetry dead now that 3G is a thing of the past?

>>28525351 (OP)
drive a 99 corolla until the sun turns into a red giant

>>28525351 (OP)
Just buy an old Suzuki or Honda shitbox. Hell Suzuki is cheap enough to not include it in new cars.

>>28525939
Apple is unironically OK for privacy if you look into them, but you can also use GrapheneOS or another privacy focused ROM for Android. As for a computer, (laughs in Linux). So no, having your privacy raped is a choice.

>>28525650
>Implying the government actually gives a shit about actual crimes
It's called anarcho-tyranny m8.

>>28525417
t. palantir

>>28525417
>He's fine with a bunch of jews and feds watching his every move
You are a spiritual peasant.

>>28526538
yes, my 2018 subaru also relied on 3G for its spyware, now it can't report in

>>28525351 (OP)
car industry has to die one way or another, just like gaming industry. Only retards, boomers and zoomers are getting new cars, therefore, not my problem

>>28525351 (OP)
The easiest and most secure solution would be to just remove the camera and microphone from the car. They're in the panel on the windshield that the rear view mirror is mounted to. Just use a heat gun to pluck it off and then snip out the camera and mic. Should take 30 minutes.

>>28525615
I live in a city where cops aren't allowed to chase motorcycles and I ride a small 250cc bike with no plate. It's still registered and insured but I don't pay any tolls and don't wait at lights. This is the way to go for most people.

>>28527503
It's mandatory federally starting in a few months. If you remove or disable it it will phone home that you did so and they will remotely disable the vehicle or report you to insurance and authorities. If you remove the SIM card they'll soon make it so the car goes into limp home mode then disables.

>>28525351 (OP)
>Is it down to aftermarket ecus or reflashes?
if insurance cant find your dat anywhere, theyll just defualt to higher rates, lmao

my20y.o prius' tiny infotainment screen stopped recording milage on odometer and stopped beeping at me, fkn awesome

It's a slippery slope. They add on surveillance and take away fun things little by little. "This is barely acceptable" or "well for now I can disable it" is just letting yourself get stepped on.
It slowly changes until everyone who remembers no cameras, no scanners, and no SIMs is old and the younger generation thinks surveillance is just how life is and dismiss the older generations as out of touch fuddie-duddies. They will have no understanding of life before the internet or how fucked the situation is.

>>28525351 (OP)
Buy an older car. Buy a motorcycle.
Yes, you *could* try and modify a modern one to undo all that shit but given the complexity of the CAN B and CAN C buses running it you're better off purchasing something built before that stuff was added.

And then getting political on it.
Like here >>28525368

>>28525368
There really needs to be a car enthusiasts' lobbying group. I'm surprised there isn't one.

>>28525368
There is no peaceful solution to this level of corruption.

>>28527585
There is, SEMA. They barely do anything now though.

>>28525656
It has nothing to do with general violent crime. It has to do with public awareness of zionism as a civilizational threat reaching a certain level.

The system can't/won't reform itself (because then it wouldn't be this system anymore) so it is going the enhanced police state direction.

>>28527652
I am that anon, and yeah, that's the full version of my point but I didn't want to say it. They use "stopping crime" as a front when it's really about surveilling people until they become subservient, and Karens eat that shit up.

>>28525650
>>28525656
Flock routes through Amazon servers and is in like 75% of municipalities at this point.
The time to stop this was 2003 but retards huffed the Bush administration's taint and let it go

>>28525351 (OP)
>unplug telemetry module
Wowww that was hard

>>28528415
>PIRACY DETECTED!
>PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE

>>28528415
>PIRACY DETECTED!
>PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE

>>28528434
This is why Tesla is the superior brand. You can cut off all internet to a Tesla and it will still work.

>>28525351 (OP)
What do you mean? My car doesn't even have an OBD socket.

>>28525704
My car doesn't have that.

>>28529330
Shill faggot.

>>28525760
Yes. Toyota made it so if you try to bypass their DCM telemetry module it fucks up the stereo, hands-free mic, and head unit. Just "trust" that when you ask them to turn it off, that they do... People eventually came up with a wiring harness solution for it, but still... you get the future you deserve, and all you lot apparently deserve a real bad end... gg, no re...

>>28529428
Enjoy being a slave to your always online DRM.

>>28529330
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>28529540
Take a shower, stinky.

>>28529499
As of right now not every car has it or it can be disabled, not just Tesla. But starting with the '26 model year it's federally mandated and soon no company will allow you to circumvent this, they will engineer a way. That's what the thread is mostly about.

>>28526538
Im sure theres still 3g infrastructure floating around for legacy purposes.

>>28529549
Link to the legislature on this? Or an article? Haven't heard of this but holy shit thay sounds orwellian if true.

>>28529545
I'm not stinky
Like a linky
You are brown
Also a twink-y
Teslas are gay, jewish, and dinky
Your dick is smaller than my pinky

>>28526566
>drive a 99 corolla until the sun turns into a red giant
The traffic cameras and your phone betrayed your sense of security.

>>28529605
Imagine all the effort you spent on writing that instead of showering and applying deodorant. I guess when you spend all your time scam calling and demanding the elderly not to redeem, your priorities get warped.

>>28529571
I've seen the actual bill from '21 or '22, I'll see if I can find it in my history. They mandated impaired driver monitoring and remote killswitches, the industry went with "AI cameras" instead of breathalyzers and SIM cards are required to make it work.
If you search for "car killswitch 2026" you should find results about some representatives fighting against it.

>>28529631
Nothing's happened or is happening. You must've gotten your source from Daily Mail or Brietbart that they were going to be installing shit in 2026.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/01/05/2023-27665/advanced-impaired-driving-prevention-technology

>>28529618
You're the jeet here, you literally drive an EV. I'd also like you to know that whenever your cousins try to scam call me I verbally abuse them over the phone.

>>28529797
Only indians drive gas cars. They can't shit in the air so they have to use internal combustion engines to compensate.

Not my problem.

>>28525351 (OP)
Bro we went through this whole thing with phones like 15 years ago. There's literally nothing of value a car maker could get from recording your conversations or taking secret videos of you. Because there's nothing of value, there's no profit to be made from it, so there's no incentive to do it. On phones they just listen for keywords to serve you advertisements, there's a direct source of income there. But even then they're not wasting their time uploading and storing billions of hours of pointless phone conversations. Have you ever listened to a black person on speakerphone in some public place? Why would Google want access to that? Your car doesn't even have ads in yet so there's even less of a reason to do it. It uses the camera for self driving/driver attentiveness stuff, it uses the microphone for voice commands, it's not "spying" on you. What is Volkswagen going to do with 50 million hours a day of people's blank faces starting straight ahead in traffic? I mean do you know how much money it would cost to upload and store that much data? 45 million hours every single day?

>>28529818
Patently untrue. You'd notice if you could look over the steering wheel, ranjesh.

>>28529860
>Red Ford Probe
How are the skin grafts treating you?

>>28525760
remove camera, reconnect the canbus wires to complete the loop. it's always two sets of twisted pair wires, canlow/canhigh match the colors together. The car might bitch about the camera being gone but the canbus network will still be happy.

>>28529330
>You can cut off all internet to a Tesla and it will still work.
who's going to explain to him that even if there was a theoretical "internet off" button, that isn't going to stop remote access at a level above the retard in front of the glossy dashboard screen
>>28529887
except that now we have the possibility for an ai to detect naughty objects, words or gestures through a camera, then flagging it, to cut the size and cost of saving the data down almost 100%. people aren't understanding the scope for ai to process huge loads of data yet

>>28529440
What if you simply remove the lens and chip of the camera itself? Or just cover it

>>28529948
>who's going to explain to him that even if there was a theoretical "internet off" button, that isn't going to stop remote access at a level above the retard in front of the glossy dashboard screen
Yellowstone National Park has basically zero internet and the Tesla worked perfectly fine when I drove through it all day.

>>28530244
We shouldn't even be in a situation where that is some kind of achievement. Also it's not federally mandated yet.
Just because you're fine with how it is now doesn't mean the world isn't changing.
My car doesn't have a SIM card or cameras at all, do I get a cookie?

>>28530253
>that's not an achievement
Then why is it being brought up?

>>28529948
You're still not thinking about the endgame. Okay, they make a car with AI that can automatically detect keywords or "gestures" and only uploads that select footage, minimizing data usage, storage space, and man-hours.
Great.
But why? No company is going to do anything that doesn't profit them in some way. What are they getting out of it? How are they monetizing that video? What good is it to them?

>>28525974
>some poor glowie has to see me beating my meat in my car every time I do it (5 times a day)
Brb, buying a brand new spymobile so he has to watch in 4k.

>>28525397
Based

>>28527536
Source?
>inb4 my ass

>>28530717
>But why? No company is going to do anything that doesn't profit them in some way.
Corpos, banks, and the government aren't joined at the hip. If it serves the interest of the state, big businesses will invariably get in line (and vice versa). Look at how every bank/corporation etc was draped in pride flags a year ago but it's been toned down this year (and the same companies' middle eastern branches never did so). There's also the issue of Blackrock/ESG scores/etc. If you're not familiar with them, then Blackrock would judge how "progressive" a company is and their rating would impact their access to loans. Government said install spycams in 2026, so they're installing spycams.

>What are they getting out of it?
>How are they monetizing that video?
>What good is it to them?
There are multiple ways that private companies can profit from telemetry.
>Insurance/liability
I believe there have been a few warranties voided due to cars recording speeding/rough handling/etc. Oh? Your eyes went off the road for half a second before your accident? Claim denied.
>Targeted ads
Oh? You're drinking Monster? Your child in the backseat is using a particular type of phone? Now the (((advertisers))) know what ads to play while you're sitting in traffic.

Regardless of profit motives there's principle. I don't like being spied on. The idea that whenever I drive there's a camera looking at me, sending data to either the government jews and corpo jews enrages me. I cover my webcam and I have a tech savvy friend go through my electronics whenever I buy them. It's absolutely ridiculous that people aren't up in arms about this. It's a gross violation of privacy. I'm not under investigation, I shouldn't be tracked.

>reach into the fender well
>remove headlight canbus cable
>acess ECU
>tell it to unlock doors and that you are the "keys"
>drive off with car
It's that easy now.

>>28530745
>I believe there have been a few warranties voided due to cars recording speeding/rough handling/etc
Oh well as long as you "believe" it then that's fine. Nevermind that that has nothing to do with cameras or microphones and the telemaric recorders have been in pretty much every car for 20 years.
>Targeted ads
When cars get ads then we'll have a problem. They don't, so we don't. Plus it's a great example of the market regulating itself. Someone will try it and it'll fail and they'll stop and no one else will do it. Look at BMWs heated seat subscription. How many other makers followed suit on that?
>I don't like being spied on.
Then it's a good thing you're not, huh

>>28529887
Hey retard, the problem isn't necessarily that they are actively spying on us right now but that they COULD if they so choose. The technology is already there in every new car. It's been there in every phone. What makes you think that capability will never be utilized by these companies or government entities, or people in power to nefarious ends? What makes you think as technology improves it won't just keep getting worse? Or that their ability to violate our privacy and spy on us won't just get easier and easier? Do you really think it's so difficult that they'll just never even try? People have already accepted the hard part - allowing this technology to be put in place. Now that its there you really think they just won't use it? This isn't even to mention obvious examples where egregious violations of people's privacy have already happened with exactly this tech. Like Rumbas photographing the insides of people's homes without their knowledge or teslas taking pictures of their owners in embarrassing situations that the tesla employees share with each other and laugh at. And that is the relatively innocent side of all of this. It will only get more totalitarian as this stuff becomes more accepted and the technology improves.

We are all living in a real world literal panopticon made up of digital technology and you are shrugging it off saying "What's the big deal? You don't actually KNOW that they're watching." Which ironically is part of the power of the panopticon.

>>28525351 (OP)
Keeping my 1982, 1998, and 2000 model year cars forever.

>>28525656
lmao are they fr?even if tey pass it can criminals not just drive cars that were made before that?

>>28530864
I've been saying mean things about Israel since they bombed Iran on Facebook and Instagram and one day I found my credit score went down by 40 points. Coincidence?

>>28530864
If they want to spy on you, they will. And there won't be anything you can do to prevent it. They have microbots that can fly and you would never even know they were there. And the government can build and control them independently, they won't need to waste time and money making messy easily-exposable contacts with Korean car manufacturers. But they're not spying on you because they don't care. You're meaningless, useless, pointless, insignificant, inconsequential, just like me and 99.999% of the planet.

>>28531329
This is exactly the attitude of "step on me harder." You are the problem.
They are trying to make surveillance and data collection mandatory for everyone, and it's done automatically by software. They don't have to target anyone anymore. Who is to say that the next regime doesn't demonize or criminalize who you are or what you do and say? Your life's history will be one SQL search away.

>>28531329
>If they want to spy on you they will. And there isn't anything you can do about it so just stop caring
>They also have technology beyond your comprehension that makes this spying easy
>Also you're worthless and not worth spying on so just submit!

Slave mentality. It's not about how important you are. It's not about having anything to hide. Like that other anon said it's about principle. It's about dignity. We all ought to hold individual rights and personal autonomy as sacrosanct. It's honestly tragic if your posts reflects your actual thoughts on this. Too many people in this world are willing to exchange their freedom and privacy for a cage as long it's comfy, stylish, and Bluetooth capable. But hey, have fun eating bugs in your pod 5 years from now.

>>28531171
>Credit score

Spotted the American.

>>28531637
That's used internationally dude