Thread 28534484

>got off work early
>Friday
>hop in my miata
>decide to go for a cruise on the interstate
>blip the throttle a little bit
>element takes that a a challenge
>drops a gear and takes the fuck off
>do the same and follow
>hit a hill
>element doesnt slow down at all and flys up a 30% grade hill and dissappeasr over the crest
I thought they were slow

>>28534484 (OP)
Slap a turbo one it.
I know guys with 350rwhp NB Miatas.
They move.

>Getting a stock miata for drag racing
No one does this.

Uh yeah the miata has less power than a literbike. Of course they're slow as fuck. Got the impression when I tried my friends 1996 one day back in 2018. Really did not understand the appeal, it felt like driving the car version of a honda rebel 250. Literally too slow to be fun, at least for me. I know there's about to be a pile of ad hominem arguments coming my way but at the end of the day power to weight ratio is the single most important statistic in motorsport. They're not bad cars outright though, good on you for driving something with personality.

>>28534781
The appeal is that you can toss it into corners and you can take them even faster with the throttle down unlike most cars . And you can redline every gear for decades and the fucker won't die, you have to rev over 4k to get any acceleration.
If you have an LSD one it'll kick the rear out any time you want it, even starting from a stop hard enough the rear will slide a little left or right.
t. Had '95 for 11 years. Power to weight and weight balance are just bullshit filler words for jounalists.

The element is just a fat civic with awd the default intake setup actually kneecaps the engine. no surprise one of those things shat on you.

>>28534484 (OP)
The point is that you feel like youre doing 100 while going 60, no shit it's slow. I still wouldn't take any other car over it.

>>28534484 (OP)
its small, light, and WEAK.
yes, WEAK.
in the context of cars you drive in the real world, and not in a track, that is a GOOD thing.

if you own a BMW, you can NEVER really drive it hard. EVER.
step on the throttle for a couple seconds, you're breaking the speed limit.
keep stepping on it for a couple more, you're probably gonna die. unless you're on a highway, in which case you're looking at your license being taken away plus maybe some jail time.

in a miata, you can actually drive that thing HARD. you can launch it, rev out 1st/2nd to the limiter, and you're still not breaking the law. or, if you are, its not by a lot, you're still within the realm of just getting a ticket.
in the twisties? yea you can put your foot down hard after every turn, and keep it down for a while, and you'll still have time to break for the next turn. in a BMW, you're going off the road if you try that shit.
so yea, its fun because unlike "real" sports cars, you can actually drive it hard.
also its actually affordable, unlike a BMW.

>>28534810
I think the take away here is a fucking Element gapped anon. A compact Crossover that is at minimum 10 years old and it did the shit on a hill.

>>28534821
On a straight too, presumably. Meaningless achievement.

>>28534821
its small, light, and WEAK.
yes, WEAK.
in the context of cars you drive in the real world, and not in a track, that is a GOOD thing.

if you own a gayhonda element, you can NEVER really drive it hard. EVER.
step on the throttle for a couple seconds, you're breaking the speed limit.
keep stepping on it for a couple more, you're probably gonna die. unless you're on a highway, in which case you're looking at your license being taken away plus maybe some jail time.

in a miata, you can actually drive that thing HARD. you can launch it, rev out 1st/2nd to the limiter, and you're still not breaking the law. or, if you are, its not by a lot, you're still within the realm of just getting a ticket.
in the twisties? yea you can put your foot down hard after every turn, and keep it down for a while, and you'll still have time to break for the next turn. in a gayhonda element, you're going off the road if you try that shit.
so yea, its fun because unlike "real" sports cars, you can actually drive it hard.
also its actually affordable, unlike a gayhonda element.

>>28534767
it is stock bro pic rel is actually an aerokit it unlocks full mx5 eunos miata roadster potential bro, ez peez

>>28534840
no power tunes just 4 drag tires extra grip unlocks full potential speed extra max power hidden inside hood bonnet

>drag racing a Miata

You deserve the sage

>>28534826
Let's be honest here: It probably would have won elsewhere too. Those things only weigh like 3000 pounds loaded, there's a K24 driving it and the stock airbox unironically takes up 1/4th of the engine bay, you can cram some much shit in there if you rip it out and go to a cold air. Your best bet to beat that thing is hoping it rolls over.

>>28534844
bump

>>28534845
Continuing this.
Elements and the 1st+2nd gen Crvs have the real estate to do some pretty stupid sleeper because they have that K24 in a relatively cavernous engine bay. Just looking at the element owners club site the two most common mods are a 6th gear mod on the tranny and forced induction. I see turbos and super chargers on here.

>>28534845
Kek elements are SLOW as FUCK

>>28534868
the Element SC being naturally aspirated is one of the biggest automotive tragedies of our time

>>28534827
This is such a retarded theory.
No one has ever modified their car to be slower, EVER
If your theory were true, people would downsize their engines just so they could go slower without "breaking the law"
Every single person wants to go faster. Faster is better

>>28534764
>350rwhp NB Miatas
Not with stock internals they aren't, or not for very long or on pump gas.

>>28534827
That's some good copium anon, who's your supplier?

>>28534827
>also its actually affordable
retard, show me any miata that isn't a gutted shell/rust box that's cheaper than an old ass element.

>>28534903
anyone who has installed wheels and tires with an overall larger diameter has objectively made their car accelerate slower

>>28534903
>Every single person wants to go faster. Faster is better
Meanwhile 99% of people drive exactly the same no matter what they're in.

>>28534911
Yeah because they're going for "aesthetics," i didnt literally mean acceleration is the only thing people care about.
My point is, if you're saying a slower car is inherently more fun because you're not breaking the law, it means you'd take the exact same car but with 300hp instead of 500hp, just because it's slower.
Absolutely no one on the planet thinks like this.
>>28534912
There's a reason why premium/luxury cars have bigger engines and are faster.
People pay more for more power. No one pays to go slower so they can "rev out the car at the speed limit"

>>28534918
>No one pays to go slower so they can "rev out the car at the speed limit"
I do.

>>28534918
>if you're saying a slower car is inherently more fun because you're not breaking the law, it means you'd take the exact same car but with 300hp instead of 500hp, just because it's slower.
I think like this. I am genuinely considering buying a V6 manual 5th gen camaro because 314hp is plenty for a daily driver I can toss around when nobody's looking. The V8 would cost more to buy, cost more to maintain and fuel, and get to illegal speeds faster which means less time being able to floor it. I have driven 5th gens in all combinations (V6 manual, V6 auto, V8 manual, V8 auto) and while I won't deny the V8 sounds much better, it's harder to have fun in on the street.

>>28534484 (OP)
You must have an NA or NB. NC and up could easily take an Element.

>>28534932
Really just NA6, NA8 and NB1/NB2 don't have problems keeping up with modern traffic.

>>28534918
I'd take 300hp and 8000rpm over 500hp and 7000rpm.

>>28534932
This is faster than my 70s era car…

But, my 70s car is comfortable and can hold dead hookers in the trunk.

>driving v6 chally
>drive too fast, drive too slow, accelerate hard, accelerate soft, let it scream, make it grumble
>do literally anything
>someone takes it personally and proceeds to overtake me at 3x the limit to prove something
>mfw

>>28535007
they prolly think its a v8, not some pos

>>28535028
normies don't even know what a v8 is
they see a lowered sports car and go
>oh shit that guy fucks
and then they wanna fuck
but i am not a ho

>>28535034
holy cope

>>28534892
There are plenty of turbo and super charger kits for the K-series though.

>>28535011
BLACK
POWERRRRRRRR
now i can say the n word :)
your move nigga

>>28534484 (OP)
Bread on hood

>>28534786
80 to 95 is like a 20% increase

>>28534904
i know ls swaps are done to death but still...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-UJLYGIZg

>>28535204
Sorry to ruin your gay little black panther party bmaooo0o0o0

>OP can't into powerband
Many such cases

>>28535247
Yo mama gay that why you adopted.

>>28534789
>describes the benefits of focusing on power/weight
>then calls it a filler word
What did he mean by this?

>>28534840
But then it will be slower in the turns because heavier and not as balanced and you will lose the na feel.

>>28535258
what the fuck is that evil witchery on my screen

>>28535204
nigger

I don't get the point of the miata, there's a dozen hot hatches out there that are just as fun to drive, some are even faster, and they have the benefit of being much more practical, not gay, and not overpriced as fuck.

>>28535385
When you prioritize things like compactness, lightness, naturally aspirated engine and proper sports car geometry, plus practicality, there’s truly nothing quite like it. The original Lotus Elan comes close, but realistically, it’s not a feasible option to own. I'm quite interested in seeing if I can drive an Elan one of these days, as I've heard they are even more of a joy to drive.

>>28534904
I never said that the rotating assembly in the engine was stock.
They're running a forged rods Pistons and crank.

If you're the fag by Elco hill.
It's got a cold air intake and the transmission mod but otherwise stock. Learn to powerband.

>>28535385
You need to test drive a Miata at the twisty roads or race track to find out. Straight roads, highways are the most boring roads with Miata.

>>28535771
i test drove a Miata RF on twisty mountain roads and it sucked. boring, too small and uncomfortable (and I am 5'7 sub-130lb manlet), slow

i returned that car (rental) and switched into a Camaro V6, way more enjoyable

recently tried to brainwash myself into liking the GayR86 that everyone cooms about online. tested 3 of them. SUCKED.

fuck the internet's fetish for slow gay cars. i have tried them and realize i only want low-IQ power cars. give me big engina and vroom vroom

At least op didn't fly into a rant about how cars with VTEC are considered naturally asperated

>>28534786
>lighter flywheel for smoother response
huh