Thread 28542049

Are there LED sealed beam replacements that still maintain the regular sealed beam look AND have a warm color temperature similar to regular sealed beams?

I've seen LED replacements that looked like regular bulbs when off, but they were like $200 and also had a cold white light output.

Should I just go with halogens and be done with it?

>>28542049 (OP)
>cold white light output
use colder bulbs.

>>28542050
>use colder LEDs to get a warmer light output
dude, are you retarded?

>>28542051
1/10, made me reply.

>>28542057
Well, now I'm sure you're trolling, but for anyone who may read this, know that the physical temperature of an LED doesn't have anything to do with the color temperature of its light output, because LEDs do not emit light when they get hot like regular light bulb filaments do.

>>28542049 (OP)
I just put four of these on my Crown Victoria earlier this year, they take H4 bulbs, the light is significantly if you get some proper sylvanias instead of the cheap bolts they come with, they look just as good as the sealed beams, however they certainly take a lot of power, I swapped to a 3G alternator and even then if I'm at idle with the high beams on it dips below 12 volts.
Apparently posting an Amazon link counts as spam, so you'll have to search "Parts N Go 4x6 Rectangular Plain Conversion Headlights Halogen H4 Bulb Set - H4656, H4651" on your own.

Now, these have some sort of odd blue bulbs in the bottom, according to the listing they are "city lights", I just wired them into the factory low beam connectors or something, because my side lights are hooked into the factory high beam plugs.
Oh, right, I combined these housings with a wiring harness that uses relays and one of the original low beam sockets to turn on all four low beams at once, and then all four high beams at once. So that helps a lot.
I will say, two of the housings didn't exactly fit right because apparently the corners of the seal beams are very slightly different between the low beams and the high beams, so I really had to crank down the metal plate that holds the light bulb in to get it to point the right direction, but it ended up working out just fine in the end.

>>28542078
I should note that I'm autistic and I went to all this effort because I specifically require glass diffusers on my headlights, I want them to have those weird ripples on the front, it just doesn't look right without them. Some cars can rock the cheap sealed beam LED replacements, but some of them just don't look right without those glass light diffusers.
Also, I like the lights so much that I've been trying to resist the urge to buy a whole nother set because turns out, my old Chevy van takes the exact same four headlights that the Crown Victoria does. They're just arranged vertically instead of horizontally on that one.
One of the reasons I haven't done it is because running that Summit Racing wiring harness would be a thousand times harder on the van than it was on the car :(

Oh yeah, and about the corners of the housings? Well, the listing says-
>Bulb Set - H4656, H4651
-but what you actually get are four identical housings. Four housings that fit perfectly in the low beam slots, but not so well in the high beam slots. I made it work though.

>>28542049 (OP)
>Should I just go with halogens and be done with it?
They're better for your eyes, so you should.

>>28542062
>he posted a color temp chart, surely he meant the physical temperature of the bulb
get a hobby nigger.

>>28542078
nice a fellow panther owner, I posted the thread because I just got a Grand Marquis and the headlights are pretty dim. Still on the stock alternator and a 3G swap is in the future soon though.

>Parts N Go 4x6 Rectangular Plain Conversion Headlights Halogen H4 Bulb Set
what's the benefit of these over halogen sealed beams (which I can find on rockauto)? Is it mostly just that you can replace the individual bulbs?

>>28542081
> I want them to have those weird ripples on the front, it just doesn't look right without them.
I agree, the fluted glass looks the best. curious if these conversion headlights would work with one of those LED h4 bulbs.

Why LED? Although I kind of hate LEDs, if I could find some that maintain the original look of the car, have an acceptable beam pattern, and have a warm color output, then I'd use that so I could have brighter lights with less load on the alternator. But I'm not sure if any of the LED h4 bulbs are any good anyway.

>>28542062
no shit sherlock, we can nevertheless equate a temperature color to an LED light setting

>>28542190
I know that, I was only saying that because the other guy told me to "use colder bulbs" in response to a question about finding bulbs with a warmer light output. This could only be interpreted as supreme retardation, a troll, or some misguided confusion about lower temperature bulbs producing a "warmer" light spectrum.

So once again--where can one get good quality LED headlight bulbs in a warm color closer to 3000k?

So far my research has turned up the Philips Ultinon Classic bulbs which could potentially work in the retrofit assemblies another anon posted above.

>>28542049 (OP)
I have philips racingvision halogens and I don't understand why you would ever want brighter.
They're clean white too.

>>28542049 (OP)
There are, but why would you want this?
There is no space for cooling them and I can't imagine them lasting a long time.
Halogens can run at 9000 degrees so nobody ever bothered.
>holly retrobright
What I would do is just get the H4 "sealed" beams and run the 130W hella bulbs in them.
You could also get the morimoto HID H4 ones, yes they work in reflectors just fine.

>>28542189
>I just got a Grand Marquis
Hell yeah! You're probably going to want the relay wiring kit from Summit Racing that I used, supposedly the reason the headlights are so dim on older Panthers is because all the power runs through the headlight switch or something.
>But I'm not sure if any of the LED h4 bulbs are any good
Me neither, and due to the way the H4 bulbs mount in these sealed beams, I don't think it would be possible to get LEDs in there anyway. I got the purple sylvanias, and they are plenty white and bright enough for me.
If you think about it this way, most cars with H4 bulbs would only have two, with those housings and the wiring harness, we can use four of them at once, which ends up being just as good as those expensive ass LEDs.
It requires some sort of wiring harness though, because stock, the wiring has two three wire sockets and two two wire sockets, if you're doing four h4 bulbs, you need four three wire sockets.
I also had to pull the pins on the wiring harness I got and swap two wires to make it work properly, not sure what that was about because Summit Racing advertised it as an adapter from sealed beam to H4 and supposedly seal beams and h4s have the same pinout, but either way it works great now.

>>28542371
I don't think it's possible to fit H4 LED bulbs in these housings anyway, they hold the bulb inside using a metal clamp that presses on the back of the light bulb, which wouldn't work on LEDs because that's where they have a big heatsink.
Sorry for the bad image, I don't have pictures of it, just videos.

>>28542591
Not all LEDs have a giant heatsink. Thats entirely dependent on their rated output.
There are direct replacement H4 style LEDs for those housings.
>t. Done LED upgrades on multiple vintage vehicles i own

>>28542282
I don't want LEDs for the brightness, I want them for the same brightness and lower wattage.

>>28542589
I heard about the wiring relay thing, what should I look for on summit racing? I might even just do that and stick with the stock headlights until they go out if the wiring helps with the brightness.

>>28542909
Maybe? You probably don't want this exact harness if you're keeping the sealed beams though, because this one gives you four identical plugs rather than the two low beam plugs and the two high beam plugs that it has by default.
Also, I suspect that most sealed beams are just an H4 bulb embedded in a glass shell...

>>28542685
>entirely depends on their output
Headlights get stupid hot due to being enclosed and if your LEDs aren't sinked you're an idiot. They all need to be heatsinked. Your fucking 6 watt home light bulbs are heatsinked.

But then I'm in a god damn headlight thread and you faggot cocksuckers are putting ultrabluewhite high outputs in your cars so I'm just surrounded by idiots to begin with.

>>28542945
So what exactly makes a sealed beam unit high/low? And how does replacing all 4 units with H4 standard bulbs not mess everything up?

>>28542962
I'm not sure which pin is which, but high and low beam sealed beams have three pins just like an H4 bulb, but high beam only sealed beams are just two pins.
So from the factory, you have two lights that come on for low beams, and when you flip on the high beams, those two lights switch to high beams, but then there's two more lights that come on as well.
That's what my wiring harness helped me change, now I have four low beams and four high beams, and each light is an H4 with three pins.

>>28542909
You're gonna have to put the same wattage into the leds if you don't want problems.

>>28542957
>if your LEDs aren't sinked you're an idiot
If you're running 20,000 lumen retina burners sure.
My flashlight doesnt melt and its brighter than any car headlights that are pre-2000's.

>>28542199
you're retarded.

>>28543278
Explain why.

>>28543222
How come? Will the thermal flashers for the turn signals stop working?

>>28543277
Know what you're talking about instead of acting like it.

Got humidity under my lens on the passenger side. Is there anything I can do? Or should I just switch to LEDs and get like OP?

>>28543278
am i missing something? OP wanted a warmer colour temp led and you (or the first anon that replied) told him to get a colder colour temp, which is the polar opposite.

>>28543281
the diodes don't make heat to warm up the lens and melt ice so if you live in an area where shit freezes over you may have problems with ice on the headlights

>>28542591
I have these in my H4s, wire clamp and all.
>you can also buy these chinesium specials, same exact LEDs, >>28542591
for 4x the price from HR
>they have good pattern but don't last very long, I get a year or two out of them
I think I will move on to HID next, in a warmer light color because car looks gay with these bluish LEDs.

>>28543627
>may have problems
Meh, they will typically be around 30-40W compared to 55W for halogens.
Fuck-all difference.

>>28543625
Yes that's why I'm confused, I just figured he was trying to bait me lol

>>28543618
Am I misunderstanding you? Why not just swap out the bulb for a new sealed beam?

>>28543640
I thought LEDs would be a lot lower, like 15W for the same light output. If it's as close as you say then there's not much point switching to LEDs IMHO.

>>28543640
if they're 30W that's close to half, i wouldn't say that's insignificant.
OP you could also look at holley retrobrights. not cheap though.

>>28543629
I like my white sylvanias however maybe someday I'll get some of those LEDs to lessen the load on the alternator

>>28543658
>holley retrobrights
Those are certainly the top tier, just means they come with a top tier price though

>>28543747
>>28543658
>Holley Retrobrights
>comes in a 3000K temperature variety
that's actually pretty good. Wouldn't pay $150 per headlight for my sub $1k shitbox, but maybe when it's fully restored it'd be a nice touch

>>28543747
>>28543792
for my car i just settled for some cheap auto store h4 conversion housings (glass lenses surprisingly enough) and some selective yellow bulbs. ive always liked that comfy yellow.

>>28542049 (OP)
Sealed beams for your specific vehicle with your specific color temperature requirement will be hard to find, but you can just get LED bulbs and put them inside your existing housing. I know the traditional wisdom says you can't legally do that, but modern LED bulbs are really good at emulating the exact shape of the incandescent bulbs and keeping the same beam pattern. So you can just do it and won't get in trouble.

>>28543806
Basically what I did but I got white ones, I hoped they would match up with the LEDs I mounted to the front fenders so I can see around corners but the LEDs are pretty obviously a completely different shade of white, lol
>>28543814
You won't get in trouble but you will disappoint your parents

>>28543409
So there's a 10% shift in light output for an LED over its lifespan for cooled vs uncooled? On something that has 10x the lifespan of a halogen?!
Who
Gives
A
Fuck.

>>28543821
Speaking of, I wired those LEDs into the original high beam plugs, so they come on with the high beams since I didn't want to flashbang everyone who passes me

i put ugly led conversion 6x4s in my shit just cause I can't see at night

>>28543822
Holy fuck you're dumb.

Go ask chatgpt how temperature affects LEDs and if a car headlight needs to be heatsinked. That's how stupid you are, I'm telling you to use the retard machine.

>>28544614
Dude you literally posted a graph of LED output degradation over time for vented vs non-vented.
Now youre talking shit when someone points out what YOUR graph says?
What a fucking tool.
I doubt you even have a car.
Go back to /n/, faggot.

>>28544920
Use. The. Retard. Machine.
Retard.

>>28542049 (OP)
The humble sealed beam is the pinnacle of headlight technology, and we have strayed from Gods grace by abandoning it. Repent ye sinners and embrace the warm holy glow our Lord bestowed upon us before it is too late!