Second kid on the way and need options for ideal family haulers with a $50k budget. It's getting harder and harder to keep driving the family around in my corolla and my wife's sentra, which, shockingly, hasn't completely fallen apart yet. We have family in different states so anticipate traveling more.
>looking for something reliable, safe, comfortable
Considering a used Lexus GX460. Seemingly the only downsides are fuel economy and a shitty 3rd row, though we will likely have 2 kids max so the 3rd row isn't a concern. They seem to hold their value and depreciate less than other vehicles, which would be a benefit if I ever needed to trade it in. Shit, the new horrible GX rework may even mean the older gens appreciate in value.
What would you choose?

>>28542893 (OP)
I bought a minivan after my second kid. They offer the most front seat leg room when there's a car seat behind you in the second row. If you're a manlet this might not matter to you.

>>28542910
Objectively a van is not a bad choice, though it does seem like a cuckmobile. What did you go with?

Kia Carnival has all you need, at a price you can afford.

>>28543046
3rd gen Town & County for $4k. I generally stay away from Chrysler, but this gen's engine has a timing chain and is known for reliability. In 2006, this was the nicest minivan you could buy. It's optioned out. You're probably looking for something newer though. The only other minivan that uses a timing chain is 2007+ sienna, but they go for 2x as much, and lack many of the features the Chrysler has.

>>28542893 (OP)
Why does having more kids mean you need a lifted vehicle? Retarded.

>I need a school bus for 2 kids and a dog
Bruh an accord could handle it just fine

>>28543218
>>28543236
Europeans are so stupid it's unbelievable

>>28542893 (OP)
>$50k
>two kids
>reliable, safe, comfortable
Toyota Sienna AWD. GX460 does the following a hell of a lot better than the Sienna:
>not a minivan
>4x4
>it's a lexus
That's about it. You have other personal wants that has led you to the Lexus than getting a hybrid minivan.

>>28543130
These days it's the Chrysler Pacifica. If I see a fleet of black Pacifica Hybrids heading to the capital city, I know it's full of illegals that are about to be deported, not always to their country of origin.

Feds sure do love their black minivans. Literally no one notices them even when they run in convoys.

>>28543432
Kia Carnival is WAY nicer and newer than the Sienna. Sienna you only get a rough shitty slow 2.5 4 banger - Kia you get a v6
Kia has way better ADAS, much nicer interior, bigger screens, comfier seats, etc.

>>28543437
The Kia Carnival is very popular overseas, especially in Australia. The only gripe I have with the Carnival is that they won't put AWD on it even though the Telluride (that's on the same large car platform) has AWD.

Toyota literally cannot sell enough Siennas because of its fuel economy. It's about twice that of conventional minivans and companies want them as fleet vehicles, families want them because it's an excellent long-term car, and it attracts vanlifers because Toyota hybrids are very good camping cars, plus they can be optioned with inverters.

>>28542893 (OP)
milf's drool over men with quadcab pickups.
minivans are for women/gays

>>28543442
>won't put AWD
well your options are
a) get a sorento or telluride
b) get better tires

>because of its fuel economy.
I see more Canivals than Siennas.

>>28543452
I like AWD donuts, simple as. I also just like minivans, simple as. The Sienna meets those requirements when no others do.

>>28543437
>Kia Carnival
Nobody wants that unreliable gook shit. Anytime I see someone in a Kia i assume they have poor credit.

>>28543610
It's very reliable actually.

>>28542893 (OP)
Look no further than a kia telluride. Its the default choice for a growing family for a reason
Plenty of space and a 3.8l v6 instead of some 4pooper
If you need EVEN BIGGER get a kia carnival
>>28543130
If you have kids you want something safe though, not a rusted 3 decade old shitbox you got from a junkyard for $4k

I'm confused why you need a 3 row SUV for 2 kids?
I understand the upgrade from a corolla to an SUV/crossover but why do you need 3 rows?

>>28542893 (OP)
Modern SUV's don't give you a lot of bang for your buck. If you only have two kids you're much better off with a half ton or larger crew cab pickup. You can get them new and decently equipped for $50k. Statistically they're one of the safest vehicles you can drive and they have pretty ridiculous resale values. Their fuel economy is going to be on par or better than that Lexus. Also ignore anybody suggesting a minivan. They're extremely overrated and expensive which is why they don't sell.

>>28543846
2 row SUV's and crossovers usually have fuck-all for cargo room. Most 3 row SUV's/crossovers with the third row folded down offer much more cargo room which matters when you have big ass strollers to haul.

>>28543097
Hang yourself, Kia shill.

>>28542893 (OP)
Minivan, 100%. Even large SUVs feel cramped in comparison to a good old van. Sienna for mpg, Odyssey for the most features, and Pacifica/Town&Country for the most comfortable. Your kids will love having some actual space to themselves, and most have separate AC and screens for the rear seats.

>>28542893 (OP)
Thirding (fourthing? Fifthing?) the recommendation to just buy a minivan, man. They're not the big family chariot of choice for nothing. Even when you're not hauling kids, they're huge so there's lots of room for groceries and boxes and stuff.

Redditvans are gay as hell. dont buy one of those and pollute the roads with their hideous presence please.

>>28543898
>They're not the big family chariot of choice for nothing.
Except they aren't. The vast majority of families with 3+ kids buy SUVs. Minivans sell poorly.

get a minivan you fag. sliding doors are god's gift to parents and minivans are designed for eating up road trip miles. remove or fold the 3rd row and you won't regret it

>>28543917
>eating up road trip miles
cool. so rent one when you go on a road trip and stop buying those abominations for personal use.

>>28543924
So what do you suggest instead? If it's an SUV you're just proposing a taller, uglier minivan with less space

>>28543218
>>28543236
Why be so snarky for? You clearly haven't had kids and have zero standing in this discussion.

Putting a child in a baby seat is unergonomic at best. The smaller the car, the more difficult. The lower the car, the more difficult. Babies scream and cry as you do it.

Modern cars, despite growing in size, don't necessarily have larger doors/access, mostly due to safety specifications. My rav4 rear doors are pretty small.

When you cart a baby around, you need a pram and a mini hospital bag and are doing nappy changes in there. You need space for this. Once again, it's a stressful scenario and you want all the convenience that you can get. We sold our veloster for a rav4, and the rav4 is only just big enough for a rear facing baby seat, and doing groceries and storing a pram at the same time

Pram =stroller

>>28543917
Main reason I am not considering a mini van is that unironically SUV with bigger tyres and lifted body suit the "first worlds" rapidly degenerating road system. We're too busy paying for illegal immigrants sex reassignment to fill pot holes.
You're right that sliding doors are awesome

>>28544111
You don't like cars, we get it

>>28544026
Escalade ESV Platinum.

Mazda 5. A fuel efficient non-hybrid compact Minivan. Third row is shit for adults but so are most mid size Suvs anyways. These even had a manual as an option if you fancy but good luck finding them. I also heard the driving feel is good too
>I don’t want Minivans
Honda Pilot/Acura MDX are pretty good. I think they’re one of the larger “midsized” SUV and I was able to sit ok in the third row back as a 6ft guy. Won’t guzzle gas a much

>>28543611
>kia reliable
no
get a better job you lying shill.

>>28544026
>uglier minivan
anon, minivans are the ugliest cars
i dont like seeing them on the roads, it just hurts my eyes, even more than the average cuckover

>>28544248
>Mazda 5
It has a really weak 157 HP 4 cylinder and the MPG of 23 is not impressive.

>>28544158
You don't have kids, we get it
>>28544248
Absolutely fucking hideous

Man, my dad raised a family of 5 with just a sedan, and his dad did the same. I dunno why nowadays people immediately need 7 seats and enough cargo space to carry their entire house with them the second they have one child.

>>28544417
I'd check out a GMC Acadia Denali or Buick Enclave. As well as the Volvo XC90 and Genesis GV80. They're all very nice.

>>28543912
>>28544408
this. fuck minivans
OP get a miata and throw your kids in the truck (boot)

>>28544433
>my family was poor and gay
Ok?

>>28544440
>4 cylinder
Yuck. They were cool when they had the v6.
Kia telluride and dodge durango are much better choices
Even the grand cherokee L.

>>28544248
At that point you might as well buy a Combo D, a Peugot Partner or go all in and get the Toyota highace with the 3rd seat row.
>But that is hard to find used with 50k miles on it
And why do you think that is anon? Just fuckung splurge.
The bonus is that there is no fucking Tesla in sight in that market, and the eVITO is a fucking piece of shit, meaning its going to hold well in price.

>>28544456
The 4 cylinder has 328 hp. It'll do nicely, unless you're regularly towing. Then I'd get a V6 or really a V8.

>>28544417
>>28544447
KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT WHY ARE YOU EVEN POSTING ON THIS BOARD???? GO BACK TO FUCKING FACEBOOK IF YOU WANNA TALK OVERSIZED GOYCARTS AND KILL YOUR KIDS IT'LL SPARE THE NEAREST ORPHANAGE THE HASSLE.

>>28544705
Kids are more likely to die in a little lightweight shitbox sedan than a big SUV, you know nothing incel faggot.

>>28543046
SUVs are cuckmobiles. Vans are unapologetically practical.

>>28544715
Literally everyone else thinks the exact opposite. Minivans have nearly died off specifically because they're seen as cuckboxes for people who've given up.

>>28544721
We don't give a fuck what marketing-fed NPCs think you subhuman. SUV were pushed because they're more profitable for manufacturers.
>>28544710
You spelled the exact opposite of the truth, you subhuman.

>>28544725
Cope, seethe, etc.

>>28542893 (OP)
dodge ram 3500 cummins

>>28544730
>skewed statistics on large average with mixed scenarii
Of course fatality rates are lowers when SUVgoyim like you manage to crash even at low speeds. Go compare the safety ratings on individual models you faggot.

>>28543236
good luck accelerating with 4 people in the car lmao

>>28544732
>reeee nooo not facts and reality nooo
Lol. I hope you get t-boned by Stacey in her Yukon XL Denali in your tin can shitbox and get to experience objective physics.

>>28542893 (OP)
>Second kid on the way
you need more than one?

>>28544737
??? 2 is the bare minimum for replacement.

>>28542893 (OP)
a SUV is fine if you have one kid, if you have a second on the way I'd recommend an H1 Hummer

>>28544746
>a SUV
kek seething europoor go back to shoving 7 people into a mirage

>>28544416
>It has a really weak 157 HP 4 cylinder and the MPG of 23 is not impressive.
Also, weighs significantly less than all other regular sized mini vans by like 1000lbs+, they’re also dirt cheap too. 23 mpg is not eye opening by any means but it’s better than a V8 SUV or a non hybrid minivan which is why I brought it up. OP had concerns on mpg with the Lexus. Don’t need a lot of horsepower for a small people hauler
>>28544482
Sorry, I’m a burger. Maybe OP is one too, lexus is far more popular in the US than Europe. Those sound like good options if they were available here

>>28544735
I only drive after midnight you fucking faggot, it's not happening. Remember my words when your cunt inevitably divorces you and I hope your kids'll get raped by their new stepfather. While you get kidnapped and stripped of your organs in a basement you living waste of oxygen.

>>28544752
>I only drive after midnight
What an incel loser LMAO

>>28544752
lmao nigga be living in gremlins ahh

>>28544754
>NPC faggot calling me incel for not having two goblinos out of a blown-out muttoid past her prime
Fuck off already your answers are getting stale.
>>28544755
No traffic jams and I love meself an empty road.

>>28544759
You're an incel because you haven't even flirted with a girl in the last year lol. Forever alone.

>>28544771
Broke up a few months ago, and I'm dating another girl since last week. Your projection is pathetic, especially when it's to defend your Karen of a wife and the SUV she's decided to get. I think you've been humiliated enough for a day, just shut up and never post on /o/ again.

>>28544827
It ain't my thread, kiddo. You gotta stop being such an angry impotent retard lmao.

>>28544733
just how fucking unimaginably fat are you

>>28544440
>GMC Acadia
I wonder why I don't see these anymore. Oh right, they're pieces of shit, just like the nu-Volvo or the $65,000 Hyundai.

>>28544882
Nah. They're all nice.

>>28544158
Brother, I have a top of the line rav4 awd hybrid, a modified evo 8, and a modern sports touring motorbike. I know my shit

My goal is to reclaim this board for car enthusiasts, and to reduce input from snarky bench racers. You're nearly as bad as Arabs on car Facebook groups

>>28544417
Based

>>28544710
This. I wanted more metal around my baby. Especially as the quality of driving gets "browner" everywhere

>>28542893 (OP)
>ideal family haulers

Toyota Sienna hybrid AWD.

>>28545226
kia carnival is way nicer

>>28545226
Those are like $60k. At that point you're getting into Suburban territory. Minivans are not great vehicles for the prices they're going for.

>>28545229
>kia carnival is way nicer
And that's important when you're eternally keeping it at the mechanics or having it picked up on the side of the road.

>>28545307
I've put like 12,000 mi on my Kia in ~ 4 months and it's been fine except a loose differential coupler that I think was that way when I bought it used and I just didn't notice because it was kinda mild (hesitancy in tight turns when steering) and I just assumed it was part of having a FWD car lol

dropped it off wed, picked it up the following tues - not lightning fast, but ok
hopefully nothing else goes wrong
but you keep ignoring that the kia has better features/interior with this monomania about reliability

>>28545311
>I've put like 12,000 mi on my Kia
Whats the total miles on it?

>>28545368
60k

>>28544248
>Mazda 5.
Not enough minivan. This is what the Mazda 3 should've been.

>>28544705
>OVERSIZED GOYCARTS
Youre the one shilling minivans. Kys

>>28545372
>60k
I assume this is just somebody mocking kias, if you're still there the question stands.

>>28545414
what?

>hybrid
>standard AWD
>best looking vehicle on the road right now
If you don’t get this for your family you shouldn’t be spreading your genes

>>28545456

>>28545447
>what?
>>28545372
>60k
>>28545311
>loose differential coupler
I assume you meant something else as you also mentioned fwd. I assume you mean steering coupler. Either way, it's only got 60k on it. Tearing out your steering column with only 60k on the odometer? Nice.

>>28545372
>Over halfway to the inevitable engine kaboom
Lol

>>28542893 (OP)
RAV4 Hybrid and save the leftover money. Thank me later.

>>28545199
>reclaim this board for car enthusiasts
Based anon, keep fighting the good fight

>>28545735
Thanks bro. Discussion is great, and I like coming to the basket weaving forum to find out about stuff I don't know and have a chit chat

SUV and family cars are a totally valid topic as more people need one than a sports car

I'm very empathetic how hard/expensive it is to get into a car these days

Not every thread needs to be about lap times of exotic sports cars

Would be nice to see more diy and road trips posted on the board

>>28543046
Vans are the ultimate sign that you've given up on life. Vans are for loners and losers

>>28545756
what if it has a v8 in it

>>28544715
>>28544725
this can be proven false by simply going outside.
I see a minivan like three times a week. I see an actual SUV (not a crossover) every 30 seconds.
SUVs offer safety, capability, storage and seating.
I minivan offers almost the same shit but is trash in fucked up weather, and looks like a vehicle made specifically for gay men.

>>28545492
fwd based AWD

differential coupler

>>28544111
>Babies scream and cry as you do it.
Lol. Mine don't. Enjoy hell with your unparented "children."

>>28542893 (OP)
03 Honda Odyssey and 12 Toyota Prius V seem farely common, probably a little small tho.
>>28544433
idk mang, the only vehicles I've seen at full occupancy lately are Toyota estima vans owned by cult members.

>>28543446
>>28543857
Why do fat people automatically assume everyone wants to drive pickup trucks just like them? Newsflash, fatties: trucks have abhorrent driving dynamics and not everyone aspires to look like a retarded tradie with 6 grades of education.

>>28545910
16 people is the maximum you can have as passengers on a regular licence in my country.
Three row SUVs are just cope.

>>28542893 (OP)
NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEE

buy a turd gen camaro you bitch nigger

>>28545756
This is exactly wrong. As >>28544715
said, the van says "I need this thing for x purpose and it's the best tool for that job."
Any unibody and/or transverse "SUV" says you've given up _and_ are dumb enough to pay extra money to keep up with the Joneses.
>>28542893 (OP)
I've got two kids and a full size crew cab. If for some reason you don't want a (mini)van, it works really well, would recommend. Reliable, comfy, easy to get car seats and strollers and toddlers in and out of. Crew cab pickup is the sedan of modern America. We're trying for a third and don't plan to replace the truck any time soon (but the wife's escape might get traded in on a suburban, we'll see.) Pick your brand, so long as it has a V8 or glow plugs it's probably a solid choice. Except nu Ford with the wet belt in the 5.0, if you want a new Ford step up to the super duty with the 7.3 or powersmoke (then you can get an 8' bed too.)

>two (2) kids
>I *need* a minivan dude

>>28543130
Holy shit these things
Mexican coworker has one (200k and beat to shit)
Did all the maintainence himself since 2006
Checked the never-changed tranny fluid and it looks brand new

>>28542893 (OP)
>2 kids max so the 3rd row isn't a concern
cr-v hybrid, awd optional if you want to fall for the meme

>>28543610
>Anytime I see someone in a Kia i assume they have poor credit

I am convinced, legitimately that Kia dealerships target people who arrived in the USA less than 5 years ago.

>>28544433
Pure marketing. Companies get to sell more people more vehicle.

>>28545199
>Reclaim the board for car enthusiasts by making threads about oversized npc grocery getters

>>28547996
If Anon wants to fit
>Wife and Kids
>Two Strollers
>Groceries or luggage
In the car all at once, he needs something kind of big. Strollers are fucking enormous these days, and you're not fitting all that shit in the trunk of a midsize sedan, sadly. A wagon would work but they more or less no longer exist in North America.

I'll never understand this retardation.
>I have le two kids I NEED a huge vehicle!!
My dumbass sister went and financed an escalade after having ONE kid. Sedans seat 5 if you're not obese.

>>28544879
American families easily exceed half a ton in total weight, that's why they all buy huge pickups that can haul 30k pounds. One American wife alone will get very close to that weight limit.

>>28548289
>sister went and financed an escalade after having ONE kid
Good for her. That kid is now very well protected.

>>28548295
it ends up being the same because everyone else is driving a huge SUV or pickup anyways. faggot.

>>28548298
Nope.

1. Two largest SUVs crashing into each other is safer for the occupants than two small lightweight cars crashing into each other.

2. Not all accidents involve another car. You could strike a tree. Safer in the large SUV.

3. If all other drivers are in fact driving large SUVs and trucks, then it behooves you to drive one as well. As I assure you your little shitbox tin can will lose against a 6,000 lb Escalade, badly.

>>28548295
If it was actually about safety you'd be taking driving courses and not letting women drive.

>>28548325
I'd support outlawing women driving. But as is, that isn't the case. Imagine how little traffic there would be.

Dude why would you buy a new car?
If anything just get a Honda CRV off-lease and save your money.