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Anonymous No.28544585 >>28544630 >>28544634 >>28544638 >>28544672 >>28544676 >>28544691 >>28544692 >>28544842 >>28545486 >>28545719 >>28545737 >>28545755 >>28545802 >>28545818 >>28545841 >>28546032 >>28546071 >>28546246 >>28546502 >>28547161 >>28547175 >>28547381 >>28547524 >>28547738 >>28547749 >>28547840 >>28548000 >>28548008 >>28548123 >>28548792 >>28549212 >>28549214 >>28549490 >>28549492 >>28550637 >>28551332 >>28551344 >>28551718 >>28552546 >>28552740 >>28553413 >>28553459 >>28554728 >>28554735 >>28554817 >>28555436 >>28555463 >>28558343 >>28561083 >>28561374 >>28562312 >>28563602 >>28564234 >>28564982 >>28565014 >>28565261
>$2.7B loss

how do you fix Stellantis?
Anonymous No.28544593 >>28546093 >>28552941
make chrysler independent again.
Anonymous No.28544630 >>28544641 >>28545787
>>28544585 (OP)
Easy, sell off the shitty brands and keep the quality ones
Anonymous No.28544633 >>28544667 >>28547215 >>28548434
all those makes are fucked, you will see a world without chrysler, jeep, and dodge.
Anonymous No.28544634 >>28565265
>>28544585 (OP)
Why they have 2 french brands, just keep one.
Anonymous No.28544638
>>28544585 (OP)
Kill the French
Anonymous No.28544641 >>28550506
>>28544630
Wish granted - every stellantis brand is sold off and they have nothing left
Anonymous No.28544667 >>28544683
>>28544633
Jeep is too iconic to be let go and RAM prints too much money. Stellantis will die, but some chinese brand will just buy Chrysler to get access to get and ram.
Anonymous No.28544672
>>28544585 (OP)
Basically just take everything that isn't dodge ran and jeep out. Everything is makes litterally no money, and the last CEO siphoned funds to keep those other brands alive.
Anonymous No.28544676 >>28544685
>>28544585 (OP)
Stop everything having to do with EVs
Anonymous No.28544683
>>28544667
>Stellantis will die
Stellantis is just PSA.
They won't die. Worst case scenario, they kill the retarded brands and only keep Peugeot and Citroen.
Anonymous No.28544685 >>28545973 >>28546077 >>28554675
>>28544676
Renault is going full EV and are doing pretty well for a non-VAG european brand.
Anonymous No.28544691
>>28544585 (OP)
Why would I fix the shittiest car company currently in existence?
Anonymous No.28544692 >>28546201
>>28544585 (OP)
Let chryslers's grandson buy it and fix it. We'll have all the good cars back within 5 years.
Anonymous No.28544693 >>28546189
Roll DS into Chrysler
Shuffle the Jeep lineup around other brands, keeping the Grand Cherokee and the Wrangler - let dealers lean into base Wrangler customization instead of trim bloat as a profit driver
Kill Citroen
Let lancia die
Pitch selling Alfa and maserati to Ferrari, Pagani, or another nonchinese entity - hell, even Embraer could probably manage them better
Spin RAM back into Dodge
Anonymous No.28544696
half the "brands" sell zero or one car.
Opel and Vauxhall exist solely to collect money from GM for pensions.
Anonymous No.28544700
Imagine having 15 car brands and only 0.5 are good.
Anonymous No.28544722 >>28544934
change chrysler to plymouth and ram to eagle and rebadge a bunch of shitty french cars to that
Anonymous No.28544835 >>28552722
Jeep Grand Cherokee is still a good car.
Anonymous No.28544842 >>28546215 >>28554679
>>28544585 (OP)
Break it up into:
-A low-end company consisting of Opel, Fiat, and Chrysler
-A mid-end company consisting of Lancia, Jeep, Peugeot and Citroen
-And a high-end company consisting of Maserati, Alfa Romeo and DS.

All these new groups must be independent from each other. It's the only way Stellantis can be fixed.
Anonymous No.28544934
>>28544722
>and ram to eagle
Are you fucking stupid?
Anonymous No.28544943 >>28544954 >>28544961 >>28544965 >>28554827
I will never for the love of my life figure out what on earth were they thinking while spinning of DS from Citroen.
>hon hon mon pierre we have ze brand of l'automobile that doesn't sell and what should we do
>make another one hon hon

Nevermind how godawfully ugly modern Citroens are.
Anonymous No.28544954
>>28544943
>legacy carmakers
>thinking
u srs?
Anonymous No.28544961 >>28544973
>>28544943
>premium luxury brand
>of a citroen

biggest automotive bruh
Anonymous No.28544965 >>28544977
>>28544943
>I will never for the love of my life figure out what on earth were they thinking while spinning of DS from Citroen.
Easy, it's literally every modern direction commitee's train of thought:
>alright we own Citroen, let's see if there's something resembling brand power in Citroen's history
>let's find some kind of thing that's fondly remember so we can plunder its name and stick it to some new product to get a headstart on marketing
>hmmm the DS is remembered as a revolutionary high-end sedan?
>Okay let's launch a high-end sub-brand named DS
Voilà.
Hotwing No.28544971 >>28545683
>enjoyed for 75k miles and sold before anything broke
Dodged a bullet but it was fun
Anonymous No.28544973 >>28544981 >>28545002 >>28546065
>>28544961
The Citroen C6 was a much better can than its German contemporaries tbdesu
Anonymous No.28544977 >>28546065 >>28555715
>>28544965
>sub-brand named DS
I recall that DS in french is a homophone to the french word for goddess but again it's an inside joke that only francophones will understand.
Anonymous No.28544981
>>28544973
abysmal engine selection where the only good choice was a 2 litre turbodiesel lmoa
Anonymous No.28545002
>>28544973
OH NONONONONONONONONONONONO.....
frogbros.................
snail eater sisters.............
not like this!
Anonymous No.28545486 >>28547563
>>28544585 (OP)
>how do you fix Stellantis?
They're addicted to cost-cutting as a short term means of revenue generation. A lot of the customer retention issue is due to the precipitous drop in quality of their cars.

That's the first point that has to be fixed. Margins have to get slim and the cars have to get better. It'll take decades to earn back the trust of any interested customers.
Anonymous No.28545683
>>28544971
What engine and transmission did you have? I've heard the 2.0 alfa engine is actually pretty good and the transmission with it is ZF. My rule of thumb for dodge /chrysler is if neither the engine nor transmission are actually made by dodge/chrysler you'll probably be fine, aside from the shitty electronics/rust/paint
Anonymous No.28545719
>>28544585 (OP)
All of these brands are huge red flags what the fuck
Anonymous No.28545737
>>28544585 (OP)
There's only 3, maaaybe 4 brands even worth a shit here. Just take any useful patents and technologies from the others, then dissolve or sell them off.
Anonymous No.28545755 >>28546065
>>28544585 (OP)
You fix it by ignoring the retarded EU emissions and regulation.
They got jew cocks jammed so far down their throats they don't even care if they sell cars or not.
Should that ever change (unlikely), you'll see the return of more appealing cars, better engines, and lower prices.

Until then, enjoy the 1.2 3 cilinders Puretech lmfao.
Anonymous No.28545787 >>28546082
>>28544630
>Easy, sell off the shitty brands and keep the quality ones
Lancia and Abarth?
Anonymous No.28545798
nuke the EV-tard CEO
Anonymous No.28545802 >>28547510
>>28544585 (OP)
>kill off every single european manufacturer starting with each of their employees
>invest all your saved income into Dodge and RAM
>spend the next 20 years slamming a 6.4 hemi into every single kind of vehicle imaginable
>enjoy record breaking profits and saving the car industry.
Anonymous No.28545818 >>28546215
>>28544585 (OP)
Don't have 10 different engines that do the same thing
Anonymous No.28545841 >>28545851
>>28544585 (OP)
Shouldn’t have abandon hydrogen technology
Anonymous No.28545851
>>28545841
lol nobody believes in that shit. It's just a cope Toyota uses because their EVs are so bad.
Anonymous No.28545973
>>28544685
I see a ton of Renaults and almost none of them are EV.
Anonymous No.28546018
My sister has a 150 HP Opel Adam, it's fun as fuck. I would buy one too if it wasn't so girly.
Anonymous No.28546032
>>28544585 (OP)
give citreon and peugeot back to france, and make them great again
merge all american assets into one company, call it big dipper, make it its own entity
idgaf about the rest
Anonymous No.28546065 >>28546085 >>28546154 >>28546333
>>28544973
Non let's not tell lies. The C6 was cool and it's a genuine good surprise to spot one that's still driven, but goddamn it wasn't a good car. Rushed to market with tons of problems, Peugeot/Citroen dealerships and mechanics weren't trained to work on them, parts were expensive as hell.
>>28544977
Yes you're thinking of "déesse".
>>28545755
Emissions aren't the problem, safety faggotry is. Tiny engines like the ancient 2CVs engines don't pollute that much by virtue of being tiny, and tons of legendary cars had tiny engines. But we can't have small, light and beautiful cars because Stacy HAS to survive driving into a wall at 200km/h, and companies MUST make sure Randeep and Oleg survive crashing into each other on the Nurb' like retards.
Anonymous No.28546071
>>28544585 (OP)
Let it die, let capitalism do its thing. It's the time of nihon, Korean and chink cars. Germ too, to some extent. Let Stellantis the bottom of the barrel die.
Anonymous No.28546077 >>28546334
>>28544685
Renault Nissan is the niggers of cars.
Anonymous No.28546082 >>28546092 >>28555114
>>28545787
Lol no. What was the last good lancia or abarth?
Anonymous No.28546085 >>28546472
>>28546065
Randeep and Oleg catching strays for stupid jewish europeen laws. Reject europeenism embrace Suzuki.
Anonymous No.28546092
>>28546082
>Abarth
They have been making the same car for the last 10 years
>Lancia
Around a decade before most of /o/ was born
Anonymous No.28546093 >>28547085
>>28544593
>make chrysler independent again.
Bruh, they were fucking up every time they went on their own for the last 30 years. They were never survive by themselves.
Anonymous No.28546115
Bring all development out of Europe, abandon the regulatory environment that is trying to make you fail
Anonymous No.28546130 >>28546186
sell the european brands.
Anonymous No.28546154 >>28546472
>>28546065
cars can still be small and safe
its the obeses and eldery making the cars massive
Anonymous No.28546186 >>28546191
>>28546130
To whom?
Anonymous No.28546189 >>28546216 >>28546263
>>28544693
>let dealers lean into base Wrangler customization instead of trim bloat as a profit driver
It just isn't profitable as a dealer or manufacturer to use customization as a profit driver. They'd have to anticipate the market for the vehicle, then anticipate the market for EVERY accessory hoping some chinese manufacturer doesn't make the same part for cheaper. Every time an OEM acts as its own aftermarket it always fails.
Anonymous No.28546191
>>28546186
Italian ones to Ferrari, vauxhall and opel back to GM.
Anonymous No.28546201 >>28546212
>>28544692
Literally who?

Every brand in Stellantis is failing because of 10 years of mismanagement. And because its an investment firm that owns it all they want profit today; they're not going to accept "we must spend another $5B per brand making new vehicles over the next 5 years and we may not turn a profit for another 10 years". No money-grubber will accept that as the actual remedy for MULTIPLE failing auto brands. It may be more beneficial to identify what each brand does incorrectly or has negative consumer sentiment instead of "what wild idea can we think of to save the megacorp of retards?".
Anonymous No.28546212 >>28546263 >>28552558 >>28554518
>>28546201
In fact, i'm gonna just do it for the US brands.
>Alfa
Pulled out of the US market for being expensive and breaking frequenly. Quality needs to be improved for the price. They're sometimes pretty cars, but Italians have never made quality machines, just pretty ones.
>Chrysler
1 minivan that had its last refresh in like 2010. They invented that product and one of the few still making minivans. Refresh it because these are actually decent vehicles. Just work on Quality. Pentastar is good, electrical is crap, and stop finding ways to cheap out on parts causing them to break.
>Dodge
Tarnished brand image because the only known Dodges of are driven by those who aren't relegated to Nissans yet: its lunchtime rowdies and mexicans thinking a Hellcat will find a quality woman. Their EV rebrand was horrific and every other car in the lineup is rebadged junk. Quality is the issue and having any recent models in their lineup. That and every car they have is about 5-10k overpriced for their segments.
>fiat
pulled out of the US market for similar reasons: they were unreliable pieces of junk prone to breaking and being horrid shitboxes despite their very low pricetag. 500's were EVERYWHERE and now nowhere because they're cheap pieces of junk.
>Jeep
Riding their own coat tails of having the only vehicle that looks like this and was almost a dedicated and capable off-roader. Bronco bucked this trend by making something look just as retro-cool as the jeep, but aren't dominating because $80k Bronco lmao. Jeep of course being ran by morons saw those $80k Broncos and decided $80k jeeps were a great idea and now that 0% financing is gone aren't selling as many. Quality is also a concern.
>Mazerati
I see 2 drivers of this car; white trophy wives with nothing better to do but want a flashy car. They're low quality junk with an extra high price tag.
>Ram
Makes trucks big profit, but quality is a concern. Engines grenading before 100k miles shouldn't be a thing past 1999.
Anonymous No.28546215
>>28544842
Imagine that, reverting to good/better/best sales models. Why can't carmakers comprehend this shit instead of 75% overlap between their products making buying confusing.

>>28545818
They almost have to now due to tarriffs and trade agreements. But realistically I agree with you, when you have that many separate brands, why aren't you sharing more parts between cars that share nearly identical parts? V6's are V6's. Turbo 4's are turbo 4's. have someone make it better (quality), durable, and in a nearly universal form factor so you can drop it in multiple vehicles to save on manufacturing costs. Hell, you could make the same engine on 2 continents!
Anonymous No.28546216 >>28546228
>>28546189
Not if you can add it to the finance cucks.
Just 10 more a month!
Anonymous No.28546228
>>28546216
Oh yeah, why didn't the dealerships and finance arms to think of financing accessories they already finance?
Anonymous No.28546243
Opel is by far the best brand that was always owned by some international garbage can. Corsa D is probably the newest indestructible car.
Anonymous No.28546246 >>28546512
>>28544585 (OP)
>Kill
Chrysler
Lancia
DS
>Sell
Alfa Romeo
Maserati

Consolidate and optimize your businesses. Increase your quality. Stay true to your brand identities. People don't want an electric dodge.
Anonymous No.28546263 >>28546525
>>28546189
The dealers sort that out, the OEM just offers parts to the dealers. Maybe add a customization page for Wrangler so people can preview what something would look like installed

>>28546212
Literally all you talk about is quality and there's some truth in it (also some untruth), but how would you recommend OEMs show that they have improved reliability on a timeline that actually makes any difference at all? Even the Korean 10 year warranty is made fun of by people joking that it's good for 3 engines
Anonymous No.28546333 >>28546475
>>28546065
>Emissions aren't the problem, safety faggotry is
Beauty is subjective. A care that dismembers pedestrians on contact isn't necessarily beautiful.
The reality is that people are too poor to buy fancy cars, which in turn makes fancy cars not profitable, which increases their prices, which makes them unafordable for Randeep and Oleg.
Anonymous No.28546334
>>28546077
It's the only EU brand that isn't dying or isn't complete shit (like VAG).
Anonymous No.28546472
>>28546085
I was referring to that video of a 911 and some BMW crashing into fireball on the Nürburgring and still surviving.
>>28546154
I agree that fatfucks and the senile play a large role, but that safety is always heavy.
Anonymous No.28546475
>>28546333
>Beauty is subjective. A care that dismembers pedestrians on contact isn't necessarily beautiful.
I was thinking of driver safety. Things like reinforced A-pillars etc.
>The reality is that people are too poor to buy fancy cars, which in turn makes fancy cars not profitable, which increases their prices, which makes them unafordable for Randeep and Oleg.
Yeah fair point. Cars should've never become transportation appliances.
Anonymous No.28546499
>go full EVtard
>feel the pain
>???
>loss
Anonymous No.28546502 >>28546507
>>28544585 (OP)
They ignored macro-economics principles even a 1st year college kid would know and abide: no competition thus no incentive to innovate or offer affordable prices. Essentially they cannibalized themselves, same things happening to VW.
Anonymous No.28546506
all companies that built timing belts in oil deserve to go bankrupt
Anonymous No.28546507
>>28546502
>They ignored macro-economics principles even a 1st year college kid would know and abide: no competition thus no incentive to innovate or offer affordable prices.
>muh firm theory
Shut the fuck up you fucking retard. Go preach your goyspel somewhere else.
Anonymous No.28546512 >>28547069
>>28546246
They just sold IVECO to Tata, that brand had the potential to fuel military orders for trucks and parts for decades. Do you think they understand brand value? No they don't they are overwhelmingly greedy especially the Elkann family, they don't know shit about business or working, all they know is how to spend their old money on coke and trannies.
Anonymous No.28546525
>>28546263
>The dealers sort that out, the OEM just offers parts to the dealers.
You can't really force dealerships to buy on lease plan untold quantities of aftermarket bullshit. Every time an automaker has tried to make a highly customizable vehicle with OEM quality parts, its always ended in failure mostly because your average car buyer does NOT want to sit through endless catalogs of bullshit picking out what they want, hoping its in stock, and waiting for the dealer to install it after doing hours of financebullshit and the general car buying process. Yes, I realize there are some pickup truck, jeep, and sports car buyers that head straight for an aftermarket shop to put $20-50,000 of shit on a brand new car. They are such an incredibly tiny minority of consumers, they're basically irrelevant for carmakers. And when there is such a massive aftermarket for lift kits, jeep junk, fart can exhausts, roll bars, LED strips, no car manufacturer could possibly keep up with that level of inventory or market analysis.
>Literally all you talk about is quality
Because CDJR (now stellantis) has always been known to be overpriced unreliable junk. What is the dispute here? Kia and Hyundai used to make dreadful cars that were cheap junk, and because they were cheap junk nobody got mad when something minor broke on it. They vastly improved everything as evidenced by their rise in popularity and market share. The 10 year 100k mile warranty was introduced at a time when other automakers were doing like 20-50k warranties that were expected to be declined for warranty work. The Koreans actually backed their warranty and to do so profitably had to improve quality.
They have to make such a robust warranty that even if something does break after 9 years and 99,999 miles, they should happily fix it. There is no overnight or next-quarter fix for reliability other than reducing bullshit from the factory. Stop paying JDP for dumbass awards like "best initial quality" that means nothing.
Anonymous No.28547069
>>28546512
>Selling your military cashcow
what in the fuck were they thinking
Anonymous No.28547085 >>28547501
>>28546093
the only fuck up was partnering with mercedes. they were the most profitable car company in the world in the 90s. your click bait headline doesn't really mean anything.

Porsche's profits are "down" 90 something fucking percent. guess that means they're spiraling into bankruptcy.
Anonymous No.28547161
>>28544585 (OP)
Chargers and challengers are money printers. Just bring back the last gen with the hemi. That is literally all.
Anonymous No.28547175
>>28544585 (OP)
>how do you fix Stellantis?

Identify the most reliable engines and transmissions you have and standardize those engines, transmissions and parts across all your makes. If you don't have a decent engine and transmission to fit a need in the lineup then buy the rights to build one from another company like Mazda.

Build things like that Fiat roadster that was basically just a rebadged Miata with Italian styling. Stop having the Italians engineer things and just have them focus on styling.
Anonymous No.28547215
>>28544633

The Jeep brand and styling still sell even with lousy parts. If Stellantis tanked any half decent company that wanted a dedicated SUV brand (Honda) could buy Jeep up and make money with it.
Anonymous No.28547381
>>28544585 (OP)
All 16 manufacturers work together and achieve victory through the power of friendship.
Anonymous No.28547501 >>28548627
>>28547085
Check the date on the article. It was way before the merger. Truth is that Mercedes bought Chrysler some time. Chrysler has been a shitshow for decades.
Anonymous No.28547510 >>28547667 >>28555603
>>28545802
unironically best plan yet

>put v8 into everything
>yes, even a smol 2 seat economy car for the euro market
>win
business is so easy bros.
Anonymous No.28547512
Their former spic CEO advocated for stricter EU emission laws. That fag actually thought he could get the upper hand in Europe with EVs, totally ignoring the obvious reality of bugeaters flooding the market with 1000€ EVs. He got kicked out but the damage is done.
Anonymous No.28547524
>>28544585 (OP)
Make cars for men first, women second.
Build a new car using an existing model as a base to save money (but you're spending money no matter what, you greedy retards).
Then, mass produce it.
This is the single fastest way to see results at this point. Anything you release now needs to be a parts bin special because this is survival mode.

1. Make a Dodge Camry.
(we will be smart and offer a coupe version, unlike Toyota)
Rebadge as an Alfa Romeo Giulia as well.
Two main engines, two drivetrains:
Hurricane-4/Hurricane-6/Hurricane-6 (SRT)
RWD / AWD
Save both brands. Re-use parts.

How will this be successful? Well, the Camry and Corolla are still the top selling sedans, and this is just both of them, while also being cooler and faster (did I mention there's a coupe.)

This will be made using Hornet body panels (or the Tonale, whatever). The front end will be shaved down, and the fucking soccer moms you were selling them to were never there, so I'll just make a desirable sedan/coupe out of it. We are making these into a cheap commuter car AND competitive performance sedan. It will be highly adaptable and sporty, while lower trims will be exceedingly cheap grocery getters. Price: $27,000-$50,000

2. Make a compact 2-door convertible. 1100kg curb weight Miata competitor that men actually want to drive. Standard inline-4 engine from the Tonale/Hornet, (we recycle here) but because of its size, will be an absolute rocket and a budget Viper. 268hp and 295ft/lbs of torque in a RWD 2400lb car would be insanely sporty.

See what I did there? I put the less powerful engine in the faster car.

3. Stop making 50 different inline-4 and V6 engines for each brand. Volkswagen Group has ONE of each engine. Bentley, Audi, Volkswagen, SEAT, Skoda, etc. all share engines. Stop wasting money and time producing so many identical fucking powertrains when you're under the same parent company and can just share. No other auto manufacturer is this retarded about engine production.
Anonymous No.28547526 >>28547755
They went far too deep into EV nonsense. It's the only reason they are dying. You can tell exactly which companies invested more into EVs by looking at their latest financial reports. BMW invested the least and they reported the smallest decline in profit even with the ugliest designs of all time.
Anonymous No.28547534 >>28547752
>muh poor Chrysler, muh poor Dodge
Americans itt are retarded, Stellantis lost 10 billion in NA because they are producing in Mexico and Canada and got fucked by tarrifs.
Anonymous No.28547563
>>28545486
Exactly.
Anonymous No.28547667
>>28547510
Whats funny is if you read shit like autopian, the drive, and reddit, they all cry about how stupid it is to put a V8 in everything and not giving the people more of what they want (EVs and hybrids). Its a very odd thing going to automotive enthusiast websites and people demanding the death of cheap and fun cars.
Anonymous No.28547738 >>28547783 >>28548775
>>28544585 (OP)
Do they really need fucking Lancia and Maserati?
Anonymous No.28547749
>>28544585 (OP)
>giant corpo culture
I bet every manager has at least ten managers on top sitting through endless meetings about nothing. Fire all of this bullshit. Give control to few individuals who will manager the different brands. Just make sure they share parts and platforms to save on development cost. Make sure they hire talented designers that will develop distinctive styling for each brand. Print money. Simple as.
Anonymous No.28547752
>>28547534
Typical eurofaggot pretendending that it was tariffs and not all the euro brands being insolvent for decades as well as a European CEO canning the only thing that sold in America
Anonymous No.28547755 >>28547758
>>28547526
Toyota similarly got a massive profit even during tariffs because they didn't wasn't money on EVs. Basically everything EV related is operating at a massive loss, and it's because all the people who want an EV already have either a Tesla or a BYD
Anonymous No.28547758
>>28547755
>because they didn't wasn't money on EVs.
They did spend a lot of money on EVs, they also spent a lot of money on hydrogen. What they didn't do is dump $20Billion into a money furnace, they spent a billion improving hybrid systems, another billion adapting to EV, and probably $20B over 20 years on hydrogen. They're doing it slowly and methodical instead of setting it all on fire all at once expecting the market to adapt to them in anticipation governments will force the sale of their products.
Anonymous No.28547783 >>28547817
>>28547738
Lancia makes a single compact city car. It's a dead brand.
Anonymous No.28547817 >>28553429
>>28547783
If you're euro, can you expand on general consumer sentiments on each of the euro-specific brands? I didn't know lancia only made 1 car; chrysler only makes 1 car. How do shareholders and executives look over an entire brand seeing exactly 1 product for sale?
Anonymous No.28547824
>Hey let's go all in on EV lmao
>you went all in on EV?
>I went all in on EV... *dies*
can't say they don't deserve it. funny that BMW puts out the best numbers in Europe.
Anonymous No.28547840
>>28544585 (OP)
pick 1 great car from each brand
pick the most popular/best reputation brand
put all those cars under that 1 brand
kill everything else
Anonymous No.28548000 >>28548409 >>28548433 >>28548902 >>28548907
>>28544585 (OP)
>ban the French from any significant decision and make them stick to their 1L, three cylinder hatchbacks and cuckovers
>upgraded Giorgio platform for a next gen Giulia, Stelvio, Charger and Ghibli
>successor to the Maserati M156 platform for a new Quattroporte, SUVs and a new Challenger
>put a big V8 wherever it fits
>V6 where it doesn't
>halo cars for Dodge, Maserati and Alfa all sharing similar mechanics
>coupe Giulia rebadged as a Charger in the USA, Maserati Coupe as an upmarket version
>electrify Fiat and keep it all cheap
>petrol versions of Fiat sold as Lancia
>limited version, modified versions of said cars sold as Abarth
>Giorgio based AWD hatchbach sold as the new Delta Integrale
>Giorgio based Dodge UTE exclusive for the Australian market
>make Jeep build proper off roaders
>upmarket versions of Jeep sold as Chrysler
>no more RAM and DS bullshit
>Opel and Vauxhall sold to JLR to build more shitboxes
Anonymous No.28548008 >>28548010
>>28544585 (OP)
when did gm sell opel and vauxhaul?
Anonymous No.28548010
>>28548008
2017
Anonymous No.28548123 >>28548311
>>28544585 (OP)
>abarth
merge it with fiat but have them do tuning for lancia and alfa as well think gti
>alfa romeo
move it slightly upmarket compete directly with bmw-porsche give it an x5-5 series rival
>chrysler
give the brands operational control back to the chrysler family as advisors
or have them be ds basically their american division with unique styling
>citroen opel-vauxhall peugeot fiat
they are actually fine i suppose
but give fiat a variant of the 308-c4-astra
and either make vauxhall available in all rhd markets(aus-nz japan etc)or get rid of it entirely
>jeep
just call the grand cherokee the cherokee and grand cherokee l the grand cherokee
make the avenger avaliable in usa also just make the next wagoneers chryslers and focus on offroading
>lancia
have them bridge the gap between lower and higher end of the brands more luxurious than peugeot less so than ds
>dodge
focus on performance nothing else use jeeps-chryslers for crossovers
also merge them with ram
>maserati
MOVE THE BRAND UPMARKET ultra luxury maybach rolls competitor
Anonymous No.28548311 >>28548319
>>28548123
>>maserati
>MOVE THE BRAND UPMARKET
Easier said than done. It's much easier to compete with Audi and BMW than Bentley etc.
Anonymous No.28548319
>>28548311
problem inherently with stellantis imo
especially in the near-to full luxury market they have way too many brands barring grecale maserati have only a gt grancabrio and mc20 for example
Anonymous No.28548409
>>28548000
Actually a solid plan
Anonymous No.28548415
The fact that they aren't milking the Giorgio platform and pumping out muscle cars and econoboxes with it is sheer incompetence.

Zero reason the STLA Large should be taking priority when all these fucking companies are sports/muscle car brands. GO SMALLER.
Anonymous No.28548426 >>28548495
The problem is that the cars they make break down ALL THE FUCKIN TIME
At least this is my experience as a Europoor
>Citroen, peugeot
Electronic failures ALL THE TIME
DS is basically Citroen
>Fiat, aflra romeo
Engines grenade themselves
Some coworkers Fiat fuckin catapulted its engine(mounts failed I think)
Abarth is basically Fiat
>Jeep
Everything breaks on these
>Opel
Actually the only one I would say is not a POS automaker on this list
I see many Corsa's on the road, Astra's too
They are reliable I hear but I would not buy one
Anonymous No.28548430 >>28552064
>buy all the car manufacturers
>die, taking them all with you
Why do we let (((them))) do this with everything br/o/s
Anonymous No.28548433
>>28548000
I want so badly for a Dino 2400 type car at Dodge.
Why is no one trying to dethrone the Miata.
Anonymous No.28548434 >>28548506
>>28544633
Jeep used to be so fucking good, even the compass or renegade or whichever small capable recent model they had, why do they make so much rubbish? They should have kept doing what they do and they'd be capturing a niche instead of competing with all the other soccer mum v8 lowered suv shit
Anonymous No.28548495
>>28548426
Alfa engines are fine though? The V6 needs a belt job every 40k miles but if you do the maintenance on time it's reliable. Even the infamous C+D test was just electrical gremlins, which ended up being a bad run of relays and shit battery
Anonymous No.28548506
>>28548434
>instead of competing with all the other soccer mum v8 lowered suv shit
But that's where the money is.
Anonymous No.28548627 >>28548737
>>28547501
the article doesn't mean shit, so its completely irrelevant. Chrysler was more profitable than mercedes, so the only thing Mercedes bought, was themselves time by stealing Chrysler's success and cash.

read a book you retarded fucking zoomer.
Anonymous No.28548737 >>28548783 >>28548854
>>28548627
Chrysler was a dumpster fire for decades. You're deluded.

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/analysis/charts-and-analysis-big-car-market-share-1955-1984-did-quality-sink-chrysler-after-1957/
Anonymous No.28548775
>>28547738
>Do they really need fucking Lancia and Maserati?

They should sell the names off to some little company that wants to make limited run sports and luxury cars.

You wouldn't get a ton of money for either brand; but they'd still have value to someone. A company cranking out fun rally cars could get some attention if they had the Lancia name and Maserati likewise has brand recognition for anyone want to make a go with a luxury brand.
Anonymous No.28548783
>>28548737
The big 3 was always the big 2.5
Chrysler only had fleet sales supporting them for the longest time - it's why hollyweird was able to wreck so many Monaco squad cars for so long
Anonymous No.28548792
>>28544585 (OP)
There is a test of fitness for position I've devised to help turn stellantis around.
>you put an idling hellcat engine on a stand in a conference room (exhaust ported outside)
>starting with the ceo and working down, you have each employee enter the room
>everyone who looks at the engine with revulsion gets executed
>the first employee that doesn't is made ceo
>their mandate is to put that motor in everything. Ram 1500, Pacifica, that tiny hatchback lancia sells in Italy, fiat 500's, everything
Anonymous No.28548854 >>28549430
>>28548737
>retard doesn't know what "profits" are, and so moves onto market share, which tells you even less about a company's finances.
>the "market share" is of a single vehicle segment
>ignores all the money Chrysler made off the K car platforms

let Furies educate your dumbass on automotive history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRmzd1AB4kc
Anonymous No.28548902
>>28548000
The fuck
An actual non-meme business plan, on /o/?
Anonymous No.28548907
>>28548000
Keep Opel
Make them rebadged PSA with actual engines
Anonymous No.28549212 >>28549247
>>28544585 (OP)
>how do you fix Stellantis?
lynch every single people on the planet that sold, built or conceived this, their families, relatives and acquaintainces included.
Anonymous No.28549214
>>28544585 (OP)
fire all french """"engineers""""
Anonymous No.28549247
>>28549212
>three bulges
That's a V6, right?
Anonymous No.28549430 >>28549632
>>28548854
Did you not watch the video??? Even for such a flowery piece that ignores the losses of the mid-'90s, the first few minutes they explained how Chrysler had to get bailed out multiple times. Hell, that's even how the company was founded. kek

Also, posted annual net earnings being down over $1B in 1995, ousting Iacocca, Kerkorian's attempted takeover, market share falling as low as 15%, and Eaton selling out the company all point to how much of a hot mess the place was.
Anonymous No.28549490 >>28549494
>>28544585 (OP)
wait a fucking second, when did opel and vauxhall stop being gm and became chrysler?
Anonymous No.28549492 >>28550172 >>28552568
>>28544585 (OP)
Rebadge this guy to RAMpage (one word, like LaFerrari) and sell in the US
Anonymous No.28549494
>>28549490
GM sold General Motors Europe (Opel/Vauxhall) to the PSA Group in 2017.
PSA Group merged with Fiat Chrysler to form Stellantis in 2021
Anonymous No.28549632
>>28549430
Its a good thing Mercedes, who had even less market share in europe, made far fewer cars at much higher development cost, were there to help Chrysler by saddling them with debt they didn't have before the merger creating an even bigger mess than anything before. that sure showed us that Chrysler was worse off being independent.

if only they didn't need those bailouts several decades before the merger, mercedes wouldn't have to step in.
Anonymous No.28549638 >>28551049
>how do you fix Stellantis?
fire all EV tards. firing Tavares was a good start but not enough.
Anonymous No.28549945 >>28551119
RIP Alfa Romeo
Anonymous No.28550172
>>28549492
Not sure that'd be a great segment to jump into. I see it as a Mavrick, Santa Cruz, Ridgeline, and even Colorado competitor, but with a... Fiat. It doesn't really look like a dodge but they should be able to put a new front bumper on it.

With how good the competition is right now (sans colorado) jumping into the budget market with a known shitass quality brand, that'd be flushing money down the turlet.
Anonymous No.28550506
>>28544641
Auto industry is saved (partially)
Anonymous No.28550637
>>28544585 (OP)
So RAM actually separated?
Anonymous No.28551049
>>28549638
>fire all EV tards
>one zog fovernment bans gas cars
shieeeeet
Anonymous No.28551119
>>28549945
It's for the better. They'll go out on a high note, instead of getting dragged into a Jaguar-tier humiliation ritual.
Anonymous No.28551332
>>28544585 (OP)
End the Chrylser and Dodge brands permanently and sell off all assets. Should have happened 45 years ago. The Jeep curse continues: all companies that buy the brand start to fail.
Anonymous No.28551344
>>28544585 (OP)
More LGBT-inclusive marketing. The audience of old and increasingly frail white males this group of automobile brands appeals to is just not numerous or lucrative anymore and we need to get with the times.
Anonymous No.28551718 >>28551725 >>28551995 >>28554344
>>28544585 (OP)

Make Chrysler a luxury brand aimed at basketball Americans. Chromed out low riders with adjustable air suspension standard.
Anonymous No.28551725
>>28551718
Wagoneer should have been the Chrysler Aspen, and the grand Cherokee L should have been the wagoneer
Anonymous No.28551995
>>28551718

I wouldn't mind seeing some retro chrome. Maybe a luxury stretch Charger. More RWD V8s is always a good thing.

>with adjustable air suspension standard.

I wish more cars did this. We have the technology.
Anonymous No.28552064 >>28553435
>>28548430
>>let
The average car owner has no say over these companies making the most retarded decisions ever made, much less the average /o/tist in their shitbox.
Anonymous No.28552546 >>28552578 >>28555646
>>28544585 (OP)
>Abarth
Gay and always will be
>Alfa
Reliability but the Giulia is based
>Jeep
Kill the Wagoneer, Compass, and Cherokee. Fold the Renegade under Fiat and rename it the Panda. Italian lesbians will still drive it. Bring back the XJ as a smaller Grand Cherokee with 4WD. Yank all the extra bullshit they’ve thrown into Wranglers out and go back to basics. The only way to rehab their image from the heep mall crawler queens with ducks on the dash is to remove automatic transmissions entirely from the lineup.
>Dodge
Reliability and stop financing niggers. Seriously there is no blacker car than a charger. The only way to get them to stop buying them is to market them towards gays. Yeah they’ll get made fun of for like six months but no more nog mobiles.
>Chrysler
Upscale a Durango and a Charger
>Maserati
Honestly they’re doing the best out of all the car manufacturers.
>Citroen
Don’t exist here
>Opel
Don’t exist here
>Peugeot
Burn it to the ground and piss on the ashes
>Ram
Reliability but they’re probably the best money maker and rep of all of them
>DS
Literally fucking who?
>FIAT
Make their small gay cars and never let them leave Italy.
>Vauxhall
Nerd shit
>LEASYS
GAY
>Free2Move
Gay and communist
Anonymous No.28552558 >>28552665
>>28546212
>80k jeeps
Honestly I feel like the smart financial play (and to rehab their image) is to go the opposite way
>No automatic transmissions
>Diesel engines
>Make the upgrades and add ons proprietary
>Sell them at a 25k price point
I sincerely can’t imagine buying a Jeep these days when a Grenadier is 10k cheaper.
Anonymous No.28552568 >>28555120
>>28549492
Americans will never buy a FIAT truck. That said there is a niche for light duty trucks they haven’t filled. RAMpage is a great idea but they just need to make a smaller truck not import Italian shit that’s already been run out of the market multiple times.
Anonymous No.28552578 >>28552581 >>28552591
>>28552546
>Jeep
This post made me laugh, because my coworker’s wife demanded they buy a Jeep Compass and not a Citroen C5, despite her husband showing her that both are the same car. She refused to drive a “poor person” car
Renegade buyers prolly wouldnt buy the Panda either
Anonymous No.28552581 >>28552585
>>28552578
Yikes. Hope your coworker won't cave in to such a retarded whim.
Anonymous No.28552585 >>28552586
>>28552581
He already did, this was a while ago
Anonymous No.28552586
>>28552585
Those faggots should be put down at their families' expense. What a sad excuse for a man.
Anonymous No.28552591 >>28552624
>>28552578
On the contrary the Renegade buyers are always women and metrosexual or openly gay dudes. Yurofying them would increase sales in places like Seattle and the Bay Area because “yurope” fancy and illicits recall to her trip to Rome where she got pickpocketed by a gypsy and culturally enriched by a nigger at the Coliseum.
Anonymous No.28552624
>>28552591
Mutt's law.
Anonymous No.28552665 >>28552706
>>28552558
I actually saw a Grenadier in the grocery store parking lot. It was striking because I thought it was a restomod classic range rover or land cruiser or something. Nobody is cross shopping a Grenadier and a lifted Jeep with everything personalized.
Anonymous No.28552706 >>28552776
>>28552665
They’re still new but the mods are pretty solidly out there already because it pretty much is just a classic unpozzed rover and most of the upgrades available for classic rovers can go directly into the Grenadier. I have a few clients that own them and they’re all former Jeep owners tired of the reliability issues, price gouging, and soccer mom vibe they’ve been putting out. One of them has upgraded his shit with all the overlanding mods (to his credit he actually does a fuck load of off roading and long term camping) and it looks absolutely sick. Grenadiers the new off roaders suv.
Anonymous No.28552722
>>28544835
You’re a faggot who likes hot cum in his intestines
Anonymous No.28552740
>>28544585 (OP)
Mercy kill it.
Anonymous No.28552776 >>28552811 >>28552933
>>28552706
>all former Jeep owners tired of the reliability issues, price gouging, and soccer mom vibe they’ve been putting out.
Jeep owners buy it for the vibe and the look. They generally don't spend $80-100k on customizing their jeep to get scratches on it. The Bronco really took off because it too has that retro off roader look.
The Grenadier may be a better off roader, that doesn't move units for people wanting a flashy vehicle to accessorize. Its also not appealing to many people who do want to go off roading because they're not shopping for an $80,000 truck to do it in. They'd rather buy a clapped out jeep for $10k.
I can even prove that with range rovers, lexus land cruisers (whatever the alpha-numeric is), and every other super expensive vehicle very off-road capable. They're just too expensive to repair so they become status symbols at Costco.
Anonymous No.28552811 >>28552814
>>28552776
Yeah the soccer mom shit moves more units but those units decline the higher the price point goes. The number of people that will spend 70+k on an SUV is limited and most prefer the creature comforts. Most of the fancy jeeps are “Im outdoorsy” cope and yeah a Toyota 4Runner, rebuilt base wrangler, or an F150 are going to get the most “offroad” time but that’s a different client base. I’m telling you there absolutely is a migration for the gucci off-roaders away from Jeep because normies that don’t offroad can’t tell the difference between the 35 and 70 and they’re more customizable and just different than those same Lexus brands. As the market saturates and the used models go up for sale I think there’s going to be a pretty cultish following that will develop among people that cringe at the mall crawlers.
Anonymous No.28552814
>>28552811
>gucci off-roaders away from Jeep
No I believe you because its middle class white women that buy them multiple times, and upper middle class white guys that buy them exactly once. Its the lifestyle tards that get a little more income and upscale to something nicer and less crappy than a jeep. I'm not disputing that. But every year theres another crop of middle class white women and yuppie guys who want to appear to be off-road enthusiasts.
Anonymous No.28552933 >>28552944
>>28552776
>lexus land cruisers
>too expensive to repair
Retard
Anonymous No.28552941 >>28553050
>>28544593
so it goes bankrupt again and finally dies
Anonymous No.28552944 >>28553016 >>28553034
>>28552933
How much do you think it'd cost to repair all the body panels and paint them down the side that tree crumpled a bunch of the body?
How about when you have horrible shitass mud on your comfy seats and carpeted floor?
Any idea how much repairs might be if you tip the thing over?
How about just some trail pinstriping? You think people paying $80-120k for their Lexus enjoy off-road scars?
Yeah didn't think so.
Anonymous No.28553016 >>28553052
>>28552944
Since you asked about body work, I have own experience to share. I asked my local Lexus dealer to do some body repairs (mostly paint damage and early stages of rust, four or five panels) and the result was surprisingly good and way less expensive than I imagined, on par with independents in the area (not in the US) or maybe even better. And I have pearl white paint or something like that with sparkles, people say it's hard to match.
Anonymous No.28553034 >>28553052
>>28552944
Adding to the previous post, you have to do your homework. Some body parts are more expensive, some have regular prices. For me the most expensive in a Lexus were panoramic roof, so I bought one with regular sunroof instead, and LED headlights - those I like so I have to cope with their hefty price in case they fail irreparably or get damaged. Otherwise it's a Toyota and if you buy a popular one it won't be that expensive to find parts or make repairs. Counterfeit consumables are a bigger problem.
Anonymous No.28553050 >>28554421
>>28552941
so long as it stays away from european manufacturers, it'll be fine.
Anonymous No.28553052 >>28553054
>>28553016
>>28553034
Okay. $10k used lifted jeep versus $80k new Lexus. Which do you care about the body more on? Which are you more willing to put a dent in or tree limb scratch on?
Anonymous No.28553054 >>28553062
>>28553052
What are you trying to do, get called retarded again?
Anonymous No.28553062 >>28553077
>>28553054
Call me retarded all you want, you still haven't even come close to calling me wrong.
Anonymous No.28553077
>>28553062
You know you can just reverse it? Like buying a clapped out 'Yota or Lexus vs new or at least decent condition Wrangler, especially in a place where Wrangler tax exists (in other words, most places outside of North America).
Points like that doesn't prove marque A is "too expensive to repair" compared to marque B, only that if the car is clapped out you don't care much about additional damage.
Anonymous No.28553413
>>28544585 (OP)
>spin off Vauxhall, Opel, Peugeot into their own marque
>spin off Citroen, Lancia, Maserati into their own marque
>spin off Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge into their own marque
>spin off Fiat, Abarth, Alfa into their own marque
>kill everything else remaining under the Stallantis name, including Stellantis itself
Anonymous No.28553429
>>28547817
Lancias are only sold in Italy. they're basically treated like a specialist brand.
Anonymous No.28553435
>>28552064
megamergers happen because one (or both) companies are losing serious money and hope to cannibalise the other to stay afloat. in this case, it was PSA desperately needing an influx of cash.
Anonymous No.28553459
>>28544585 (OP)


>a bunch of shitty second string companies
>they conglomerate to make one giant shit
what was anyone expecting anyways
Anonymous No.28554344 >>28554484
>>28551718
Chrysler died as soon as they stopped making nogmobiles that were cheaper than Cadillacs.
Anonymous No.28554421 >>28558250
>>28553050
>be on the brink of bankruptcy
>drag down Mercedes for a couple years
>Mercedes goes off like a rocket immediately afterwards while you're stuck in some American-Italo-French shitpile, still go bankrupt
lmfao
Anonymous No.28554484
>>28554344
>nogmobiles that were cheaper than Cadillacs.

Cheap bling is a winning strategy for the brand. If they made RWD V8 with wannabe Rolls Royce or Bentley styling it would sell. It might even sell to people other than nogs.
Anonymous No.28554518 >>28554649
>>28546212
You’re retarded. Alfa fixed their quality issues and their interiors are good. They’re excellent cars for the price (except that gay new SUV), but they depreciate heavily and they need marketing to brainwash people into forgetting their past quality issues. If they kept up the plan of just making great cars at competitive prices eventually they would naturally fix their image issues and word of mouth would take care of the marketing for them, but financially Stellantis couldn’t afford that so they’re going to go to shit again.
Dealership experience also needs to be improved (just use the chik fil a model and only hire white men for the mechanics and cute white girls for the front of office stuff).
Anonymous No.28554649
>>28554518
>You’re retarded. Alfa fixed their quality issues
Only after pulling out of the US. Great business model. But I'm the tard, huh.
>but they depreciate heavily and need marketing to brainwash people
so it worked on you?

What was the point of your entire post?
Anonymous No.28554675 >>28554686 >>28554697
>>28544685
Renault was probably in the worst shape among any independents in 2020. Their EV turnaround is nothing short of great.
Anonymous No.28554679
>>28544842
Maserati/DS/Alfa Romeo would be a company that sells like 100k cars a year, entirely nonviable.

Opel is 100% rebadged Peugeot/Citroen for people wanting a German car at this point.

You forgot Jeep.
Anonymous No.28554686 >>28554697
>>28554675
what % of their sales are BEV?
Anonymous No.28554697
>>28554675
>>28554686
I found it, a whopping 9%.
Anonymous No.28554706 >>28554844
Renault is doing well becaue they sell cheap shitboxes in an economically declining market. Most EU wagies simply can't afford more than a Dacia in 2025.
Anonymous No.28554728 >>28554730
>>28544585 (OP)
Burn everything down except Abarth
Anonymous No.28554730
>>28554728
yeah those burn down on their own
Anonymous No.28554735 >>28555177
>>28544585 (OP)
I don't. Selling the assets is the path to the smallest overall loss IMO. Jeep is worth a bundle on its own, chinks would love Maserati. A few of those might stand on their own (enough autists here want to chip in and buy Lancia, a lá Mooney airplanes?)
Anonymous No.28554817 >>28554834
>>28544585 (OP)
Fiat needs to take their ball and go home. The Frogs are incompetent and have provided nothing of value. Marchionne had FCA in a good place and projections for the future were still good even during Covid. The European market is impossible for Chrysler to break into and it's a waste of time and money.

They need to consolidate and refine their product lines. RAM and Jeep are fine, but they need to cut the fat across the board. They need to retool the Daytona and with a new Hemi and actually fucking follow through with the STLA plan. They should have a coupe, a sedan, and an SUV that are badge engineered across all brands selectively.

Dodge needs a Challenger, a Charger, and the Durango.

Jeep needs to leave the Wrangler and Gladiator alone. The Cherokee needs to be rolled into the Grand Cherokee, made as the "base" version with the "Grand" Cherokee being the more luxurious, three row models. They all need to be Durango based with a bigger emphasis on 4x4 capability over the Dodge's more street based performance. The Wagoneer needs to become a more base model with a lower price and a focus on 4x4 performance while the Grand Wagoneer can be the halo luxury vehicle.

Chrysler needs to revive the 300 as an actual luxury car and develop they should invest in the ultimate crossover and transform the Pacifica into a Durango with sliding doors. Furthermore, they should bring back an old name like the Crossfire and build a luxury sports car based on the Challenger.

Alfa should continue the Giulia and Stelvio based off the STLA platforms, Maserati should fucking die, and Fiat can keep making their gay little 500s for yuros and just stop trying to push them in the US.
Anonymous No.28554827
>>28544943
Citroen means Lemon in english btw
Anonymous No.28554834 >>28555041
>>28554817
nobody with a brain will build cars exclusively for the US market especially when they don't even fill a niche in that market, sorry to burst that bubble.
Anonymous No.28554844
>>28554706
Renault is eternal mate. More like a cockroach than a great temple but still.
Anonymous No.28555041 >>28555118
>>28554834
>nobody with a brain will build cars exclusively for the US market
You're an idiot and don't know shit. RAM sold 439k trucks in 2024. Jeep sold 588k. Those are essentially USA only vehicles.

Only the USA matters, kiddo.
Anonymous No.28555114
>>28546082
Abarth is not as much a brand as it is just spicy Fiat moniker, kinda like AMG for Mercedes, so it can't exist without Fiat.
Anonymous No.28555118 >>28555128
>>28555041
>dumbest consoomers with the easiest credit
It's the best market for sure.
Anonymous No.28555120
>>28552568
>Americans will never buy a FIAT truck
they bought a fiat jeep
Anonymous No.28555128 >>28555346
>>28555118
>eurocuck seethe
lol
Anonymous No.28555177
>>28554735
>chinks would love Maserati.

I hate to say it; but you're right. The Chinks would love to rebadge their shit in Italian suits. They'd probably want Alfa Romeo too, which would be a shame.
Anonymous No.28555346 >>28555399
>>28555128
Hispanic? y/n
Anonymous No.28555399
>>28555346
N
Anonymous No.28555436 >>28555490
>>28544585 (OP)
>Dodge
The brand image needs to be cars for the common man with a focus on high performance-per-dollar. Every model needs an SRT top trim. Kill the Hornet and bring back the Dart as an economy offering and make the SRT version a hot hatch. Offer a 4-door sedan and 2-door coupe (NOT on the same model like the current Charger) with V6s/V8s. Keep the Durango as-is.
>Jeep
Need to lean more into being offroad vehicles instead of pavement queens. Every model needs a Trailhawk top trim with 4X4 drivetrain and should be able to actually offroad and climb rocks/obstacles. Wrangler and Gladiator are fine as-is, bring back the Renegade, keep the Cherokee/Compass (minus "grand"), punt the Wagoneer into Chrysler. Massively slash the prices across the board and the lowest trim option should be stripped of all stupid electronics. Keep the "Limited" trim for the soccer moms who will never drive on anything resembling dirt so this customer segment isn't lost.
>Chrysler
Retool this as a competitor pseudo-luxury brand to compete with Cadillac, but with more focus on performance. Move the Wagoneer here, keep the Pacifica. Make a new 300-equivalent 4-door sedan GT car with a V8 (based on the Giulia?) and make a new Crossfire-esque 2-door convertible coupe with the Hurricane engine. You can probably pitch an obligatory EV model targeted at latte-sipping Californians here somewhere.
>Ram
Other than not overpricing it, Ram is fine as-is with the hemi's coming back, but IDGAF about pickup drivers anyways.
Anonymous No.28555463
>>28544585 (OP)
>As a company
Roll back on Electrification. It's going to be something people will want but it's not 'the future' and it's a dogshit bullet in the eyes of anything sporty or luxurious or rugged. Good for economy cars only.
>FIAT and Abarth
Fix the reliability issues. Make a petrol 500 again.
>Alfa
Move to a market segment around BMW's area. Make fun sporty cars and not bloated SUVs for ginzo soccer moms. Fix the legendary reliability issues.
>Chrysler
Make the 300 again. In fact, make literally any goddamn car that isn't a fucking minivan. Put out the Airflow concept but make it not electric only. Make a giga nigger SUV equivalent to the Escalade. Position to the brand fully to luxury at a price point a bit below Cadillac and Lincoln, but not so much below that it seems cheap. Fix the reliability issues.
>Citroen
Fix the styling, undo the electrification. Make another 2CV. Fix the reliability issues.
>Dodge
Merge RAM back into it. Put a hemi anywhere it'll fit. Make the Charger/Challenger again. Make a light amusing truck like the Ford Ranger and call it either the Rough Rider or the RAMpage. Fix the reliability issues.
>DS
Actually style the fucking cars like a luxury brand should be, or kill it. If it has to live, fix the reliability issues.
>Jeep
Quit fucking around or the Ford Bronco will take all of your customers. Fix the reliability issues.
>Lancia
Kill it. If it has to live, make more than one car and fix the reliability issues.
>Maserati
Move to a market segment around AMG. Make fun sporty cars and not bloated SUVs for ginzo soccer moms. Fix the reliability issues.
>Opel
Kill it.
>Peugeot
Kill it or merge it with Citroen
>Vauxhall
zzzzzzzzzz this marque is fucking boring. Just rebadge citroens and call it a day. After fixing the reliability issues.

Seeing a pattern?
Anonymous No.28555490 >>28557734
>>28555436
Dumbass: the post.
Dodge being an economy brand is dumb. Economy brands only do well when they start cheap, remain cheap, and have high durability (not high quality) cars.
>lean into niche
Going harder into off roaders when your entire consumer segment is a peacock-lifestyle brand, you'd be a moron to target a niche within a niche.
pseudo luxury has never worked for anyone. Chrysler attracted broke people who are broke that pretend to have moderate income. Where did that get them? The usual suspects in Chrysler 200s, 300s, and V6 dodges.
Anonymous No.28555603 >>28555666
>>28547510
God, a 1 liter V8 would be funny
Anonymous No.28555646
>>28552546
Fucking hell I don't know why I laughed so hard at some of those
Thanks anon
Anonymous No.28555666
>>28555603
How about a 500cc one?
Anonymous No.28555715
>>28544977
I saw that dumb movie too. The Australian girl was cute though
Anonymous No.28557734 >>28558583 >>28558615
>>28555490
>Dodge being an economy brand is dumb
Dodge being a premium brand is dumb. Their best selling cars were a Charger with a V6 and a shitbox minivan. They literally could've done the same thing again and printed money, but Tavares was an Elon bootlicker. Actually, they could salvage he brand right now if they released a cheap version of the Charger with a simple fucking gas engine and cloth seats.
Anonymous No.28558250
>>28554421
>>be on the brink of bankruptcy
you mean mercedes in the 90s who were making less money selling less cars and had less margins?
>drag down Mercedes for a couple years
mercedes were already as low as they could go.
>Mercedes goes off like a rocket
stealing the money of a more successful company will tend to help you do that.

Chrysler would be better off independent.
Anonymous No.28558343 >>28561076
>>28544585 (OP)
They could start by making their engines reliable again

Also why does my 33 y/o jeep have better emissions than a new vehicle, sure it can barely to 65 on the highway, but I always get compliments on how healthy the engine is when I take it to DEQ.
Anonymous No.28558583 >>28558615
>>28557734

Making a decent V6 would be great for them; but sadly we live in the days of turbocharged 3cylinder grenades.
Anonymous No.28558615 >>28561038 >>28561068
>>28557734
>Dodge being a premium brand is dumb.
I never suggested anything of the sort. Turns out there are more markets than "cheap shitbox" and "premium".
Those best selling cars of a charger and v6 minivan were obvious; posers wanting a cheap "muscle car" and families wanting a cheap (but good" minivan. Plus a lot of businesses buy minivans. Those, my brother in christ, are economy cars. They're also 20+ year old platforms, meaning they're mostly profit despite being cheap shitboxes.
>>28558583
Except they're not putting turbo 3's in anything. They're still using 4 and 6 cylinders which are proven to be just fine. Every year people like you try pointing out how the sky is falling and turbocharged 3 cylinders moving 4000lb SUVs is monumentally stupid and are ticking time bombs because they're super strung out high stress 4000psi engines on the verge of death leaving the factory. Because we should ignore the billions of miles they do reliably every year.
Anonymous No.28561038 >>28561316
>>28558615
>I never suggested anything of the sort
That's exactly what you did.
That's exactly what they are becoming.
That's exactly why they aren't selling.
Anonymous No.28561068 >>28561317
>>28558615

Cars have been getting less reliable over the past decade anon. That's a know fact
Anonymous No.28561076 >>28561322
>>28558343
>needing to emissions test your car
Just cuck state things
Anonymous No.28561083
>>28544585 (OP)
Just make the cars more reliable and use better parts. All of these cars are such pieces of shit it’s crazy
Anonymous No.28561316 >>28562146
>>28561038
I said dodge becoming premium would be dumb. You took that as "dodge should sell economy cars only". I still didn't suggest that or even allude to it. I'm sorry you have a learning disability.

If I say I like hamburgers, it doesn't mean I hate hot dogs.
Anonymous No.28561317 >>28562395
>>28561068
>Cars have been getting less reliable over the past decade anon. That's a know fact
I don't disagree with you, but has it specifically been because of the smaller engines?
Anonymous No.28561322
>>28561076
My car is just barely makes Euro 5 emissions. which is pretty good considering all the emissions stuff is in the bin.
Anonymous No.28561374
>>28544585 (OP)
They'll sell the company to China.
Anonymous No.28562146 >>28562306
>>28561316
I took it as you bluntly put it. Your made a dumb logical leap and blamed me for throwing it back at you. Dodge being an economy brand is consistently the most successful route they have taken historically. There's nothing 'dumb' about it and you honestly have to be retarded to die on this hill. In no way does selling economy cars first disqualify them from offering luxury cars and high end sportscars either. The Caliber and Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR-X were on sale at the same time. Stop beating up these unnecessary strawmen and getting pissy when you get them back.

Clearly Dodge isn't profitable doing things the way you are saying though. Nobody will be surprised when they go up in flames selling $45,000 """""entry"""" vehicles to Americans and Europeans.
Anonymous No.28562306
>>28562146
>Your made a dumb logical leap
I didn't. You did. I stated my point bluntly, and you took it to some random hyperbole. You were wrong to throw it back at me.
Anonymous No.28562312
>>28544585 (OP)
>investing in Italy
wow how could that go wrong
Anonymous No.28562395 >>28562442
>>28561317
>but has it specifically been because of the smaller engines?

I think its part of the equation. They've also got a bunch of tech bullshit no one needs, emissions controls, the engines are complicated with supposed fuel saving features like start stop systems and an over abundance of plastic parts.

Small engines aren't unreliable; but when you turbocharge the hell out of them to try and make them power an SUV or a pickupt then they tear themselves apart getting revved up to 8000 rpm all the time.
Anonymous No.28562442
>>28562395
Thats what I was getting at: The engines themselves are usually fine. When a car is listed as unreliable, its often because of several "body" control modules, canbus modules, bullshit assembly quality, or owner neglect. Its quite rarely a melted turbo, exploded cylider, or improvised inspection window in the block.
Anonymous No.28563602
>>28544585 (OP)
This abomination is like the CDOs that caused the 2008 crash. All the junk brands that don't sell just got together to give each other shitty rebrands and share their shitty engines.
>how do you fix Stellantis?
With fire. To kill it.
Anonymous No.28564234
>>28544585 (OP)
That's the best part, you don't.

Fuck the french.
Anonymous No.28564982
>>28544585 (OP)
I've seen one of their newer Citroen EVs is entirely built in France, including the battery pack.
Pretty based I would say.
Plus citroen has the best (least worst) looking cars.
Anonymous No.28565014
>>28544585 (OP)
Sell the French brands to China and let the American and Italian brands go back to cocaine and platform development
Anonymous No.28565261
>>28544585 (OP)
Sell off 90% of those trash ass names that nobody cares about. Fewer things, but up the quality. Make Chrysler the "everyman" brand, shift Dodge to the performance division, and RAM can still focus on trucks. Do something weird, fuck it, make a station wagon on the Charger platform. There is a distinct lack of uniqueness in cars now that everything is a gay blob crossover.
Anonymous No.28565265
>>28544634
It doesn’t make any sense. Both brands sell ICE, mild hybrid, PHEV and EVs. At least make one an EV only brand and keep the other ICE/mild hybrid. I really don’t see the point of having two brands (three of you include Opel) if you sell the same shit anyway across the different brands. Isn’t the whole point of different brands to target different market segments?